Wednesday, June 06, 2012

Anglican identity in a multi-faith age

To wear a hijab is to make a profession of submission to the Islamic religion. To wear a union flag hijab is to make a profession of submission to the Islamic religion which is both patriotic and political. But to wear a union flag hijab whilst proclaiming fealty to and fondness for the Queen is the spoken reality of British Islam.

Like Anglican Christianity, it is a 'living tension', perhaps no different from the internecine strife experienced by successive generations of the Church of England as they have pursued the quest for true Anglican identity. This Muslim woman reminds us that the Queen, as Supreme Governor of the Established Church, is not only apolitical, but she soars above the theological squabbles of the day and takes every issue back to first principles – the nature of the Christian Church. We were reminded of it as she attended the Service of Thanksgiving for her Diamond Jubilee at St Paul's Cathedral, where the fragrance and radiance of Christ were made known through her presence in a sea of sceptics, atheists, and representatives of her ecumenical and multi-faith kingdom.

The Queen not only inhabits the past life of the Church; she dwells in the Scriptures and is attuned to the creative, nodal points of contemporary culture. By her presence, she brings Scripture, tradition and reason into conversation. And as they come together in her and through her, she inspires loyalty to the State, respect for the Church, and reverence for God. Those of other faiths and none may not have sung the hymns she chose to honour her Creator and Redeemer, but they were present because of her: they tasted something of her faith because of their love for her.

The Church of England is now suspended somewhere between the decline in institutional religion and the burgeoning of generalised spirituality; between the secularisation of society and the plurality of faith communities. The postmodern context is marked by diversity, fragmentation, plurality and all that is transitory; beliefs and practices are culturally relative, and Anglicanism has ceased to be supracultural or catholic. But its Supreme Governor bears witness to its continuing relevance in a multi-faith age. Postmodern plurality presents the Church with a melting pot of cultures and ideas to which it needs to respond in different ways: there cannot be one model of mission which is inflexible and unresponsive; each situation must be met on its merits and the response must be appropriate. Essentially, the context of each parish and each church within each parish must make them sift, test, reformulate and transform mission in order that the response can be relevant and dynamic.

It is the Queen herself who inspires people of all faiths and none to honour and respect all that she symbolises, embodies and represents. To wear a union flag hijab is to acknowledge the political stability that comes from religious liberty. Speaking of her Diamond Jubilee earlier this year, she observed:
"The concept of our established Church is occasionally misunderstood and, I believe, commonly under-appreciated. Its role is not to defend Anglicanism to the exclusion of other religions. Instead, the Church has a duty to protect the free practice of all faiths in this country.
It certainly provides an identity and spiritual dimension for its own many adherents. But also, gently and assuredly, the Church of England has created an environment for other faith communities and indeed people of no faith to live freely. Woven into the fabric of this country, the Church has helped to build a better society – more and more in active co-operation for the common good with those of other faiths.
This occasion is thus an opportunity to reflect on the importance of faith in creating and sustaining communities all over the United Kingdom. Faith plays a key role in the identity of many millions of people, providing not only a system of belief but also a sense of belonging. It can act as a spur for social action. Indeed, religious groups have a proud track record of helping those in the greatest need, including the sick, the elderly, the lonely and the disadvantaged. They remind us of the responsibilities we have beyond ourselves." 
But it is not primarily by preaching or doing that the Queen witnesses to her great salvation, but by being.

God Save the Queen.


Blogger martin sewell said...

Full marks to this young woman. Of such creative enthusiasm is meaningful dialogue made. Forget political correctness, person to person contact is what creates a happy kingdom, as Jesus' own example shows.

6 June 2012 at 10:15  
Blogger IanCad said...

Thank you YG.
A beautiful picture and a thoughtful posting.
Truly, all that is best about Britain.

6 June 2012 at 10:33  
Blogger Richard Barker said...

Thank you for such an excellent commentary and fittingly exact conclusion. Although not an avid monarchist, I recognise our most gracious majesty is an outstanding ambassador to The King of Kings and Queens.

