Monday, April 30, 2012

Boris must win, and go on and on

 

It is easy to be distracted by relative trivia, but this is election week and we must be disciplined and focused. It’s probably a given that the Conservative Party will lose quite a few excellent councillors as they are tarred with the same brushes of incompetence falling out of every cupboard in Downing Street. But anyone who thinks the Mayoralty of London is less of a priority than Leveson/Hunt/Murdoch really needs to recalibrate their sense of proportion and retune their political antennae. On Thursday, our capital city has a choice. And, whatever the LibDems dare to dream, it really is a two-horse race: London’s electorate must choose between Qu’en Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson; between a refined Tory reformer who wants to make London better, and a fossilised Socialist who wants to make London ‘a beacon of Islam

Boris has his faults, we know. But he is a Tory with conservative instincts. In an interview with the Telegraph over the weekend, he advocated tax cuts, and described the values driving his campaign as “Freedom, democracy, taxpayer value and building up the sense of neighbourliness and duty towards each other — how’s that?” He has already signed a pledge demanding a referendum on the EU, and insists ‘Parliament should be sovereign’. He says of Abu Qatada that he ‘should be put on the plane, there’s no doubt about it’. What is there not to like about that?

Nationally, the Conservative Party is trailing Labour in opinion polls: the latest YouGov poll puts the Tories on 29 per cent and Labour on 40. Yet Boris leads Ken by 52 to 48, as though he belonged to a different party. Perhaps he does: as an ‘Independent Conservative’ he is unafraid of arguing with the Prime Minister and unconcerned by the whips. But there is more:
He has managed to convey a sincerity, a feeling of authenticity that has somehow eluded many leading Conservatives. Despite having a background nearly identical to Mr Cameron’s, he has persuaded voters to trust him. It may be because Mr Johnson is not ashamed to declare his commitment to core Tory values... he stresses his commitment to reducing tax levels, and his determination to do everything he can to help small businessmen. This, no doubt, helps to explain why he has gained a following among voters who belong to ethnic minorities, many of whom are entrepreneurs. He is also unapologetic about taking a hard line on crime, an approach that also appeals to this constituency. Perhaps what Mr Johnson does not say is as important as what he does. He does not spend his time trumpeting the virtues of wind farms, or increasing overseas aid, or promoting single-sex marriage...
Boris is the people’s politician: he (almost) invariably speaks and writes manifest common sense, and has a rare gift for a politician – he is lovable. No matter what his faults and failings, there is something profoundly warming about his personality, and he makes London smile. In an era where the medium is the message, he is a very portly medium indeed, through which the message of Conservatism may be amply expounded. And everyone has heard of Boris. Like Diana, he has the aura of first-name familiarity about him; not such a one that may breed contempt, but one that endears people to him; one that makes people feel that they somehow know him. There is something cultic about him; to use the vernacular, he has mojo, he creates his own mystery which inevitably yields a loyal following. In that sense, Boris belongs to the people, and God knows that modern politics desperately needs politicians with whom the electorate wants to engage; politicians who can lead and create disciples.

London is tired of Ken Livingstone’s manipulation, evasion, cunning and deceit. The antidote is a straightforward dose of honesty and commonsense. As far as His Grace is concerned, no-one but Boris can rid us of the anti-Semitic appeaser of Islamism and promoter of all that is corrupt and rotten. Ken Livingstone is the past: Boris is the future.

And that is not merely the view of this Anglican Tory: it is the view of Labour Peer Alan Sugar, who says Ken Livingstone ‘is a driven, power-crazed egomaniac who will do anything to regain the power he once had’. He thinks him to be an anti-Semite who is ‘playing a dangerous game’, and tweeted: ‘I don’t care if Ed Miliband is backing Livingstone, I seriously suggest NO ONE votes for Livingstone in the Mayoral elections'. And Labour Peer Lord Winston branded him a ‘tricky customer with extremely unhealthy views’. And Labour’s election chief Tom Watson told Labour members to ‘hold your nose’ and vote for Ken Livingstone.

Good grief. If this is what senior Labour figures think of their candidate, Boris really is the only choice. He's good for London, good for the country, and good for the Conservative Party. He must go on, and on.

78 Comments:

Blogger Sam Vega said...

"he has mojo"

BoJo mojo.

30 April 2012 at 09:52  
Blogger Sam Vega said...

"He must go on, and on."

Just "on". "And on" might be too much,although your growing disappointment with the present incumbent is all too evident.

