Friday, May 25, 2012

ASA and Lord Smith's (shifting) declarations of interests


His Grace's ASA saga is covered on the top of p3 of this week's Church of England Newspaper. They refer to his 'withering response to the ASA’s demand for a reply' (which they 'later modified to a request for a voluntary response'). In light of this, His Grace's demand remains that the Lord Smith of Finsbury should resign either as Chairman of the Advertising Standards Authority or as Vice President of the Campaign for Homosexual Equality. He cannot do both - not if the ASA seeks to harass and bully those who carry perfectly innocuous advertisements promoting the traditional view of marriage, and entertain that such advertisements might be 'offensive and homophobic'.

The ASA have kindly acknowledged His Grace lengthy contribution to their investigation, which they summarised thus:
‘Archbishop Cranmer’ did not believe that ad (c) would be seen as offensive or homophobic. He pointed out that it merely featured pictures of photos of couples on their wedding day and a quotation from the marriage liturgy, and did not believe any rational or reasonable person would find this offensive. 
And he has been given until 10.00am on 30th May to send them any comments on the factual accuracy of this.

Meantime, His Grace made a formal request to the House of Lords to determine why Lord Smith should need to declare some of his voluntary unremunerated positions in the Register of Members' Interests, but not others. As at 21st May, he listed his interests as follows: 
Category 1: Directorships
Non-executive Board Member, PPL (Phonographic Performance Ltd: Music Performers' Rights Collecting Society) Non-executive Director, Zamyn (international cultural organisation; not-for-profit company, limited by guarantee)
Category 2: Remunerated employment, office, profession etc.
Chairman, Environment Agency Chairman, Advertising Standards Authority Joint author of book "Suicide of the West"; royalties
Category 5: Land and property
Residential property in North-west Scotland, owned jointly with partner
Category 7: Overseas visits
Visit to Los Angeles, 5-11 January 2012; costs of travel and accommodation met by the Getty Leadership Institute
Category 10: Non-financial interests (c)
Chairman, Wordsworth Trust Chairman, Donmar Warehouse Theatre Member, Advisory Council, London Symphony Orchestra Member, Strategy Board, Clore Leadership Programme
Category 10: Non-financial interests (d)
Vice President, Christian Socialist Movement
We are concerned only with his Category 10 (unremunerated) declarations, which may be broken down as follows:
Category 10a Un-renumerated directorship or employment
Category 10b Membership of public bodies, (hospital trusts, governing bodies etc)
Category 10c Trusteeships of galleries, museums and so forth
Category 10d Officer or trustee of a pressure group or union
Category 10e Officer or trustee of a voluntary or not-for-profit organisation
It is difficult to understand why Lord Smith has not declared his vice-presidency of the Campaign for Homosexual Equality under Category 10d. On enquiring, the (very helpful) Registrar of Lords' Interests, Mr Brendan Keith, explained that Lord Smith was an honorary officer of Campaign for Homosexual Equality, and added: 'There is no requirement in the House of Lords to register honorary non-remunerated posts, although in certain circumstances it may be necessary to declare them in e.g. business in the Chamber or in select committee.'

Which is rather interesting when one considers that Lord Smith did think it necessary to declare his vice-presidency of the Christian Socialist Movement, which is also an honorary non-remunerated post. Why should he feel the need to disclose his Christian activism but not his homosexual activism?

It is even more interesting when one considers that he thought it wholly necessary to disclose both to the ASA, which are listed as 'significant non-pecuniary interests'. And even more interesting than that is the fact that Lord Smith's ASA Register of Interests was updated as recently as 12th May, while those of every other ASA officer are dated March 2012. We await (with bated breath) confirmation of what Lord Smith chose to declare to the ASA on that date...

178 Comments:

Blogger AJ said...

I think the 'later modified' refers to the ASA i.e. they initially demanded a response from you, but later modified that position to a request for a voluntary response.

25 May 2012 at 09:01  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms AJ,

His Grace thanks you for clarifying that: he has amended.

25 May 2012 at 09:14  
Blogger Hereward said...

And he has been given until 10.00am on 30th May.........

I don't like their tone.
They are still 'requiring' rather than 'requesting'.
Have they learned nothing from their brush with HG?

25 May 2012 at 09:52  
Blogger Anoneumouse said...

“ASA Register of Interests was updated as recently as 12th May,”

Interesting indeed the 12th May was a Saturday. Do the ASA work on Saturdays?

Are you able to determine when that pdf document was created? (Document properties)

25 May 2012 at 10:26  
Blogger Belsay Bugle said...

Oh dear, Smithy is going to regret tangling with Your Grace!

25 May 2012 at 10:36  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

I think Lord Smith should be grateful that His Grace has not decided to take his theology to task, yet!!!

25 May 2012 at 11:13  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

YP

Ernst has been told of a Socialist Vicar who believed that Christ had come to set up a form of communism but He failed and was crucified but God did not let this deter Him so He passed His instructions onto a prophet called Karl Marx.

Christian Socialism? Perhaps Smith is a prophet of this Christless movement.

A Gospel without Christ..such good news to the unrepentant world. It appears we are able to save ourselves? despite the contrary being on evidence for 2000 years!

E S Blofeld

25 May 2012 at 11:24  
Blogger Philip said...

As for Lord Smith being VP of the Christian Socialist Movement, perhaps this might show something of the "Christian" Socialist Movement's commitment to Christianity. But it's not just a problem on the Left. There are those on the Centre Right who identify as Christian but support Mr Cameron's redefinition of marriage plan. I can't help being sceptical about the relevance of party-political Christian groups (CSM, CCF, and the LD one) for representing Christian truth in their Parties, especially in the key battle-ground issues.

25 May 2012 at 11:43  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
Your Bolg said this; ‘Archbishop Cranmer’ did not believe that ad (c) would be seen as offensive or homophobic. He pointed out that it merely featured pictures of photos of couples on their wedding day and a quotation from the marriage liturgy, and did not believe any rational or reasonable person would find this offensive.
And he has been given until 10.00am on 30th May to send them any comments on the factual accuracy of this.

If they require any confirmation of the factual accuracy that the advertisement did not cause offence nor was seen as homophobic, I am certain that many of your communicants would be more than willing to write testimonial letters regarding these matters. You have our emails or you can request us through the Blog to write to the ASA.

God bless you.

25 May 2012 at 12:37  
Blogger Belsay Bugle said...

What exactly does a Christian socialist believe?
Surely it is an oxymoron? Is the noble lord not involved in another conflict of interest here?

I always thought socialism was about sharing out material benefits via the state taking from those that have (by force if necessary) irrespective of how they got it, to give to those that haven't. Its central belief is that people will be happy and fulfilled if they have riches.

Your Grace, is this approach not antipathetic to the Christian call to the individual and in crucial ways contrary to the Gospel?

25 May 2012 at 12:53  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
I have visited the Christian Socialist Movement web site and their is no mention of a President or Vice President. The policies and aims of the organisation do not seem consistent with having a high profile Gay on their board. Maybe thats why he is not mentioned?

25 May 2012 at 13:09  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace tweeted

"Archbishop Cranmer ‏@His_Grace

Why has @JohnPrescott never had tuition for breath control? #bbcqt" ..because he confuses passion with bluster and breath control requires patience and not having your mouth in 4th gear whilst the brain is stuck in Park with the handbrake on! ;-)

Ernst S Blofeld

25 May 2012 at 13:21  
Blogger Jon said...

Mr Integrity, I don't anyone was worried that you may find the ad offensive, so I'm not sure how your offer helps!

25 May 2012 at 15:07  
Blogger Jon said...

Belsay Bugle said "Its central belief is that people will be happy and fulfilled if they have riches." Surely that's the premise of much of our capitalism too, though?

Many forms of labour (motherhood for example) are undervalued (financially speaking) in our society because they don't create national wealth in the same way that being in a job does (which isn't to say that being a good mother has no value, obviously).

Which would Jesus elevate? An extraordinary stay at home mother, or the same woman who neglected her children and work 14 hours a day in a bank? Now ask yourself which one capitalism elevates.

Perhaps being a Christian socialist is no harder than being a Christian free market Tory?

25 May 2012 at 15:15  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"Perhaps being a Christian socialist is no harder than being a Christian free market Tory?"

Perhaps both positions have been shown as an oxymoron as neither stick to things particularly Christian, do they?

Obviously atheists like yourself have no qualms at being particularly anything except what the hedonist populous of the current time wants, irrespective of consequences?... a strange perceived righteousness based on truly nothing in particular..Sleight over what's Right!

E S Blofeld

25 May 2012 at 15:40  
Blogger Jon said...

Blofeld, I think you've agreed with me there. I just fell off my chair!

I think it depends what's more important to you - your Christianity or your politics as to whether you can square them. It's a question worth posing to Chris Smith, and one I've posed in a roundabout way to His Grace in the past, too.

I don't see what my faith or lack thereof has to do with anything I posted, but since you played the man, I'm not actually an atheist, I'm just not sure anymore. And since I think about it all from time to time (and increasingly as the years press on) I suggest I'm an agnostic.

I also don't think I'm righteous, and I'm certainly not overly swayed by the "populous of the current time". I prefer to think for myself.

25 May 2012 at 16:01  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

So how does Cranmer know whether or not Lord Smith's position with the Christian Socialist Movement is entirely honorary - or more precisely an ex officio position, which the House of Lords rules make quite clear should not be reported?

Does he have inside knowledge of what functions Lord Smith performs within the CSM, or is he yet again just muck raking using his usual standards for evidence?

25 May 2012 at 17:17  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Jon the unsure?

"Blofeld, I think you've agreed with me there. I just fell off my chair!
"
You knew perfectly well I would!

"but since you played the man," Cricketing parlay (...entitles its invoker with free passage to negotiate with a ship's captain until the negotiations are complete. )it's called Ernsty bowling you a' beamer', lad. To see if you are awake and paying attention rather than just swotting wildly at the leather ball. Not designed to hit, just to see how good your footwork is!

"I also don't think I'm righteous, and I'm certainly not overly swayed by the "populous of the current time". I prefer to think for myself." Apologies lad but good for you, thinking for yourself.

Remember.. Do keep your head down and your bat straight and behind the crease at all times and never play across the line. ;-O

Blofeld

25 May 2012 at 17:20  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

I say Archbishop, that’s the spirit ! Throw his Lordship around like an old chewed slipper…

Now, what’s all this Socialist Christian nonsense. Anybody who knows anything about socialism will tell you beliefs are seen as divisive, and have no part to play in a socialist state. And make no mistake, that’s what socialism’s leaders are ultimately after, an equal state, with them in charge. Well, some are more equal than others you know.

Campaigning gays are the best socialists, homosexual criticism being divisive too, so their aim is to describe people as various shades of bi-sexuality. Henceforth, a chap or lady can be 100% heterosexual, but officially, they will come over as 0% bi-sexual. When protestations are made that they want nothing to do with bi-sexuality, it’s off to the socialists re-education centre, or Gulag as we know them. Remember, there is no such thing as a failed socialist, just one who hasn’t been made aware of his or her correct attitude. All hail the state, what !