6 June 2012 at 11:49  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

I do agree with general sentiment expressed but the Monarch must surely, first and foremost, represent and promote Christianity - and orthox Christianity at that? Or are you advocating multi-culturalism, an equality of faiths, with the Monarch as the Defender of all Faiths?

6 June 2012 at 13:37  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace

"This Muslim woman reminds us that the Queen, as Supreme Governor of the Established Church, is not only apolitical, but she soars above the theological squabbles of the day and takes every issue back to first principles – the nature of the Christian Church. We were reminded of it as she attended the Service of Thanksgiving for her Diamond Jubilee at St Paul's Cathedral, where the fragrance and radiance of Christ were made known through her presence in a sea of sceptics, atheists, and representatives of her ecumenical and multi-faith kingdom."

1. This lady was merely one out of a crowd of well over 1 Million well wishers and old Ernst was surprised at the conspicuous dearth of Muslims etc not visible celebrating, considering the numbers who reside here. Their stay here is a mere business transaction and they have not 'bought into' what Britain was and is, as they watch the frivolities take place, whilst the token 'faith' leaders stand in expected honour of Her Majesty.

The problem with ecumenical gatherings is that if you say nothing, except you expect people to acknowledge your own personal devotion, where is the need for evangelical exhortation? Is our faith merely a choice listing on a faith menu and that all selections lead to contentment and nourishment, it is simply what pleases your palate
It is one thing to live peaceably as Christ asked us all to, its quite something else to let that implied acquiescence that He is not The Way to be believed by other 'faiths' and not be spoken as ambassadors of His Kingship over all, with Her Majesty as His supreme ambassador in our country/nation.

John 10:7-11

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

If Her Majesty is not the Defender of THE Faith, what exactly is she defending/contending for..

Jude 1:3

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Ernst Blofeld

6 June 2012 at 13:41  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace

"..above the theological squabbles of the day....first principles – the nature of the Christian Church."
What on earth were the Epistles written for then or has gnosticism really taken hold of the Church in England? Are we all universally saved?
Poor King David got it woefully wrong with his exhortations and hymns to the Lord for his sake and his people, as God's anointed monarch then, the poor heathen.

Old Ernst loves Her Majesty as much as you do but really?? There is compromise and then there is COMPROMISE!

E S Blofeld

6 June 2012 at 13:55  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...


We agree .... but how to achieve this when Christendom itself is divided and has false teachers in its midst.

The approach advocated reduces Christianity to social action and not a spritual relationship with Christ. Ultimately, it can only result in disestablishment.

Surely it is the Christian faith which underpins British culture?

6 June 2012 at 14:32  
Blogger Baron Guêtré said...

Your Grace,

Alas! that the Church should create an environment for "other faith communities and indeed people of no faith" who work for its demise . Is our post-modern, navel-gazing, politically correct society indeed a "better society"? And were we commissioned to be "more and more in active co-operation for the common good with those of other faiths" -- or rather to "teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever . .." He has commanded us?

God Save the Queen.

6 June 2012 at 14:40  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

IMO Muslims will as a whole suffer the same fate as those people who came here from the West Indies during the 60's and 70's.

They arrive with high hopes most especially for the education and future prospects of their children.

They will soon enough find out that only a tiny minority of them will improve their lot, while the vast majority will not even obtain the basic educational standards of their parents.

Education in this country is not just bad, it is all but nonexistent for the vast majority of ordinary people, including the middle and upper middle classes.

Our entire education system is most certainly equipping our young for their future, but only because to a very large extent they DON'T HAVE ONE. That is they don't have one unless their future includes being very much dead, sleeping, playing video games or watching ever more crap TV 24/7.

Our education system is not educating our children for the world of productive work, because the people who actually run our education system know that to very large extent there are no plans for there to be any.

This will of course affect the lives of Muslims even more then it will the rest of the population, and I reason that they will not be overly happy with this situation, to say the least.

We have allowed our masters to make our bed for us, and it is we the common people who are required to sleep in it.

If you were still wondering why our political class seem utterly bereft of any solutions for our most inevitable social and economic collapse, then wonder no more.