30 April 2012 at 09:55  
Blogger Belsay Bugle said...

Quite right again YG.
Cometh the hour cometh the man.
Descended from statesmen and kings - and a man with the common touch - it is his destiny to save us from our enemies and from the hands of all that hate us.

30 April 2012 at 10:06  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

I like Boris. It's a shame he has to belong to a political party.

You say he is an "Independent Conservative". It's the word "Independent" that appeals to me.

30 April 2012 at 10:23  
Blogger IanCad said...

"He must go on, and on."

Onward and upward? The Tory leadership perhaps?
Wouldn't he have to be in Parliament, and how could that happen if he gets a second term as Mayor?

30 April 2012 at 10:41  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
Boris has done more for the Conservatives than the Conservatives have done for themselves.
Once in a while there is a man that appeals, no matter what his failings or virtues.
I wish him well.

30 April 2012 at 10:42  
Blogger Flossie said...

In the part of London where I live, the indigenous population is in a minority. The 'beacon of Islam' is probably quite attractive to the majority.

30 April 2012 at 10:42  
Blogger Hereward said...

The 52 to 48 ratio in favour of Boris looks a little too tight for comfort. Will this balance be overturned by the phantoms of Minaret Hamlets?

There have been concerns about this location for years yet the Electoral Commission reckons the systems there are robust. Apparently they are not robust enough to ensure a democratic outcome since the police have already begun an investigation into vote harvesting, and suspicious postal voting patterns for the council elections.

30 April 2012 at 11:27  
Blogger Kiwi said...

It is entirely possible that when the UK's negative social, and demographic sh*t eventually hits the fan sometime in the near future, that Boris the Mayor of London will emerge as the 'Churchill' that Britain so desperately will look to for leadership. More power to your elbow Boris.

30 April 2012 at 12:19  
Blogger Gary said...

Boris is anti-Christian and pro-sodomite. He cannot be trusted to govern. I'm voting UKIP this time around..

30 April 2012 at 12:40  
Blogger Jon said...

I'll vote for Boris because he's less awful than Ken. Hardly glowing. Similarly, Your Grace, I don't think Lords Sugar and Winston were in favour of Boris, more anti-Ken.

One day, I hope we can get Michael Bloomberg to come over and show us what a mayor really looks like. Boris's interest in Number 10 is depriving London of someone who is focussed on our specific needs. We have a population the size of Scotland's (and ours is actually growing), with an economy larger. We desperately need someone who has both the powers and interest to make this great city even greater.

30 April 2012 at 14:02  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

Your Grace, you forgot to mention Neil Kinnock's "support" for Ken:
“Ken Livingstone has only ever belonged to one party – the Ken Livingstone party”
http://order-order.com/2012/04/30/vote-kennock/

If the guy who said of Red Ed "we've got our party back" says this of Red Ken, he can't possibly hope to win!

30 April 2012 at 14:42  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

I'm with Jon
I'm holding my nose and voting Boris 1, Paddick 2 - ANYTHING to keep Livingstone and al-Quardarwi out .....

30 April 2012 at 14:45  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Your Grace,

"Boris is anti-Christian and pro-sodomite. He cannot be trusted to govern. I'm voting UKIP this time around"

and like Gary, I am also pro Christian and anti sodomy, I will also be voting UKIP this time round.

30 April 2012 at 15:54  
Blogger Flossie said...

I'm with Gary and Naomi. If Boris changes his mind about banning the bus ad, I might consider him.

I don't think I can vote for anyone who wears a pink cowboy hat on gay pride marches. Sorry.

30 April 2012 at 16:05  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Absolutely Flossie it was the bus adverts (or lack of them) which decided it for me too.

Boris obviously thinks it is OK to promote Homosexuality on the side of London buses but not to confirm that this "taste" is treatable and can be cured .

Here are two touching stories from UTube that confirm that homosexual behaviour and lifestyle can be reversed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt85-FE9ViM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klLyY-Q7mDI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

30 April 2012 at 16:29  
Blogger Timjam68 said...

I'm pro Christian and pro sodomy and shall be voting UKIP.

Did you know that Boris has issued a new booklet detailing how illegal immigrants and other foreign visitors may access the health service? Google it - it's on the Migration Watch website.

30 April 2012 at 16:58  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

If you think Boris was bad, you should have seen the advert about politics (I assume it was to encourage people to vote) on BBC2 before the Daily Politics today. The BBC pretty much "outed" themselves in favour of gay marriage with how they did it. Not particularly surprising, but for a theoretically impartial organisation it was a far bigger slip than a politician in election year.

I have to say that if I don't put Boris 1st I will definitely put him second. After all, barring a very surprising result it IS a 2 horse race and I'd far sooner have a Conservative who is pro-gay than Ken!

