Monday, May 28, 2012

The al-Houla massacre

"flagrant violation of international law"
-Kofi Annan
"indiscriminate and unforgivable"
-UN mission head Maj-Gen Robert Mood
"appalling crime"
-UK Foreign Secretary William Hague
"an act of pure, naked savagery"
-UK Foreign Office Minister Alistair Burt
a massacre
-French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius
"horrific crime"
-Arab League head Nabil Elaraby
"the Government of Syria (must) immediately cease the use of heavy weapons in population centres"
-UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon
"The United States will work with the international community to intensify our pressure on Assad and his cronies, whose rule by murder and fear must come to an end"
-US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
We need to establish whether it was the Syrian authorities
-Russian deputy ambassador to the UN Igor Pankin
When 90 people, including at least 32 children under the age of 10, are summarily slaughtered, it is important to establish the facts of precisely what happened. When the weeping and wailing of mourners cry for vengeance over the bloodied bodies of children, there is a justifiable demand for action, by someone, somewhere. When you see the limp limbs of precious little ones with their jaws shot off and skulls split open, there is numbness, sorrow, disbelief, anger.

Most of the world is united in blaming the Syrian regime for this massacre. Russia alone appears to be casting doubt on the involvement of Assad’s government troops. And President Bashar al-Assad himself blames the carnage on a terrorist group affiliated with al-Qaeda, observing that the escalation came ahead of an imminent meeting of the UN Security Council and the joint special envoy of the UN and the Arab League Kofi Annan to Syria.

The reality, of course, is that none of us can actually know who is responsible for this appalling crime, for we were not there. This is, to all intents and purposes, a civil war raging between competing religious factions: a Sunni Muslim-led insurgency against Syria’s ruling elite who belong to the minority Alawite sect (a branch of Shi’a Islam). Each side levels allegations of terrorism against the other: each accuses the other of atrocities and crimes against humanity. But still the government shelling continues. And still Assad reigns.

It is difficult to know what William Hague means when he says he wants a ‘strong response’ to the killings. The words themselves are weak: what ‘response’ can be made to the slaughter of babies and children? If the Foreign Secretary is waiting for unanimity at the UN Security Council, he can dream on. If he is expecting some authoritative condemnation from the ‘Islamic world’, he fails to grasp the reality that the Sunni Muslim Gulf powers want to see weapons provided to an insurgency led by their oppressed brothers and sisters against the heretical Alawites.

Bombs and bullets do not kill religious sects and cults. On the contrary, they make them more fortified and determined to achieve their religio-political ends. We stand and watch, appalled and horrified.

And eat our toast and drink our tea, wondering how Tony Blair will perform at Leveson, and desperately hoping that Baroness Warsi will face a police investigation.


Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

For once I totally agree. The fact that multilateral action may not be achievable, or that the impact of any bilateral action that can be taken is limited, is not an excuse for straining every muscle to do the maximum that is possible. This is not the first attocity committed by Assad'a thugs.

28 May 2012 at 10:10  
Blogger IanCad said...

My Goodness! How tender-hearted and sensitive has Hilary become.
She, who, likely, ordered the final siege at the Waco massacre, now has the gall to condemn the actions of the Syrian government in the course of a civil war.
Where were her tears for the thousands of Iraqi children dying from lack of medicines; victims of the Clinton sponsored U.N. sanctions (the coward's way of way}?
Why does she get a free ride in the press? Apart from a few notable exceptions-- James Bovard and Ambrose Evans-Pritchard-- it seems to me that she is almost treated as royalty.
I am appalled and horrified.

28 May 2012 at 10:42  
Blogger scottspeig said...

What would you have done?

Quite clearly, this is a civil war and as such we would be best placed to sit and wait it out - getting involved will most likely cause worse grievances later.

Yes, the killing of children is abhorrent, but I fail to see (especially as no-one knows who did it) what actions the "international community" can do. After all, we in the UK went through plenty of atrocities to get to where we are today. France went through a revolution, the European countries went through not one, but two world wars.

Glass houses and bricks come to mind really when we start getting all high and mighty about other peoples wars.

28 May 2012 at 10:49  
Blogger bluedog said...

Your Grace

Your communicant predicts much handwringing but very little action. The West is at it's best dealing with oil-rich Arabs.

Those without oil, like Syria, are not quite so fascinating.