They do have an Ultimate Solution up their sleeve, but you can be absolutely assured that hardly anyone will like it.

I suggest you take your own bar of soap with you. It wont help much, but at least it will smell a little better.

6 June 2012 at 15:05  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

I would think the Church has a duty to protect Anglicanism and project it as the faith of this country whilst acknowledging other faiths here as secondary. Has it helped to build a better society by allowing itself to be almost usurped by other faiths and none? I don't think so. Whilst I agree that other faiths and none should be allowed to practice their faiths and live here quietly in peace, but not to the detriment of our faith, Anglicanism. So the Queen's multi culti message combined with the picture of the young lady in the Union Hijab supporting the Queen is a sight for concern for me.

6 June 2012 at 15:08  
Blogger Pubcrawler said...

I was in Whitehall, Trafalgar Square and The Mall yesterday and I don't recall seeing a single hijab, or any other Islamic headgear, male or female. So while this woman may well have been proclaiming fealty to and fondness for the Queen (and God bles her for it), I don't think she can necessarily be taken as representative of much more than a barely visible minority of her co-religionists, and I suspect that the unspoken reality of Islam in the UK may be something quite different.

6 June 2012 at 16:05  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

Yes but if Babylonian Mysticism predated the RCC, what predated the Babylonian system?

And are you suggesting this 'body' has been around for 4.5 billion years? And how did 'they' and 'we' get here?

6 June 2012 01:15

The obvious answer would be Mysticism, however as I have no idea what the language was at the time, I should imagine that the translation they would have been something like The One True Religion.

No, I am not suggesting they/we have been around for 4.5 billion years, although maybe 3 billion is possible. My own opinion would be no more then a few million years, and possibly much less.

Mysticism however dictates either wrongly or rightly that we are a hybrid species brought here by either an alien force of a supernatural kind, alien being/s of a more material kind, or more likely a combination of both, often denominated God, or the gods.

The exact purpose is unknown simply because the reason apparently given may have been a lie ( even God/s can tell porkies ). However it is reasonably safe to assume that there was, and likely still is a purpose for our being, otherwise our environment would not have been adjusted or terraformed to our liking, we would not have been genetically modified in the first place in order to cope with said environment, and would not have survived thus far without one hell of a lot of outside assistance.

Of course no one, most especially myself are sure about much. Neither am I claiming that I believe in the above as true historical fact. You can however be perfectly assured that our masters know far more then they ever had any intention of letting on to the masses, who they genuinely believe to be vastly inferior to themselves in all important respects.

Blind belief in belief systems, be they either theist, or atheist in nature are not as a general rule conducive to the finding of truth. Although it stands to reason that blind belief in Darwin inspired atheism is the worst possible place to start.

This reality is clearly outlined in The Book of Genesis, therefore I suggest you read it with a more open mind this time.

6 June 2012 at 16:09  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

Our masters believe themselves to be distinguished from the masses through a long process of selective breeding, which they believe goes back to the date of our common arrival.

They believe that they are not just in charge of things today, but they have always been in charge. As is clearly demonstrated by the fearlessly greedy and murderously callas history of their respective ruling bloodlines.

This has caused them to all but completely lose what most of us would call, empathy for the suffering of their fellow conscious beings.

They consider themselves to have divine approbation to be the housekeepers, or guardians of the planet. This is why they simply cannot help but genuinely believe that the masses are little better then disposable vermin at best, or a nasty disease, on a par with small pox, at worse.

The current Duke of Edinburgh for example is on record as stating that on his next reincarnation he wishes to return as a deadly virus to help wipe out the billions of useless eaters which currently infest his charge.

We on the other hand wish his spouse a glorious Diamond Jubilee, and him a swift recovery from his own recent bladder infection.

You see the difference?

6 June 2012 at 16:45  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
What do you suppose will happen to our Union Flag if or when Scotland go independent? Will we lose the white cross on blue backgrond? Could be a bit messy!

6 June 2012 at 16:50  
Blogger Edward Spalton said...

There is, of course, a huge amount of wishful thinking that there should be something called "moderate Islam".

