Tuesday, June 26, 2012

Egypt’s first elected Pharaoh

As democracy spreads throughout what the West insist on calling the ‘Islamic world’, Egypt is seeing the firstfruits of the ‘Arab Spring’. While Libya’s uncertain future is still emerging, and Syria faces a certain future of civil war, Mohamed Morsi has become the first freely elected president of Egypt. The Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, once proscribed by Hosni Mubarak, is on the ascendancy.

With this election dies all Western geo-political influence in Egypt, and also quite possibly the Camp David accords which heralded peace with Israel. With Islamists in Iran, Islamists in Gaza, Islamists in Syria and Islamists in Egypt, we must thank Allah that the ‘Islamic world’ is as fractured and fragmented as the Christian one. There is no more social cohesion, unity of doctrine or meeting of minds among the disparate expressions of Islam as there are between the myriad of denominations, factions and cults which purport to constitute Christendom. The ‘Islamic world’ is simply a convenient classification of the West: it is meaningless because it implies a geographic entity unified by a monolithic faith – a caliphate. But the ‘Islamic world’ has no universal understanding of this, and so the concept is as meaningless to Muslims as it is to those of other faiths and none.

But that won’t stop Mohamed Morsi, for whom the ‘Brotherhood’ does indeed constitute the ‘Muslim world’, the unity of Islam, the Ummah. Political Islam is the only Islam: Egypt’s allies are no longer in the West, but with the jihadic struggle of other Islamist movements who seek to depose those corrupt and repressive dictatorships who consort with the Great Satan.

President Morsi has pledged to rule Egypt for all Egyptians, but don’t expect much on human rights or liberty if you’re female or Coptic Christian, and even less if you happen to be both. And you really should expect a high degree of antagonism if you’re a military type, for the new President won’t be keen on the constitutional constraints imposed by the unelected generals of yesterday, who hastily cobbled together a formula to prevent another 35-year pharaoh exercising supreme power. President Morsi will bide his time and cultivate a number of reconciliatory faces in order to appear all things to all people. One day he will be full of conservative religious fervour; the nest he will be moderate and liberal. One day he will be orthodox Brotherhood; the next he will be no friend of their at all.

But we must not forget that in his heart he loves his god above all, and that his doctrine of his god isn’t particularly disposed to equality, democracy or the existence of Israel. “We as Egyptians, Muslims and Christians,” he said, “we will face together the strife and conspiracies that target our national unity.”

For the Brotherhood, there is only one ‘strife’ in the region: there is only one conspiracy which targets Egyptian national unity.

And that is the Zionist one.

Allahu Akbar.


Blogger DeeDee99 said...

The peoples of the middle east are cursed by the fact that religion and politics are so closely inter-twined.

How can you have an effective Opposition when one Party/Faction claims Allah as its supreme leader!

The American idea of forcing or even encouraging democracy on these countries is pointless: they don't understand the real meaning of democracy and their religious/political leaders are intent on keeping it that way.

Control of the masses is so much easier when it is done with the authority of a 'higher power.'

The Catholic Church/Catholic Europe tried much the same thing for several centuries.

26 June 2012 at 07:32  
Blogger David B said...

"...but don’t expect much on human rights or liberty if you’re female or Coptic Christian, and even less if you happen to be both..."

Or an atheist, male or female.

David B

26 June 2012 at 08:38  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Good post YG.

26 June 2012 at 09:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace

Well put – and prophetic:

‘For the Brotherhood, there is only one ‘strife’ in the region: there is only one conspiracy which targets Egyptian national unity.

‘And that is the Zionist one.’

We have all been forewarned that the ancient prophecy in Psalm 83 shall soon come to pass. Posters here may recall what was discovered by a construction worker in a bog in Ireland in July 2006: a medieval copy of the Book of Psalms written in Latin and found open at Psalm 83.

Here is how one Irishman living in Israel described the find:

“For this to have been an act of God, God would have to have been all-knowing, foreseen this very conflict roughly 1,000 years before it occurred, foreseen the bog market, foreseen the use of power tools, foreseen the individual working the equipment and ensured this particular one was working that part of that bog that day, have created the book of its various parts (leather, the paper within) in the first place, have placed it in that place for 1,000 years of earthquakes and various other acts of God, foreseen the person who purchased the land would happen to be of the save artifacts mindset (not common among money-hungry landowners) and foreseen the need to it open to that page on that day. I don’t know, seems all haphazard to me.”