On another topic, isn't Tony Blair a star for tipping a bucket over the House of Lords? Of course, he's also a complete hypocrite, as without his inept constitutional reforms there wouldn't be a problem with the HoL. But onwards and upwards towards an elected senate giving regional representation. No room for the political placepersons and superannuated cronies there.

The likes of Lord Smith of Finsbury may yet be constitutionally stripped of their peerages. What a bonus!

28 May 2012 at 11:47  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thought for the day.

Proverbs 26:17
He who passes by and meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a dog by the ears.

28 May 2012 at 11:49  
Blogger martin sewell said...

It changes nothing for me to say it, but there is special kind of depravity in the deliberate murder of little children.

28 May 2012 at 12:58  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

The reality, of course, is that none of us can actually know who is responsible for this appalling crime, for we were not there.

Sage words, however it gets worse, much worse.

Even if we were there, we still would not know for sure. Which is of course a very big problem, because being absolutely certain as to WHO or what is ultimately responsible, is critical to knowing what to do about it.

As a general rule when I am not sure about the facts of the matter I do very little or nothing at all.

We still have a 'little' matter of finding out who was behind 9/11 and all that followed from that infamous day to find out for sure, for the official conspiracy theory has clearly been shown to be simply a whole load of very obvious lies, to say the least.

We are currently involved in two foreign colonial style wars which are claiming the lives and limbs of our armed service personnel, and innocent Iraqi and Afghan men, women and children everyday.

We clearly cannot trust anything we are told by either our own governments or their obedient, and utterly controlled mass media.

Therefore until our leaders prove that they can be trusted by having a full and properly independent investigation of the events of 9/11 it is best that we strive to have no opinion at all, other then perfectly justifiable horror.

28 May 2012 at 13:18  
Blogger Galant said...

What a situation. This sort of thing makes one want to scream, "Do something!", and certainly, if something could be done, such incidents require that we do it. Yet what can be done?

I've been speechless on this all morning. The only thing I can come up with is something akin to a WWII circumstance where, the West will help end the conflict, but then Syria must be rebuilt/run within certain restrictions/according to certain rules and principles. If it is not, then change will come again.

Albeit inadequate, that's the only 'something to be done' my silenced mind can come up with right now.

28 May 2012 at 13:24  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

It is difficult to know what William Hague means when he says he wants a ‘strong response’ to the killings.

Diplomats puff out strong words as a substitute for action. To fix the problems in Syria, a nation would have to 1) invade Syria, 2) suppress the armed factions by force and 3) govern Syria for a long period of time in the face of increasingly bitter resistance. The reality is that nations are not willing to assume that burden absent some compelling national interest. If Hitler had contented himself with killing only Germans, then 'Peace in our Time' would have been achieved.

From a more practical perspective, there are almost no nations with the capacity to intervene. It takes infrastructure to move and sustain a major army in the field several thousand miles away. That infrastructure takes time and money to build. Prior political choices have already dictated available options. Trading Aircraft carriers for public health care means you can't do much about massacres in Syria.

So what then? People see pictures and and are shocked by what they see. Politicians respond to the public reaction with suitable language. But are they going to actually do anything about it? No. Because the public doesn't really want to do anything about it - at least nothing that would involve actual cost in treasure and especially blood. Because gov'ts by and large couldn't do anything even if they wanted to. So they just express outrage and shock and demand an indeterminate and undefined 'strong response.' What else can they do?

Evil things happen in this world all the time, and the reality is that nothing can be done about it. There is far more evil in the world than there is capacity to suppress it. Rachel still weeps for her children. She mourns and will not be comforted. She will not see justice in this life. If there was no God, she would never see justice at all.

Memorial Day, 2012

28 May 2012 at 13:52  
Blogger Berserker said...

Russia is at it again in Syria. Look back at its involvement in Serbia. One could make the point that the Serbian conflict would not have happened without the background of Russian historical support. After all they stopped NATO troops landing at Pristina: a possible third world war scenario. They also at present keep Serbia solvent.

In Syria, Russia has supplied Cruise missiles and does considerable arms trade with Damascus so its hands are not clean but then whose are? But in this game Russia has had its paws badly burnt with Algeria and Iraq, loosing a lot of money.

It always amazes me how people go on about China and how it is challenging America as the No 1 power but it has sparse natural resources compared with the almost limitless fields of oil or gas in Russia. Russia also has a highly educated workforce. My point is that in this modern world we should above all be wary of Russia.