If politicians stopped believing that, they would not be able to face what they have done to us by mass Muslim immigration.

An eminent Arabist, Professor Jansen, was a witness at Geert Wilders' trial. He was so important that the judge, who had overridden the prosecutors to bring the case, tried to nobble him at a private lunch party a few days before he was to testify.

In summary, his testimony was. "There are moderate Muslims. There is no such thing as moderate Islam".

The faith and its practice are scripturally mandated as the last word of Allah to Man this side of time. To alter it in any way is apostasy and worthy of death.

In Western countries even keen types may say "But don't do it now chaps. It would frighten the natives" without becoming apostate.

In other words there are Muslims who are not fully observant and may assimilate or accommodate to Western society and there are those who can put their observance on temporary hold, pending the right political conditions without losing their observant status.

In the meantime, politicians burble on about a "religion of peace" in the face of 14 centuries of evidence to the contrary.

6 June 2012 at 17:33  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Dodo asked

"Surely it is the Christian faith which underpins British culture?" It most certainly should be but we appear to be under attack at present. Multiculturalism is that no specific indigenous culture is seen as 'the norm' for this country, most definitely not if this country's establishment has anything to do with it!

It appears that republicanism and atheism seem to have more clout with the establishment despite their woeful numbers not even leading to an 'equal argument' status.
We could no more be a republican democracy than be a communist Karl Marx's eternal shock! These people really do not understand their own people, do they.


6 June 2012 at 18:26  
Blogger non mouse said...

Your Grace: As one who rejects post-modernism for being intrinsically evil, I hesitate here.

Like all works of art, this one is open to interpretation. Thus the adoption of the Union Jack as this headdress might suggest Moslems to say that they are taking over - making themselves head of things British? [And when/if Scotland withdraws, the "green flag of Islam" can advance its intention to dominate Downing Street]

When King Alfred made his agreement with Guthrum, the latter was required to become Christian. Only then could the country's diverse leaders weave the people into one fabric: through their recognition of Christ as the Truth - the Way and the Light to the One God.

God Save the Queen; God Save us All.

6 June 2012 at 18:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We indeed are living in a multicultural Society and this has many inherent problems and the 'natural' progression of a multi cultural society points[ logically] to a 'multi faith' solution.
This will bring Christians into direct conflict with a God who hates' mixture'. The Hebrew's were forbidden to make a garment of linen and wool because God hates mixture (Deuteronomy 21:11). Thus the "mixture" has its root in "error". The biblical basis of purity is the truth of right doctrine. This is the reason that The New Testament contains twice as much exhortation to right doctrine as it does right conduct.'
I am all for freedom of speech and freedom to choose whatever religion one desires but Biblical Truth cannot be mixed with error without destroying its integrity.

There is a way which will 'seem right' for man but Christians should not be unaware of the schemes of the enemy .

6 June 2012 at 19:19  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
Moderate Muslims are similar to the average CofE attender. They both conform to tradition and obsequious to ritualistic worship without any great conviction. It is the convicted that get stirred to do something like the Islamist radicals. Christianity has its Evangelicals that are burning to reach the lost with the Gospel of Jesus.
Too much attention by the church to equating with a multi-faith kingdom will lead to distraction and a weakening of the faith of the church. They need to concentrate on feeding the sheep and reaching out. But no, they concentrate on their rituals, whether or not anyone is in the congregation as I saw on ‘The Ugly Vicar’ Blog this week. The issue of women as Bishops is not only distracting the church but tearing it apart.
It is imperative that we realise that the mode of worship is not set in stone by scripture but as in times past, we need to move on as music and styles change if we are to attract people to worship in churches today.

6 June 2012 at 22:39  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Has the Inspector been stripped of his rank and excommunicated?

Or is he taking a long earned rest and recoving from the battle fatique evidenced on here of late? Shame on people for not rallying to him in his time of need and for not lending him better support when he was behind enemy lines.

Then again, he might just be sitting by the fire, whiskey in hand, cuddled up with his girlfriend, the long suffering nurse, and quietly smiling at the results of his recent 'campaign'.

