Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Archbishop of Canterbury ‘disappointed’ by the direction the UK has taken


Well, he can’t be as disappointed as many are by the direction the Church of England has taken over the past decade. In an interview to be screened on Newsnight tonight, in which ++Rowan talks about the lessons modern Britain can learn from the works of Charles Dickens, he says he is concerned about the gap between rich and poor and the lack of cultural cohesion in the UK.

O, do change the record. There’s been ‘a gap’ between the rich and the poor ever since Cain smote Abel. It’s a basic socio-economic fact of human existence, long known to priests, kings, prophets and to God Himself. Tragic as their plight may be, disturbing as it undoubtedly is, the poor will always be with us, the Lord explained. Only a statist drive for absolute equality and total wealth redistribution can ever close ‘the gap’. That is perhaps ++Rowan’s Christian vision. Some might call it Communism.

And we all know the fundamental cause of the lack of cultural cohesion, don’t we? Clue: it has nothing to do with the influx of Jutes, Picts, Celts, Romans, Saxons, Vikings or Normans.

There is, as ever, much in the interview which provokes thought, for that is the nature of the man. “There have been moments in the last decade and more when, perhaps, we might have been able to take a different line,” he says. And that is undoubtedly true. But hindsight is a wonderful thing.

However, His Grace would like to challenge his successor to the Chair of St Augustine on two issues. ++Rowan says we could learn from Dickens that the education system should teach people to use their imagination and emotions, rather than turning education into a ‘sausage machine’ or ‘letting the box-ticking mentality take over’. “Without imagination,” he explains, “you won't get people to understand that they're part of something bigger than themselves. The more you go down a narrowly utilitarian model of education, where you're just thinking about outcomes and ultimate profits and educating people for skills in the economy, the more you think like that, the less you actually equip people to belong, to work together, to have solidarity and vision for themselves as a group.”

Isn’t that precisely what Michael Gove is doing? The more schools are liberated from centralised bureaucracy, state-imposed curricula, and the narrowness which comes of ministerial meddling in the inculcation of values, the more likely you are to see academies and free schools which eschew the ‘utilitarian model’. The RSA, for example, has developed a school curriculum called ‘Opening Minds’, which ‘promotes innovative and integrated ways of thinking about education and the curriculum’. They explain: ‘A competence based approach enables students not just to acquire subject knowledge but to understand, use and apply it in the within the context of their wider learning and life. It also offers students a more holistic and coherent way of learning which allows them to make connections and apply knowledge across different subject areas.’

How is this ‘just thinking about outcomes and ultimate profits and educating people for skills in the economy’? It is fundamentally concerned with solidarity and vision; with equipping children to belong, to work together. This is possible only because of the Government’s education policy, so it isn’t at all clear what ++Rowan is talking about.

And then we get: ‘Dr Williams went on to say that it was too early to be cynical about Prime Minister David Cameron's idea of the Big Society.’ He says: “It contains within itself the hugely important sense of investing your value, your worth in the value, worth, happiness of your immediate community - so it's about building community, about getting beyond the bounds of selfishness and about taking local responsibilities.”

Which is jolly interesting, because exactly a year ago he said the Big Society was a ‘painfully stale’ phrase; a project viewed with ‘widespread suspicion’ and as an ‘opportunistic cover for spending cuts’.

If it is too early to be cynical about it now, an opportunistic piece to please the readership of the New Statesman back in June 2011 must have been obscenely premature.

62 Comments:

Blogger Andy Field said...

It would have been wonderful to hear the Archbishop declare that turning to Jesus is the real answer and our deepest need as individuals and as a nation. Whatever happened to the Great Commission?

29 May 2012 at 09:57  
Blogger Derek T Northcote said...

"turning to Jesus is the real answer "

Not if you do not believe in that kind of thing.

29 May 2012 at 10:02  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Then Mr. Northcote, if you do not believe in that sort of thing, I see no hope for you until you do.
Jesus is the way and the hope for our nation.

29 May 2012 at 10:33  
Blogger jonathan said...

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29 May 2012 at 10:39  
Blogger jonathan said...

Your Grace this was not in your usual style - I wonder, has someone stolen your keyboard?

Will there be money in heaven? If not, then the poor won't always be with us, will they?

Having said that, I disagree with the AoC's view that what "the economy" wants is an education system that teaches box ticking, as if the profit motive in an economy which relies hugely on creative industries could thrive on anything other than imagination and creativity.

29 May 2012 at 10:40  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Why is it that I really can't be bothered to read any article that has a picture of the Archdruid at the top of it? [That's a rhetorical question!]

