Wednesday, May 23, 2012

The Germans are not as stupid or as euro-fanatical as their leaders

And in this attribute, the Germans are just like the British. Against their will, at the behest of conspiratorial élite powers, they abandoned their fortified Deutschmark to enter a currency union with Europe’s basket cases. And ever since, the hardworking German taxpayer has been subsidising and supporting the idle, indolent and delinquent. And they will do so for decades if not centuries ahead, with absolutely no choice in the matter.

Here follows a letter from Dr Hans Penner to German MPs. Thanks to Rodney Atkinson for the translation, who writes: ‘Dr Penner is not an economics expert, but he clearly understands far more than any German politician - and certainly more than the purblind Chancellor Merkel who is driving Europe to destruction.’

Dipl.-Chem. Dr. rer. nat. Hans Penner, Linkenheim-Hochstetten 22.05.2012

To the Members of the German Parliament

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

The recent election in North Rhein-Westphalia must be seen as a referendum on Mrs Merkel's European policy. Only 15% of those entitled to vote voted for that policy.

1. The calls by Mrs Merkel for savings and cuts are a deceit. Under her Government Germany's National Debt rose and to support other corrupt states it is to rise by a further 190 billion Euros.

2. Mrs Merkel wants to transfer German budget sovereignty to a non controllable foreign fiscal authority. That is against the German Constitution.

3. Mrs Merkel wants to abolish the Federal Republic of Germany and integrate it into a centrally controlled European State which will be characterised by a Fiscal dictatorship. This is also against the German Constitution.

4. Mrs Merkel seeks to burden Germany with the debts of corrupt European States. This is against the terms of the Maastricht Treaty.

5. Mrs Merkel's contention that taking on such a liability would further economic growth is an illusion.

6. Mrs Merkel is splitting Europe into a Euro Europe and a non Euro Europe she is thereby driving a wedge between Germany and Great Britain.

7. Mrs Merkel's policies have caused political chaos in Greece and extreme anti-Germanism.

8. Greek elections have totally rejected Mrs Merkel's European policies.

9. French elections have totally rejected Mrs Merkel's European policies.

10. Mrs Merkel shows despotic tendencies and ignores the warnings of experts and economists.

Christian Democrat politicians have been misled by Mrs Merkel and have no idea what the anti-democratic and authoritarian ESM (European Stability Mechanism) actually means. Let us hope there are sufficient MPs who will understand and vote against the ESM.

Yours etc

Hans Penner


Blogger Naomi King said...


23 May 2012 at 09:26  
Blogger Darter Noster said...

Whilst I have a great deal of sympathy with the German taxpayer, we should remember that it's not all one way - the ECB (which effectively budded off the the Bundesbank) has for years maintained currency conditions which have allowed German industry to greatly prosper, but which are far from ideal for many of the smaller countries now having problems.

That was always going to be the problem with the Euro, of course, but it's not like Germany hasn't been reaping the benefits for a good number of years.

23 May 2012 at 09:42  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Let's hope his fellow members listen and more European politicians catch on. It will put the idea to rest that the EU is a Catholic conspiracy!

Christian democrats seek to apply Christian principles to politics. It formed under the influence of conservatism and Catholic social teaching.

Trust you're reading this Atlas and little pope len.

Europe will go left or right in the coming years - and is heading for economic and social chaos.

23 May 2012 at 09:44  
Blogger Belsay Bugle said...

Vote UKIP!

23 May 2012 at 10:05  
Blogger bluedog said...

Victory has a thousand fathers, Your Grace, but defeat is an orphan. Hardly a day goes by in which a leading economic commentator does not reminds his readers that he always predicted the Euro would result in ruin and misery.

Exhibit A is Professor Niall Ferguson, the second greatest living Scotsperson. Ferguson is quoted extensively in an article dated 22nd May by the brilliant US economist John Mauldin, whose weekly publication is free! Yes, folks, it's true and there's no catch:

It's worth reading the article. Ferguson is now convinced that the risks to the global banking system of a Euro collapse are so great that the only way is forward into fiscal union and federation within the EU. In other words, Professor Penner may be absolutely right in his economic assessment from a narrow German perspective but the tidal wave heading his way renders his arguments completely irrelevant.