30 April 2012 at 17:18  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Your Grace. Close call, what ! The Inspector echoes Hereward’s concerns that the outcome may well be decided on the postal vote that Johnny Foreigner has been known to abuse. This disgraceful situation needs serious looking at. For example, currently you don’t even have to give a reason ! A bit outdated, don’t you think, going back to a time when our population in general had a bit more {AHEM}, lets call it ‘integrity’…

Rather glad the Inspector doesn’t live in London, the new Gomorrah, next to Brighton’s Sodom...

30 April 2012 at 17:22  
Blogger Jon said...

Naomi, I bet there are more ex- Christians than ex- gays. And I bet I know which group has the higher relapse rate too.

These aren't touching stories, they are stories about someone who has been so afraid and mentally tormented that they are prepared to make themselves unhappy for the rest of their lives to please someone else.

Either that or they're bisexuals prepared to negate an element of their sexuality. Either way, it's not touching at all. They need to know that, instead, it gets better.

From your bizarre perspective, I'd be worried too. If it turns out that being gay is genetic, these guys are wolves in a sheep's clothing. Imagine, all those genes down the ages guaranteeing the propagation of homosexuality!

30 April 2012 at 17:23  
Blogger Jon said...

Ah well Youthpasta. When the Inspector mans up and starts his own party, you, he, Marie, Flossie and Naomi will be able to cast your votes for an ideologically pure party.

As I said before, I'll help you raise your deposit, I just won't vote for you. Neither, I suspect, will many other people, which is why the Inspector hasn't bothered.

Maybe that's why Boris is pro- gay? Just think - a politician who reflects a majority view...

30 April 2012 at 17:26  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Boris Johnson, feared “a backlash so intense it would not have been in the interests of Christian people in this city” when banning the adverts (which we exactly the same format at the Gay Pride Posters).

Where would this dangerous backlash have come from but from the minority of homosexuals. So its alright for them to preach to us but not for us to preach to them.

But as Philip Dawson a homosexual (who has been harassing various MP's for their honestly held opinions recently in this public consultation on homosexual "marriage") has said, he is "intolerant of intolerance". Well that is comforting isn't it.

Boris need not be concerned about the Christian Church being persecuted, it already is and if the experience of history is anything to go by, it rather profits and is strengthened by it.

30 April 2012 at 17:32  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Jon. One appreciates tthe three main parties grub for votes in whatever location they are now found, even the bottom of the pond. And look where it’s taken us: Conservatives who are anything but, Lib Dems who grabbed the scraps of power, in the manner of a whore unable to decide between two Victorian gentlemen on who to go down on. And an armchair labour party alienated from the working man, who wants to continue where it left off in bankrupting the country. There is a sea change on its way. UKIP is the new man here now. And guess what, there are principles involved this time.

No doubt Stonewall have some contingency plan to work with UKIP when the day comes. An offer of ‘togetherness’ if you will. Won’t be required – UKIP will not only see they have no need for homosexual support, but that such a support would backfire on them ! They’ll be sent packing along with the rest of life’s organised oddballs in the same way the unions where thrown out of number ten when the Callaghan/Wilson government collapsed...

And a good thing too. What !

30 April 2012 at 17:43  
Blogger Jon said...

In which case Naomi, you won't be whining on about your alleged persecution any more, will you if the Church is to profit from it?

Just because the advert was the same format and font, doesn't mean it was the same. Try reading the words.

The Church is afraid of civil marriage because it will lose revenue and influence. And it's afraid that its influence over political life is waning in a society who think its views anachronistic (and doesn't understand its core mission because all the Church goes on about is other people's sex lives). It's a straightforward defence of monopoly, and you're just a shareholder squealing. Bring on the free market and let's see a bit of competition!

30 April 2012 at 17:43  
Blogger Jon said...

Good for you Inspector. They are polling at 10% or so now. If that were played out in a general, it should be just enough to deny the (pro- gay) Tories victory in a general election, pretty much forever.

I admire your integrity. You're prepared to see (pro- gay) Labour in government in perpetuity in order that you don't vote for a party than supports gay marriage. I would ask you why you care about it so much, but you get all defensive for some reason...

30 April 2012 at 17:50  
Blogger bluedog said...

Your Grace

Your communicant has long felt that Boris is the last chance of the Conservative Party. But is it too late? The swing towards UKIP is gaining momentum and with three years to run before the next election, UKIP will continue to wax as Dave's compromised Conservatives wane.