@Mr Northcote ... things don't stop being true because you don't believe in them.

29 May 2012 at 10:41  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

When precisely does this socialist POS leave the public arena?

29 May 2012 at 10:43  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

Michael Gove is doing nothing of any consequence.

Schools can only teach what the state determines.

Schools cannot introduce any form of selection.

Schools cannot discriminate to select the best behaved etc.

But private companies can make money out of schools..... So this is the real change then!

Gove's reforms will make little difference and may make things a lot worse.

Phil

29 May 2012 at 10:47  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
I was talking this week end to Cannon George Kavoor (Principle of Bristol Bible College and a Chaplain to the Queen). I asked him if the committee to select the new Arch Bishop of Canterbury was left wing and liberal as I had heard (from you your Grace). He nodded his head up and down and said with a sadness in his voice, "I couldn't possibly comment on that".
We also discussed whether Michael Nazir Alli was eligible and whether he would now even accept the offer if made.
It would seem that until there is a decisive man at the top, capable of steering the many facets of the church into a cohesive organisation, the CofE is destined to be a cohesion of many independents.

29 May 2012 at 10:47  
Blogger Hereward said...

Only a statist drive for absolute equality and total wealth redistribution can ever close ‘the gap’. That is perhaps ++Rowan’s Christian vision. Some might call it Communism

Others might call it Impossible.

29 May 2012 at 10:49  
Blogger Murray said...

I believe Mr. Northcote was being sarcastic and referring to Dr. Williams lack of belief in Jesus.

-Lord Acton

29 May 2012 at 11:32  
Blogger IanCad said...

Equality. Equality, Equality.
The tyrants cry throughout the ages.
Big Dave is a great fan of it, as are most of our politicians.
The mindless accept the notion.
Our schools strive for it.
We have a government that is tolerant of homeschooling. It is actually quite helpful to the few parents who take the opportunity of escaping the clutches of the state.
There are those who predict the end of the university system as we know it. Hopefully we will live to see the end of state run schools as well.

29 May 2012 at 12:06  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

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29 May 2012 at 12:07  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

..'he says he is concerned about the gap between rich and poor and the lack of cultural cohesion in the UK'....

And this man is supposed to be worth a seat in Parliament and concerned at the lot of the 'poor'?

People who have never worked or are new to this Country and don't have the means to support themselves, 'demand' to be housed near their families and friends, in areas of London that even above average wage earners can't afford. They tend to then, raise large families and rely on the State to feed and educate them all. It proves wrong the old adage, that 'beggars can't be choosers' They can and do.

Meanwhile, ex-forces personnel who have served their Country on the front, line go to the back of the housing and welfare queues. Many members of our army forces have now been on active service twice the duration of WW2 - they more than anyone else, deserve to take precedence to any State support, free access to higher education when re-establishing themselves and their families on discharge.

Buying a Poppy once a year is not enough.

Support our home-coming Troops.

29 May 2012 at 12:13  
Blogger Gary said...

I, like many others, do not recognize the current ABC as a Christian. He doesn't believe in holy scripture, he doesn't believe in the holy gospel, he doesn't believe in male headship, and he doesn't recognize sin when he sees it. His legacy is a weakened church and a broken, faithless country.

29 May 2012 at 13:12  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

O, do change the record. There’s been ‘a gap’ between the rich and the poor ever since Cain smote Abel. It’s a basic socio-economic fact of human existence,

Of course that Jesus chappy had nothing at all to say on the matter, and if he did those bits can be quietly ignored.

29 May 2012 at 13:30  
Blogger Preacher said...

Mr Integrity.
What about George for the vacant post of AB of C? He certainly would be a good choice.
Maybe a bit radical for the 'comfy' Brigade though.
Anyway I doubt if he'd take the position even if it was offered.

29 May 2012 at 13:36  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"Well, he can’t be as disappointed as many are by the direction the Church of England has taken over the past decade.(1) In an interview to be screened on Newsnight tonight, in which ++Rowan talks about the lessons modern Britain can learn from the works of Charles Dickens (2), he says he is concerned about the gap between rich and poor and the lack of cultural cohesion in the UK.(3)"

(1) I am always surprised at the views of people in charge of something that express exasperation at the direction of travel, when they have been the person at the rudder and responsible to dire(a)ction!

(2)*Huge guffaws, chuckles and chortles* Would have thought that lessons to be learnt could be better found from reading Genesis through to Revelation but it appears he can't quite grasp their relevance!