Rather believe Jesus would have been horrified by man’s socialist jaunts, don’t you think. Just look at all the blood spilled convincing people it’s the best thing for them…

25 May 2012 at 17:29  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Thats it Your Grace, up and at them.

25 May 2012 at 20:22  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

Oh well Cranmers' latest advert goes just too far - he's now pushing drugs on behalf of that temple of middle class decadence M&S. I shall complain to the ASA and insist that any ASA Council member who likes a drink or has boring underwear will have to resign immediately. Cranmer should bury his head in shame.

25 May 2012 at 21:41  
Blogger Anoneumouse said...

@ Tory boy ngu, are you just naturally stupid or have you chosen to be deliberately obtuse?

De tre bukkene Bruse

25 May 2012 at 22:03  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

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25 May 2012 at 22:09  
Blogger bluedog said...

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25 May 2012 at 22:09  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

The 'Christian Socialist Movement' is simply the Labour Party for uncritical christians. Visit its website. No one meaningful word about Jesus Christ. It's mission statement is interesting, reminding me a the Young Socialists pamphlet - another Labour Party organisation 'back in the day'.

25 May 2012 at 22:41  
Blogger bluedog said...

Tory Boy @ 17.17 and 21.41, you really are too silly for words, but here goes.

An ex-officio position is surely one that cannot be avoided, being a consequence of a prior appointment. To make it easy for you to understand this exercise in subsidiarity, consider Her Majesty the Queen. As Queen, she is ex-officio the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. Thus Her role as Queen makes her ex-officio, Head of the CofE, and the reverse is not true. Relating this precedent to Lord Smith, it cannot be said that his role as chairman of ASA Limited makes him Supreme Governor of either the Christian Socialist entity or the Homosexual promotional entity of which he is, Vice-Chairman. Lord Smith's membership of these entities is voluntary and not in anyway, ex-officio.

In this context, the only thing that seems to matter is Lord Smith's actual membership of these entities. It would appear important to distinguish between ordinary membership, in itself implicitly un-influential, and membership by way of being an office bearer, and hence influential. If Lord Smith is an office holder in either entity it seems to this communicant that the position should be declared to the House of Lords.

Reading the curricula vitae of Lord Smith's peers, it seems that most of them are only too pleased to highlight their importance by fully disclosing any and all office-bearing positions they may hold.

However it does seem that Lord Smith is somewhat reticent in this regard. One could suggest that this reticence reflects a charming modesty, others may disagree.

25 May 2012 at 22:58  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

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26 May 2012 at 00:03  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

bluedog

Or, to cut a long story short, he failed to reveal his significant, self sought, position of influence as Vice President of the Campaign for Homosexual Equality. At the same time he declared his 'christian credentials' by registering his role, also self sought, in the Christian's for the Socialist Movement.

In brief, and not to put to fine a point on it, one might think he is deceitful, self promoting and a bit of a knob head.

26 May 2012 at 00:06  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

I think Your Grace may have guarded himself from like molestation in the future, we can only hope.

We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

26 May 2012 at 00:43  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

I'll keep it simple. The more these Homo fascists push their sinful agenda down the throats of the public, the less tolerant I certainly become and I assume it has this effect on others.( when homosexuals were discreet, they were certainly tolerated by most people) You cannot legislate on matters of conscience

26 May 2012 at 10:02  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

@Bluedog
"An ex-officio position is surely one that cannot be avoided, being a consequence of a prior appointment."

And I think you will find that is exactly how Smith became the honorary vice president of CHE - while his position at the CSM was obtained in another manner. Hence he has to report one and not the other per the House of Lords register of interest rules.

And as for anyone trying to argue that Lord Smith was making an attempt to hide his views on homosexuality, religion and gay marriage from anyone they obviously have a tenuous grip on reality. Perhaps they should pay a little more interest about the degree of transparency shown by Cameron, Hunt and co to their interests.

26 May 2012 at 10:18  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

His_Grace RT @VaticanInsider Images of Paolo Gabriele, the pope's butler accused of leaking documents bit.ly/LAeTlx <- the Pope has a butler?

The new board game...Discover the suspect and once laying your playing cards in the lack envelope, the participants shout loudly "Scheiße"!
It was the butler in the chapel with the secret encyclicals..Popedo, set within the grounds of Vatican City!

A developing game of murder/mystery-themed deduction for all the christian family that has engrossed participants for centuries and soon to be released as a Dan Brown book chiller..or is that thriller?.

E S Blofeld

26 May 2012 at 10:20  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

@Bluedog

In future before commenting and interpreting the register of interest rules might I suggest that you actaully read them - you clearly have not.

26 May 2012 at 10:21  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Tory Boy @ 10.21 states 'In future before commenting and interpreting the register of interest rules might I suggest that you actaully read them - you clearly have not.'

Wrong, see rule 10d which appears to encompass an honorary Vice-Presidency of a pressure group. Not for the first time you have drawn an incorrect conclusion from a false assumption.

You may have read the rules yourself, but as for understanding them, obviously not.

26 May 2012 at 10:56  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Ernsty

You live in a peculiar world! Maybe you should try to get out more.

26 May 2012 at 12:23  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Dr Cranmer
Since you asked and Ernsty, in his usual disrepectful manner, poked fun at the question raised, of course the Pope has a personal assistant!

Paolo Gabriele is the Pope's closest private servant - call him a "valet" or "butler", if you prefer. He tends to his personal needs and helps Pope Benedict get through the day.

The Papal household also consists
two private secretaries, both ordained priests, as well as four nuns, who carry out domestic chores for the Pope.

Quite modest when one compares it with other world leaders, don't you think?

26 May 2012 at 12:38  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"Scheiße"!

Ernst Blofeld

26 May 2012 at 12:55  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

Bluedog

There is no rule 10d - that is the section on the register. If you look at rule 81 in the Code of Conduct you will see that it says the following about section 10d on the register

81. The following posts should not be registered: honorary fellowships in colleges and universities; offices in political parties; patrons; ex officio positions in voluntary organisations (for instance, those held by the Lords Spiritual). There may however be occasions on which such interests should be declared.

Given that this is clearly what the Registrar has used for his interpreation as to why Lord Smith's position at CHE did not have to be recorded - I suspect that both he and I are rather better at interpreting (and finding and reading the Rules) than yourself.

26 May 2012 at 13:22  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Popedo and it's characters.

Dr. Aldobrandini - Black Pope. A Black Pope can be made a White Pope and usually are!

The Very Right Rev. Dr. Altings Green. A Distant cast off from England that doesn't know if he wants to be here or not! the procrastinator of the cast.

Professor Wright Plum, The Church Intellectual Giant who says all apes are descendant from Primus Kong and need to repent and he has the bananas and anathemas to make them.

Miss Scarlet De Borgia, the eternal mistress who steers the good ship Vaticanus Terribilus.

Dr. Rattenfratzel - White Pope. A White Pope may well have been a black Pope but cannot become a Black pope after being White. (For an full explanation of the rules please refer as laid out and as defined by Monsignor Groucho Marx "The party of of the first part..." is hereinafter called: "the party of the first part..." and "The party of of the second part..." is hereinafter called: "the party of the second part... in his universally recognised treatise 'Un Notte alla Opera'.

Colonel Claus Von GelbenBerk. A Roman Catholic servant and knight of the order...and orderz which must be obeyed at all timez.

Gabriele Bautista- the Butler, answers to 'You There, with the documents under your shirt'.

E S Blofeld

26 May 2012 at 14:08  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Your Grace,

I just thought you might like to know that the Homosexual Lobby Group c4em is using one off letters from constituents to compile a national data base on MP's. I though MP's might be interested to know what is happening behind this apparently innocent facade.

See www.c4em.org.uk/support-for-equal-marriage

26 May 2012 at 14:19  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Ernsty

Poor chap, have they been messing with your medicine again?

As I suggested earlier, you really must get out more! Ask one of the nurses to push you around the park in this lovely weather. Far better than all this fantasy Vaticana.

26 May 2012 at 15:47  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Dodo

"Ask one of the nurses to push you around the park in this lovely weather."

I would but as you are not party to the first part and I am not party to the second part and we both agree there is no sanity clause and if there is, it is only to keep children quiet until 25/12... I think we have made an accord or at least something to hold old Ernst's baggy trousers up with. ;-O

Ernsty

ps

Sssshhhh. Blithering fool...'Far better than all this fantasy Vaticana (Is this pappardelle with a hearty deviled asparagus-goat cheese sauce?).', else Atlas might hear you.

26 May 2012 at 16:02  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Ernesto di Bloppenpops 14:08
Hilarious Vaticana scenario.
Hey, you know it's a sin to snort that stuff!

26 May 2012 at 17:48  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Cressida

"Hey, you know it's a sin to snort that stuff!" Good Lord, don't say they have even outlawed the O2.

What? Fresh air..by gads I knew they were sticking something in it, bit like McDonalds and KFC do with their stuff.

Atlas, old girl, do tell what it is.

Just enjoying a lovely lazy day in Blighty, before all the Greeks decide that here is the place to be after the euro crashes, especially with the Olympics (topical) on and who can blame them. Might even bring the cost of a lamb kebab down in Croydon..free market etc. A chain of Archimedes Kebab Shops. Eureka!

If our Muslim Frenemies can take advantage of our kindness, why shouldn't Telly, Nikkos and Stavros do likewise.
They at least helped lay the foundations of democracy whereas the other would smash it down, inshallah.

Now the delights of the Eurotrash Song Competition and watching a good few millions thrown down the crapper by the BBC, to further diversity, equality and just plain rub our noses in the plop of how much Europe dislikes us and that we must pay to hear it and see it in 'points' format, for the colonially challenged.. Boom banga bang.

Ernst, my dear Cressida.

26 May 2012 at 19:21  
Blogger Hugh Oxford said...

What a shocking story this is.

Have you any idea why a campaign to defend marriage should come under the remit of the ASA anyway? You're not advertising anything, merely affirming the law.

26 May 2012 at 21:28  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

cressida de nova

Please try not to encourage Ernsty! Goodness only knows the possible consequences. The last thing we need is another Atlas.

He is partial to the odd sniff of glue, under the pretence of tiling floors for his children. This time though the evident lunacy is most likely the result of the hot weather we've been having.

26 May 2012 at 21:55  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Tory Boy @ 13.21, clause 11 of the Code of Conduct states:

'The test of relevant interest is therefore not whether a Member’s actions in
Parliament will be influenced by the interest, but whether a reasonable
member of the public might think that this might be the case. Relevant
interests include both financial and non-financial interests.'

In the opinion of this communicant, being a reasonable member of the public, Lord Smith has failed to disclose a relevant interest. So there.

There was a time when the House of Lords was like the better clubs; no rules were required because all members knew how to behave.

Regrettably it seems that the parvenu peerage now need a code of conduct, which is clearly self-contradictory and a boon to lawyers but not the democratic process.

It's time to dump the entire rotten edifice of the current House of Lords. The United Kingdom must bring in an elected Senate where the prospects of accountability are improved.