The problem as this communicant sees it is that, as His Grace repeatedly emphasises, there is no European demos. So when the Germans recently proposed sending 160 tax-collectors to Greece to collect the taxes uncollected for three years, the idea was rightly shouted down. If only because it would have given the Greeks a chance to slit the throats of 160 Germans. So how do you govern 27 countries who hate each others guts? Best not to try!

Interstingly Ferguson concludes that the UK will have no option but to leave the EU. Good call, and that makes him a Unionist too.

23 May 2012 at 10:45  
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23 May 2012 at 11:07  
Blogger graham wood said...

Bluedog. Agree, and as many other commentators have asserted.
All the points listed by Hans Penner as to the unconstitutionality of the 'fiscal transfer' plans are IMO absolutely critical in the coming days.

However, what the the silly Eurocrats seem to have forgotten is that such a scenario, as well as taking a long time to attempt to construct by common agreement, would take perhaps years to fully implement sufficient to make any difference to the chaos.

The EU, and of course the Greeks, Italians, and Spanish people simply do not have that time.
In addition the construct of a United States of Europe through the fiscal alliance in not at the forefront of these people's thinking!
The EU has a POLITICAL, as well as its other self generated problems.

23 May 2012 at 11:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do not underestimate Frau Fuhrer. She is tirelessly moving pins on maps to foil the advance of the barbarians and their diabolical Eurobonds (which should be outlawed under the Geneva convention). Unphased by the annhiliation of General Austerity and all his troops at Eurograd and totally deaf to the grenades cascading down the ventilation shaft of her bunker she is truly an example of the intransigence needed to bring the whole empire crashing down around Von Rumpole's ears.

23 May 2012 at 11:49  
Blogger Ooshta said...

It might be sad that the Germans feel duped, but they are famously good at looking the other way when it suits. And it suited to get hold of all those export markets turbo charged with under priced debt, which French paranoia made available. Too late to moan about the consequences now.
The choice for Germany is allow ECB printing, some inflation and joint responsibility (yes that is what in the real world you signed up for with a single currency, whatever the agreements including your own constitution say), or cut the losses and leave the Euro and spend German money recapitalising German banks including the Bundesbank, which will have to cope with devalued Euro assets.
Selfish denial and prevarication at this stage will make the situation exponentially worse, ruin the rest of us, and mean Germany will not be forgiven.
Schaeuble, Kohl, Adenauer and the other imperialist old guard have bequeathed us and Germany this dog's breakfast. Now it must be eaten by Germany too.

23 May 2012 at 12:08  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

I think GB in the EU is likely to be a fixture up and until the EU is broken up.
Bitter pill it may be to swallow but Great Britain has the economic clout to compete with the BRIC countries and should North and South Korea ever integrate, as in the case of East and West Germany, they will be the new and hungry competitors in Asia, no doubt with more than a little backing by Chinese industrialists.
The world has moved on since the the days of Empire.

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin

Britain need Europe and Europe needs Britain. The cause should be one of major review of and change from the Cold War concept of unity and assumed US backing to one of a world undergoing a massive shift in industrial demography and global influence.

The EU at present is not fit for purpose it urgently needs to be critically revised and restructured and we need to be at the table in the process. I think it would be throwing the baby out with
the bathwater if we think GB could go it alone; with a population of 70 million supported by a working population of 30 million compared to China and India who together, are feeding 2.5 Billion, more than a third humanity. It does not require a PhD maths to see the potential impact these ever growing numbers will have on a stand alone British economy within the global village.

23 May 2012 at 12:21  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...


A more appropriate prophecy, one feels.

I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin'
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin'
I saw a white ladder all covered with water
I saw ten thousand takers whose tongues were all broken
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children

And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

I heard the sound of a thunder, it roared out a warnin'
I heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world
I heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazin'
I heard ten thousand whisperin' and nobody listenin'
I heard one person starve, I heard many people laughin'
Heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter
Heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley

And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

23 May 2012 at 12:31  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

Darter Noster is right about the Bundesbank; I would add that the ordinary German banks also spent the boom years pouring petrol over a roaring fire, so it hardly behoves our square-headed friends to act the part of the ant to our butterfly. Nor does it behove Cranmer to use terms like "idle", "delinquent" and "indolent" when referring to the rest of Europe, considering his own green and pleasent land has long been nothing more than a vomitarium for yobbish youth whose parents have no other employment except selling financial services to one another. That's why the UK has such a massive deficit; you don't make anything anymore.