Bleak House
"The universe," he observed, "makes rather an indifferent parent, I am afraid."

1 Peter 5:7
Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Isaiah 49:15
Can a woman forget her nursing child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb (unfortunately, daily, as seen at Marie Stopes)? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget you.

Friends we have made on earth, whether they be great or small, the frivilous, the noble, the famous, may forget you; God never will.
He will never forsake you and you will never be entirely neglected.
A father, mother, neighbour, friend, those whom you have loved and those to whom you have done good, may neglect you, but God never will.
You may become poor, and they may pass by you on the other side of the street; you may lose your job, and those fly by night flatterers may no longer strew your path; your beauty or handsomeness may fade like the summer slips into autumn, and your once admirers may leave you; you may grow old, and be infirm, and appear to be useless to yourself and all in the world, and no one may seem to care for you anymore; but it is not so with the God whom you serve.
When he loves, he always loves completely; if he regarded you with favour when you were well off, he will not forget you when you are penniless; he who watched over you with a parent's loving care in the bloom of youth, will not cast you off when you are "tired, old and grey,"

Psalm 31:19
“Oh how great is thy goodness, which thou hast laid up for them that fear thee; which thou hast wrought for them that trust in thee before the sons of men!”
Psalm 71:18.
If we are what we should be, we shall never be without a friend as long as there is a God.

(3)
Should you not really be more concerned about the soul first and save that rather than fill their bellies only ..It appears you are succeeding in neither!

Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

E S Blofeld

29 May 2012 at 15:56  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
Lord Sacks has just written;
They appealed to people’s altruism. They made sure that the sacrifices were borne equally and that everyone contributed. They had no patience for people intent on their own advantage at the cost of others. They didn’t seek miracles or make promises they couldn’t keep. They knew that the only way successfully to negotiate change is to educate the people, trust them, empower them, and speak to the better angels of their nature. They taught. And they were tireless.
This is surely the comments of a learned man. We have not had a PM with those qualities in many years. Our leaders are selected by the electorate on a basis of charisma, not an ability to understand the needs of the church or the nation.

29 May 2012 at 16:18  
Blogger Flossie said...

Perhaps there would be more social cohesion if the Archbishop gave a bit of guidance on the difference between right and wrong. He seems to be a bit woolly on this himself, supporting gay bishops as he does, although he has spoken out against individualism.

Unless laws are framed around the common good rather than individuals' proclivities, social cohesion cannot ensue.

Social engineering a la Blair and Harridan Harman has been the curse of this age, and will lead to further strife.

29 May 2012 at 16:23  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Excellent post Archbishop. Let’s hope Williams reflects on his own lack of effectiveness, as he prepares to pass the baton. Now, wouldn’t it be wonderful to have a prelate who bats for Christianity first, and the world of mammon second. Then we have the poverties. He should have concerned himself with the spiritual poverty that haunts this land (…and this blog site…) which is far more insidious than the material kind. It could be argued that material poverty is not the burden of the past, as there is no reason why everybody in this country should not go to bed with a full stomach. Those that do are the victims of their own ineptitude. Not sure about the poor, but the stupid will always be with us.

Is it too much to ask the next man to put the flock first ? To leave well alone that of society that does not concern the flock…

29 May 2012 at 17:13  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

Some might call it Communism.

They most certainly would, for it is Communism pure and simple.

The argument has never been that removing the poor is simply a question of redistribution of wealth. For as we know from experience all that Marxism meant was all but a very few being equally poor.

The wealth of the world is not concentrated in this mythical 1% we hear so much about these days, but is concentrated in no more then around 300 individuals. Which would be something like .00000006% of the population.

It is clear that such a tiny minority care not at all for the fate of the middle classes, and therefore even less for that of the poorer classes. THUS MARXIST COMMUNISM was invented, and propagated by the .00000006% in order to act as lord and master to the other 99.99999994% of the population.

Karl Marx is buried in Highgate Cemetery in London and not in Moscow, for a very important reason.

Marxism was invented to eventually enslave the entire planet under a one world government directed by world central bank, run by the people who long since owned ALL of them, and all national governments bar a rapidly diminishing few.

Now if the implications of the above where not scary enough, it gets worse, much worse.

As has been well documented for many years, these chaps have a plan as to what to do with what they describe the useless eaters, namely the poor.

G.B.Shaw is on record as stating that the intention is to murder the lot of them using the most painless method available at the time, ( he suggested gassing as the most humane ) although he conceded that deliberately created mass starvation, economic depression, and deadly virus's would also need to be used.

