Sunday, April 01, 2012

All Christians should support gay marriage

David Cameron was right. His Grace recants, again. The Prime Minister said a few months ago: “I don’t support gay marriage despite being a Conservative. I support gay marriage because I am a Conservative.” And Tim Montgomerie , the moderate and representative voice of the Conservative grassroots, took to his pulpit and exhorted the faithful (Tories and church leaders) to support gay marriage because it would save the institution, not destroy it. "Marriage is probably the most important Conservative institution and excluding people from it is therefore excluding people from Conservativism (sic) to a significant extent," he said. And Douglas Murray , the doyen of politico-ethical philosophers, opined: “But true conservatives should welcome gay marriage. For its increasing acceptance across civilised countries represents not the making gay of marriage but the making conservative of gays.”

Inspired and persuaded by these unarguable political, theological and philosophical insights, and cognisant that endless books about gay penguins are sitting on library shelves, and that PSHE lessons about children with two dads have usurped RE in the school curriculum, His Grace has changed his mind on the issue of same-sex marriage.

Frankly, any church which permits contraception, and so the detachment of conjugality from procreation, must logically acknowledge the validity of same-sex marriage. Two men or two women are not in a pretend family relationship: their love is as deep and sincere as that of any man and woman. God is love. And gay marriage is love. So God is in gay marriage.

In coming out for gay marriage and equality, His Grace does not wish to offend his many orthodox traditionalist communicants, but it is important for the Church to be on the right side of history. It really should not matter whether commitment is between a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, or a man and another man. All commitment is good. And God is good. So God likes commitment.

Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us; that society is stronger when we make vows to each other and support each other. Christians believe in faith, hope and love; that society is stronger when we walk in faith, express hope, and live a life of love. So, His Grace doesn’t support gay marriage despite being a Christian and a Conservative. He supports gay marriage because he is a Christian and a Conservative.

He apologises for his past error and indecision: it has been a chronic failing of His. But he usually gets there in the end.

PS
The Twitter hashtag: #Gays4Cranmer

83 Comments:

Blogger Mark said...

Yes, I do notice it's April 1st.

1 April 2012 at 00:17  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

Does it count if it was written before it became the 1st?

1 April 2012 at 00:46  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

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1 April 2012 at 01:09  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Gay Butterfly said...

This is a time for accepting oneself as one is, as one was made, be it DNA or upbringing. I am who I am to become.

It is a time to throw off the shackles of instilled convention and indoctrination.

I hereby declare I am gay and have been most of my days. I hope tocontinue in this state from this day forward. There are times when my gay inclination cannot be expressed; even times when it seems to have left me.

But no, I am gay and I am a butterfly!

1 April 2012 at 01:25  
Blogger non mouse said...

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1 April 2012 at 01:47  
Blogger non mouse said...

Nifty, Your Grace. Setting that at 12:01 Precisely.
Faustus thou art not!

1 April 2012 at 01:49  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Archbishop Cranmer

Ultimately it just wasn't believable. It could only have been an April Fool's joke. Indeed, you left visible clues in the post itself. Now, if you had written a post saying you had been received into RCIA, that wouldn't have been believable either. But Dodo would have bought it, and that would have been really funny.

carl

1 April 2012 at 01:51  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Gay Butterfly said...

carl
Our host 'crossed the tiber' last year. After that the RCIA would be a disappointment.

That said, I might have fallen for it. I believe he is inclined towards Catholic Anglicanism. He's just cautious about the politico-religious implcations in terms of temporal matters and has one or two reservations about the position of the Papacy. Easily cleared up when he's ready to return home.

1 April 2012 at 02:18  
Blogger raggedclown said...

It may be an April Fool joke, but it is unintentionally revealing of the advanced degree of sophistry in the self-styled His Grace's arguments. How well he is able to argue out of both sides of his mouth! That he would choose such an emotive subject as a theme for levity also reveals his essential intellectual vacuity and moral shallowness.