All that said, the general thrust of the piece is correct. The EU is a bad idea whose time is past. Since everyone (Krauts included) are responsible for this monumental, international cock-up, may I suggest a plan? A controlled, Europe-wide default (and sod Moody's, S&P and the rest). Let everybody take one massive kick in the groin (thouroughly deserved in all cases)and then let's move the hell on. Tear up the treaties of integration and just leave the EU what it was originally set up as - just a common market.

23 May 2012 at 12:34  
Blogger William said...


As you are quoting Dylan (for which you will receive another 5 recommends on me), should we not also look to the anglo-sphere with which we have far greater affinity. Trade is key and we should aim at being as attractive as possible and to trade with whomever we can. The trick with Europe, it seems to me, is to try to help them with the immediate problems without being dragged down with them. However, it may be too late!

Perhaps Union Sundown is more appropriate.

23 May 2012 at 12:48  
Blogger Oswin said...

Here's a thought: what if all European/Euro politicians are as incompetent as our own appear to be?

I advise signing-up at your nearest 'flint-knapping for beginners' course - the Stone Age awaits us!

23 May 2012 at 13:19  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Mr Hereward wrote:
'Do not underestimate Frau Fuhrer. She is tirelessly moving pins on maps to foil the advance of the barbarians and their diabolical Eurobonds.'

Time, I suggest, for another Downfall adaptation.

23 May 2012 at 13:39  
Blogger Berserker said...

Dreadnaught said:
I think it would be throwing the baby out with
the bathwater if we think GB could go it alone;

Aren't we going it alone now? Except that we are paying £50 million a day for the privilege of being involved in decision (ha, ha) making! Excuse me, but that is an extremely costly little club to belong to and where are the disadvantages of not being in the EU? One hears ancient and charming dinos like Clarky go on about us being at the centre and not at the periphery. But these are meaningless words. As for Germany (with France), they broke the Stability and Growth pact) and because of the immense costs involved in reunification they saw currency union as a sure fire way to boost their exports. Selling loads of BMW's to Greece is well known. (Wonder if one can pick up a cheap BMW in Athens now?) Any communicant done this?

Even China is drawing its horns in now and don't forget that compared to Russia it has very few natural resources.

Mr and Mrs Consumer is ill and it will take a long convalescence and they will never be back to their wild and profligate ways again. So calling for growth is meaningless if you can't sell to the buggers!

A positive suggestion to Government for job creation. Start giving incentives to private companies to build houses and flats for private renting, as happens in Euroland. There are about three million singletons out there working and beavering away (so please lets us have no more talk just about hardworking families). This figure is increasing all the time. They will need good quality rental housing.

23 May 2012 at 14:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Corrigan - that's utter crap. The UK still does a lot of manufacturing! Unlike Ireland, it does so because of the attractions of its labour force rather than a corporation tax kept low with other people's money and industry.

Companies in the UK make cars, drugs, speciality chemicals, clothing (including excellent shoes and boots), good food, insurance, music, theatre, films, and all the most complicated parts of many an Airbus plane and the largest aero engine maker in the world. We have leading companies in many, many fields who push the bounds of technical excellence and engineering. We also have leading insurance and banking companies. The latter are not the reason for our deficit, but the collapse in tax receipts from them hasn't helped.

Your tabloid-esque reading of the state of the UK is hilarious. Try reading something and come back.

23 May 2012 at 14:45  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Like mind William ;-)

DoDo -
and your relevant point is?

We have been in the EU nearly forty years and done nowt but whine and grumble without grasping the bull by the balls - enough all ready.

We need to look at least 50years ahead but make plans now.

Without going in to your deeper prognostications and deflecting tangents, the fact remains that 40% of our trade is dependent on a healthy 'Europe'

A market of 450 million people cannot be ignored – especially if it’s right on your doorstep and the majority of those 450 million people are fairly affluent. If you can negotiate with all of them at one go (and gain more favourable trading conditions) by partnering up with them rather than trying to do a unilateral deal from the outside, why wouldn’t you?