Therefore it would appear from the available evidence that these people actually intend to murder up to 75% of the worlds population at some time over the next 20 years.

I contend that only by understanding who is running the planet and the plans they have long since had for it, can one properly understand our past, present, and possible future.

How else can events like The al-Houla massacre be explained, other then to conclude that the world is run by very evil men?

Please understand that truth is stranger then fiction, in our case much, much stranger, as well as incredibly horrific.

29 May 2012 at 17:17  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

On a slightly different note, the Inspector has been boning up on the fall of the Roman Empire. Seems a similar malaise affected that entity in the final years as affects us today. The growth of the individual and his selfish demands (…queer folk, take note…). There was widespread tax evasion Greek style, (…UK Corporations paying next to nothing…) that led to a contraction of the army, and not enough in the chest to pay what soldiers there were. Money was minted in vast quantities (…quantitative easing, anyone ?..) to pay the troops and you had a large amount of money chasing too few goods (…UK Housing crisis !…).

There were foreign invasions (…though at least we invited our heathens and Euro scroungers in…). All wanting a slice of the place for themselves (….migrants into the UK filling their pockets with benefits, healthcare, subsidised housing etc, welcomed in by the socialists who screamed at them that it’s their right to take what they never contributed towards…).

And of course, a loss of virtue. Remember when the British people were united under a common culture, it’s not that long ago. .

Not that the Inspector is following in the footsteps of Shrugged, you understand, he who offers nothing but despair, when he’s not in the realms of fantasy, that is. We can look forward to a time of strong arm no nonsense leaders, they will be here. They are in UKIP. Can’t wait, you know !

29 May 2012 at 17:18  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Shrugged.Therefore it would appear from the available evidence that these people actually intend to murder up to 75% of the worlds population at some time over the next 20 years.

That actually tops ‘The pope has a son’ and ‘The Prior General of the Jesuits is the Pope’s boss’ and other lunacies you brighten our lives with. Where do you get this muck from ? If it’s from the internet, then it may not be true. reader’s discretion and all that...

29 May 2012 at 17:29  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"@Mr Northcote ... things don't stop being true because you don't believe in them."

Also, things don't become true simply because some people believe in them.

29 May 2012 at 17:45  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

...'it would appear from the available evidence that these people actually intend to murder up to 75% of the worlds population at some time over the next 20 years'.

Shhhhhhhh Atlas - do you mean all at once or gradually - any way just don't you go antagonising them before I have a chance to cancel the milk.

29 May 2012 at 18:17  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Atlas: "Karl Marx is buried in Highgate Cemetery in London and not in Moscow, for a very important reason."

Is that because he was an ex-pat German chucked out of Germany and living in London at the time of his death?

29 May 2012 at 18:28  
Blogger Naomi King said...

I did a search for the word God in what Rowan William's is reported as saying - and lo and behold I couldn’t find it!

For they refused to retain God in their thinking ….

29 May 2012 at 18:48  
Blogger ZZMike said...

I had thought the good Dr Williams had retired to his estates in Northumbria. Evidently he's still in the advice-giving business.

I was moved to come to your site again by an article in today's Reuters: "UK has changed for worse under Queen Elizabeth: poll"

"Elizabeth has presided over the demise of Britain's once vast empire ....."

I suppose Mr Churchill, Mr Atlee, Mr Eden. Mr Macmillan, Mr Douglas-Home, Mr Heath, Mr Callaghan, Mrs Thatcher, Mr Major, Mr Blair, Mr Brown, and Mr Cameron were mere bystanders in the affairs of state.

Or perhaps that's what the Reuters writer wishes you to believe.

IanCad: "Equality, equality, equality"

This is the goal. We here in the USA believe, as our founders said, that "all men are created equal". Unfortunately, they did not foresee postmodernism, where words mean whatever we (not the authors) meant. The founders meant that all were equal before the law, that governors as well as the common man had the same chance of going to jail, on conviction of crimes.

But today, some people believe that equality can only be attained by force, by government edict. The only equality there is the equality of all being crushed by the same weight.

29 May 2012 at 20:19  
Blogger Anoneumouse said...

Luke 6:41

29 May 2012 at 22:20  
Blogger bluedog said...

Shruggers @ 17.17 says 'The wealth of the world is not concentrated in this mythical 1% we hear so much about these days, but is concentrated in no more then around 300 individuals. Which would be something like .00000006% of the population.'