There is a Euro-Russia summit in St Petersburg on June 3, will something come of this?

28 May 2012 at 14:24  
Blogger Preacher said...

What evil deeds men commit.
The fruit of Lust, Greed, Anger, Hate. The desire to rule becomes so great that it corrodes & corrupts. Killing the innocent, defenceless & helpless.
The wages of sin.
The only comfort is that life does not finish when our mortal bodies die. There is a Heaven, & a Hell, the judge knows those who are guilty. All will stand before Him, none shall escape His Justice.

28 May 2012 at 14:58  
Blogger Oswin said...

Other than the stuff about 9/11, I tend to agree with Atlas Shrugged: we don't know what we are dealing with here; and even if we did, I'd still rather we kept to diplomatic/financial measures only. Whatever happens, it will be a case of 'damned if we do, and damned if we don't'.

When the world is crazy, beyond our ken, the only thing we can hope to do with any surety (?) is to look to our own, and keep our powder dry.

Besides, the powerful, oil-rich Arab states should patrol their own backyard, rather than playing one side off against another.

28 May 2012 at 15:12  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Nobody but Shrugs could look at the above and ...well ... just Shrug and make the most of the opportunity to resurrect his crazy, discredited and rightly ridiculed 9/11 consipiracy theory.

I suggest rather than leave it to drawn out diplomacy and Hague alone, we as a sane Country can do something now.

We should not be playing Olympic games with the Syrians and as host, Britain should ignore the IOC and unilaterally ban the athletes and their national Flag waving, from the Games, while this atrocious state of affairs is going on. It is truly obscene to pretend all well in the world yet ignore the realities.

International shunning in sport works; it has happened before, it hurts, and lingers long in the memory.

Military intervention in pursuit of Regime change should not be part of our remit, but aiding in the establishment of peace in place of conflict is, no matter where in the world.

Through the UN, we and the rest of the world should be driving harder to work on making Assad aware of the likely hood of him being held accountable for the war crimes in his country; by his failure to stop the killing of his own people by his troops, mercenaries and rogue third party elements active during his dictatorial watch.

28 May 2012 at 15:20  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


The major powers use the UN to:

1. To provide a veneer of international legitimacy to some action they deem essential to their vital nation interests.

2. To park some problem in order to defer responsibility for action.

Because there is no major power willing to intervene in Syria, any action by the UN is going to follow the second form. There can't even be a trial unless some individual nation decides to seize Assad.

I would extend your argument about the Olympics to a general principle - that only civilized nations should be allowed to participate. But of course that is not the vision of the Olympic Cult. And the political reality is that certain nations are immune. The PRC will never be excluded no matter what it does.

As an aside, this emphasizes why the Israelis must be careful to maintain secure defensible borders. They never know who might be governing the nation next to them. The 'Peace process' can quickly turn into the 'War Process', and land once surrendered can only be recovered with blood. What does that mean? No retreat from the Jordan. No retreat from Golan. No pre-67 borders. No independent Palestinian state.


28 May 2012 at 16:34  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

Of course some countries are not so wary of interfering militarily in Syria.,7340,L-4234608,00.html

While I don't think Western military interference in Syria would do any good whatsoever - there is still plenty that we could do e.g. shaming those countries that are supporting Syria, working with the Arab League/Turkey/UN to put pressure on the Assad regime, helping with refugees, supporting political opponents of the Assad regime.

One of the problems with Iraq/Afghanistan is that it has focussed all the intention on how to deal with pariah states on militiary intervention rather tham trying to get alternative means to work effectively. I'm afraid the reality of the world today is that these problems cannot be conveniently ignored - it should be remembered that Saddam invaded tow of his neighbours, used WMDs and forced many Iraquis overseas to avoid torture and worse, before any action was taken. The more you leave totalitarians unchecked the bigger the problem in the end I'm afraid.

28 May 2012 at 16:59  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Your Grace, what a disgusting sight. Now, the reason they did it was not just because they could or even that they wanted to, it was because they could do so without impunity. Each murderous individual knows that even if he’s caught, he’ll be set free. Maybe the top man gets life. If you want to stop these outrages happening in future, round the perpetrators up, and kill the bloody lot. Men and the youths who took part. Oh yes, send pictures of the executions to every mosque in the Middle East. Purify through killing, that’s how it’s done.