My point is that the UK, with a population of just 60-65 million, hasn’t got the bargaining power to get as good a deal on the outside as it does on the inside. Not just with the rest of the EU, but with the rest of the world – because a market of half a billion people has rather more barganining power than one that’s a little over a fifth of that size.

23 May 2012 at 16:41  
Blogger C.Law said...

The EURO countries willingly and with (malice) aforethought encouraged and allowed Greece to join the EURO for political rather than economic reasons in the full knowledge (and against the protests of many economists - not to mention ordinary citizens) that the Greek economy could not possibly comply with the requirements of the Maastricht Treaty. It is, therefore, hypocritical in the extreme for the same Governments to now be trying to push the Greeks into economic strictures with which they cannot possibly comply.

You will reap what you sow!

23 May 2012 at 16:59  
Blogger Oswin said...

Jon: a tad harsh there, and somewhat unfair too.

Much of the industry that we will still retain, is the assemblage of parts made elsewhere. Small, enginering-support firms have all but gone. We no longer make the nuts, bolts, screws, fastenings etc. We have few foundaries, or rolling mills; we barely make our own requirements of iron and steel. Further, we have de-skilled almost to the point of terminal arrest.

Our ''excellent shoes'' are made by a very few, small companies; many of whom are in near constant danger of going-under completely.

A majority of the more successful industries are now foreign owned, or outsourced; as are our utilities, customer-services and, and, and ...

It may not be as bleak as some would have it (?) but it sure ain't no bed of sweet smelling roses.

23 May 2012 at 17:02  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo: what ''healthy Europe'' is that then? Perhaps you see one looming on the horizon; or are we talking 'Multiverse theory' here?

23 May 2012 at 17:08  
Blogger Oswin said...

Damn! Spelling error: 'foundries' and not ''Foundaries'' eeeek!

23 May 2012 at 17:11  
Blogger Berserker said...

Dreadnaught is a stout defender of the EU but here's a point: 10% of the EU export trade is in automotive products but it could do better. But it is up against it.

India for instance has high import tariffs and although China is an important importer and does not officially have any tariff barriers there are all sorts of backdoor ways of making life difficult for EU exporters. Like stringent safety checks and luxury taxes etc.

Perhaps a single country exporting, rather than an economic block might fare better against tariffs and pseudo tariffs as the recipient country would nor perceive it as such a threat?

23 May 2012 at 17:21  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Your Grace. The Inspector remembers that in the late 1970s, (West) German unemployment benefit was the same as the British manual wage, and their pensioners were the best provided for in Europe. Incidentally, the small EU then seemed a good idea, a trading partnership as it was. Of course, the EU wasn’t the empire it now aspires to be, and it hadn’t yet included the dregs of Europe. Now we find that Greece, a mere 2% of the EU, is enough to bring the Euro crashing down,and with it (…hopefully…) the pseudo empire. What kind of sand foundations are these !

Do the Germans enjoy the same kind of benefits they used to ? Will they one day get angry about it, all that wealth flowing out of the country. Now, we don’t want angry Germans around, that’s for sure !

23 May 2012 at 18:09  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...


I am not at all an a 'stout supporter' of the EU - re-read what I have said. I am most critical of the EU - I just happen to be realist.

23 May 2012 at 18:22  
Blogger non mouse said...

Oswin says @ 13.19: the Stone Age awaits us! I agree; with the slight modification that it's really a more completely developed Stone Age than we have already :)

I reckon it all boils down to Geese and Golden Eggs.

You see: Paleophiles like that metallic gleam (developed in the Bronze/Iron Ages), but they won't bother with the farming skills (developed in the Neo-lithic Age) which led to goose-keeping.

[Anyway, wasn't that a job for girls? That's too gender-specific for paleos, you see.]

Meanwhile, it's just so much fun playing with all that pretty gold and pretending to let minions run battery farms.

Unfortunately ... geese are not to the taste of Master Paleos, and the Old Grey Goose is dead. So paleos don't care that there aren't many other geese about nowadays. Paleo-politico-economists prefer to produce i) headless chickens ii) turkeys who'll vote for Winter Solstice and Mer/(an)de.