26 May 2012 at 22:23  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Dodo

The last thing we need is another Atlas.

That was below the belt. Ernst is nothing like Atlas. Ernst is lucid and accurate in his presentations. He could use some polishing here and there seeing as he is not (yet) Reformed in his thinking. All a part of sanctification. But his systematic demolitions of RC pretensions are certainly enjoyable to read.

carl

26 May 2012 at 22:49  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

No, the last thing YOU need is another Atlas, since when did you become the resident authority around these parts?

There are many that come to this place whom although may not agree with many of my conclusions, know exactly where I am coming from.

Please be reminded as to the circumstances by which our host left this mortal realm the first time around.

Ok, I know your types don't like to read books, most especially ones of great importance, therefore I shall remind you.

He was threatened, persecuted, tortured, and then burnt alive in unimaginable agony indirectly or otherwise by The Roman Catholic Church. Indeed by people very much like yourself. Not to mention what your much beloved Babylonian priest-hoods did to a chap named Jesus Christ and many of his followers.

Given these FACTS it surprises myself that His Grace allows people like yourself and your mates to post here at all.

Therefore stop being so insufferably juvenile. You read more like a mindless school yard bully everyday.

Perhaps feeding human beings to wild animals, burning them at the stake or crucifying them on crosses comes naturally to followers of your particular religion?

However I very much prefer to believe that people like you are not at all representative of Roman Catholics as a whole. Indeed I know you are not, because 4 or my 5 cousins are also Roman Catholics, and they're reasonably intelligent people.

26 May 2012 at 23:17  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Dodo...Ernst's spoof on the Vatican was very amusing and clever. I am sure you had a good laugh when you read it.I particularly liked Miss Scarlet de Borgia who steers the Vaticanus Terribilis (sigh!if only)

You must know that Protestants are raised to hate Catholics(or maybe you don't) I live with an Anglican who has explained all this to me..It is part of Anglican culture
that will never be eradicated


It is a pity Carl does not do humour.
Or maybe the sanctification of Ernst below his belt was his version of it.

27 May 2012 at 00:15  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Dodo...Ernst's spoof on the Vatican was very amusing and clever. I am sure you had a good laugh when you read it.I particularly liked Miss Scarlet de Borgia who steers the Vaticanus Terribilis (sigh!if only)

You must know that Protestants are raised to hate Catholics(or maybe you don't) I live with an Anglican who has explained all this to me..It is part of Anglican culture
that will never be eradicated


It is a pity Carl does not do humour.
Or maybe the sanctification of Ernst below his belt was his version of it.

27 May 2012 at 00:15  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Atlas
Four of your five cousins are Catholics! Really? And descent folk? Well, goodness me. Do you burden them with your flights of fancy or do they know when to make their excuses and politly leave?

As it happens, I know one or two conspiracy theorists and, sadly, they are all quite barking. Guess it takes all sorts.

carl
I can't really comment on the quality of Ernsty's posts. You see I find most of those addressing theological points quite incomprehensible; and he always seems to go quiet when particularly important points are reached. The contradictions in his theology are glaring. If by being "reformed" you mean adopting Calvinism then, I agree, his position would at least be internally coherent. Wrong, unbiblical and a depressing gloomy interpretation of Christ's mmessage, but coherent.

If it be "pretentious" to follow the Church established by Christ and given His authority to lead people to His Kingdom, then Catholics are guilty as charged. All Ernsty does is launch centuries old accusations about the corruption that preceeded the reformation. Hardly a "demolition" or something Catholics are unaware of. Just like we are aware and shamed by the sinners within our midst today. We take solace from the promise of Christ that the Holy Spirit would see the Church through the evils of this world.

27 May 2012 at 00:33  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

cressida

I think carl is amusing and especially so for an engineer, an American and a Calvinist. These are heavy crosses to bear.

27 May 2012 at 00:36  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Cressida

I am in fact widely recognized as a comedic genius. Let me tell you my most favorite joke ever - which I wrote as a matter of fact.

Q: Why can't third derivatives get dates?

A: Because they are jerks!


You may shower me with accolades now.

carl

27 May 2012 at 01:47  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Hugh Oxford said...
"What a shocking story this is.

Have you any idea why a campaign to defend marriage should come under the remit of the ASA anyway? You're not advertising anything, merely affirming the law."

26 May 2012 21:28

Indeed, and it won't be too long before our "liberal friends" will be preventing us in similar ways from proclaiming the Gospel. The devil hates the Good News of Jesus Christ, so beware my friends. We either stand our ground now or we stand our ground later when even more advantage has been ceded to the enemy. There is persecution coming and this will challenge the church and all the compromisers within it; the only difference will be that the persecutors will have bigger teeth than Lord Smith.

27 May 2012 at 06:11  
Blogger Naomi King said...

The Bow Group (the oldest Tory pressure group) finally held it conference on 23rd May entitled "One man. One woman. Making the case for marriage for the good of society".

You will recall it was banned from using a Government-owned premises, the Queen Elizabeth II Conference Centre, for being "inappropriate". Yes, because in Cameron's Britain, merely discussing marriage classic is taboo. Which is why the Law Society a few days back also banned the conference. The lawyers' union claimed that a group supporting straight marriage ran counter to its "diversity policy".

Are we not persecuted already your Grace ? I think you would probably say yes.

So Mr Cameron and his elite buy into the Liberals view that morality is an obstacle to overcome. This is not so with many Tory voters, thank God, who still believe in morality and its benefit for society. A third of Tories have said they would not vote for the Tory party again simply because of his suport for homosexual "marriage". That should be deeply worrying Mr Cameron.

But yet Mr Cameron is doing nothing to counter the suggestion that today, in this country, censorship is rife. You either believe in what the Coalition tells you to believe, or you're banned from speaking out in public. This has been the way in many countries, in many epochs. Incredibly, it is now the way of Britain, 2012.

27 May 2012 at 06:45  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

That'll be the World Congress of Families, an anti-diversity, anti-freedom, anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-contraception, and pro-religious-hegemony political activist organisation, if one adopts the same sort of argot it and its target audience seems to use.

27 May 2012 at 08:35  
Blogger Naomi King said...

No Dan just mild mannered Christians who believe in morality.

27 May 2012 at 09:01  
Blogger Naomi King said...

No Dan, just mild mannered Christians who believe in morality.

27 May 2012 at 09:02  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

@Carl

Widely recognized where? The Calvin Tabernacle Choir does not count. 'Take up thy bed and walk' In modern day speak this means
get a life
ditch the stitch
bin the burdens
stop hankering after electric socket sensations
lose yourself for at lest ten years
on a South Pacific atoll
take up tsunami surfing
Anything

27 May 2012 at 09:14  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Your Grace

You might like to know that this conflict of interest and bias seems to be catching.

Theresa May last night became the most senior politician to back plans to allow gay couples to marry, of which she said she was a strong supporter.

The Home Secretary Mrs May’s, intervention is highly significant as she is the minister leading a public consultation into marriage for gay couples.

My question is how can the junior officials in Mrs May's department prepare an unbiased report of the 1/2 million or so replies to the consultation when their boss has already publicly declared for one side of the argument ?

Home Secretary Theresa May declared her support for the Government's gay marriage campaign in a film for campaign group Out4Marriage part of the c4em group. You can watch the video on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTsXoNkiY3g&feature=player_embedded.

You can see Desmond Swayne MP, David Cameron's PPS on the Out4Marriage website as well and others.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Out4Marriage?feature=watch

27 May 2012 at 09:17  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Mrs May you have to resign, you have totally compromised your position.

27 May 2012 at 09:19  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Cressida

"You must know that Protestants are raised to hate Catholics(or maybe you don't) I live with an Anglican who has explained all this to me..It is part of Anglican culture
that will never be eradicated"

Nothing could be further from the truth. They merely need to repent just as all churches must, If and for departing from the truth.

Ernst

27 May 2012 at 09:50  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"No Dan, just mild mannered Christians who believe in morality."

I'm a very civic-minded atheist and I believe in morality [1] too.

[1] The valid one.

27 May 2012 at 10:24  
Blogger bluedog said...

Come on DanJO @ 10.24, your vision of morality is relative.

Communicant Naomi King sees absolutes.

Therein lies the difference between you.

27 May 2012 at 11:50  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

What's all this guff about needing another Atlas. The very idea ! One is more than enough, in fact a 'luxury' we could do without...

DanJ0. On the question of morality, you do tend to make it up as you go along. Your comments on abortion confirmed that. So what we are in fact talking about are DanJ0's morals. His alone, and thus the morality of one individual equals his amorality. Savvy ?

27 May 2012 at 12:18  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

bluedog: "Therein lies the difference between you."

No, she's almost certainly wrong about the content and I'm almost certainly right about the form of it. That's the actual difference.

The morality she is talking about is almost certainly a pile of crap because it's wholly dependent on a highly speculative god hypothesis. As such, it doesn't even have the advantage of being arguable. Without that specific belief there's no obligation at all.

The Law Society doesn't have to accommodate a bunch of political activists working from a fringe, conservative-Christian agenda.

27 May 2012 at 12:19  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "His alone, and thus the morality of one individual equals his amorality. Savvy ?"

You're as thick as a brick saying that. What's worse with you is that you can't even be arsed trying to follow the morality and ethics of your own self-professed religion. That makes you immoral.

27 May 2012 at 12:23  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Anybody else out there who believes the Inspector falls short of what it is to be Roman Catholic ?

27 May 2012 at 12:32  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Are you a virgin, Inspector?

27 May 2012 at 12:37  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0. The Inspector did specify 'anybody else'.

He has to go out again now, so he'll let the question to the blog run for a few hours. As it stands, on a debate about morals, condemnation by you isn't worth jack. Don't take offence at this, hope you understand...

27 May 2012 at 12:47  
Blogger bluedog said...

DanJO says, 'The Law Society doesn't have to accommodate a bunch of political activists working from a fringe, conservative-Christian agenda.'

And the operative word, calculated to cause both offence and harm is;

Christian
conservative
political activists?

On the other hand, how should the Law Society react to an approach to hire their premises by Lord Smith of Finsbury acting on behalf of the Campaign for Homosexual Equality?

Ticks all the boxes, buy the tee-shirt?

27 May 2012 at 12:48  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "Don't take offence at this, hope you understand..."

No offence taken at all. As your refusal to answer that simple question shows, at best you're a moral pygmy in the scheme of things. You're a complete berk for walking into that one too. Lol.

27 May 2012 at 12:52  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

bluedog: "On the other hand, how should the Law Society react to an approach to hire their premises by Lord Smith of Finsbury acting on behalf of the Campaign for Homosexual Equality?"

Well, that's for them. It's their brand and reputation.

27 May 2012 at 12:55  
Blogger bluedog said...

The Rt Hon. Theresa May, the Minister for Equality, to execute double-back flip with pike from the top of Tower Bridge: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9292266/Ditch-plans-for-same-sex-marriage-voters-tell-MPs.html

27 May 2012 at 12:56  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

DanJ0

The valid one.