28 May 2012 at 17:28  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

I take you points on the UN Carl, and so what some nations are immune - let's focus here on Syria and worry about the what ifs some other time. The Assembly however unfit for purpose, is still in theory, the best we have at this precise moment. I confess I don't fully understand how it operates, but surely a caucus of legitimate democracies could be making a more cohesive noise aimed at focusing attention on the person of Assad as a puppet Head of State and the ultimate fall guy when he steps down.

He trained as an optician here in the UK and is married to a woman born here of Syrian parents. He knows the power of the press and media in an open society. He and she more than likely has property and assets here which could be siezed or at least frozen.

Assad's controllers won't give a stuff about him and he need to be made to feel afraid for his and his wife's own skins.

28 May 2012 at 18:02  
Blogger IanCad said...


"Memorial Day, 2012"

How easy it to forget when we live elsewhere.
Indeed, let us remember all those who have died in the cause of liberty.
God Bless America.

28 May 2012 at 19:00  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Thanks for that, IanCad

carl :)

28 May 2012 at 19:12  
Blogger non mouse said...

Thanks, Your Grace, for the warning! The word 'Massacre' says enough for me.. I have some inkling of the realities of physical suffering, having worked in hospitals.

To Mr. Jacobs- best wishes for Memorial Day. It's good to know that so many people remember and, consequently, may meditate on why we preserve the memory.

28 May 2012 at 19:19  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


"God Bless America." Well said, my lad.

Americans are the most affable and friendly people Ernst knows and it was a delight to visit them in 1997. They are us but without the reserve and stiff upper lip when dealing with terrible service..They say immediately what we tend to say after trying to be very reasonable and then we going incandescent with rage when people take advantage of us and rather see this as a weakness than a strength.

Are we Anglo/Saxons not strange!


28 May 2012 at 20:15  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

Discredited BY WHO, the BBC? Please don't make me laugh, when did you start believing anything that organ of the establishment told you?

Ok, I know, you only believe the BBC when it suits your own world view, or well established prejudices.

I remember doing the exact same thing myself those many years ago when someone else claimed that 9/11 was clearly an inside job of some sorts.

Knowing that the BBC was basically a leftist, anti-Republican, and anti-American snot rag, I considered that IF the George Bush administration was behind the events of 9/11 the fact would be all over the 9 o'clock news, and then some by now.

Therefore I attempted to prove the lady wrong. The more I attempted to do so the more the evidence that she was essentially but not wholly correct become painfully obvious, so God damned obvious in fact, that I was left in absolutely no doubt whatsoever that what we were being told was a pack of very badly concealed lies.

The more I read the worse it got, as I began to realize that our owners had very deliberately not bothered to conceal their murderous dishonestly, just so the media and our leaders would also be left in no doubt as to the true identity and therefore enormous magnitude of the forces behind it.

I was rather hoping that at least some of you would attempt do the same by attempting to prove me wrong. However it seems that in common with most educationally sub-normal fools, you simply don't have the balls to even look at the evidence. This incase you may discover something that you know your tiny little minds could not handle in the slightest.

I therefore directly challenge you and others to look at the evidence that is now easily available, and then tell me I am the fool around here.

I know you can't, because such evidence DOES NOT EXIST ANYWHERE, not even in government reports.

You now have the opportunity to prove me wrong, so go to it Tiger.

28 May 2012 at 20:32  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

That’s right Mr Shrugged, you know the truth of it. Now, don’t press the buzzer again tonight or we might not come next time...

28 May 2012 at 20:38  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Hello Mr Shrugged, the orderly told me that you found out something about 9/11 and you wanted to tell us all. Well, you have now, so you can settle down again, that’s it, head on the pillow. Now, you’re more alert than agitated, aren’t you. Yes are, and that smile tells me your glad you’ve got it off your chest. So, nurse will just roll your sleeve up, and a tiny prick, and it’s the land of nod for you. Good compliant fellow. Sweet dreams, old man...

28 May 2012 at 20:58  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

Dear Inspector

Please be so kind as to bugger off, or at least stop being so rudely condescending until you have yourself properly investigated the relevant issue.

I KNOW that you could not have done so, because if you had you would at least be in some doubt, or would be quite literally forced kicking and screaming to agree with me.

Seeing through this extremely obvious wall of lies is child's play.

Does being profoundly ignorant of not only the foundations of your own religion, but also all things to do with world and domestic events turn you on, or are you differently motivated?