An excellent article by Fraser Nelson in the DT last week made a point that British politics is becoming increasingly regional as the Lib/Lab/Con troika lose their grip. This trend has important implication for any ambitions Boris has for the top job. A former mayor of London is hardly going to walk a path strewn with roses in the regions, given the extent to which London has become a separate country to England and the rest of the UK.

As it happens your communicant is spending the rest of this week in the garden city of Liverpool. It will be interesting to read the mood during the elections. In addition there is a contentious court case in the offing.

30 April 2012 at 17:53  
Blogger Naomi King said...

GAY MARRIAGE BACKING WILL COST YOU SEATS, PRIME MINISTER TOLD


Prime Minister David Cameron

Monday April 30,2012
By Daily Express reporter
DAVID Cameron was warned yesterday against ignoring the views of his party’s traditional backers.
The warning came after a poll suggested his support for gay marriage could cost the Tories between eight and 30 seats in a general election.

30 April 2012 at 17:56  
Blogger Gary said...

Regarding this from Timjam68: "I'm pro Christian and pro sodomy..."

Romans 1 makes it clear that homosexuality is actually rebellion against God. Assuming that your pro-sodomy comment equates with pro-sodomite, you are contradicting yourself.

30 April 2012 at 18:14  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Jon. For God’s sake it’s not about homosexuality. You people really are wrapped up in your own world to the exclusion of what is happening ‘out there’. If you think that a mere 10% of the population would vote for UKIP you are truly deranged. You’d better sit down, it could be as much as 60% who support the quest. All people have to do is to wake up to the way the current parties continually let us down. Not impossible, this man did. What have we now, continued collaboration with the EU, and no referendum on it. Gay marriage is just the icing on the bloody cake !

30 April 2012 at 18:15  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

I do not live in London but from what I read from a Christian perspective there are few if any real differences between Boris and Ken.

Both are bad but the bus advert issue among other things would rule out Boris for me.

Better not to vote or to vote UKIP. It is surprising how many people seem to be saying that UKIP should have a chance, not just Christians.

Cannot be worse that Con/Lib/Lab who seem to be the the same product but with different labels

30 April 2012 at 18:26  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Mon, 30 Apr 2012

The Sun
Published: Today at 00:12

MINISTERS are braced for a pounding in Thursday’s local elections as voters give the Coalition the bloody nose it so richly deserves.

Tories know this is a price they must pay for the catalogue of crass Budget bungles and unforced Downing Street fiascos.

...David Cameron has given Labour a boost by raising two fingers to his traditional Tory faithful.

The result is one of the biggest slumps in the polls in recent times, to just 29 per cent, with Mr Cameron’s personal rating not much higher.

Supporters were prepared to tighten their belts and endure higher taxes and living costs to cut Labour’s debt mountain.

But they are deserting in droves over his irrelevant campaign for gay marriage...

30 April 2012 at 18:31  
Blogger Flossie said...

Boris is today boasting plans to unveil LGBT manifesto ‘to an amazed world’ - read

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/30/audio-boris-johnson-plans-to-unveil-lgbt-manifesto-to-an-amazed-world/

He has the nerve to say that the bus ads, had he not banned them, would provoke strong reactions against Christians (strong reactions against Boris, more like) but not as strong, dear Boris, as the reactions in the future when parents find out what their children will be learning in sex ed classes once 'gay marriage' is given the moral status of straight marriage.

30 April 2012 at 18:35  
Blogger bluedog said...

Thank you, Naomi King @ 18.31.

Here we see the resources of the Murdochs being deployed against the Conservatives and in favour of UKIP.

Game over, Dave.

30 April 2012 at 18:37  
Blogger Gary said...

Regarding this from Office of Inspector General: "it’s not about homosexuality. You people really are wrapped up in your own world to the exclusion of what is happening ‘out there’."

Actually, homosexuality is key in this current anti-Christian climate. All that really matters are the crown rights of our redeemer. Any politician who supports rebellion against God (and that means any politician who is pro-homosexual) is morally bankrupt and, therefore, unfit for office.

30 April 2012 at 18:49  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Flossie, thanks for the link. Revealing about Boris isn't it. Although I have to say I think Ken is worse.

God Bless Dr Gasper the UKIP candidate for Oxford City's Quarry and Risinghurst Ward, see the article about her in today's Pink New;

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/30/ukip-candidate-dr-gasper-pinknews-readers-should-be-sectioned-under-mental-health-act/

UKIP candidate Dr Gasper: PinkNews readers ‘should be sectioned under Mental Health Act’

by Stephen Gray
30 April 2012, 2:48pm

Outspoken UKIP city council candidate Dr Julia Gasper has said today that PinkNews.co.uk readers have made ‘hysterical accusations of being a murderer’ against her, and that most should be involuntarily committed for psychiatric treatment.