Nevertheless, though he undoubtedly meant to flaunt his public-school-acquired ability to make what he thinks of as the weaker argument triumph, purely for his own amusement, the joke is ultimately on him, for he has in fact not only exposed his own sophistical turn of mind, but inadvertently revealed which side of the debate is truly reliant on sophistical arguments. For 'tis the sport, etc.

1 April 2012 at 03:36  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

raggedclown

That was well done. You gave a very natural voice to the affectation of sophistry. If it wasn't April 1st, I might have thought you were serious. But, alas, you gave yourself away as well. No one could possibly presume to accuse another of sophistry with such an obvious display of that self-same vice. Could he?

carl

1 April 2012 at 03:56  
Blogger W de Villiers said...

How cruel, how very cruel

1 April 2012 at 06:45  
Blogger David B said...

Delighted to hear of this change of mind, which I have reported back to my small section of the Godless internet

http://www.secularcafe.org/showthread.php?p=350410#post350410

David B

1 April 2012 at 07:35  
Blogger len said...

Well that does it!.

Where`s my swimming trunks!

1 April 2012 at 08:08  
Blogger The Judicious Hooker said...

YG, you don't go far enough! If it's unjust to deny same-sex couples their rights to matrimony, then what about the miserable others who are cruelly disqualified by law from joining (or re-joining) the conjugal club: children and those closely related and those already married.

The homosexual bar is only the tip of the discriminatory iceberg and none of us should rest until anyone can marry anyone else as often as they desire. Then equality and justice for all will be assured in the best possible of perfect worlds.

The law should not stand in the way of ever-widening circles of matrimonial bliss. Genetic defects, lack of capacity in the under-aged or the perils of polygamy are mere trifles compared with the pursuit of matrimonial equality for all.

After all, as the source of truth for our times - the Romcom genre - teaches us, those wedding bells are the answer to all our problems.

1 April 2012 at 08:59  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Gay Butterfly said...

len

Dear man, swim across naked. The Church will provide a towel and a warm cup of tea on arrival.

1 April 2012 at 09:39  
Blogger CV4UK said...

Good one, we all know God, Jesus and true Christians hate gay people and both the old and new testament calls for their death. Lev 20:13 Rom 1:31-3. Not being allowed to murder them is yet another attack on a long standing Christian Tradition.

1 April 2012 at 09:43  
Blogger Nowhere man said...

Thanks 'bish, you have articulated a reality of the introduction of gay marriage that I had wanted to argue myself.

If marriage is not for procreation and the raising of children then what is it for?

Oh, its for "committed relationships".

Well, it would be gross to insist that those relationships have to be of a penetrative nature so it naturally follows that marriage is therefore for any relationship - siblings, parent child, multiple "spouses", animal/human. This list could be endless.

Maybe that is as it should be now.

1 April 2012 at 10:00  
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1 April 2012 at 10:00  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Archbishop, it’s like Chinese water torture, this gay marriage malarkey. The bastards want to lick us into submission...

What’s all this rot about gay conservatives ? Yes, they do exist but they are as rare as good looking lesbians. All the recent crowd are either Lib-Dem (...they like the ‘liberal’ bit, don’t you know...) or raving Labour.

Stand firm old man. Backs to wall, that kind of thing. No lessening of resolve in the final hours, not when they are ready to go down before us. (...must rephrase that sometime...). It’s domination you see. Gays, especially the men, absolutely love it. They DON’T want to win, just be dominated by masculine types, proper men. And they are prepared to roll over for us, at our command (...{AHEM] rather temptingly, don’t you think ?...).

All for what is right and proper you know. Jesus is on our side too, what !

Onwards and upwards....

1 April 2012 at 10:34  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo, reports coming in of a man seen swimming in English channel followed by 7 cats. Bloody good riddance Len....

1 April 2012 at 10:50  
Blogger len said...

Not lost your sense of humour yet Inspector?.Well being a Catholic you will certainly need one!