How could there ever be an invalid one? In your conception of the universe, an act doesn't have intrinsic moral content. It is assigned moral content by the observer. There can be as many different assignments as there are observers - each assignment being equally valid with the next. An assertion of invalidity implies the presence of some authority to parse between the different observers. You don't possess that authority yourself. You specifically deny it could possibly exist. You can't declare anything 'invalid.' The best you can say is "I don't like it."

One irrelevant collection of carbon makes an assertion about another irrelevant collection of carbon. In the end, they are both dead and no one knows or cares what either said about anything. In the end, they are both just the remnant of a Vogon Interstellar Bypass.

carl

27 May 2012 at 13:07  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

If it were not for the Christian conservative political activists' generosity in giving way to all the other faiths and none and allowing the loony left activists more freedom than is good for them that they've now ended up dictating the agenda and gagging the rest of us who don't hold to their wild, dodgy and communist belief system.

Every time they forbid Christians from speaking or holding a meeting they should think again and remember that if it were not for the gentle accommodating Christians they wouldn't be where they were today. Live and let live is the answer.

27 May 2012 at 14:49  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Carl, you never learn.

27 May 2012 at 16:33  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

carl
Excellent points as always on the absence in DanJ0 World of any objective yardstick for distinquishing between right and wrong.

As for the 'joke' ... well, say no more; please, say no more!

DanJo
What possible business is it of yours whether the Inspector is a virgin? Are you? Have you ever had sexual relations with a woman? Homosexual acts and fumblings do not count - nor activities with animals or inanimate objects.

27 May 2012 at 18:04  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Dodo: "Excellent points as always on the absence in DanJ0 World of any objective yardstick for distinquishing between right and wrong."

Well, there's the law for one thing. Do you really mean 'objective' there? I expect you don't.

"What possible business is it of yours whether the Inspector is a virgin?"

I see Batman has his Robin coming to the rescue again. It's of interest because of the comments immediately before it.

27 May 2012 at 18:24  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

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27 May 2012 at 18:29  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

For today, and just for today, I'm imagining that Allah exists and that proper morality derives from him. As a result, I can declare that most people here are actually immoral and in all probability destinated for Jahannam. Sorry. Say the shahada and save yourselves while you have the chance! :O

27 May 2012 at 18:30  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0. The question at hand is...

Anybody else out there who believes the Inspector falls short of what it is to be Roman Catholic ?

So, after a few hours, and with some notable fellow communicants posting, it's just you then...

27 May 2012 at 19:07  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "So, after a few hours, and with some notable fellow communicants posting, it's just you then..."

Lol.

27 May 2012 at 19:15  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

DanJ0

Carl, you never learn.

It has nothing to do with what i can or cannot learn. I am simply pointing out that you steal concepts you can't justify in order to make arguments you otherwise couldn't make. You do it all the time.

carl

27 May 2012 at 19:26  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Dodo

Famous pick-up lines by Trigonometric Functions:

"Hey, Baby. What's your sine?"

"Oh! Let's find a slope, cuz I want to compute the tangent to your horizontal plane."

"Perhaps we should take our relationship to a new phase."

carl

27 May 2012 at 19:36  
Blogger William said...

Carl

Are you for real? I'm afraid these jokes of yours are just imaginary.

27 May 2012 at 19:56  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

I say chaps, Baroness Warsi in the clear you know. She did hand over the money to some assistant, it just didn't seem to reach the property owner. [AHEM}

27 May 2012 at 20:01  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Carl: "It has nothing to do with what i can or cannot learn."

I said you don't learn.

27 May 2012 at 21:10  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

DanJ0
You failed to answer my question about your sexual experiences. Is there some reason for this reticence?

Inspector
The question you have posed is really a matter between God and yourself - and, if need be, your Priest. Its not a matter for a straw poll on a blog site!

27 May 2012 at 22:40  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Dan Jo et al.
I noted your earlier comments re Cristian Concern/Law Society. The issue is nothing to do with the L.S. choice as to whom they allow to use their facilities but a matter of contract. The facility had been booked for some time, the deposit was paid and their booking was confirmed.

It was only when persons unknown at the Law Society realised the nature of the event, they denied CC the use of the facility.

Sounds very much like the nice gentlemen who wanted a room at a guest house and the B & B owners were found guilty. Where will the Law Society be found? Cetainly it should be breach of contract if not sexual discrimination.

27 May 2012 at 23:30  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Naomi King @ 09:17
You are both right and wrong. It is dispicable that Teresa May should speak as being supportive of the desire to amend the meaning of marriage. However you are unfortunately wrong about the junior staff and the question of conflict of interest. The reason being is that they had made it know from the outset that they would redefine marriage and that the consultation was not as to whether, but as to how the change would be made.

There was a small booklet or something published three days before the election in which it stated the Conservatives Policy re equality on marriage. That is how they are trying to get arround their being no mention in their main manifesto.

27 May 2012 at 23:45  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Dodo: "You failed to answer my question about your sexual experiences. Is there some reason for this reticence?"

Dodo, I suck cocks. Give amazing handjobs. I'm 100% gay as I have said a number of times here. I am unable to get turned on by a woman, it is not a matter of choice for me as I have also said. What is it that you don't understand there, you moron?

I've accused the Inspector of not being arsed to follow the morality and ethics of his chosen religion. He's either sexually immoral or he's a sexual virgin. He characterises me as amoral, following your ignorant lead, yet I have fairly strict morals. They're just different to your off-the-shelf religious ones.

As he's disinclined to publicly embrace his virginity, despite it being a religious virtue in his situation, it looks very much like he's accepting he's immoral instead. Does someone who truly believes in your omniscient god go around tupping women outside marriage? No.

27 May 2012 at 23:57  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Mr I: "The issue is nothing to do with the L.S. choice as to whom they allow to use their facilities but a matter of contract."

Not for the point I was replying to back there. Besides, if they broke their contract then they're liable for damages. As I understand it, they found an alternative venue for the activists anyway so I don't suppose they have much of a claim. Unless they really, really hoped for the added gravitas of the Law Society name in their subsequent trumpeting. ;)

28 May 2012 at 00:13  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Mr I: "There was a small booklet or something published three days before the election in which it stated the Conservatives Policy re equality on marriage."

The one here?

28 May 2012 at 00:20  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Dodo: "What possible business is it of yours whether the Inspector is a virgin? Are you? Have you ever had sexual relations with a woman?"

Hold on. I've just had a gestalt shift. Are you actually outing the Inspector there? Not that it would be much of a surprise, albeit a Ted Haggard rather than a Sir Cliff version.

28 May 2012 at 00:31  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

DanJ0
So, I take it you are a virgin then. And what a limited sexual repertoire. Somethingof the Anne Boylyn about it.

So what if the Inspector has had premarital sex? At least its not a disordered obsession. If he has indulged at least he knows Christian teaching on this, and,I trust, acccepts it and does his best to conform.

This is very different to your boasts of amorality and perverted acts and attempts to justify them as normal. Thank you for disclosing your self-indulgent and juvenile proclivities.

28 May 2012 at 00:35  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Danj0
So how is the Lingam massage performed?

If you were really homosexual you would also be doing a little more than what you claim to do.
Fiddling with male genitalia can't be very satisfying for you? Have you thought about therapy to get over it?

28 May 2012 at 01:24  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

@ DANJO

There are a lot of lapsed Catholics who still regard themselves Catholic in essence. Cultural Catholics is another term to describe them because they adhere to Catholic belief and traditions in most things but many do not on the issues of contraception and divorce As everyone knows it's a one size fits all religion on the the big issues.

It is unlikely that Catholics are virgins when they marry and it is also unlikely divorced Catholics will remain celibate and not remarry or cohabit To commune with the Church, unless they are film stars or royalty who can afford to pay for the annulments of previous marriages they must remain celibate.

I, a divorcee and Catholic did not choose to enter monastic life as recommended by St Paul and opted to live with a spunky Anglican instead.In the eyes of the Catholic Church I am living an immoral existence in sin.I could remarry in the Anglican Church but I could not in conscience do this.

Unlike a lot of Catholics I do not expect the Church to suit my needs so that I can remarry in the Church.A Catholic should understand that the Church is inflexible on certain issues and be courageous enough to take the consequences of actions which excommunicate them

So the question you are asking Danjo is;is a person subscribing to a religion and breaking the rules a fit enough person to question your morals or lack of. The answer depends on the religion and its attitude to sin.
According to Catholicism my sin is bad but not as bad as yours and yours is probably is not as bad as a serial killer.In the Protestant cults they are all of the same value.So no Protestant should criticise you unless they are without sin.Even Saint Dodo is not supposed to be mean to you. So every time he does ... he commits a sin (he will spend more time in Purgatory because of you Danjo:)

If anyone puts a gun to your head and says choose a Christian religion...choose Catholic...there is more scope for being human in spite of Dodo's scary tales than the others and you have the option of forgiveness.

Just for the record I have never met a Catholic like the Inspector. I know people who read Cranmer who are not religious
just to read his comments. They think it's a comedic spoof...they don't believe he is for real.Neither should you.

On a personal note I have not regretted my actions. I do not believe I will be hotting up hell because of it but if I do ,well then I was wrong.At least I have known many years of happiness here on earth with an Anglican.

28 May 2012 at 06:08  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Dodo: "If he has indulged at least he knows Christian teaching on this, and,I trust, acccepts it and does his best to conform."

Does his best? Dodo, indulging in sexual immorality (immoral according to his borrowed yardstick) is hardly like losing one's temper or thinking unpleasant thoughts. Are you using the defence of one of your sexually immoral clergy there: "I tried my best not to molest the choirboy but, well, you know how it is sometimes Bishop"?

"This is very different to your boasts of amorality and perverted acts and attempts to justify them as normal. Thank you for disclosing your self-indulgent and juvenile proclivities."

I don't boast of amorality, quite the opposite really. You're too stupid to understand the difference, I think. Still, I suppose there's some element of virtue, albeit misplaced, in coming to the defence of your fellow papist when he's in trouble. In trouble, again, bless him.

28 May 2012 at 07:07  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

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28 May 2012 at 07:21  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Cressida: "So the question you are asking Danjo is;is a person subscribing to a religion and breaking the rules a fit enough person to question your morals or lack of. The answer depends on the religion and its attitude to sin."

It's more than that. I'm not doing wrong by having sex in a loving relationship, and I wouldn't necessarily be doing wrong if I had hedonistic sex either. The sex act itself is not inherently a moral act, it's the circumstances and the consequences that bring it into the realms of morality. As I see it, anyway.

In essence, I don't put any store in a notion of purpose, in particular divine purpose, of the act itself from which a moral judgement can be made about it.

Compare that with the Inspector who presumably thinks god is looking over his shoulder, in his head, and maintaining the very particles which are giving him pleasure as he ruts. Assuming he's not a virgin, of course, as his religion demands in his situation.

So who's actually doing more wrong there in an abstract sense of it, the person who knows he's doing wrong, or the person who knows he's not doing wrong? The choice is between an immoral person and a moral person, by the own yardsticks, rather than between an immoral person and an amoral one.