If you take the USA as empirical evidence, the top 3% pay 50% of all income tax. This implies that a very large number of the population don't pay any tax at all. Most importantly, these figures go someway to dispproving your unsupported assertion that the wealth of the whole world is concentrated in 300 families.

Have you never heard of the Four Hundred?

29 May 2012 at 22:45  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Anoneumouse Said;
Luke 6:41
“Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
This is one of the most misquoted scriptures to avoid challenging those who are in need of being challenged. It does not require the challenger to be perfect, merely aware of their own faults. We need to be able to question those who offend God with their false doctrine.

29 May 2012 at 22:52  
Blogger IdiotZoo said...

Sadly Gove is/has done a gret deal of consequence. Far from freeing schools from central bureaucracy he's tied them to the dfe like never before whilst undermining the local education authority. It's not decentralisation, it's the opposite. Local controls and support lost, years of expertise gone and no longer available to schools.

I'll give the man the benefit of the doubt and assume he believes he's doing the right thing, but sadly his arrogance prevents him from considering the opinion of so many thousands of education professionals.

29 May 2012 at 23:44  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Well said Andy

Andy Field said...
It would have been wonderful to hear the Archbishop declare that turning to Jesus is the real answer and our deepest need as individuals and as a nation. Whatever happened to the Great Commission?

30 May 2012 at 05:10  
Blogger Naomi King said...

The Archbishop is not the only person who is disappointed about the direction that Britain has taken.

Tell me: Have we dumped the idea that a man's self-esteem comes from something inside himself (sometimes called character) and from having a good education, a good job and a good family-and replaced that notion with this, that he has an affinity to love (and have sex with) other men?”

In our nation, in the churches, and in my own denomination, there is an increasing acceptance of homosexuality as a normal and acceptable way of life. However the majority of people do not accept homosexuality as valid. The homosexual agenda is out to destroy society as we now know it. The homosexual agenda’s biggest aim is to destroy Christianity.

There is now enough contrary evidence to cause everyone to stop their insane rush to give homosexuality top place on the pedestal and the acceptance it so crazily hungers for.

Homosexuals insist on dragging all of society downward, so that their activities seem ‘normal’; they are forcing people – the silent majority – to comply with their wishes, and using law to do it. Above all else, they are stopping free speech.

All citizens need to know the truth, to avoid being steamrollered into accepting gay propaganda. Don’t think it has nothing to do with you, because it has... you pay taxes, you have children and grandchildren, you need medical care, you eat in restaurants, you would like at least basic morality... well, homosexuality affects all these things, and more.

Let me say that, for me, heterosexual sexual promiscuity and ‘bad’ sexual practices are just as immoral. But, I am not talking about that part of man’s murky activity, because heterosexual wrongdoers do not attempt to silence the majority of mankind who disapprove of their actions.

In the UK we now have cross curriculum "homosexuality month" in schools, every February, where teachers are demanded to teach even three year olds how to do homosexual sex! Is this okay? No, because what they are doing is leading to destruction.

30 May 2012 at 06:39  
Blogger graham wood said...

"The homosexual agenda is out to destroy society as we now know it. The homosexual agenda’s biggest aim is to destroy Christianity."

Well said Naomi, and exactly right.
Of course the real "gay" agenda dare not speak its name, for it is hidden under the deceptive cloak of so called equality.
That is why they call for "equal marriage", as if their adherents were not free to marry (except their own sex) as anybody else.

In the final analysis, the central question in the whole debate is whether we accept the words and the verdict of Jesus Christ in Scripture as being authoritative and final in defining real marriage, or do we accept the vain words of men with their theories of faux 'marriage'
That is the real choice.
So we need to consider the question: Was Jesus somehow wrong, or mistaken when he said: "What God has joined together (i.e. heterosexual union of a man and a woman) let not man put asunder"?

30 May 2012 at 09:49  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

No offence, but did homosexuality really need to be brought up here? His Grace has been writing about education and the poor, can't people at least comment on the theme rather than making me cry over the shame of seeing fellow Christians obssessing over the gay debate.

If commenting on homosexuality is all you want to do (looking at Naomi in particular) why not blog about it yourself, rather than play the same record ad infinitum in nearly every comments section on this blog?

Homosexuality, in your view (and in mine), is wrong in the eyes of God. Nearly every person that posts here knows this is your view. There is no point in saying it repeatedly at every opportunity unless you wish to annoy everyone who disagrees, not to mention some like me who happen to agree, to the point of ignoring every comment you make.

30 May 2012 at 11:25  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Mr Integrity said...29 May 2012 22:52

Most excellent retort.