I know a Jesuit education like yours is the nearest thing to schooling from the Devil Herself, however not even this excuses your rudeness.

Your most impudent ignorance seems so well founded that I am more then beginning to suspect your honesty, as well as your basic level of intelligence and education.

Your ability for self or otherwise critical thinking is clearly non existent. Do you not think that it is well past high time you started backing up your mindless assertions with some actual facts?

The unanswered questions regarding the events of 9/11 will not simply go away, because you and others wish them to. Indeed they are not only not going away they are multiplying by the day as our governments continue to commit mass murder in our name.

I have never claimed to know everything, for only a fool ( like yourself ) or a despot ( like His Holy Father ) would claim that sort of authority.

I simply claim that the official conspiracy theory has not just very little backing it up, but has absolutely nothing at all, sweet FA holding up even the most seemingly insignificant part of it.

Zero, absolute ZERO with knobs on with long dangly bits attached, Get it?

No, of course you don't, you types are simply not capable of thinking for yourselves at all. Therefore either put up, shut up, or go back to what you do best, which is NOT reading The Holy Bible all by your little old self.

28 May 2012 at 21:15  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace

May God Bless the Telegraph for removing the mystery of the modern political phenomenon called Politico Mime ('Rhetorical Boxing' syncretised on Tai Chi and Machiavellian moves) as demonstrated by Founder and Black Belt 15th Dan Sensei Tony Blair in a step by step winning kata extravaganza...The art of Sleighting without Fighting.

Master Tone: Open your ears and eyes. What do you hear and what do you see?
Young Cameroon: I hear the public, I see the press.
Tone: Do you see how your policies can cause ordinary people great trouble and you strife?
Cameroon: No.
Tone: Do you hear the outcry against you and your foolish maneuvering against ordinary people.
Cameroon: No.
Tone: Now do you see the turd which is on your shoe?
Cameroon:Old man, how is it that you see and hear these things?
Tone: Young man, more importantly, how is it that you cannot smell political Sh*t when its right under your nose and see that you have trod in it and hear it squelch. Now go away foolish apprentice and practice your fruit ninja on prat mode.

theme starts *da da da de de da da da..*

E S Blofeld

28 May 2012 at 21:27  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Mr Shrugged, what’s this, still on your feet ! Quite amazing chappie aren’t you; there’s 30 mg of diazepam coursing your veins for God’s sake. Look, come with us, and just for tonight we’re going to let you sleep in the White Room. You’ll like it there. It’s {AHEM} safe, no sharp edges, and there’s a lovely view of the grounds in the morning. And we’ll be able to keep an eye on you. Nurse, wipe Mr Shrugged’sdribble will you. Now, we’ll hear more about 9/11 from you tomorrow. Yes, we know you’ve lots more to say and it wasn’t the muslims but Uncle Sam that brought the towers down. Yes we know the pope is probably behind it, but all that can wait. Now, no banging on the windows, toughened glass you know. You’ll only hurt yourself, and bruise yourself.

Nurse, sometimes I think I’m not really cut out for Broadmoor. Looking back, I had much more professional satisfaction at the county secure unit...

28 May 2012 at 21:32  
Blogger Owl said...

After getting over the dreadful video and my stomach returning to something like normal, I started reading what information was available about this atrocity.

I began to feel a little uneasy when the it was reported that this was the result of heavy artillery attacks by government forces.

I would have thought that the victims bodies would have been badly smashed and their clothing would have been ripped to pieces.

Other than the (horrific) wounds which I assume were the cause of death, the bodies and clothing seem to be completely intact.

In other words, this would appear to be a close range execution.

I could find no reports of ground troops being in the area.

I may be completely wrong but this smells like propaganda.

Someone in the video asks where the UN observers are/were when this happened, which sounds completely out of character for a distraught friend/relation/neighbour or whatever.

It sound more like a political statement.

Perhaps someone with some military experience (as I have none) could enlighten me on this subject.

Atlas, actually I have seen enough documentation on 9/11 to be extremely sceptical of the official version so you are not alone.

I do not know what the truth really is.

28 May 2012 at 21:34  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


Instead of merely dismissing the possibility of conspiracy, I think you should consider the FACTS. The United States maintains a super-secret Black Ops facility in Alaska called the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program. Although it's cover story is Ionospheric Research, it has been well-established that the true purpose of HAARP is MIND CONTROL. It was first tested in the Gulf War I and was used to induce mass surrender by Iraqi soldiers. This success was the germination of the conspiracy that resulted in 9/11.