Love you too!. ha ha .

1 April 2012 at 11:08  
Blogger len said...

Insp, They tell me the water in the Tiber is very cold ..heartlessly so.... chills the very soul and sucks the Life out of one .

Not affected you that way though?.

1 April 2012 at 11:10  
Blogger David Roseberry said...

Nice to see that the ad generated by the post was for wedding rings at a jewelry store. How wonderful to have algorithms agree with His Grace.

1 April 2012 at 11:38  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

I'm swimming with len.He needs protection from those fiends awaiting him with poisoned wine and wafers on the other side.

1 April 2012 at 11:46  
Blogger Flossie said...

Ah, but the Romans are at it too. Or is it the gays? Can't decide.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/01/cardinal-church-will-relax-its-approach-to-civil-marriages-for-gay-couples/

1 April 2012 at 12:21  
Blogger len said...

Cressida, thanks for your help!.

Its nice to find some pleasant company rather than the 'old grouch' the inspector and' the Duck' which paddles in circles around him him much like the albatross in the' ancient mariner'.

Bless you.

1 April 2012 at 12:53  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Cressida. Welcome to Len’s world. heh heh

1 April 2012 at 12:56  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Len is well mannered and a gentleman. Someone I suggest you learn to emulate Inspector.

1 April 2012 at 13:05  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Cressida. Rather sparky today aren’t you ! Len will be busy knocking you up your own sandwich board now. It will soon be “The End of My Tether is Nigh !”...

1 April 2012 at 13:14  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

You need to be muzzled and tethered . My tether is not your concern.You need to do penance for you rudeness and uncharitable behaviour to some of the communicants here who do not possess your rhinoceros hide.

I would like to remind you that this is an Anglican blog and you are here as a guest of HG. It would be appreciated if you would stop throwing dinner plates at the wall.

1 April 2012 at 13:35  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Ah, Cressida, you feisty thing. You are testing the water and looking for a man you can respect and melt in the presence of. Some determined type to put you in your place. Too many emasculated sorts about these days, but you’ve found the Inspector. Good girl !

1 April 2012 at 13:41  
Blogger Oswin said...

Ooh, you are a one, Your Grace, you had me going for awhile there; I briefly wondered if 'Call me Dave' had perhaps had you around for supper...having learned of your influence, following the Bradford West by-election. :o)

Carl Jacobs @ 03:56 : nice one Carl; very neat!

Dodo @ 01:25 : hm.

1 April 2012 at 13:47  
Blogger Oswin said...

Inspector: do you hoy the 'Crown Derby' at the wall Sir? What a marvelous image, made me chuckle no end; visions of Brown Windsor soup cascading down the flock wallpaper (advises wipe-clean vinyl) assorted culinary viscera hanging from the chandelier! :o)

Top-tip: never dine with a Doddo; 'tis why he is kept in a shed! ;o)

1 April 2012 at 14:08  
Blogger The Judicious Hooker said...

Cressida de Nova @1 April 2012 13:35

Well said and much applauded by the Judicious Hooker.

While the 'papistical blowflies' are tolerated, Article XXXVII of the XXXIX Articles of Religion applies:

The Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this Realm of England.

This venerable blog is, of course, a virtual and valued extension of the said Realm.

1 April 2012 at 14:12  
Blogger Mark In Mayenne said...

Congratulations YG. I see that you have noticed that God sends his sun to rise upon the unjust as well as the just, and probably thinks the same way about His institutions. Oh, wait....

1 April 2012 at 14:36  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace and all;
To use an old fashioned word, I am having a very Gay day. Went to church in my Henley Boating Jacket with all its bright colours and now will spend some time with Noddy.
Inspector, you do a disservice to our Anglican Girls. Having not seen them you might be surprised about the beauty of lesbians.
His Grace nearly had me with the post and would have said that if Cranmer supported Gay Marriage, then Lucifer and I are having an affair. (Most would probably say that was true!).