Back to the Future dreams then. As Alpha D tried to tell us.

23 May 2012 at 18:40  
Blogger Denis Cooper said...

"Christian Democrat politicians have been misled by Mrs Merkel and have no idea what the anti-democratic and authoritarian ESM (European Stability Mechanism) actually means. Let us hope there are sufficient MPs who will understand and vote against the ESM."

Later this evening, in fact very shortly, the Lords will be debating this Bill to approve a radical EU treaty change:

So what is the purpose of that radical EU treaty change, demanded by Merkel, ceded by Cameron without asking for any quid quo pro, formalised on March 25th 2011, and about to be approved by Parliament without a referendum?

To give the eurozone states the new legal right to set up the ESM, which they promptly turned into something "anti-democratic and authoritian".

Here is an e-petition calling for a UK referendum on that EU treaty change:

23 May 2012 at 18:48  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Hereward said, "Do not underestimate Frau Fuhrer. She is tirelessly moving pins on maps to foil the advance of the barbarians and their diabolical Eurobonds..."

Ok, have to admit that I had a good chuckle at your lampooning, Hereward ...splendid writing... but in all fairness, my friend, whatever her faults may be, our Mrs Merkel doesn't deserve to be compared to Nazis, even in jest. A far better case, I'd say, can be made about her harbouring traces of a kind of a reflexisive knee-jerk Marxist messianism under which she grew up in the former GDR. Those of us who grew up even part-ways under a bolshie regime still suffer from a few reflexive ticks and tremmors. All on its own, my heart beats a little faster at the stirring notes of the Internationale and I cannot bring myself to think ill of the naively idealistic, pretty and very proper and polished young lady camp counsellors of the Young Communist League. We all have our imprints.

23 May 2012 at 18:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


We English are rather partial to taking the mickey out of Jerry. Obviously been watching too many episodes of "Dad's Army." We all have our imprints as you say.

So she's a reflexive knee-jerk Marxist eh. You have raised a Spectre there Avi. The spring-loaded venom-laced blade cunningly hidden in a female shoe.

"Cast Iron Dave" might be the last man standing.

23 May 2012 at 22:09  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Oswin said...
"Dodo: what ''healthy Europe'' is that then?"


The "point" is in the lyrics of the song. Not too difficult to figure out.

23 May 2012 at 22:40  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

The venom-laced blade, indeed. Family tradition, probably. A daughter of privileged parents who, unusual for any Warsaw Pact citizens but especially for East Germans, could travel to the West and back. I believe she held a high position in the Agitprop corps of the East German communist league. A much too typical pampered apartchik fop who easily moved-in to the new positions of power with the changes. Still, I think she's wrapped up more in a united Europe under ther ghost of Karl der Grosse fantasy than the old Karl of the dictatorship of the proletariat one. She did get the order of Charlemagne or something like that too.

"'Cast Iron Dave' might be the last man standing." Ha! That's a comfort. How'd he get that moniker? Because he easily cracks under heat and pressure?

23 May 2012 at 23:01  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

O, above post of mine's for Hereward.

23 May 2012 at 23:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


The venom laced blade comes from a James Bond film. This Wiki link explains:-
(Rumours of a passing resemblance between Rosa Klebb and Angela Merkel are entirely without foundation.)

Cameron became branded as "Cast Iron Dave" because he gave a cast iron guarantee concerning a Referendum on British Membership of the EU but wriggled out from under once he got into office. He has many other courtesy titles including "Mr Slippery," "Dave the Knave" or simply "The Boy."

23 May 2012 at 23:35  
Blogger non mouse said...

'Cos he makes "cast-iron" promises before elections, Avi. Afterwards, he breaks them. (cf. referendum on the euSSr).

23 May 2012 at 23:40  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Thanks for the "insider" British info, Herewith and non mouse. I was puzzled by "cast-iron" thing and Dave; seemed like a mismatch. You have my sympathies; Uk deserves way better, especially now. People sometimes give me a hart time when I boast that Canada now has arguably the best leader in the world, our PM Stephen Harper, but you folks would understand if you knew what a long collection of flops and losers we've been suffering under.