30 April 2012 at 19:12  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Gary. We must avoid at all costs the accusation of intolerance. Gays are a part of God’s creation. Not sure why, but what does the Inspector know of the grand plan. At the moment, ‘intolerance’ is the shout used by campaigning homosexuals against people who don’t grant them their every whim. Let’s keep it that way...

30 April 2012 at 19:36  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

Jon, do you seriously think that weddings are a source of income for the CofE? Trust me, costs of a wedding service are purely to cover the costs to the church for the wedding and the legal costs that would be incurred by a secular wedding too.

30 April 2012 at 19:40  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
Further to my earlier comment, I was not aware of how pro-gay Borris seems to be. The issue of the Adds is a red herring, the adds were appalling and should never have been printed. A much more positive response could have been concieved. The Inspector is right in that the three main parties are not to be trusted at this time. But as I wrote previously, I'm not convinced yet that UKIP will be able to deliver in the longer term policies that will meet the criteria of Christians. That's why I support the idea of an new party based on Biblical Integrity.

I think that most Christians would actually like to ignore the gay sector and just leave them in peace. Their ultra-aggressive lobbying and infiltration of Government means that we do need to be resolved to defend the Gospel and our children.

30 April 2012 at 19:59  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Integrity @ 19.59 says he supports the idea of a new party based on biblical Integrity.

A hopelessly impractical proscription that leads straight down the road of Sectarianism and every other schismatic you can think of.

On the other hand you may earn the support and friendship of len. Enjoy.

30 April 2012 at 20:09  
Blogger David B said...

@Gary who said

'Romans 1 makes it clear that homosexuality is actually rebellion against God. Assuming that your pro-sodomy comment equates with pro-sodomite, you are contradicting yourself.'

I have sometimes been castigated for using biblical quotes, which are claimed to be out of context, or something, when some people here disagree with what the Bible says. Yet I don't see them disagreeing with you on grounds of context.

It would be well to remember, don't you think, that it wasn't Paul but Jesus who was reported as being against public prayer, but somehow that doesn't stop many of the so-called Christians here from insisting that councillors publicly pray, for example.

How, I wonder, do Christians chose which parts of the Bible to agree with and which to ignore?

Anything to do with personal prejudices, perhaps?

David B

30 April 2012 at 20:22  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

David B. It gives the Inspector no satisfaction at all to point out you’ve posted on the wrong thread...

heh heh

30 April 2012 at 20:29  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Blue Dog,
In all you’re exploring, have you never come across something you have never seen? What more of a schism is there than what we have now. Whilst in the context of religious diversification we are unlikely to achieve unity. In the field of politics there are sufficient likeminded people who could cooperate to achieve a Judeo/Christian modelled society.
What would you rather have? The continuing decimation of the society that are referred to as middle England people. This would be a million miles better than what we have. The impossible can be achieved by a few determined people.

30 April 2012 at 22:17  
Blogger Flossie said...

Having just listened to the Gaydar Radio interview with Boris Johnson from the Pink News item which I mentioned in my earlier post, I am ever so slightly puzzled.

The interviewer asked Boris what he intended to do about the disproportionately high level of HIV/AIDS suffered by gay men. To his credit, Boris did try to say that money would be used to 'raise awareness' but surely everybody already knows that sodomy is the most efficient transmitter of the virus?

When we are told we have to eat five a day, stop smoking and don't get fat, why can't he just tell them to stop doing what causes it? The interviewer clearly felt that more taxpayer money should be spent on the problem.

There seems to be a certain level of disconnect here.

30 April 2012 at 23:39  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

Flossie, somehow I don't think the response "Wear condoms you pillocks!" would have gone down well.

1 May 2012 at 01:19  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Integrity @ 22.17, the only hope in politics is a broad church, within limits.

Once you start slicing and dicing Christianity you immediately wedge yourself into a corner. Announcing that your party is dedicated to Biblical Integrity begs the question of which Gospel you prefer and which parts of Leviticus you will discard. While you are working out the answers, the Anglicans and the Catholics will lose interest in you, and without those demographics your enterprise is doomed to fail.

Good luck.

1 May 2012 at 08:36  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

I wonder whether a party could be created (and maintained in the long term) which held to Biblical principles but didn't declare it as such. Would such a party be able to garner support from outside of the Christian population?