1 April 2012 at 14:58  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Oswin. The Inspector certainly does not feel he misbehaves on this site. As for the landlord being Anglican, good for him. The Inspector is extremely supportive of the Anglican communion. Indeed, he feels its pain at the hands of its wayward clerics.

Note how his fellow in Jesus appeared from nowhere and put his sandal in after Cressida wrestled the Inspector to the floor. You are forgiven Hooker, go sin no more...

Mr integrity. Our woman has gone all quiet since the Inspector told her her fortune at 13:41. Actually mulling it over, one would expect. They are fine words, don't you think ?

1 April 2012 at 15:55  
Blogger Oswin said...

Inspector: on this occasion my comment went, meant, no further than the comic allusion. It tickled my school-boy humour, is all. Pax.

1 April 2012 at 16:17  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

If you were my fate Inspector I would rather swap places with St. Sebastian,be tied to a post and shot with arrows.

1 April 2012 at 16:34  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Cressida. You’ll have to soften up to attract a man. Traits of Elizabeth I are generally not what men are looking for...

1 April 2012 at 17:06  
Blogger Oswin said...

Cressida: Cru-el! Mind, it beats watching ''Britain's Got Talent'' - and archery is so de rigueur these days; traditional too, ticks all the boxes etc.

NB. Many early representations of St. Sebastion are a tad androgynous.

1 April 2012 at 17:08  
Blogger Oswin said...

Inspector: enormous gaff! I've carried a torch (careful!) for Elizabeth, since adolescence. There's just something about a woman in a shinning breastplate!

Similarly so Anne Boleyn, sans breastplate, alas.

1 April 2012 at 17:16  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Oswin ‘Since’ adolescence ?

heh heh !

1 April 2012 at 17:45  
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1 April 2012 at 17:48  
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1 April 2012 at 18:18  
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1 April 2012 at 18:24  
Blogger Alfred of Wessex said...

Your Grace,

If this is your idea of an April Fool joke, I find it in very poor taste. Sexual sin of any sort is not a laughing matter.

Yours, etc

Alfred of Wessex

1 April 2012 at 18:34  
Blogger anna anglican said...

yay your Grace! "gays4Cranmer" it is - and an excellent summary of the reasons to support gay marriage!

1 April 2012 at 18:43  
Blogger anna anglican said...

I thought Cressida was straight and against gay marriage, so I am not sure Inspector's words will mean much to her anyway.

1 April 2012 at 18:45  
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1 April 2012 at 19:05  
Blogger len said...

Agree with you on this one Carl.

It really is despicable to throw insults at Ladies and totally bring this Blog into disrepute!.

I wonder how the 'inspector would feel if his mother was insulted in such a fashion?.

1 April 2012 at 19:23  
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1 April 2012 at 19:33  
Blogger non mouse said...

Cheers for Len and Cressida, from this corner :)

1 April 2012 at 20:29  
Blogger Shacklefree said...

His Grace comments "Frankly, any church which permits contraception, and so the detachment of conjugality from procreation, must logically acknowledge the validity of same-sex marriage."

Indeed. Perhaps its time to rethink support for articicial contraception

1 April 2012 at 21:41  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Gay Butterfly said...

Honestly, I'm away for a day and look what happens!

Inspector
Good man.

I see the proddies were out in force after being encouraged by one cressida. Goodness me, she's even offered protection to len against us and suggests we might impede his scramble onto the shores of the Tiber!

And the final dagger hurrled - St Sabastian!

I think she fancies you really and is just playing hard to get ;o)

Anna
Welcome back! Hope the gals and boys are well.

Is your adour cooling for the the hot Spanish Senorita?

len
Do be more observant! For now I am a gay butterfly and no longer a Dodo.

Glad you've acquired some assistance for your swim. In the company of a Catholic woman too - lapsed but "once a Catholic" and she sees its virue. Do not lead her astay. A warm welcome awaits you both. Remember to head East - wouldn't want you the two of you landing somewhere in New World.