24 May 2012 at 01:43  
Blogger IanCad said...

Corrigan 1 @ 12:34,
"vomitarium for yobbish youth whose parents have no other employment except selling financial services to one another"
"Tear up the treaties of integration and just leave the EU what it was originally set up as - just a common market."
You have it right my friend.

Oswin @ 17:02,
"we have de-skilled almost to the point of terminal arrest."
When all the skilled men went off to fight the war unskilled women took over their jobs and did it very well.
Very few skills are beyond the ability of an adult to master in six months or so.

Avi, Good to see you back again. You weren't in jail or anything like that I hope?

24 May 2012 at 07:29  
Blogger Di said...

The madhouse policies of eurofanatics can only be explained, as Your Grace observes, by the work of "conspiratorial elite powers". Note how so many world leaders are now deploying the phrase, "new world order"

Over a period of sixty years, by secrecy and bullying, they have constructed in Europe an undemocratic, unbridled, uncaring system of government which now only lacks the one leader who will sieze the controls and emerge as outright dictator.

Even now he is probably waiting for some convenient crisis - like the collapse of the euro perhaps - as the moment to present himself as the man they've all been preparing for.

24 May 2012 at 08:41  
Blogger bluedog said...

Di @ 08.41 said, 'which now only lacks the one leader who will sieze the controls and emerge as outright dictator.'

This is not such a fanciful idea and it's fairly easy to profile the sort of individual who will emerge, based on earlier episodes.

In the first instance the emergent leader is likely to be a man, mid-thirties to mid-forties. The political elite is usually very careful to induct any individual of talent and ambition who emerges through the same channels as they have done. It follows that the emergent leader will not be a member of the existing political elite.

The rank of corporal or sargent has often been a useful lauching pad for a late-stage revolutionary political career, eg Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin and Joseph Broz Tito. Apart from being trained to command by the military, all of the above were provincials and therefore hard to place within existing social hierarchies. Indeed their otherness was an advantage in societies in which self-confidence was low and confidence in the existing elite had totally collapsed. None of the above was a first mover in terms of revolt, this seems to be the prerogative of intellectuals such as Robespierre and this communicant's personal favourite, V I Lenin. Lenin's de haut en bas style must make him one of the most cynical idealists ever to walk this Earth.

Intellectuals are generally uncomfortable with unstructured situations and try to restore order using conventional appeals to authority such as seizing control of an assembly. The military mind has an advantage in this regard and with a private army of thugs can easily prorogue any Parliament. As there have been many years of peace, European society lacks a large body of disaffected discharged soldiers, ready to be disciplined and promised security by the emergent leader. In the absence of this military corpus, Your Grace, your communicant suggests purchase of a football club to achieve the same goal, so to speak.

In summary, even if euro-intellectuals bring revolution to the euro-proletariat, we may have to wait some time for the Emperor to emerge from chaos and restore order.

What colour shirts will they wear this time?

24 May 2012 at 09:48  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

Problem, reaction, solution.

We have the problem, we are currently undergoing the reaction, but as yet the solution is nowhere to be seen.


A 'solution' will be proposed. This solution is the reason why the problem was deliberately created in the first place. The reaction to it is now being carefully manipulated in order to make the coming 'solution' seem like the only practical or available one.

I can perfectly assure you all that hardly anyone will like the solution, except maybe the odd true Marxist. Indeed the 'solution' will be seen as the end of freedom as we once thought we knew it.

IMO we marched headstrong past the point of no return at least 20 years ago, however I could be wrong, perhaps there may be an alternative.

But this alternative to murderously authoritarian dictatorship requires some kind of mass awakening. An awakening which does show some signs of taking place, the question is, is it far too late, or is there still hope for our children?

Judging by the amount of attention people on this site pay to people like myself, there would appear to be very little hope indeed. However this will not stop me trying my best.

WAKEY WAKEY, rise and shine, its well past time you WOKE UP.

24 May 2012 at 10:47  
Blogger bluedog said...

We're wide awake, Atlas, me old sunshine.

It's just that not all of us are convinced that Babylonian Mysticism is the problem, reaction or solution.

24 May 2012 at 11:09  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

Dodo the Dude said...
Let's hope his fellow members listen and more European politicians catch on. It will put the idea to rest that the EU is a Catholic conspiracy!