7 June 2012 at 00:06  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Mr Integrity

It is good to be burning with the faith, although its an unfortunate turn of phrase on this blog. However, whatever you might think, ritual worship remains at the heart of our faith.

People gather on a Sunday to participate in a common expression of love to God and, for many churches, to receive the Body and Blood of Our Lord. These rituals have survived two millenia and the Church is still strong and faithful when it holds to these traditional forms and to orthodox doctrine.

The Church should never seek to attract people to its doors through modernisinng styles of worship. Rather, it must teach the substance and the depth of worship of God and Hs love for us that lies behind the rituals.

7 June 2012 at 01:06  
Blogger Oswin said...

non mouse : exactly!

7 June 2012 at 02:11  
Blogger therealguyfaux said...

Just one comment on the woman in the Union Jack scarf:

HM is in virtue of her position "Defensor Fidei," defender of the faith, i.e. the Anglican iteration of Christianity. All Muslims, in virtue of being Muslims, are required to be defenders of their faith; there is no school of thought or belief in Islam that finds the concept "Jihad = Defence of the faith" to be a controversial one. Jihad in the defensive posture requires that Muslims not apostasize, not compromise certain core beliefs (the "pillars of Islam"), and not in any way contribute to the growth of any other religious belief at Islam's expense. One wonders what opprobrium this woman would receive from certain quarters in the Muslim community who would find her patriotism a tacit endorsement of the C of E. Of course, so long as their condemnation of her would remain in the talking/social- shunning phase, it would be purely an intramural dispute within the Muslim community; imams could issue all kinds of fatwas (correctly, "admonitions") against her and against any of those who would think like her. It is the Muslims who would take it a step further, and refuse to conform their behaviour to the society in which they live by insisting that, as to intramural disputes, Sharia Law is the only solution, and that she is to be punished beyond sending to Coventry, who need to have their religious expression suppressed and punished. Sadly YG, your namesake and many others in the UK, who were victims of religious intolerance, instil in most Britons a revulsion against suppression of religious belief, even when that suppression conduces to greater toleration of religious freedom all around.

Someone tell me if I'm missing something here.

7 June 2012 at 03:33  
Blogger David B said...

The Queen presented a rather one-sided view of the merits and demerits of faith, don't you think?

Faith is not without it's downside, after all.

Only today there is a report in the Daily Mail of people inspired by faith killing young women because they danced at a wedding.

David B

7 June 2012 at 09:43  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...


You have missed 'something'.

Many of your arguments were advanced by Anglicans against Catholics in the dark days of religious suppresion in this country.

Surely the only way forward in a democratic and liberal nation is freedom and toleration of religious expression? Within Britain this requires even greater efforts to spread and defend the Christian faith not as being equal to other faiths but as being the Truth.

I'm not fearful of Islam believing it to be a system that will collapse as its adherents are exposed to other influences.

Well done that woman for wearing the Union Jack!

7 June 2012 at 10:51  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"Many of your arguments were advanced by Anglicans against Catholics in the dark days of religious suppresion in this country." Ooh.. Ernst does love a cryptic word game.

So One must reshuffle the two words to give them the correct rendition, historically....An A always before a CofE except before a C!


7 June 2012 at 13:26  
Blogger Irene's Daughter said...

The queen spoke of 'faith'. Christian Faith (as opposed to religion)is about believing that Jesus died in our stead and then FOLLOWING after HIM into eternal life.

So often today the Church in Britain is concerned only with 'how to do church' in this life! It is more interested in walking by sight than in walking by faith. It focuses on rules of conduct and seeks to set up a new Law.

Remember - the Ten Commandments were given and carved in stone because the people did not want to meet with God themselves. But then God in His Wisdom had them placed in the Ark of the Covenant out of sight and under His Mercy Seat. God wants us to walk by faith and not by following a set of rules. When the Church in Britain remembers that, then it may yet be brought back to life and fulfil its purpose of pointing people to the salvation available only through Jesus - not the Church'!

7 June 2012 at 15:34  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...


Can a national church, with a particular country's monarch as its head, lay claim to being Catholic?