Let us recall that in 1947 the Dead Sea scrolls were discovered – and in 1948 – can dead bones live – Israel was resurrected.

‘Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.’ (Psalm 83:1-4)

Ireland of course is the land of St Malachy who appears to predict that the last pope Petra Romanus (Peter the Roman) shall come next and he will be the last pope.

26 June 2012 at 09:11  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

I will wait and see before judgement. I heard one of the president's team (I forget who) speaking on the radio, saying that the president will appoint a woman as vice-president and a Christian as one of his senior advisors. If this happens then maybe, just maybe, things might go well. But, as I said, I will wait before I judge.

26 June 2012 at 09:50  
Blogger Berserker said...

The last thing the Muslim Brotherhood is... is a Brotherhood.

They follow different faiths or varieties of Islam in say Iran compared to Egypt.

The West keeps Egypt (and Palestine) going. The US supplies over a billion dollars of military aid to the military in Egypt. The Generals are not going to want to compromise that so they already have strictures in place.

There are some that believe (World News Daily, admittedly a somewhat dubious source) that the MB is a proxy of the West.

26 June 2012 at 10:36  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...


Tariq Aziz springs to mind. For that matter, we've had nominally Christian prime ministers for the last fifteen years; would you say that Christianity finds itself strengthened in the UK as a result?

I'd agree with you entirely on waiting to see how the Egyptian government develops. I don't hold out much hope for an outcome enormously different from His Grace's prediction; but I'd be very happy to be entirely wrong.

26 June 2012 at 10:42  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

Give the man a chance Cranmer, for God's sake; he hasn't even taken his oath of office yet. Right or wrong, every time the west has interfered with the Muslim world, it has set the clock of social progress back to zero and forced people to start all over again. If we'd left Mosaddegh to get on with it back in the 1950s we might not be contending with the Iranian Revolution today.

26 June 2012 at 11:21  
Blogger Bloke said...

Your Grace...put simply Amen!If i may say so..what would an Islamic caliphate headquartered in Jerusalem will result in? This time will it be just a 'Jewish' problem or a global one? So then when these things 'come ..to pass' does it mean our redemption draws nigh'..? Will the messiah this time & soon return to establish his Kingdom? I'm just asking.. pardon my ignorance.

26 June 2012 at 13:41  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

Corrigan1 said...
Give the man a chance Cranmer, for God's sake; he hasn't even taken his oath of office yet. Right or wrong, every time the west has interfered with the Muslim world, it has set the clock of social progress back to zero and forced people to start all over again. If we'd left Mosaddegh to get on with it back in the 1950s we might not be contending with the Iranian Revolution today.

26 June 2012 11:21

I agree.

However please don't work on the assumption that the west did not interfere to bring down the last requiem, because there is much evidence to strongly suggest that they/we did exactly that.

As to why they/we did so is a matter of much speculation. Time will tell.

26 June 2012 at 16:34  
Blogger Oswin said...

Berserker @ 10:46 : your last words: ''...the proxy of the West'' - well, it once was, but has grown legs long since; or possibly, the West thought it a proxy, but got it wrong, as it is wont to do. Strange bedfellows tend towards strange offspring.

26 June 2012 at 16:36  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...


26 June 2012 at 16:59  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Rather been out of touch with the news, chaps. Has he closed the Suez Canal yet ?

26 June 2012 at 17:28  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

It's all very well exporting and encouraging democracy but it's the liberal bit that's really needed and that mindset takes a long while to take hold.

26 June 2012 at 17:55  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0. It’s well known around here that you only post in your own interest. Fancy seeing the pyramids up close, do we, AND get to ‘know’ the locals ?

26 June 2012 at 18:08  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

So, another attempt at starting a fight on a thread that's just ticking along without issue, Inspector? How you must hate yourself, and the rest of the world.

26 June 2012 at 19:31  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Rejoice, fellow communicants !

Our self absorbed gay package tour adventurer knows damn well if he was to achieve his hoped for ‘perfect’ holiday in Egypt, he’d risk having his head stuck on a spike, bless him...