Maybe, but it won't mean that it is not a Roman Catholic founded conspiracy because it most evidently is.

Please understand the true nature of this conspiracy. It may be headed up by the Jesuit Orders, but it extends to the four corners of the globe, and encompasses all aspects of corporatist power, very much including those which appear to be perfectly opposed to it.

Atheism and everything to do with it, including Communism is as much part of this conspiracy as what we see as theism.

This conspiracy is hierarchical in nature. It is the eternal battle between good and evil, us and them, the slaves verses their owners.

Religion as we know it is strictly for the masses, our worlds slave owners on the other hand follow the same religion which has noting to do with either Jesus, Moses, or any other created or otherwise God or prophet.

Roman Catholics like yourself, are as much a victim of this conspiracy as anyone else, most especially including REAL Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and atheists.

You are fully at liberty to carry on burying your head in the sand, just remember that this will not actually stop the juggernaut from running over your arse. Indeed most likely nothing will whatever you do, so you are most welcome to your self induced ignorance.

In other words blind ignorance is bliss, and therefore maybe just as useful a world view as any other at this time.

24 May 2012 at 11:16  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

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24 May 2012 at 12:05  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

IanCad, thank you, good to be back here. Just an extended "sabbatical" with the whole family and other family from Europe in "Avi-Occuppied Palestine" as some might put it. With familly buzzing about, long hoiurs of volunteering and a cottage by an air base landing strip, jail would've been quieter...but the food wouldn't've been as good!

24 May 2012 at 13:01  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Atlas. Regarding your anti Catholic bile. Inviting as the thought is, the Inspector does not believe you are secured by a white jacket as you type your wisdom on the keyboard with a pencil clutched between your teeth. You see, you haven’t convinced him your intellect is up to it.

No, what he wants from you is the sources, leads, links from you. If the sources are entirely those good old Baptist boys from the Southern bible belt in the good ole US of A again, just reply with ‘Uncles Sam’s Finest’

24 May 2012 at 17:46  
Blogger Oswin said...

IanCad@ 07:29 : whilst I agree with what you say, to some limited extent, I'd like to point out that these necessary skills are no longer taught. Those who could teach such skills are now mostly retired, or dead. Those still found within say, a university Engineering Dept, are positvely miniscule in number, when compared to the number in existence during the 1960's.

Those marvelous woman who manned our factories during the war, were taught by someone ...

Further, one doubts that the likes of a half-competent 'Pattern-Maker' could master his/her art in just six months; let alone the equivalent of a true 'Master' Pattern-Maker.

It can't all be done by computers and laser-cutters; and anyhows, who gets to make them?

I could go on, as I'm rather 'up' on lost/rare engineering skills - my brother-in-law (world Master of the 'ball-bearing') corners me regularly upon the subject.
Better still, I'll pass on his email address to you, and thus win both ways on! :o)

24 May 2012 at 18:27  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Inspector, you actually read Atlas' comments? Oh, right, all part of your difficult but ncessary duties.

Anyway, I don't think his sources are bible-belt material; elsewhere he talks about bin Laden as an innocent or non-existing lad and the 9/11 "conspiracy." The "truthers" and "paulbots" (Ron Paul fanatics) have their own sources, and those tend to be the ones who like to wear white sheets or practice their goose-stepping.

24 May 2012 at 18:35  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Avi, the most astonishing about Shrugged is that he apparently runs his own business and employs people !

In the past, The Inspector has investigated some of the internet rubbish which is anti Catholic and found much of it comes from the old South. Wondering if the KKK had anything to do with it, he investigated further, only to be informed by said sites that the KKK was set up by Jesuits to discredit the White Anglo Saxon order of Dixie ! You can’t win. One suspects that while the man avidly reads this muck, it would be possible to tug on his penis without him noticing, such is his devotion...

Toodle pip !

24 May 2012 at 19:12  
Blogger anna anglican said...

Hi Boys,

As Dodo mentioned a song, I thought I'd write one of my own- from a well known song of course! (as I'm on my hols vistiing family):

"An Anglican -Jewish girl went back to Israel,because she missed the scenery
The Jewish dances and the charming songs
But wait a minute, something's wrong-no Cranmer blog!