7 June 2012 at 16:30  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Has the Inspector been incarcerated in the pink section of a prison. I hate to think of him languishing away, being subjected to unspeakable humiliations.Jump on your horse Dodo and rescue him!

7 June 2012 at 16:49  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


Can a national church (Italian/Roman?), with a particular country's monarch as its head (Pope? because Vatican City is , for most intents and purposes, an independent nation with a 'permanent population' and a current crowned Germanic monarch as it's king and high priest) , lay claim to being Catholic (Ooooh, interesting, let me think about this one...hmmm)?!! ;-O


7 June 2012 at 17:48  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Cressida: "Jump on your horse Dodo and rescue him!"

Careful. We don't want any misunderstandings there, what with Dodo and his animal thing.

7 June 2012 at 18:27  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

cressida de nova
I have been watching for him. I'm pleased to report the good Inspector has now reappeared on the thread above. It seems he was taking some time out to repent after words with our host.

That's actually amusing - for you. I would never "jump" a horse, or any other creature for that matter.

As you know, the Catholic Church is world wide with a leader, the Servant of Servants, Christ's appointed representative, who is based in Rome and part of the Roman branch of the universal Church.

So my question remains:

"Can a national church, with a particular country's monarch as its head, lay claim to being Catholic?"

7 June 2012 at 19:44  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Dodo, you should ignore Danjo's provocative comments. Everyone knows you are a deeply religious man who practises what he preaches.

Oh, so another Catholic almost bites the dust on this site.Better watch my step. Only yesterday I was expelled from a poetry site (run by a lesbian). I really do not understand why homosexuals become so enraged when heterosexuals do not reciprocate their affections.

7 June 2012 at 20:16  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Modern day, aggressive homosexuals are on a power trip. Add sexual frustration when their sexual advances are spurned, and you are dealing with a volatile cocktail indeed.

I think DanJ0 has a crush on me now that Albert has left the site. He is seeking approval from an older, well balanced man for his life style choice.

7 June 2012 at 21:58  
Blogger Brian said...

I believe this woman represents what christianity has sought since day one - unity in faith - not faiths ,but faith - this is something to aspire to - despite all of our differences - she embodies, or represents, the extension of friendship which the Lord extended to ALL nations not just the jews, and so in this she well deserves her separation from the million plus crowd.

7 June 2012 at 23:54  
Blogger Oswin said...

therealguyfaux @ 03:33 : nope, you ain't missing a thing. Whereas Brian, and Mr.Integrity, seem not to understand the nature of Islam.

8 June 2012 at 01:16  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Come off it!

There are millions of Muslims who one doubts understand "the nature of Islam" as presented by hardliners. Many Christians don't understand the "nature of Christianity" either.

The woman in the picture appears not to understand her faith as understood by you, that is!

8 June 2012 at 20:54  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo: you may consider yourself included.

8 June 2012 at 23:48  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Included in your clumsy, simplistic catagorising? Well, one expects so.

9 June 2012 at 00:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Christianity IS simplistic!.

You will need a whole hierarchical 'religious system' to help you misunderstand it!

9 June 2012 at 10:45  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

little pope len

You've just confirmed my view of your intelligence.

9 June 2012 at 12:11  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo: always be grateful that I am a lazy, good natured chap...

9 June 2012 at 16:55  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Oh I think that cover has been well and truely blown Oswin judging by some of your most recent posts. Lazy, certainly, but good natured? Nah.

9 June 2012 at 19:01  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo: my recent comments confirm my good nature; I might have said far worse. Actually no, my true feelings might well exceed my verbal abilities ... after all, one ought to recognise one's limitations. (hint?)

10 June 2012 at 18:24  
Blogger Peter of Carolina said...

Jesus Christ said at the end of verse six of John 14 "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Me." The church must not forget that there is only one way of salvation and that is through Christ the Son of God. His claim is exclusive. This is not to say that the church or the Queen is to seek to limit anyone's religious, it is just to say that there is and can be no catholicity outside of Christ's Church.

11 June 2012 at 21:01  

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