Oswin
We now know the source of your secret desires - commanding women in shining breast plates! And the strumpet Boleyn? Gone to your head, has she? Now me, I much prefer a natural, warm body. No artificial barriers permitted in my religion.

cressida
Frankly, I'm shocked at you my girl! Instigating an attack on the good Inspector.

Then I read "Len will be busy knocking you up ...", I thought NO - as if - and a pink winged thing passed my window!

Saint Sabastain is a great inspiration. Having been left for dead on his tree he was recued by Irene of Rome, the widow of Saint Castulus, who nursed him back to health. During his time with her he cured a blind girl after asking her: "Do you wish to be with God?" Unfortunately, soon after he harangued Diocletian and the Emperor had him clubbed to death.

I admit I shook my head witnessing all this. And I thought we had reached an understanding and to think I have even permitted you to call me "Doodles". Now this treachery! Consorting with those looking eager for an opportunity to fire their arrows at the stout Inspector and myself, and thick and fast they jumped on the band wagon.

I'll forgive you my little novo Deirfiúr but try to think more about the consequences of your comments.

Doodles.

1 April 2012 at 23:53  
Blogger Oswin said...

Methinks it was ''Doddles'' - but hey, ''Doodles'' is fine by me - 'Doodles' the Badly Drawn Boy' perhaps?

2 April 2012 at 14:23  
Blogger len said...

Dodo a 'lapsed Catholic'is one on the right road(which is the road to freedom from the shackles of Rome)

To try and woe Cressida back with your silver tongued worked for someone else in the Garden and not at all surprised that you are doing the same thing.

You called the Inspector 'stout' doesn`t that mean 'fat'?Just asking.
Dodo you will always be that 'plump extinct duck' to me..

2 April 2012 at 18:52  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Gay Butterfly said...

Oswin
Scribbling is not doodling, because scribbles are marks made in haste or by an uncertain hand.

Doodling, by contrast, is beyond craft and criticism; it belongs to us all; it’s impossible to do it badly—or well. It springs from that flourishing thicket, common to everyone, where mind shoots forth its florid branches from the rootstock of the animal brain. Its intent, if it has one, differs from the preliminary brainstorming of sketching and the territorial mark-making of graffiti: it is the graphic expression of ennui, an existential criticism of the world-as-such.

('In Praise of Doodling' M.Battles)

Can't say I understand any of that - but it does sound good!

2 April 2012 at 20:07  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Inspector thanks you your kind support Dodo. These female types certainly have a lot to say, what !

Us chaps need to stick together if we’re to have any chance, don’t you think ?

Fortunately, the Inspector’s nurse is a warm thing. These gals on site could learn a lot from that disposition.

2 April 2012 at 20:18  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Gay Butterfly said...

Inspector
Indeed and judging by the comments above these female types are not all women either!

I agree real men must stand firm against emasculation of the male gender. None of this nonsense about getting in touch with one's femine side.

You look after your nurse - a wonderful, giving and generous profession.

2 April 2012 at 21:28  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len, be careful what you wish for. Ducks are very good in the air and have precision aim.

The Inspector is stout hearted and out spoken. Fine qualities and your jealousy is unbecoming.

Now, do stop wasting your energy and focus on the swim. You will have no call for all this insecurity, fear and anxiety once you reach the shore.

2 April 2012 at 22:10  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Len and I are swimming along just fine. He is behaving like a perfect gentleman even without his swimming trunks which were ripped off him by a grey nurse shark.

3 April 2012 at 01:45  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

I think she is Lady Grey (Nurse Shark)the Inspector's new girlfriend!

3 April 2012 at 03:12  
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3 April 2012 at 13:45  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Now you dare insult the Inspector's lady friend!

The sharks most common in the Channel are basking. If one of these poor creatures had an encounter with a trunkless len (uuugh, the very thought!) it would have been severly traumatised. As they feed on plankton as a result of this shock, len had a very lucky escape. The lingering cat's odour would have repelled the shark too.