28 May 2012 at 07:35  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Mr Integrity said on Archbishop Cranmers blog ( http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=25291932&postID=6466080747112379295&isPopup=true ) that "It is despicable that Teresa May should speak as being supportive of the desire to amend the meaning of marriage."

Indeed it is, in fact it is corrupt.

Democratic government only exists upon the trust that the people have in their representatives, their MP's. Mr Cameron and his Liberal Government have sought to legitimate their pre-decided direction of "overcoming the obstacle of morality" Christina Odone, Daily Telegraph, Friday 25th May ( http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/cristinaodone/100160334/tolerance-but-only-for-appropriate-groups/ ) by this so called public consultation which is currently running.

The people of this Nation are not fools you know, they can see through what is happening. Just like Tony Blair and his 40 minutes from delivery of weapons of mass destruction, this is a lie and it will be the end of Mr Cameron just like it was the end of Mr Blair. Their credibility and reputation never recover.

In a democracy where their is trust in the decency and honourability of MP's, we the electorate are entitled to a free and fair public consultation, not one that has been pre-decided in advance and is simply a fraud.

After all, this is this not the example of democracy that the liberal west is holding up to our arab neighbours as the model to be admired and followed ? Free and fair elections is the cry in the middle east so how about a free and fair public consultation in the UK then ?

As Plato so clearly explained the decent from democracy is into tyranny and that is not where we are going but it is where we already are, with a corrupt Mrs May leading a corrupted public consultation, under a prime minister who has already shown himself not fit to lead.

Again I call on Mrs May to resign her position as untenable. She displays a complete lack of judgment and open open contempt for the electorate in her behaviour. How can she be seen to conduct a free and fair public consultation when she has already, not only declared for one side, but is actually actively campaigning for that side in a partisan way ? How can she now ever be perceived as being even handed in such a situation ? How can the out-coming report from this consultation ever be viewed as true and fair in these circumstances ? Is our Government to be yet further discredited ? If this public consultation is to have any credibility she has to go.

Our reputedly Conservative Government as lead by David Cameron has now completely forgotten or rather has actively chosen to ignore the all the rules of Natural Justice, heaven help them and us.

Again I call on Mrs May to resign.

28 May 2012 at 07:37  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Marie: "If you were really homosexual you would also be doing a little more than what you claim to do."

Blimey. You're not doing that thing that Carl always does, are you? You know, if reality does not suit personal belief ... or in your case prejudice ... then reality must change instead?

How about you then, Marie, being a heterosexual woman and all? You're not married and you claim to be a Christian. Are you sexually immoral (using the Christian yardstick)? Are you doing a little, ahem, more there? Legs behind your ears, shouting "ohhh this sin is such fun", then getting religiously sanctimonious on a forum when it suits? Or are you living like a nun, pursing your lips in your Daily Mail style, and secretly wondering what it's like to have a man inside you?

"Fiddling with male genitalia can't be very satisfying for you?"

It's great when you do it right.

"Have you thought about therapy to get over it?"

Lol. It's a sexual orientation. Have you thought about therapy to get over your homophobia? That's actually changeable, I reckon, though I think you cherish it in the same way you cherish your racism. People like you always need a target, I think. You're actually the messed up one.

28 May 2012 at 07:38  
Blogger Oswin said...

To all sides of the debate: a little less prurience please!

God probably realises a few 'design faults' within the mind/genitalia synapse-thingy.

Christians, 'cultural' or otherwise, let us just get on with trying to improve ourselves, our lives, and our country.

28 May 2012 at 15:39  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0 at 27 May 2012 23:57

I say, steady on old fruit. Do control your natural homosexual nature to display yourself. You’re not in a public toilet now !

There are certain issues a gentlemen would never discuss, do reflect on that. But feel free to speculate in your own (…hopefully unique for this site…) way.

There is a bin icon at the bottom of your post, for the sake of decency, I suggest you click on it…

Cressida. ‘Comedic spoof’ indeed !

Well really madam ! The Inspector is the genuine article, he’ll have you know. Though admittedly, as the song goes, “He’s a man you don’t meet everyday”.

However, his unique genes are unlikely to be passed on as he’s had trouble finding the right woman over the years. Rather hoping his current sweetheart may get herself in the family way for him, but that has {AHEM}, not come up in conversation yet. Ah, can hear it now, the patter of tiny child allowance…

28 May 2012 at 17:32  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Incidentally Cressida, congratulations on getting on with your life the way you do. One knows how difficult it is when others let you down, and we must make the best of the situation. They tried putting the Inspector on a guilt trip, but strong willed man that he is, he resisted it. Instead of crawling around on our bellies, weighed down by sin, the better option is to do one’s best until one drops.

Can’t be doing with these sanctimonious protesting types, yes that’s you Blofeld, and your weasel associate, the scoundrel Len

28 May 2012 at 17:33  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "Instead of crawling around on our bellies, weighed down by sin, the better option is to do one’s best until one drops."

Sounds like you're well on your way to being an atheist there. Once you realise what a crock all that religious stuff is, you can get on with being a moral being as best you can.

28 May 2012 at 18:04  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

OIG

However, his unique genes are unlikely to be passed on as he’s had trouble finding the right woman over the years. Rather hoping his current sweetheart may get herself in the family way for him, but that has {AHEM}, not come up in conversation yet.

Sometimes, I don't know whether you are being serious or not. This sounds serious, and so I will proceed on that assumption with the full realization that I could be wrong. It sounds like you are hoping to impregnate a woman not your wife. If that is an incorrect understanding of what you wrote, then please correct me and all who read this.

Your statement is what you might call an own goal. Don't you understand how the likes of DanJ0 will react to this statement? He will lean back in his chair and smile and say to himself "They don't even take their own sexual morality seriously. Why do they trouble me?" And he would be right to do so. We can't casually accept fornication and illegitimacy even as we condemn homosexuality. We must be consistent.

A Christian approach to sexuality is not a collection of isolated subjects each considered on its own merits. It is a seamless web that stands or falls as one piece. The boundaries are intended to constrain illicit desire. All illicit desire. If we seek to constrain only the desire of others but not of ourselves, then what are we but hypocrites?

carl

28 May 2012 at 18:13  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Carl. The Inspector has never lived with a woman because he objects to ‘shacking up’. His lady has never lived with a man for similar. It’s the ‘honourable estate’ for us, hopefully at a nearby Benedictine Abbey. We are indubitably well matched, wouldn’t you say. Having said that, she has a quarter of a century of independence behind her, and a cat. Rescued thing it is, young and half mad. By no means a foregone conclusion...

DanJ0. You must understand that you are the unhappy chappy on this site. You lack a spiritual side, an emptiness in you. How would you describe it, and have you considered therapy to develop one...

28 May 2012 at 18:38  
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28 May 2012 at 18:38  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Chuckle Brother number 2 stated

Sanctimonious, SANCTIMONIOUS moi?

You old blithering billy-goat. You post in terms of an hypocritical, snarling, sneaky, Tartuffian old iceberg, that gives the opportunistic impression that he is merely waiting to see if a vacancy is due to arise in the unholy Trinity, as Satan is such a keen talent scout..fresh meat and all that!

Well, as the antichrist hasn't arrived as yet and one old devil is supposedly as bitter and twisted as another, Lucifer and the False Prophet may be able to put that single sardonic brain cell to bad use.

Do try to not burn it out by responding too quickly old boy, it's doing the best it can with the materials at hand.

..and do remember to take Dodo with you, old chap, we'd hate to split up such a successful partnership. ;-O

Ernst.

ps

Don't let La Porte de l'Enfer slap you both too hard on the backside once entering..Toodle Pip.

28 May 2012 at 18:40  
Blogger Naomi King said...

These posts by Dan are disgusting but then homosexuality is disgusting.

Here are some quotes from a book which tells in uncomfortable detail the truth about homosexuality and homosexual practice. I commend it to you.

"I have been watching the homosexual movement for the past 30 years and none of it makes rational sense. Homosexuality destroys families; it spreads diseases; it causes young people to kill themselves; it procures small children as sex fodder; it screams abuse at authority and at anyone who has religious belief; it is sexually perverse and often foul-mouthed; it prevents freedom of speech; it is criminalizing morality and everything that protects society."

The author goes on

"Homosexual activists are fascist.
Homosexuality is not natural.
Homosexuality is not safe.
Homosexuality is not normal.
Homosexuals are heterophobic.
Homosexuals loathe the truth.
There is no such thing as an ‘homosexual’.
There is no such thing as an homosexual ‘community’.
There is no such thing as a ‘hate crime’ against homosexuals. Statistically, most paedophiles are homosexual. Homosexuals want open access to children as sex objects. No-one can ever prove the existence of an homosexual gene. All pro-gay legislation is false and must be repealed.

Homosexuality is just a sexually distasteful habit.
Homosexuals can, and do, change back to normality. Homosexuals are not victims, they are perpetrators. Homosexuality is immoral. Homosexuality is stupid.

The majority of people find homosexuality disgusting and weird.
The homosexual agenda is out to destroy relational society. The homosexual agenda’s biggest aim is to destroy righteousness and belief in God. Homosexuality is wicked."

Fascism Revisited - Exploding the Gay Myth - A Time for Truth

by Dr Rob Martyn

28 May 2012 at 18:55  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Good evening Blofeld. Was rather hoping the nursing home had left you out in the sun and forgotten about you. Still, you’re here now, so we must all make the best of it. Perhaps the Inspector was a smidgeon too sharp, as you are clearly annoyed. But even you must admit you come over as a hellfire and brimstone Protestant puritan; the type that causes mothers to cover their children's ears lest the expire from guilt on the spot. And you don’t like RCs which is a disgraceful state of affairs. There you go, your fortune read to you...

All part of the service. Cheery bye.

28 May 2012 at 19:01  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "DanJ0. You must understand that you are the unhappy chappy on this site. You lack a spiritual side, an emptiness in you."

You're projecting, I reckon.

28 May 2012 at 19:06  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

I say Mrs King, well done ! It’s as if this thread has been disinfected. Also to be mentioned is that many homosexuals loathe their predicament. Would have much more sympathy for them all if they kept it all indoors and not trouble society with their demands...

28 May 2012 at 19:08  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Naomi: "Here are some quotes from a book which tells in uncomfortable detail the truth about homosexuality and homosexual practice. I commend it to you."

Jesus H Christ, it's Homophobia Central in full flow.

28 May 2012 at 19:09  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

OIG

a hellfire and brimstone Protestant puritan

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Toodle Pip. ... Cheery bye.

You Brits really need to get yourselves some new expressions.

carl
hellfire and brimstone Protestant puritan

28 May 2012 at 19:11  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Danj0
I've come to the conclusion that the Christian way of no sex before marriage is a sensible and healthy approach to take. It stops the male from taking his pleasure without any commitment so sends all insincere suitors to the hills, and it curbs the spread of disease.

Cressida
It's all very well you enjoying your frolicking in sin with your Anglican now but what if one of you were to die? Not being married to each other means you or any children wont qualify for any inherited pensions or benefits that are based on yours or your Anglicans' contributions, and life insurance wont pay out either. If you love each other you should commit properly.