The Lord asks us first, before we examine, WHY we have examined another..our motive..is it Holy, are we just joining the crowd (picking up a stone?), do we have our own agenda, is it edifying for them and us etc.

Ernst

30 May 2012 at 11:57  
Blogger Naomi King said...

There are more posts on The Archbishop's posts about Homosexuality and the ASA and related matters that on other posts by a very large factor.

Also The MPs from all parties have revealed that their postbags are dominated by letters and emails from constituents urging them to oppose the measure to so called redefine marriage (as if such a thing were possible).

Asked which national issues stand out in their correspondence from voters, MP's said that around one in three calls from voters are to oppose gay marriage.

This proportion (34 per cent) is far higher than that for any other issue facing the country.

Second comes welfare reform (23 per cent) followed by NHS reform (19 per cent), pensions (13 per cent), fuel prices (13 per cent), fuel taxes (13 per cent), unemployment and jobs (8 per cent), and the Budget (8 per cent).

Asked how voters divide on the issue, MPs say that they are overwhelmingly against.

Three out of four MPs say their correspondence is generally either opposed to the measure (19 per cent) or strongly opposed (55 per cent).

Only 16 per cent of MPs say their letter-writing constituents on balance support the change, currently the subject of a Government consultation exercise led by Equalities Minister Lynne Featherstone.

Strong opposition to same-sex marriage is reported by MPs of all three main parties. But Conservatives are getting the heaviest grassroots flak.

Among Conservative MPs, 45 per cent report that letters and emails objecting to gay marriage are the most prominent items in their postbags. But a similar pattern is seen among Lib Dem MPs (30 per cent) and Labour MPs (23 per cent).

Among Lib Dem MPs the top concerns among letter-writing constituents are benefit reform (37 per cent) and NHS reform (36 per cent). But opposing SSM still comes in third at 30 per cent.

Among Labour MPs, the prime worry is again benefit reform (32 per cent) but opposing SSM comes second at 23 per cent followed by NHS reform (22 per cent).

ComRes were commissioned by the Coalition for Marriage (C4M), which is leading the campaign against gay marriage and which has attracted the support of over 535,000 people on its petition rejecting Government moves to redefine marriage.

30 May 2012 at 14:15  
Blogger Jon said...

Naomi, one has to ask why you're so obsessed. I think you should probably go and talk to someone. Someone that isn't the voices in your head, preferably.

Inspector, UK Corporations paid £48bn in corporation tax last year (according to the handy, if slightly under specified app that HMRC have just released). That's not nothing. This leaves aside what they also pay in Employers National Insurance. I'm assuming that you're in your 60s, in which case, it's mainly your generation who have underpaid tax over the course of your long lives and who are predominantly responsible for the fiscal situation in which we find ourselves. You are the last generation who will receive final salary pensions, decent free healthcare, who had free schooling and university and were more or less guaranteed employment. It's a shame you didn't pass the country on in the same state you received it as adults! I look at people in their 80s and think how disappointed they ought to be in their kids for the way they squandered their national inheritance, and the mess they left their great grandkids.

Also - England has never been particularly homogenous. We've always had a healthy plurality of races and religions here, and a suitable disdain for those who set themselves up in authority over us (like your man in Rome). It's one of the reasons that the English have been so successful culturally, linguistically and economically.

30 May 2012 at 14:33  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"it's mainly your generation who have underpaid tax over the course of your long lives and who are predominantly responsible for the fiscal situation in which we find ourselves. You are the last generation who will receive final salary pensions, decent free healthcare, who had free schooling and university and were more or less guaranteed employment." An outrageous slur on we elderly!

The 60' s was about hard work and thrift..not about the latest washing machines, telly, computers and the internet and maxed-out credit cards that your generation desired..with it's dot.com booms and spend spend spend and the Stock Market seen as a roulette wheel for the feckless.

"It's a shame you didn't pass the country on in the same state you received it as adults!"
We got rid of the closed shop and the power of 'Comrade workers' to plunge the country into darkness on the whim of a 33% pay rise to energy workers and getting the rubbish removed timely and not trashed along the streets of London and a state comprehensive education system that has dropped our kids into the illiteracy of the 3rd world and still falling. Socialist mediocrity and then some!

The rose-tinted specs of the young and foolish, who did not live through those years.

Ernst, you young scallywag.

30 May 2012 at 14:57  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Jon: "Naomi, one has to ask why you're so obsessed. I think you should probably go and talk to someone."

One or two people have asked what homophobia actually means. Well, I think one can just present pertinent examples, such as Naomi, and leave people to infer the rest.