Have you an astrolabe with you?

3 April 2012 at 17:25  
Blogger len said...

Dodo, the only odour prevalent on this blog is Ducks Do-do`s.

Quite a compliment though to think I would traumatise a shark...I accept that in the spirit it was given!.

3 April 2012 at 19:40  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

I must say that my swim with len has been a revelation and my curiosity has been satisfied as to why len is always so self confident in the firing line.

4 April 2012 at 06:42  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

I must say that my swim with len has been a revelation and my curiosity has been satisfied as to why len is always so self confident in the firing line.

4 April 2012 at 06:42  
Blogger len said...

A pleasure to have your company Cressida.

4 April 2012 at 08:01  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len: as Mrs Slocombe might say,

"Oh, look! It's a diamante collar for my pussy."

4 April 2012 at 13:04  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo: dirty boy! Are you refering to ''vajazzling'' perchance???

I of course, (coughs) know nothing of such things ...

4 April 2012 at 15:41  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Heaven's above, Oswin! I've just Googled that term and blushed. Yes, blushed. The very thought. I am a good Catholic boy and know nothing of such things!

I was of course referring innocently to one of len's cats and a possible reward for impressing that de Nova woman!

4 April 2012 at 16:38  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo : yeah, sure you were...

4 April 2012 at 16:56  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

'Bijoux Indiscrets' is so old hat now. Oswin why are you kissing Doddles? Honey (of the sensible shoes) would not like that.

Nemo bene:The de Nova woman is only impressed with sweet and kind which is very sexy in a male.

5 April 2012 at 00:55  
Blogger Oswin said...

Cressida: alas, I fear I must disappoint, as I do not seek to impress you, 'though I enjoy your witty banter. Neither do I pretend to qualities beyond my capacity to maintain them, being sore limited at best.

Forgive the misquotation, but: 'It's my party and I'll kiss Dodo if I want to!' :o)

5 April 2012 at 15:44  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Well if that is the case Oswin count yourself DROPPED! (from a great height)

Kissing Dodo's cheeks
is going too far
You're not even French

I meant that part of my post for Dodo, not you Oswin.I know you are not trying to impress me.I do understand about your limitations which is only to be expected when one spends most of the time castrating sheep.


















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5 April 2012 at 16:21  
Blogger Oswin said...

Oh dear! I do have three French grand-méres, on the paternal line, since the late 18th, Century - do you suppose it is showing through?!?!?!? :o(

NB. Lamb 'castration' is a seasonal thing, like snowdrops and primroses etc.

5 April 2012 at 17:57  
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5 April 2012 at 17:57  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Oswin
Excuse me - am I a piece of real estate? How sexist! No cheek kissing. I know what Frenchies are be like.

Ms de Nov, your recent conduct does not merit "sweet and kind".

5 April 2012 at 21:10  
Blogger Oswin said...

Now that I've been made aware of such a trait, I shall endeavour to counter it. I shall be strong Dodo, have no fear. :o)

6 April 2012 at 00:21  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Oswin please do not blame your French ancestry for your unacceptable behaviour.

Your ancestors had exquisite taste and found la belle francaise irresistible as do most red blooded and blue blooded white males.So be a little more understanding and respectful towards your grandmothers.

There is no excuse for your continental behaviour. We live in a culture where the only contact that men should have with each other is the shaking of hands ..and (oops I almost in the forgot) the placing of heads in each others derrieres in the game of Rugby.

6 April 2012 at 07:39  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

I apologise for my rudeness to you Oswin.I understand how a few tipples can make the boys exuberant.
A Happy Easter to you and yours
Cressida XX

8 April 2012 at 08:42  
Blogger Oswin said...

Cressida: absolutely no apologies necessary, was tres amusant. :o)

A most Happy Easter to you too.

8 April 2012 at 17:18  

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