1 May 2012 at 09:29  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Romans 1

ROM 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

ROM 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

ROM 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

ROM 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

ROM 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

ROM 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

ROM 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

ROM 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

ROM 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

ROM 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

ROM 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

ROM 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

ROM 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

ROM 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

ROM 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

ROM 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

ROM 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1 May 2012 at 09:42  
Blogger Gary said...

Regarding Romans 1. The "For this cause" (other translations offer "for this reason") at 1:26 is the killer blow. Because men reject God, God removes all moral restraints and gives them over to their vile affections, chief of which, the text explains, are homosexual acts and impulses.

If your MP or vicar says that gay marriage is a good thing then your MP or vicar is anti-Christ.

1 May 2012 at 10:10  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Halleluya Gary

1 May 2012 at 13:44  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Halleluya Gary

1 May 2012 at 13:46  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Gary said ...
"If your MP or vicar says that gay marriage is a good thing then your MP or vicar is anti-Christ."

I would go further and say, if your MP or vicar stays silent and is not actively opposed to this then your MP or vicar is anti-Christ.

1 May 2012 at 17:18  
Blogger Flossie said...

A very nice chap phoned me today to ask if I'd be voting for Boris. I gave him both barrels.

1 May 2012 at 17:37  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Boris Johnson has promised to raise the issue of cuts to London's HIV services with Health Secretary Andrew Lansley.

London's Conservative mayor, who's seeking re-election on 3 May, is pledging to do “more” on HIV prevention as part of his health equalities remit for the capital. Johnson is “concerned that complacency” on the issue could lead to a serious rise in HIV cases.

Figures from the Terrence Higgins Trust show one in seven gay men on London's gay scene has the virus. Last year HIV prevention groups in the capital received a 20% funding cut of £516,000.

Johnson says HIV/AIDS mayoral ambassador Annie Lennox has done a great job in “raising awareness”.

In a wide-ranging interview with Gaydar Radio's Scott Roberts, the Mayor defended his recent decision to ban several Christian groups from placing homophobic adverts on 25 London buses. He also remains baffled why the opponents of marriage equality are “deeply hostile” to the Government's proposals and says marriage equality is a “good thing” for society.

Johnson would also like to see David Cameron explain the policy in order to change the mind of Tory backbench opponents - he believes doing so would help combat “prejudice”.

Click the Play button above to listen to Scott Roberts' interview on gayradio with Boris Johnson.

http://www.gaydarradio.com/news/2012/4/boris-johnson.html

1 May 2012 at 18:12  
Blogger Naomi King said...

One in seven homosexuals in London has HIV !

That's 1 in 7 !

and it is costing £2,000,000 plus to treat them in London alone !

(Statistics courtesy of the Terence Higgins Trust.)

1 May 2012 at 19:16  
Blogger len said...

Romans 1 Gives an accurate assessment of the condition of fallen man and of the downward spiral as he moves further away from God.

The Bible is as relevant today as when it was first written because fallen man cannot change by his own efforts.Man has advanced in leaps and bounds with regard to technology but there is a darkness within his spirit which only God can transform.

Romans 1 is intolerable to fallen man because it reveals the truth about the rebellion of mankind against the Creator (and the consequences)

1 May 2012 at 20:36  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len said ...
"Man ... there is a darkness within his spirit which only God can transform."

A very Catholic sentiment as opposed to a more classical protestant theology which sees man's sinful state covered rather than transformed by Christ.

1 May 2012 at 21:27  
Blogger Alpha Draconis said...

Your Grace,

"VOTE BORRIS, VOTE FOR THE BRITISH SPACE EMPIRE!!"

1 May 2012 at 21:39  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Boris Johnson, as quoted on Gay Radio in the Scot Roberts interview, said,

He [Boris] remains baffled why the opponents of marriage equality are “deeply hostile” to the Government's proposals and [He, Boris] says marriage equality is a “good thing” for society. Boris Johnson would also like to see David Cameron explain the policy in order to change the mind of Tory backbench opponents.

If these quotes from gayradio are correct then the arrogance and lack of understanding manifest by the Eton triumvirate of Dave, George and Boris toward the general public's deep concern on this issue, not to mention the intelligence and finer feelings of their own MP's, is hugely worrisome and they will bring their own downfall upon themselves.

2 May 2012 at 08:00  
Blogger len said...

Dodo,

'A very Catholic sentiment as opposed to a more classical protestant theology which sees man's sinful state covered rather than transformed by Christ.'(end of statement by the Dodo)

The covering of sin.