Hey, Dodo! Mambo Cramner-Anglicano!
Hey, Dodo!
Go, go, go you Irish Rome-o!
All His Grace’s Communicants-a do the Mambo like a crazy with a

...Hey Dan-Jo, doesn’t wanna a God-Oh No!
he’s a Scouser -o!
Hey Mambo! Mambo, Cranmer-Anglicano!

Hey Jacobs-O, I love a how you arguo
But take a some advice Calvinistno
Learn how to Mambo
If you gonna be a square
You ain't a gonna go nowhere
Hey mambo! mambo Cranmer-Anglicano!
Hey mambo! Mambo Cranmer-Anglicano!

The Euro No, No, No
For everyone’s sake
Bailouts No, No, No,
how to Mambo Cranmer –Anglicano, say Euro-nooooo!"

24 May 2012 at 22:09  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

You are a tease Anna, and the song is ?

24 May 2012 at 22:33  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Hi Anna. Been on the sauce, have we? Enjoy!

24 May 2012 at 22:37  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Mambo? That's like a dance, right. Here, let me coolly and objectively evaluate the probability of me learning to dance.

[Whirr, click, click, whirr, click]



Ahem. Yes, well...

The probabilities it would seem are not too favorable.


26 May 2012 at 02:07  
Blogger anna anglican said...

It's called the 'mambo italiano', first written in 1954 and re-done several times over the years.

26 May 2012 at 12:16  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...


You're not alone, very few Calvanists dance. Something to do with repression of the senses and sins of the flesh. Catholics, now, that's another matter. Irish Catholics, in particular, know how to celebrate life, even in hard times.

26 May 2012 at 12:21  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


You're not alone...

Indeed. An allergy to dance is a normal and natural masculine trait. That's why we watch football and not 'Nutcracker.' Have you every actually watched 'Nutcracker?'

...very few Calvanists dance..

Calvinists. One a. Two i's. You do this just to annoy me, don't you?

Something to do with repression of the senses and sins of the flesh.

That's a possible interpretation. Or perhaps we just don't want to look ridiculous.

Catholics, now, that's another matter. Irish Catholics, in particular, know how to celebrate life, even in hard times.

So, then, I look forward to your new experimentation with Liturgical Dance. I would pay good money to see a video called "Dodo Does Liturgical Dance: An Interpretation of the Song of Solomon." Good money.

Of course, I would make it all back in re-sale.


26 May 2012 at 13:52  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Never in a liturgy, never!

The harp, whistle and flute, fiddle, uilleann pipes, bodhran and bones, and the concertina would not go be conducive to proper worship at a Tridentine Mass! Far too Vatican II.

Besides, to get one in the mood the 'black stuff' and 'water of life' has to flow!

Have you never attended an Irish ceilidh? You really should get to one.

What do Calvanists (oooops, Calvinists) do for fun?

26 May 2012 at 16:31  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


Far too Vatican II.

Vatican II was an ecumenical council just like Trent. Now I know lots of people don't want to admit that, but there it is. Liturgical dance is now an infallibly defined part of the Mass. I suggest you start stretching that Achilles tendon. I want my video. "Dodo Does Liturgical Dance: An Interpretation of the Song of Solomon."

What do Calvanists (oooops, Calvinists) do for fun?

What is this 'fun' of which you speak? It sounds decidedly unserious and therefore both suspicious and disreputable. I would caution you to be wary of such things.


26 May 2012 at 16:46  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Vatican II was an Ecumenical Council but, so far as I'm aware, it made no new binding declarations on matters of faith or doctrine. It gave the 'nod' to all sorts of protestant practices in an effort to appease and heal division.

Ah, fun ... it is potentially disreputable, involving drink, story-telling, dance and song; and then more drink. It's where you leave wariness at the door and gay abandon takes over. That's "gay" as in being carefree and happy, just to clarify.

As they say In Eire:

"Dance as though no one is watching.
Love as though you have never been hurt.
Sing as though no one can hear.
Live as though heaven is on earth."

Terribly, terribly sinful! That's why we have Confession.

26 May 2012 at 19:44  
Blogger Oswin said...

Aye weel, Dodo, I'd not want any of that going on next door to me. I'd set the hounds on 'em!

28 May 2012 at 19:16  

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