During my stint in Pensions, I experienced the shock from quite a few women clients, who had not married the man they had lived with for many years, on his death that they were not entitled to anything from his estate as he had not made a will and even then if there is no marriage cert it causes complications.

Inspector I would have thought you would be looking at marriage first before thinking about the patter of tiny feet? Are you a bit of a commitmentphobe at heart or have you been indoctrinated by too much modern day thinking no wonder there are so many single parents.

28 May 2012 at 19:12  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0. The Inspector wasn’t out to score points against you. He lives alone too, plenty of time to consider his place in creation. But come on, your earlier posts putting your ‘skills’ on show like that. Bit of desperation there, not the action of a content fellow...

28 May 2012 at 19:15  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Marie. Excellent post at 19:12

The Inspector would never consider starting a family outside of wedlock.

28 May 2012 at 19:22  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Chuckle Brother no 2

You fail to see the ;-O;-O;-O.

"And you don’t like RCs which is a disgraceful state of affairs."
You are very much off track with that one, my old paint..As CofE and others need to hear the nonsense they spout so must RC's. Seven Churches and all that?! Only fair and sporting, WHAT!

"There you go, your fortune read to you..."
Dear Boy, you are no Prophet but you do bear a striking resemblance to Madam Petulengro. You both couldn't tell squat diddly about the person before you for a tenner but do you both sport absolutely smashing fashionable Lip Hair.

Ernst

;-O

28 May 2012 at 19:24  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Carl. There will be no ‘missing you already’ from this gentleman, thank you very much.

28 May 2012 at 19:26  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Carl: "He will lean back in his chair and smile and say to himself "They don't even take their own sexual morality seriously. Why do they trouble me?" And he would be right to do so."

They don't even take their own sexual morality seriously. Most people know that, I think. For instance, look at the total fertility rates for the typical Catholic countries in Europe. It's reminiscent of the Muslim culture in Morocco, no alcohol in public, and opprobrium from everyone for breaches, but a roaring trade behind the scenes.

I think I know why many on-line Christians are so obsessed with homosexuality though. It's so they have get a lot of their inner evil out of their system away from the view of their local community. It's hate the sinner, hate the sin online. Then, on Sunday, they can put on their fake Church faces and pretend to be good Christians to each other.

28 May 2012 at 19:28  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Carl

You Brits really need to get yourselves some new expressions.

It was good enough for Bulldog Drummond, its good enough for old Ernst.

Ernst, you cheeky colonial upstart you.

28 May 2012 at 19:28  
Blogger Naomi King said...

This is only for those with a strong stomach but Dr Martyn goes on...
"There are several main types of homosexual activities:
1. Oral sex. This is the primary method used, and it involves swallowing sperm. Because semen contains many of the germs found in blood, eating it is essentially the same as drinking someone else's raw blood. This is a very unhealthy, dangerous practice. The penis is often infected, and has often been placed in another person's rectum.

As a result, oral sex leads rather quickly to hepatitis A, gonorrhea, HIV, and/or hepatitis B, unusual cancers, and more.

Because they have sex with so many different people (over 70% admit that, with over half their partners, they have had sex only once [A. Bell & M. Weinberg, Homosexualities, p. 18], the risk of infection is quite high. Gays average between 10 and 110 partners per year).

2 Rectal sex. About 90% of gays have done this (New Engl J. Med., 1980, 302:45-48). About two-thirds do it regularly. The rectal lining is only one cell thick, and semen readily penetrates it, transmitting AIDS and other diseases. It is quite common for the rectal wall to be torn, which causes direct rectal infections, plus transmitting hepatitis B, HIV, syphilis, gonorrhea and other diseases. (Editor: rectal sex is a primary cause of spread of HIV. It is just as immoral in heterosexual sex).

3. "Fisting". The insertion of the fist, hands and whole forearms, bottles, carrots, and even live gerbils [C. Adams, The Reader, Mar 28, 1986] is also done. This not only increases contamination, but can result in a person having to wear a colostomy bag and diapers for the rest of his life. By 1977, over a third of gays admitted to having done it. By 2005 – far more do it!

4 Faecal sex. Oddly enough, those who enter upon homosexual activities like to eat human manure, and spray urine in one another's face! There is supposed to be happiness in doing this. (Editor: This is not odd at all. It is the result of following a depraved lifestyle and sin to its bitter end).

Faecal sex involves licking the anus and/or eating faecal matter. In a diary study, 70% of gays had engaged in this (and half regularly) in the previous 6 months (New Engl J. Med., 1980, 302:45-48). (Editor: I have observed this behaviour – eating faeces – only in mentally deranged patients, who also have many other bizarre and obnoxious habits).

The result is hepatitis A, a dangerous liver infection. In addition, certain enteric parasites enter the body (the medical term for the infection is "gay bowel syndrome").

Eating faeces also results in typhoid fever, herpes, and cancer. One study found that 10% of the gays with some of these infections (including amoeba, giardia, and shigella) "were employed as food handlers in public establishments" (New Engl J. Med., 1980, 302:45-48). (Editor: For these reasons I will not eat with homosexuals, or eat food they have cooked, prepared, or served, or otherwise handled. Anyone who reads this and throws caution to the wind is insane! That goes for all who are pro-gay, whether politicians, doctors, lawyers, law-makers, etc. Remember – it is YOUR mouth organisms are passed into! And, what about old people’s rest homes, or children’s hospitals, etc., who employ gays? Ever wondered why there are so many stomach ailments? Do you now want to eat at a gay’s house or eatery?).

A January-June 1991 CDC report found that 66% of the hepatitis A cases in New York were gays. Rates for other U.S. cities were comparable (CDC Report, MMWR 1992, 41:155-64). A 1982 study noted that gays are spreading hepatitis A to the general population. Let us all give thanks to them!"

Continued on next post

28 May 2012 at 19:30  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "But come on, your earlier posts putting your ‘skills’ on show like that. Bit of desperation there, not the action of a content fellow..."

That was mostly for Dodo, he loves that sort of stuff. He's already laid his foundation for talking about sex with animals again. It's titilating for him, I think. In fact, even the word 'titillating' probably increases his tumescence.

28 May 2012 at 19:31  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Blofeld. You deserve to be kicked downstairs :–)

28 May 2012 at 19:32  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Do all listen to Johann Pachelbel's Canon in D Major and chill.

Ernst

28 May 2012 at 19:33  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0. Never known so much ‘denial’ since a certain cock crowed three times...

28 May 2012 at 19:34  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Hopefully, the silent reader is well onto Naomi's homophobia now, and her passive-aggressive style with it.

28 May 2012 at 19:36  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Continued from previous post from Dr Martyn's book, Fascism Revisited - Exploding the Gay Myth - A Time for Truth...

"5 Urine sex. The largest gay survey to date found that 23% drank, or splashed one another with, urine. This adds to the rate of infection from various diseases. Their "pleasures" are utterly weird. (Editor: Can you now see why homosexuality was once classed as a mental disturbance? Nothing has changed, so it should be placed back into the ‘mental’ classification).

A San Francisco study of 655 gays summarized the above practices: 5% drank urine, 7% did "fisting," 33% ate faeces, 53% swallowed semen, and 59% received semen in their rectums, during the previous month alone (Amer. J. Public Health, 1985, 75:493-496). (Editor;; THIS is ‘normal’?? Pro-gays should ask themselves why they would wish to shake hands with, or eat the food of, gays, when one third of them eat faeces and over half drink semen! If this is normal, I hope you all enjoy the organisms you take in from your friends. Can YOU tell which one third of your gay associates do these things?)

(Editor: February 2002. health.NSW.gov.au: Health experts in Australia warned homosexuals to get vaccinated against hepatitis A before the infamous Mardi Gras revelries began. Why? Because of their appalling sexual habits. Faecal contact was especially mentioned as a cause for the rise in infections! Have a great Mardi Gras – eat faeces and drink semen!

A case control study (med.monash.edu.au), to be undertaken by Monash University wants to quantify infection by Cryptosporidium in homosexuals, which leads to early death as well as horrid symptoms. One of the biggest factors is – faecal ingestion (oro-faecal contact). This disease occurs in men who already have HIV! Thus, not only do they have a total lack of morality, they also add to their maladies by indulging in even more sexual perversions! [Euphemistically called ‘faecal exposure during sex’!]. It is sufficiently common amongst gays, to be mentioned in travel health material. Contracting this bug accidentally by poor hygiene is one thing – deliberately eating garbage is quite another, deserving only of disgust and shunning!

Many young people think oral sex is okay. But not if the ones indulging already have a disease, or have anal sex! (unesco.org). Oral sex can transmit HIV just as easily as anal sex! Of course, homosexuals will not advise their young victims of the risks. Why not? Because they simply don’t care.)

The Seattle sexual diary study reported that, in one year, just one gay fellated 108, swallowed semen from 48, exchanged saliva with 96, penetrated 68 anuses, and swallowed faecal matter from 19 others (New Engl J. Med., 1980, 302:45-48)."

Continued on next post

28 May 2012 at 19:37  
Blogger Naomi King said...

And lastly

"Now you can understand why homosexuals get sick and die far more quickly than nearly any other group of people in the nation! The fear of AIDS has hardly reduced the amount of gay activities or varied contacts. (Editor: Latest figures show that gays are increasing their riskiest activities, mainly thanks to pro-gay supporters and pro-gay laws, whilst demanding equal health cover and state benefits!)

(Editor: eurosurveillance,org: There was a 187% rise in syphilis amongst homosexuals in Wales, copying similar outbreaks in London and the North West of England. Yes, that’s right – 187%!! Gonorrhoea cases rose by

20%. The increases amongst gays is very much higher than amongst heterosexuals. What a surprise! It was noted that the greater the number of STD’s, the higher the incidences of HIV. Another disease, Shigellosis, is also increasing amongst homosexuals. Oro-anal contact is again implicated.)

Surveys reveal that between a third to a half of gays do it in public restrooms; 45-90% in gay bathhouses, and 45-90% also use illegal drugs (K. Jay & A. Young, The Gay Report; P. Gebhard & A. Johnson, The Kinsey Data, p. 17).

The public health bill for treating people who invite such infection is enormous. Guess who pays it? This is a massive healthcare problem.

(We will not discuss the political ramifications of the Gay Rights Movement, but they are demanding fuller medical coverage and more legal rights to have sex in the military and with underage children). (Editor: Ultimately, all this will send our tax and health cover bills rocketing).

(Editor: This, pro-gays, is what you are voting to give freedom to. This is what you are inflicting on society with your liberalism. AIDS is eradicated if homosexuality is eradicated)"

taken from Fascism Revisited - Exploding the Gay Myth - A Time for Truth

by Dr Rob Martyn

28 May 2012 at 19:38  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "DanJ0. Never known so much ‘denial’ since a certain cock crowed three times..."

Again, projection. You're almost certainly a closet gay man and a self-hater with it given your Catholic upbringing. Your output here screams it from the rooftops. You're a local Ted haggard.

28 May 2012 at 19:39  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Struth ! Someone give gays their own homeland !