The conspirators didn't need to convince people to go along with their plans. They didn't need to risk exposure. They simply had to target specific individuals with HAARP and 'program' them to attack. The events in Mogadishu. The first bombing of the WTC. The bombing of the US Embassy in Kenya. The attack on the USS Cole. These were all part of a carefully orchestrated PLAN spanning two administrations to use HAARP to start a war of conquest in the Middle East in order to secure OIL and create an AMERICAN EMPIRE. And they were all carried out through MIND CONTROL employed by the technicians at HAARP.

You may think this fantastic, but I can assure you that this is the TRUTH. If you don't believe me, then do your own RESEARCH. The US government has a MIND CONTROL DEVICE and is using it even now to advance its plan of ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. I read it on the internet. It's TRUE.

carl of the Grassy Knoll

28 May 2012 at 21:40  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Nurse how’s, Shrugged? Barely conscious, excellent. Well, move another bed in there for the Inspector. You see, he too has just bought into yet another conspiracy, but this one from a descendant of Benedict Arnold, so he believes it must be true. Truly barking !

28 May 2012 at 21:51  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

...'tell me I am the fool around here... such evidence DOES NOT EXIST ANYWHERE'

I have no intention of diverting this thread by engaging you with your insider conspiracy claims. Take them to OBL and call him a liar to his face (or in reality - take them to his record).

'Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared in a new message aired on an Arabic TV station Friday night, for the first time claiming direct responsibility for the 2001 attacks against the United States.

The militant Islamic group (aQ) decided "we should destroy towers in America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation," said bin Laden, dressed in yellow and white robes and videotaped against a plain brown background

28 May 2012 at 21:59  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

But I don't want to go in the bed. I'm feeling better. I think I'll go for a walk.

carl of the Grassy Knoll

28 May 2012 at 21:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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28 May 2012 at 22:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Next Atlas Shrugged will go on- in his usual fantasy land- about how we Draconis are really taking over the earth in league with the Zeta Reticuli and the Vatican/US govt. and the 'men in black'. Draconis in an allianz with the Zeta Reticuli? Never would we ally with those honourless q'uotha!

28 May 2012 at 22:10  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...


You utter rotter - now you've blown it - the secret is finally out - you've done an Asange!

28 May 2012 at 22:11  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


The TRUTH must be known no matter the COST! I am a SERVANT of the TRUTH.

carl of the Grassy Knoll

28 May 2012 at 22:17  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


You can't fool me with your smooth forked tongue. DON'T even TRY.


carl of the Grassy Knoll

28 May 2012 at 22:24  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But, what is the truth?

28 May 2012 at 22:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sad fact of the matter is, whilst the slaughter of the weak and innocent is terrible, the 'world community' will do nothing about this- Russia as a great power has an interest in Syria dating back to the cold war times. The French I think also and Britain and the US simply don't have the resources to keep acting like a world policeman. Not with Eurogedden threatening economic collapse, we've got the begging bowl out to China, who also doesn't want to do anything. And it is American election year, so no-one over there is going to want to get involved in a risky military intervention, especially with the other commitments in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq (oh, I also left out Iran as well).

Also, where on earth does Atlas get all this stuff from? Seems like a load of old tosh to me. Give us evidence, not cock and bally bull!

28 May 2012 at 22:39  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Dr Cranmer mused ...

"And eat our toast and drink our tea, wondering how Tony Blair will perform at Leveson, and desperately hoping that Baroness Warsi will face a police investigation."

(I'll join the levity in a minute)

Just need to say the final sentence in our host's post sums up our relatively petty preocupations in comparison to the real misery and suffering in this world.

Indeed, our politics has become like a village tea party and is based on gossip amongst a ruling class who are inward looking and self preoccupied.

28 May 2012 at 23:25  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Now, to our troubled friend Atlas.

Dear Inspector diazepam will only offer temporary respite for this tortured man. Administer a dosage of haloperidol without further delay. What do they teach you these days? One would normally give 2mg three times a day; sometimes 5mg in extreme need. In this situation go for 15mg, intravenously!

I know cressida recommended drastic action to acquire a sense of humour but grassy knolls and conspiracy theories? This will never do for a Calvinist (or is it two a's and one i?)