30 May 2012 at 17:30  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Mrs King. The homosexual agenda’s biggest aim is to destroy Christianity.

Let no communicant not be aware of this. The Inspector has recently been in communication with ‘Pink News’ comments section. (…purely for research purposes you understand, {AHEM}…). Such is the wailing and despair you’ll find there reminds one of Dante’s Inferno. There are religious gays who post, but there is much vitriol and hate towards the religious, especially public figures. It is almost as if the churches stand alone in their way to prevent a homosexual paradise, or so they seem to believe. Should they ever come to power, expect organised Christianity to be vigorously suppressed…

Jon. The Inspector is a sprightly 52. In his prime, you know. If he was butchered, all expensive cuts, no gristle…

To echo Blofeld’s lament, it’s hard to pick out a single mistake made in the 1970’s (…when this man was a schoolboy…) but one that surpasses even mass alien immigration was the destruction of the grammar school. At a stroke, the natural spawning ground for the elite of the next generation wiped out in a matter of a few years. And for what, so that the brightest and yes, the best, could have the honour of receiving a second class education from second class teaching staff in the same building that the roughs disrupted their own meagre schooling in, before these thickoes obtained a labouring job, the best that hopeless illiterates are ever going to manage.

30 May 2012 at 17:53  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

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30 May 2012 at 19:18  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO READ ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY IN A THREAD THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, YOU CONSTANT DRIPPING!

SO WHAT if almost the entirety of His Grace's posts are about homosexuality (not saying they are, but anyway)? This particular post isn't, so why throw it around in here? Go post it in another thread where it's relevant!

Apologies for the outburst here, Your Grace, but certain aforementioned posts are really bringing the level of discussion and debate to a low at the moment!

30 May 2012 at 19:18  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Youthpasta. The gay uprising will soon be over, and we’ll be tying them to gun carriages for execution. Or was that the Indian Mutiny. Still, no matter, they won’t rise again so quickly...

30 May 2012 at 19:42  
Blogger bluedog said...

Well said Mr Youthpasta.

Is Naomi King any relation of the late Mary Whitehouse? Perhaps Naomi will let us know.

30 May 2012 at 22:07  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

Matthew 7:15-21 springs to mind for some reason. Can't possibly think why!

31 May 2012 at 00:55  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

OiG

"..the destruction of the grammar school." Fully with you on that one, as Ernst was a beneficiary...unlike those forgotten generations raised on socialist bunkum in the classrooms of mediocrity is best...'lets all just give ourselves a medal for showing up today'.

We reproduce our children into a competitive world and do not give them the necessary tools or the correct learning environment to succeed, according to their abilities being nurtured to their peak potential, to make the best of themselves and advance confidently into the world...and we wonder where it all went wrong?!

Ernst

31 May 2012 at 18:43  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Ernst

Don't despair old boy. Every generation faces its challenges and God, acting through people of goodwill, sees us through in the end.

Let's face it - same problems, just different manifestations and forms.

So, chin up and as my hero once said: "Keep calm and keep buggering on".

Dodo, shoulders back that man.

1 June 2012 at 00:23  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Blofeld The schoolboy Inspector remembers walking in and out of the place with a book in his hand. It could have been Animal Farm, or maybe Spike Milligan’s set of reminisces of the war starting with Adolf Hitler, my part in his downfall. or even Billy Bunter. The joy of discovering books ! Mind you, you put the book away if you spotted any of Secondary Modern types in the street. You see, they might have a fellow by the tie, it wasn’t cool to read freely. They only did that in their classroom when they had to.

Damn thickoes. To think an entire well functioning education system was demolished so the parents of those educational morons didn’t have to face the bloody truth, that their children really were academic second raters. Absolute madness ! If the country had any sense, they would have trained them as qualified engineers and technicians, not scholars, for which, surprise surprise, the country is crying out for and we have to import foreigners for the positions, lest the shortage holds back economic development and recovery.

Cloud Cuckoo Crazy, What !

1 June 2012 at 18:19  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Dodo and OOIG

You both miss Ernst's point.

The grammar system had classes by degree of ability..Alpha, A , B , C.
All shared the same excellent tutors except for specialist subjects such as Latin, Spanish, French, Music etc, due to individual choice.

The problem was that there have never been sufficient places in the education system for the one Grammar in a large catchment area..The answer was to build more Grammar schools but now children in underachieving classes can only muse...'Ubi sunt qui ante nos fuerunt'? In dire despair at your predicament, would be the answer, if it was possible they had been taught what 'muse' means.