28 May 2012 at 19:40  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

I think my job here is almost done. ;)

28 May 2012 at 19:41  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Or Dan do you mean the truth has been said and you have been rumbled ?

28 May 2012 at 19:48  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

28 May 2012 at 20:01  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Naomi: "Or Dan do you mean the truth has been said and you have been rumbled ?"

Rumbled? How so?

No, it's an old technique for dealing with certain types of online Christians. Completely refuse to be cowered by claims of immorality and talk openly about the sex, perhaps verging on vulgarity in doing so. It drives the homophobic Christians mad online. It's like scratching a boil. Scratch it enough and the thing bursts, weeping pus all over the place. The religious boil may just look a bit angry and red on the outside but, oh boy, the spiritual putrefaction inside is hideous. Better out than in though. At least everyone gets to see what the angry redness hides underneath.

28 May 2012 at 20:02  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Gay boil is it ?

28 May 2012 at 20:03  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Cressida de nova

Saint Dodo, indeed!

I lived with a woman in my late teems/early twenties for several years. I'd have happily married her too and raised a family but her interests lay elsewhere. In my heart I was married. If we had married in Church I would now be a divorced man and, truthfully, do not know how I would have reacted. I thank God this trial was never placed in my path.

I know many Catholic couples who are divorced and remarried. A good few attend Mass and participate in Parish life. Not one receives the sacraments. All accept the Church's teaching as representing the will of God. They made mistakes in their lives, they regret their first marriage, civil divorce and civil second marriage; they have hope and faith that God will understand.

29 May 2012 at 00:29  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

DanJ0

You really are one sick little puppy!

Your obscenities and that post at 07:35 sums up your lack of morality and any basis for a sexual ethic.

"The sex act itself is not inherently a moral act, it's the circumstances and the consequences that bring it into the realms of morality."

As defined by who? We know how personally dangerous homosexuality is - psychologically,, emotionally and physically. Yet you want it normalised and taught to children.

"So who's actually doing more wrong there in an abstract sense of it, the person who knows he's doing wrong, or the person who knows he's not doing wrong? The choice is between an immoral person and a moral person, by the own yardsticks, rather than between an immoral person and an amoral one."

That is pure Kafka! If you think its not wrong then its less immoral who someone who its wrong but gives into temptation, knows this, repents and seeks forgiveness? The key clause being "by the own yardsticks".

Amorality is not acceptable just because you have no morals.

29 May 2012 at 00:40  
Blogger Kinderling said...

Completely refuse to be cowered by "claims of immorality"...

The audacity of hope that no one is looking into the statistics.

Oklahoma O-Ring anyone?

The alcoholics who drink their own sick to get a high.

29 May 2012 at 01:46  
Blogger Oswin said...

I may have to 'Section' the lot of you, one day soon.

29 May 2012 at 02:31  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Dodo: "You really are one sick little puppy!"

As long as I'm very different to you, I've a fair chance of being right and good in the scheme of things.

"Your obscenities and that post at 07:35 sums up your lack of morality and any basis for a sexual ethic."

I have both of course. What's more, I'm actively responsible for both and it's a living view I have which is constantly reassessed. But what about you? You've bought an off-the-shelf religion from a morally-bereft organisation with a long history, including up to the modern day, of evil. You've taken the easy way out: a dusty, anachronistic, lazy way of thinking. Shame on you.

"As defined by who? We know how personally dangerous homosexuality is - psychologically,, emotionally and physically. Yet you want it normalised and taught to children."

We know no such thing and I don't want it 'taught' to children at all. What a mendacious crock. Typical of the demonstrable liar and moral pygmy that you are here, as shown amongst other things by your use of multiple concurrent fake IDs. You have no high ground at all. You ought to be too ashamed to post here but you've no real moral substance to you.

"That is pure Kafka! If you think its not wrong then its less immoral who someone who its wrong but gives into temptation, knows this, repents and seeks forgiveness? The key clause being "by the own yardsticks"."

Dodo, I realise you've been abused through being indoctrinated and head-fecked and guilt-tripped throughout childhood by your religious manipulators but you and I both know what's going on with that sin, confess, sin, confess thing your sort of religious perverts indulge in. It's of a different order to the real sense of it that normal people go through when they've done stuff they're ashamed of, and who seek to make amends.

"Amorality is not acceptable just because you have no morals."

Of course I have morals and ethics. You know that at some level of course, though you're too dim to thinking it through properly. It just makes you feel better to imagine you're somehow moral and others aren't because they have different morals to you. Again, that's a distortion perpetuated by your corrupt and perverting religious organisation to try to maintain its hegemony.

29 May 2012 at 06:39  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Incidentally, I recommend reading that Dr Rob Martyn ebook that Naomi is block cut and pasting in her usual style. The style of the writing and some of the jaw-dropping stuff he writes, together with the sort of religious website which is promoting it, is highly indicative of the sort of 'Christianity' these fringe conservative-Christians champion from their black, stony hearts.

29 May 2012 at 06:49  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

I trust people are following this story of the shenanigans at the very top of the Catholic Church, too. Fascinating in its own way, though hardly surprising.

29 May 2012 at 06:55  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Ouch! Dr Martyn touched a nerve, didn't it !

29 May 2012 at 07:03  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

That's an, erm, interesting take on my suggesting the silent reader actually googles the source and reads it. Just skim-reading it will suffice. It has about as much power to touch a nerve with me as some of the promotional material from the BNP does. That you have it to hand and promote it is highly indicative, I think. If most Christians were like you then I reckon Christianity would be a pariah religion.

29 May 2012 at 11:45  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0. No more visits to the gay sandwich shop for the Inspector ! And as for meals in gay bars...

29 May 2012 at 17:41  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "DanJ0. No more visits to the gay sandwich shop for the Inspector ! And as for meals in gay bars..."

Why? Have you found a boyfriend at long last? Congratulations if so. You'll wonder why on earth you spent your life living alone in the closet, mark my words.

29 May 2012 at 17:48  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0, have a care. Browsers might think the Inspector is that way inclined. No, he merely wishes to avoid the fate of typhoid Mary’s victims.

Still on your own ? Having an aversion to sodomy can’t help if you’re a gay man, but never mind, aim for a chum in his fifties or sixties. You won’t be badgered daily that way, so the Inspector understands {AHEM}...

29 May 2012 at 18:10  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "DanJ0, have a care. Browsers might think the Inspector is that way inclined."

It's nothing really to do with me. You encourage the Ted Haggard comparison yourself.

29 May 2012 at 18:18  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Dear Inspector

How interesting that you should make this point about Typhoid Mary and eating in homosexual run restaurants.

"As if to add to this massive public health problem, gays frequently work in restaurants; and, every year, a quarter or more of homosexuals visit another country; there to infect still more people - and bring back - new ones to America (J. Amer. Med. Assoc., 1984, 251:1444-46; Geni=ADtourin Med., 1994, 70:12-14). (Editor: It is the opinion of Dr N from the UK, that if we trace statistics backwards, using the UK figures as evidence, and its early pattern of spread, that AIDS in Africa was initially caused by homosexuals. When you note the obnoxious and unnatural sexual habits noted above, it is easy to see how this can have happened). (Editor: Be careful who cooks and serves food!)

Most of the Americans who got AIDS from contaminated blood transfusions (6,349 by 1992 alone) received it from gays. It is known that gays like to sell blood. Health care workers are at greater risk in caring for such people. As of 1992, over 100 had been infected with AIDS by gays in medical settings (CDC HIV/AIDS Surveillance, Feb 1993). Tuberculosis and new strains of other diseases are also moving into the general population from gays (S.W. Dooley, J. Amer. Med. Assn. 1992. 264:2632-35). Those housed with gays in homes, hospitals, etc., are also at risk (Ibid). (Editor: Which is why many health workers refuse to care for infected gays. They say they do not want HIV themselves and do not want to put their families in danger. Many leave nursing rather than treat gays).

"Aids has already led to other kinds of dangerous epidemics... If AIDS is not eliminated, other new lethal microbes will emerge, and neither safe sex nor drug free practices will prevent them" (Dr. Max Essex, chairman of Harvard AIDS Institute, Testimony before House subcommittee, Feb. 24, 1992). (Editor: This, pro-gays, is what you are voting to give freedom to. This is what you are inflicting on society with your liberalism. AIDS is eradicated if homosexuality is eradicated) "

taken from Fascism Revisited - Exploding the Gay Myth - A Time for Truth

by Dr Rob Martyn

29 May 2012 at 18:38  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

First rate Mrs King, these types might be brought down by health and safety yet. Can easily see them becoming a pariah group. What do you think DanJ0 ?

29 May 2012 at 18:50  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "What do you think DanJ0?"

This could be your time to dust off your Gay Agenda thingy again. Or perhaps give The Protocols of the Elders of Zion an airing. Or maybe you could blame the "Lesser Races", as you call them, for something or other. I think you and Naomi should have the floor on this sort of stuff.

29 May 2012 at 19:10  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are fraudulent, but we’ve already discussed this. Now, it’s the ‘lesser races’ who murder women and children, and plant car bombs that kill thousands, and of course fly airliners into sky scrapers. Then there is mugging, rape, drugs and robbery in this country. Doesn’t feel right does it. We should all be equal, that’s what the socialists tell us, but manifestly we are not. God eh, fancy favouring some peoples above others, but we know he did this with the Jews. Not very PC our creator, is he ?

Oh, almost forgot. The lesser types hang your lot. Still, that's life {CUE ESTHER RANTZEN...}

29 May 2012 at 19:40  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

DanJo

As I said, you're one little sick puppy. My morality is based on the Bible and on Christianity - alongwith with billions of other people. Yours? Made made to justify and defend perversion.

And, as for lying, don't you understand that normalising homosexual sex and behaviours means giving it equal status in sex education? This means teaching these peculiar, unnatural and obscene practices to the young.

29 May 2012 at 20:13  
Blogger HampsteadOwl said...

AN OPEN LETTER TO CHRIS SMITH

Dear Lord Smith,

Thank you for your letter of 25th May in response to mine of the 17th.

I hope you do not consider this “open” reply to be discourteous, but I see no particular need for us to continue to engage in private correspondence on matters that are of public concern. Besides, I do not especially think you need to reply to my further comments, although I do hope that both you, and the ASA, will bear them in mind for future reference.

On the question of the ASA’s heavy-handed treatment of “Archbishop Cranmer”, it seems to me that you have admitted at least partial culpability here, and I have no further comment to make.

On my other point, however - that the ASA should not even have entertained the proposition that the C4M adverts were, in themselves, offensive and/or homophobic - your letter is silent. It may be that you disagree, though why don’t you say so? Or perhaps you are coming round to recognising the vulnerability of the Authority's position, but cannot admit as much.

The ASA is always going to have a problem with adverts on behalf of causes or campaigns that are political and/or controversial. Clearly you cannot allow people who oppose the cause or campaign to use the ASA as a battering ram for their opposition. Presumably therefore you must have a mechanism for dealing with politically-motivated “complaints” of this type at source. The question that will need answering in due course is why this mechanism did not function in this instance.