28 May 2012 at 23:39  
Blogger Edward Spalton said...

You appear to have swallowed the Western line about uniquely evil Serbia hook,line and sinker. Please bear in mind that Mandy and Alastair Campbell were despatched to Brussels to beef up the propaganda - with tales of 100,000 young Albanian men missing, presumed murdered.

The Western powers spent months and months looking for the mass graves in Kosovo but found none. Investigations by an independent Finnish forensic team did show that the so-called Racak "massacre" was an assemblage of bodies from elsewhere, arranged to look like the victims of a mass execution. The pictures were used as a casus belli by the West.

With regard to Srebrenica, please Google "Major General Lewis Mackenzie Srebrenica" for an unbiased account of the atrocities on both sides which occurred there. General Mackenzie is a Canadian officer and I have heard confirmation of his account from James Bissett, who was Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia at the time.

Atrocities there undoubtedly were by all sides but the Western demonisation of Serbia has been most effective and lasting. I attempted a more balanced picture under the title "Kosovo - The Balkans Today, the West Tomorrow" on the site www, .

It is among the titles which scroll up on the right hand side of the page.

I have no family or business connections in the Balkans.

28 May 2012 at 23:39  
Blogger Berserker said...

Edward Spalton
I was not demonising Serbia (one could say the serbs had a perfect right not to want Croatia becoming independent of the Republic of Yugoslavia) but I think i was merely making the point that no one seems to worry about Russia and its constant meddling and the more humorous point that they have suffered some bloody noses in the process.

It may be of interest to Western democracies that the Bosnian serbs went from being the majority to a minority presumably because of the slav muslim birth rate. In the UK we are following the same pattern.

Be warned.

29 May 2012 at 00:29  
Blogger Bill Sticker said...

Unpleasant though the sight of slaughtered children is, I found myself looking at the visible wounds and wondering what caused them. Not bullets, although if it was shelling as we are told, I would expect to see several of the poor little mites in some form of dismemberment. Otherwise it was hard to tell, given the poor definition and camera shake. On the other hand, seeing children like that can't do much for anyone's nerves.

An outrage, certainly, but not an atrocity that should justify any military personnel from the west becoming involved. They wouldn't be welcomed by any of the factions, no matter how well-intentioned.

29 May 2012 at 03:04  
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29 May 2012 at 03:04  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

Best result can only Coe if the UN agree to offer Syria a peace keeping force, which Syria accept, which is then followed by a fact-finding mission (that actually works) and mediation between the 2 sides.

If Assad rejects this then it would suggest culpability in the massacre (though not confirm) and hopefully show Russia that they are clearly supporting the wrong side and that it is making them look worse than they are willing to look to the rest of the world.

Either y, whoever carried out this killing is guilty of a truly heinous crime and I hope they are brought to justice in this life so as to avoid future repeats.

29 May 2012 at 08:05  
Blogger Edward Spalton said...


Thank you.

If Russia had been in a stronger position, I think it is unlikely that the Yugoslav tragedy would have developed as it did. "Little Brother" Serbia traditionally had a favoured place in Russian foreign policy from the time of the Tsars.

When the US General Wesley Clarke ordered his British subordinate to clear the token Russian force from
Pristina airport, he received the reply "I'm not starting World War Three for you".

Of course, it was not just declining Serb birth rates in Kosovo but the introduction of a large Albanian population by the Axis powers which Tito confirmed in occupation.

It was notorious that the maternity services in Pristina hospital treated Serbian women very differently from the Albanian mothers.

29 May 2012 at 19:29  
Blogger Marcus Foxall said...

To become involved and help the innocent? Or to avoid such action and accept the suffering (of others, who have no tea 'n toast)?

It is-I say without sarcasm-a dilemma.

We are fortunate - probably not the mot juste , but it'll have to do - that the situation allows us to take a peek back to 1930's Europe and grasp how such a dilemma was met by the unaffected countries then.

29 May 2012 at 21:16  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Chaps, unless we are willing to commit our own forces, let them get on with it. There will undoudtably be more atrocities, but we’re not the worlds policeman. Acknowledge the tragedy, but don’t think we can do anything to stop it happening again...

29 May 2012 at 21:41  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Human nature is human nature and there's blood to be let in the Arab countries.

Its a bloody tragedy but, unless it can be shown to be in our clear interests to intervene, or it can be shown that to do so will have a positive humanitarian and political impact, what can one justifiable do?

The world is as it is.

1 June 2012 at 00:28  

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