Ernst

1 June 2012 at 19:07  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

ps

For those inclined to know more, the "Ubi Sunt...Ubi sunt qui ante nos fuerunt," is a motif of lamentation and elegy commonly found in Medieval poetry, and can be examined by comparing its occurrences in Beowulf and The Wanderer and what it means in both.

The reader discovers that 'ubi sunt' is more than a weepy lament over death but at what we had, why it should have been cherished and its eternal meaning to those who know its true value.

It can begin with the voice of a single person, that speaker soon begins to speak for all of us. It derives not out of a fear of death, but a realization that the earth is finite where we are not. The ultimate realization, and perhaps the highest purpose of the ubi sunt in Old and Middle English poetry, is the shift of our gaze from the temporal and earthly to the transcendent, for while we must abandon wealth and possessions when we die, our spirituality can be taken with us to the next life.

Or we can leave our children stuck in the mediocrity of a failing education and simpleton thought, so that nothing matters except where your next alcopop or benefit payment is coming from.

We have failed our young, miserably!

Ernst

1 June 2012 at 19:28  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Ernsty, dear Sir, you missed my point. Never mind; the weather's beautiful.

1 June 2012 at 19:29  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Blofeld. The Inspector is not one to lament over educational crimes past without putting forward his own plan. And here it is – adopt the German educational model in entirety. Haven’t studied it, but here are the facts. German manufacturing base a staggering eight times larger than the UK. The German economy, stronger than anyone else in Europe.

When Rudolph Hess landed in Scotland. There was utter disbelief it was in fact the deputy fuehrer, and secretary of the NAZI party in Germany. It was known that the real Hess had attended Munich university. His initial assessors denied it was him. The reason, “whoever this is, he is not a university type”. For God’s sake, what did they expect, him lighting up a pipe, demanding to be given plus fours and with a tendency to quote Shelley !

No, for far too long, the British educational system has carried along with a thumb up it’s arse. It’s time for a change for the better. To turn out the boys and girls to secure our economic future...

1 June 2012 at 20:58  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Ernsty lamented ...

"We have failed our young, miserably!"

Well, Adam and Eve hardly got us off to a good start! What do you expect? Progress? Not a Whig, are you?

1 June 2012 at 21:23  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Whig?

Ernst is NOT from western Scotland nor were any of his descendents cattle drivers..continental nobility is Ernst's stock, my lad!

However they had some good points on inception ..as being against a RC King and as the elder Pitt put it, as relayed in The Whig Supremacy: 1714–1760 by Basil Williams, "The errors of Rome are rank idolatry, a subversion of all civil as well as religious liberty, and the utter disgrace of reason and of human nature." or Gladstone in his pamphlet entitled Vaticanism: an Answer to Reproofs and Replies. He described the Catholic Church as "an Asian monarchy: nothing but one giddy height of despotism, and one dead level of religious subservience"... but fraid their liberal tendencies got the better of them. Such a shame! ;-P *whiggish chuckles*

Ernst

2 June 2012 at 12:25  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

That's precisely why I queried if you were a Whig? It's a mental attitude that contradicts scripture. The original Whigs evolved to a world view where man improves as his social and cultural circumstances improve. History for a Whig maps out human growth and progress.

2 June 2012 at 21:38  
Blogger Oswin said...

''Children are the future - (pause) - unless we stop them first!'' John Cooper Clarke. :o)

4 June 2012 at 17:29  
Blogger Naomi King said...

O Sirs, you must turn to God—thinking of Him, trusting Him, loving Him, longing for Him, living for Him, delighting in Him! Your aversion must be removed by conversion—God the Holy Spirit will work this in you, but you must become willing in the day of His power. What do you say to this? If you live and die without this turning, you must be turned into Hell! I dare not set before you any other prospect. Would not it be grand news for some of you if there were no God, no Law, no judgment to come, no Heaven, no Hell? It would create in you a sense of liberty, would it not? if you do, indeed, repent, you must pray the Lord to change your whole life. “If any man is in Christ, he is a new creature”—that is the whole of it—you must be new from head to foot, new in every thought and word and deed. The saved man is a creation and none can create him but God. I pray that you may be enabled to say, “I will put my trust in Him.

4 June 2012 at 19:31  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

That's actually profoundly disturbing Oswin. Can't quite make my mind up about you.

7 June 2012 at 00:16  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo: take it up with John Cooper Clarke ... personally, I think he might have something of a point.

8 June 2012 at 01:31  

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