God 'covered'Adam and Eve in skins from slaughtered animals, this was for their protection and to cover their nakedness. They were covered by God himself before they' fell'when they desired' independence' from God. Independence from God has 'its price'which is a ' uniting' with all that is in rebellion against the Creator.

The Israelites' covered' their door posts in blood from slaughtered animals.

Salvation is in three stages.
Our Spirit is instantly transformed exactly as it will be for all Eternity.'Born again'.... reborn from above.

Our Soul,( Mind will emotions)is BEING saved. renewal of the mind by the Spirit within and the Word without.

Our Body WILL be saved .Raised by the Lord Jesus Christ.When Christ returns, he will raise the dead. All of the dead will be raised (Acts 24:15).

I am not saying this is an easy subject to understand but this is how the Word of God explains salvation.

The vital point is the Spirit being renewed(born again) for all else leads from this!.The renewed Spirit then leads One into all truth, acts as ones guide and comforter during all the trials and tribulations one goes through as a Christian until one eventually returns home.

2 May 2012 at 08:02  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len

Yes, if you say so ...

So now we have a Spirit as distinct from a Soul? The Soul IS really the Mind? Our Spirit has been saved (well, yours anyway) and our Soul is being saved and our Body will be saved.

"I am not saying this is an easy subject to understand but this is how the Word of God explains salvation."

Are you sure of this?

Zzzzzzzzzzz

2 May 2012 at 18:44  
Blogger len said...

Dodo you really need to research this!.

Do not trample to much on the' pearls' others might need them.

2 May 2012 at 19:29  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len
You're just sowing more confusion.

According to your 'theory' it is possible for a man's "Spirit" to be saved but not his "Soul" or "Body".

This is a pearl? Are you crazy?

2 May 2012 at 22:39  
Blogger len said...

Dodo (sigh)

Man is composed of a spirit ,a soul and a body.
1 Thessalonians 5:23'Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.'

Much confusion has been caused by those interchanging' soul' and 'spirit' this can be traced back to those who interpreted scripture for us' lesser mortals'. They got it completely wrong.!Scripture as always got it completely right!.In fact to read some of the' learned intellectuals'one might conclude that man had no spirit at all only a 'soul'!.

And here is a scripture just for you Dodo;Luke 1:46-47

And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour,(Luke 1:46-47 )

(Which also proves Mary herself needed Saviour)

3 May 2012 at 07:34  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len
Yes, yes! But you haven't answered my point, have you?

"According to your 'theory' it is possible for a man's "Spirit" to be saved but not his "Soul" or "Body"."

You're now going to latch onto one or two statements in the Bible , taken out of context, I can feel it.

You really must stop trying to play the part of the theologian. Spirit and soul are used interchangeably throughout the Bible. They are not two independent, immortal realms.

3 May 2012 at 11:49  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Ps
And who has ever denied Mary needed a Saviour? Yet another prejudice of yours based on ignorance is surfacing.

3 May 2012 at 11:52  
Blogger len said...

Dodo
you really cannot understand the difference between soul and spirit?

No wonder your theology is so confused.

These are basic spiritual facts.

4 May 2012 at 08:03  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Oh, I think I can but not in terms that you've presented them. They are one and the same - just operate at different levels.

Go on then, do explain the difference as you see it - if you can do so coherently.

Your post of 2 May 2012 @ 08:02 is garbled nonsense! Your 'theory' states a man's immortal "Spirit" can be saved but not immortal his "Soul". The former is "saved" and regenerated; the later has to undergo a transformation.

Tell me can evil live in the "Soul" and not effect the "Spirit"?

You are just splitting hairs to hold onto your "born again" irrestible and unchangeable event and introducing a process to defend this.

4 May 2012 at 11:55  
Blogger len said...

Dodo, Go 'on then, do explain the difference as you see it - if you can do so coherently.'

Dodo already done it!.


I can only conclude that participating in your religion is akin to placing a' bucket over ones head'.One can then neither hear or see...the truth.

I think the Bible puts it more poetically.........'.Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit'(2Corinthians 3 7-17 )

Dodo, this is your problem and the problem of all who follow 'The Law' who try to make themselves acceptable to God through their own 'righteousness' by their 'good works'.

5 May 2012 at 08:03  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Well it all nearly went wrong for Boris, maybe he will start listening to the Conservative voters now rather than Mr Cameron and his liberal cronies at No 10.

Great mistake Boris banning those bus adverts you know.

5 May 2012 at 08:12  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

little pope len

Did that post come from your 'spirit', your 'soul' or maybe your 'mind'?

You have explained nothing! You post nonsense, enclose it with a few passages from the Bible and expect me to accept your confused theology.

You are deluded and confused.