The problem for you personally is that your own prominent support for same sex marriage, and for the cause of homosexual equality more generally, has led Cranmer and others to suggest that this was the motive for the ASA taking up the complaint. Whether or not their concerns are well-founded, they are plausible and therefore the ASA is going to find itself with a lot of explaining to do.

It is also going to be extremely difficult for the ASA now to reach an untainted judgement on this matter, notwithstanding your statement in your letter to me that you will play no part in the decision or in the process leading up to it. I am sure that, as an honourable man, you will hold to this. However, I do not know, and cannot know, what part, if any, your influence as ASA chairman has played in bringing us to where we are already.

It seems to me to have been negligent on the part of the ASA to allow this situation to arise. It must have been obvious, given your own prominent role on behalf of homosexual equality, that the Authority was going to have to tread extremely carefully dealing with a complaint pertaining to the alleged “offence” caused by adverts on behalf of the Coalition for Marriage. I am surprised, for your own sake, and for the sake of the important function the ASA exercises, that steps were not taken to place you beyond any suspicion of influence in this matter.

I do not agree with Cranmer that you should have to resign either your position at the Campaign for Homosexual Equality or your ASA chairmanship to avoid a conflict of interest. Other steps can, and should have been, taken to remove such a conflict. However, the extremely awkward position which the ASA has walked itself into was predictable, and avoidable, and perhaps you need to consider who should be held accountable for that.

29 May 2012 at 20:13  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

OIG

Now, it’s the ‘lesser races’ who murder women and children, and plant car bombs that kill thousands, and of course fly airliners into sky scrapers. Then there is mugging, rape, drugs and robbery in this country.

Would the 'lesser races' include the Germans? You have heard of Sonderkommandos, right?

OIG, DanJ0 isn't arguing with you. He is deliberately provoking you to get you to say these things. He is getting you on the record for the silent reader. And you are playing right into his hand.

carl

29 May 2012 at 20:19  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Carl, the Inspector knew his post would have you ‘a-running to the keyboard’ as you would say in the USA. It’s a difficult thing, race. They say death is the last taboo in civilised company, but thems that do have never considered race as a dinner table topic.

The Inspector is well aware of DanJ0’s strategy. When he’s scraping around around for a retort, out comes that Zion thing for some reason, always accompanied by a secondary dig. You do realise that he frequents this right wing Christian blog daily because unconsciously he’s hoping for acceptance of his lifestyle. He never gets it and never will, but that doesn’t stop the eternal hope in his heart. Of course, he will deny this, and at one time the Inspector considered him purely a place man from Stonewall. Rather amuses the Inspector that he’s actually becoming contaminated with decent conduct and we may see a new DanJ0 some years from now...

29 May 2012 at 20:34  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Owl, powerful. Good man...

29 May 2012 at 20:37  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Dodo: "My morality is based on the Bible and on Christianity - alongwith with billions of other people. Yours? Made made to justify and defend perversion."

Oh c'mon, you don't need to pretend with me. You just wear your morality like a fancy cloak so you can shrug it off whenever you like. Underneath you're a moral degenerate, it's obvious from the way you behave here. That's the thing with Catholicism, it really appeals to people like you because you can look sheepish when you're caught with your pants down and offer a few Hail Marys to get people off your back before doing it all over again.

"And, as for lying, don't you understand that normalising homosexual sex and behaviours means giving it equal status in sex education? This means teaching these peculiar, unnatural and obscene practices to the young."

I don't, no. To me, it means something a bit like teaching kids that there are people around who believe gods get nailed to trees, or people get reincarnated when they die, or that angels dictate books to illiterate men in order to start a new religion. It's just awareness and it's a Good Thing in a diverse society. Except, of course, to people like you who want deny people their freedom and autonomy.

29 May 2012 at 20:55  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

OIG

Race isn't a difficult thing. It's an arbitrary thing. It has nothing to do with character. I have two daughters. Should I object to my daughter marrying a black man simply because he is black? If he is a brother in Christ who loves my daughter and will faithfully keep his marriage covenant, then I would be a fool to object. People pursue the vanity of grandchildren who possess a physical resemblance. Racial difference distorts that desired image. People should instead seek after a spiritual resemblance that is eternal instead of a physical resemblance that decays and dies. Neither the color of a man's skin nor the shape of his nose have anything to do with a man's character.

When you make statements like this, you let DanJ0 imply that people who oppose the normalization of homosexuality also consider black people or Arabs to be a 'lesser race.' This is not a Christian position. It is not a Scriptural position. It is not a rational position. It is not a scientific position. It is simply preening that flatters the ego of the white man because he can presume himself racially superior. You should put it away.

carl

29 May 2012 at 21:57  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

DanJo

Oh dear, running uot of arguments aren't you. Normalising homosexuality means teaching children about homosexual activity. Imagine in the 'brave new world' a teacher who refused to discuss these acts. How longbefore the homosexual lobby was on his back (so to speak)?

And you are truely ignorant of Catholicism for an alleged God parent. Afraid if you did understand it you'd see the error of your ways?

29 May 2012 at 22:04  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Ps

And, for the record, you're actually a nasty piece of work too, despite all your attempts to play the 'misunderstood philosopher'.

29 May 2012 at 22:06  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Carl, The Inspector has never been in favour of mixed race marriage. Unfair on the children you know. Take Bob Marley, and the trouble he had with the ‘brothers’. No, a parent should make it clear to a child the problems, and that there are plenty more fish in the sea. The child owes it to their future children.

The problem with race is that it’s used as a general term. Take the UK. There are thousands of Pakistani and Indian doctors practicing here, and fine fellows they are. Then again, because of this arranged marriage nonsense, we are seeing immigrants who not only don’t speak English, but can’t even read or write their own language, for God’s sake. Immigration should be subject to an IQ test, fail it and you’re not in. You’re no use to us. The UK isn’t a damn ethnic dumping ground, although it seems to have been used that way for decades now...

So, the Inspector is not a racial supremist after all, just a pragmatic fellow...

29 May 2012 at 22:20  
Blogger bluedog said...

Hampstead Owl @ 20/13, well said.

The two funding entities ASBOF and BASBOF appear to be the ultimate holding entities of ASA Ltd and where the power lies. It was reported by communicant David that Lord Smith was appointed as Chairman of ASA Ltd by these entities.

It therefore follows that any sanction on Lord Smith's activities will come from the controllers of ASBOF annd BASBOF. Harvard Business School maintains that we go in to business to institutionalise our values, and we now know that ASA is a business, not an Authority in the common usage of the term. It follows that the Chairman of ASA Ltd, Lord Smith is responsible in the first instance for the values and reputation of ASA Ltd. If Lord Smith acts in a manner likely to put the good name of ASA Ltd at risk, it is the task of his appointers at ASBOF and BASBOF to discipline him. The attack on His Grace and attendant publicity, all of it negative for the reputation of ASA Ltd, must have raised questions in the minds of some officers at ASBOF and BASBOF about the path being taken by ASA Ltd under Lord Smith.

At present, Lord Smith is a first offender, and would possibly be dealt with by 'a quiet word, if I may'. Certainly ASBOF and BASBOF would be entitled to know why ASA Ltd launched an investigation after such a very small number of complaints. We still don't know who this select group of extremely influential complainants is.

Any further embarrassment may lead to heavier sanction. Of course, if Lord Smith and possibly his complainants become frustrated that ASA Ltd cannot be freely used as a tool to promote homosexual 'equality' and other progressive causes, it may be that he will resign anyway.

29 May 2012 at 22:24  
Blogger Kinderling said...

Relationships with God and Man take on an unhealthy fixation. The outer becomes the inner, and we are forced to bow down to them.

I agree therefore with Danjo to take homsexuality out of health education in to Religious Education, (which children should only start when they have the critical faculties to laugh at dysfunctional behavior).

Human instincts are to bond and protect their offspring. The concept of detached-sex, only occurs when there is resentment and to never be hurt again. I once observed a woman who divorced her husband for adultery and went on to have casual relations with married men. Getting her own back raised her libido and pride to be more equal than them. But then that is the route to Socialism whilst inferior males have their comfort in NationalSocialism.

Such are the rapists of all things noble that started in bedrooms.

29 May 2012 at 22:41  
Blogger Kinderling said...

The Inspector has never been in favour of mixed race marriage.

So you agree all those 4% Neanderthal should be culled?

Studies around the world have shown one thing about children - they should be loved by their two parents.

If the Chinese Asians flooded over, you would be crying for positive discrimination for "Whites" or else let the course of Natural Selection breed you to extinction and the world be a brighter place. Such are the simplicities of these arguments.

It is not IQ you should be comparing to yours, because acquiring intellect is the first thing a fallen creature holds onto, but envoriance.

29 May 2012 at 22:57  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Your Grace

Take heart in your dealings with Lord Smith and the Advertising Standard Authority (pity they don't have any standards themselves). As the Good Book says
so let all thine enemies perish, O LORD: but let them that love him be as the sun when he goeth forth in his might (Judges 5:31).

30 May 2012 at 05:05  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Carl: "When you make statements like this, you let DanJ0 imply that people who oppose the normalization of homosexuality also consider black people or Arabs to be a 'lesser race.'"

Well, for the record, I don't think that everyone who opposes normalisation has those sort of racist views too. I don't think that most people do. I think opposition based on a religious view can be a legitimate and considered position, and that it can be held by decent, thoughtful people who mean no harm with it.

30 May 2012 at 06:19  
Blogger jadis said...

I note that Guy Parker CEO of the ASA was on Breakfast Time just now puffing the virtues of his little outfit - and getting some free PR from the Beeb. No particular reason was given.

30 May 2012 at 08:33  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Inspector @ 22.20, one of the interesting aspects of cross-breeding is the effect known as hybrid-vigour. Horticulturalists and Agriculturalists use it to advantage. Who is to say that the same genetic accelerator may not exist in human cross-breeding?

It's a complicated topic but the possibility does exist.

Having said that, this communicant has observed that different breeds within the same domesticated species tend to gravitate into discrete groups of their own kind. In short, racism, or 'breedism' as the case may be, could be a common mammalian trait.

30 May 2012 at 11:19  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Chaps, there is nothing sinister about the Inspector’s attitude to race. He is merely continuing the British imperial attitude to colonised peoples. You see, you must have a degree of paternal superiority to keep the whole show running. In fact, the failings of the various races were eagerly exploited by the imperialists and allowed for their easier management…

Bluedog. Yes, remember hearing about hybrid vigour on gardeners’ question time. A family with a genetic line of flat chested females would do well to attract one of Dolly Parton’s nieces into the clan. (Not quite the example that fine programme used but it serves to illustrate {…AHEM…})

30 May 2012 at 17:58  
Blogger bluedog said...

Well Mr Inspector, at least your proposal avoids the risks of Silicone Valley, Ahem!

30 May 2012 at 21:24  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

But what a valley !

30 May 2012 at 21:34  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Impure thoughts, Inspector, impure thoughts! You'll start DanJ0 off again.

31 May 2012 at 15:00  

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