5 May 2012 at 11:55  
Blogger len said...

We know that God is a Trinity. The Holy Trinity is clearly set forth in the Apostle Paul’s letter that closed his Second Corinthian Epistle: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen”

The two following passages from the Bible clearly establish the fact that man is a triune being composed of spirit, soul, and body:

I pray God your whole' spirit' and'soul' and 'body' be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

'For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of' soul' and 'spirit', and of the joints and marrow (body), and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart' (Hebrews 4:12).

Separation of soul and spirit
The writer of Hebrews speaks of the distinction between the spirit and soul of a person indicating that the spirit of a person should be separated from the soul of the person. Indeed, the context of the passage in Hebrews indicates that it is improper for the spirit of a person to be fully enclosed within the soul of that person (as marrow is fully enclosed by bone) and that it is the function of God's word to work in that person to free his spirit from being enclosed by his soul.

"For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart." (Heb 4:12).

The soul and the spirit are connected, but separable (Hebrews 4:12). The soul is the essence of humanity’s being; it is who we are. The spirit is the aspect of humanity that connects with God.

5 May 2012 at 14:50  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

little pope len

Yes, yes, repeating yourself doesn't prove the point.

Lets go back to your original position. There you claimed the spirit can be saved whilst the soul has to be transformed. So, straight answer now:

Can the spirit be saved without the soul being transformed? Is the spirit immortal? Is the soul immortal?

5 May 2012 at 16:44  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

*thinks*

little pope len is feverishly scouring the internet for answers and checking out fringe websites for assistance.

5 May 2012 at 23:53  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Dodo

What len is presenting about body, soul and spirit is not nonsense. He didn't just invent this, and he won't have to go to fringe website to find support for it. There is a legitimate debate here about whether man is a di-unity of body and spirt or a tri-unity of body, soul, and spirit. A tri-unity does make sense of the idea of a man being spiritually dead. We are more comfortable with the di-unity of soul and spirit, but the verse is right there in Hebrews. You have to account for it.

carl

6 May 2012 at 04:31  
Blogger len said...

Dodo,

"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit, soul and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
(1 Thessalonians 5:23

Man is a tri-partite being – spirit, soul and body. It is with his spirit that a man worships, and may contact God. The soul includes the conscious and subconscious minds, the realm of emotions and the will. Soul gives a man personality, self-awareness, rationality and natural feeling. The body is a complex physical creation by which a person relates to this world and to other people in the world.

Sanctification begins when the spirit of man is recreated through the new birth (John 3:3). The majority of people in this world have their spirits "dead" to God (Ephesians 2:2).This is why Atheists and( some religious)have no knowledge of God or no relationship with Christ they cannot hear His voice and have no revelation of the reality of God.In all intents and purposes they are deaf and blind spiritually.

Unless your spirit is re- created re- born(from above ) sanctification is impossible.
The unsaved man or woman, those who have only the first birth, are in extreme danger. Since the body and soul of the unsaved man or woman are bonded to the dead spirit of this present world, when this world's physical elements and spiritual components (including "Death") are cast into the lake of fire (see Rev 20:13-15), those eternal souls, living or already dead, will perish with them.

6 May 2012 at 19:10  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

carl
I am aware of that!

The point is his use of the statement in scripture which incidentally I see as poetic emphasis, expressed in Greek philosophical terms, rather than a dogma of a division between spirit and soul.

It's part of a wider debate about his view on being "born again" as much as the existance of a Spirit and a Soul.

And the way he is presenting this is confused nonsense and he's avoiding answering the points.

little pope len
This is what you stated:

"Salvation is in three stages.
Our Spirit is instantly transformed exactly as it will be for all Eternity.'Born again'.... reborn from above."


Okay, we disagree on this but fine, I understand what your saying.

"Our Soul,( Mind will emotions)is BEING saved. renewal of the mind by the Spirit within and the Word without."

As distinct from the Spirit? So, is it seperate and what if it isn't transformed along with the Spirit? Is the Soul immortal? Can evil exist in the Soul but not in the Spirit?

"Our Body WILL be saved .Raised by the Lord Jesus Christ.When Christ returns, he will raise the dead. All of the dead will be raised (Acts 24:15)."

Yep, clearly apart of scripture.

7 May 2012 at 01:58  
Blogger len said...

Dodo ,
Get a Bible and read Romans.

If you cannot be bothered to do that try www.justforcatholics.

8 May 2012 at 19:47  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

little pope len

Didn't think you could answer. Just puff and wind when it comes down to it.

You do not know what you believe!

8 May 2012 at 21:47  

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