Communicants who are not aware of what the significance of the word ‘perfect’ is, in relation to a gay man’s foreign holiday, allow the Inspector to elucidate. {AHEM}, on second thought’s, you all have perfectly good imaginations, so we’ll, er, leave it like then...

26 June 2012 at 19:41  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

I see our gay-man-in-denial is onto his favourite subject: homosexuality, again. Despite the thread having nothing to do with it. My, how you must have cried when you were thrown off Pink News for trolling in an internet version of pulling the plaits of the girl you fancy in junior school. So, you're reduced to trying to trash this blog and forum area instead.

26 June 2012 at 19:50  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Relax sunshine. The Inspector just fancied a bit of target practice tonight and choose you, you lucky Nancy. Anyway it’s over now, so as you were and go about your business in peace...

26 June 2012 at 20:10  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "The Inspector just fancied a bit of target practice tonight and choose you, you lucky Nancy."

Lovely. Into a tissue next time please, instead of at my name on the screen. *shudder*

26 June 2012 at 20:13  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

The Inspector doubts he will get any sleep tonight from the sheer regret of what he’s done to you...

26 June 2012 at 20:15  
Blogger David B said...

Inspector trivialises serious and important topic.

For shame!

His Grace makes an important point about the prospects for Christians and women under Islamic rule.

They are not good.

In general, in the Muslim world, 9-11 regardless, Israel regardless, most violence seems to have been inflicted on one or other major sect of Islam by the other, and most imjustice suffered by women, whether Muslim or not, whatever sect.

The prospects for Christians in the Arab worls after the Arab Spring seem to me to have deteriorated, as have the prsopects for freethinkers and secularists, but, as I neglected to say earlier, the prospects for those indoctrinated into Isalm in childhood, but who see its weaknesses and leave Islam are worst of all.

Whether they jump from frying pan to fryer by moving from Islam to Christianity, or leave religion behind them.

Not a good prospect, and it leaves such people with a choice between closeted living or living in danger of lashings, stonings, imprisonment, execution. To an even greater extent than Christians who have not left Islam, though much the same, I suppose, as Christians who have left Islam.

I refer everone's attention to Maryam Namazie's latest blog post, regarding the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain. As I have said before, her politics are a bit left wing for my taste, and her atheism will not be to everyone here's taste, but her courage, and her opposition to Islam, and the pandering to its excesses by pusillanimous polititions I hope will meet general approbation.


And all will hopefully agree that Sharia courts getting charitable status, while support groups for those leaving Islam cannot, is an abomination.

David B

26 June 2012 at 22:41  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

David B. It was a mere aside. Do forgive the Inspector. Do you know he remembers when you first discovered our gay social destroyer was actually gay. Your sentiment at the time was “I support him fully” or words to that effect. Wonderful thing, secularism, it encompasses all, no matter how harmful...

26 June 2012 at 22:56  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

DanJ0 @ 20:13 - you disgusting person. Please don't assume others behave as you do.

26 June 2012 at 23:07  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

Is it really possible to become President of Egypt with only a little over 13 million votes? I mean, I know that Egypt is a young country. But only 26 or 27 million of around 80 million people are old enough to vote? Seriously?

Anyway, this result is probably for the best. A narrow victory the other way could have been blamed on the Copts. But this way, they have a President who is instead under considerable internal and very considerable external pressure to cut a deal with them.

One quarter of the Egyptian Parliament should be elected on a constituency basis, one quarter elected on a proportional basis, forty-five per cent (an equal number of men and women) nominated by the General Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood, and five per cent (an equal number of men and women) nominated by the Coptic Patriarch.

No legislation could be introduced unless sponsored by at least one MP from each of those four categories, nor could it be enacted without the approval of all four of the General Guide, the Patriarch, and the first and second-placed candidates in a direct Presidential election, termed the President and the Vice-President but enjoying exactly equal powers. Why not?

On social justice issues, the Muslim Brotherhood is not what it was, having changed direction to recant the public ownership and the wealth redistribution for which it used to campaign, and to support Mubarak's land reform reversals. But it could easily be talked into changing back, especially since it is by no means clear how convinced the party at large has ever been about these revisions at the top. Remind you of anyone?

If Iran, Syria, the Palestinians, and the Lebanese coalition including Hezbollah (regarded by the Maronites as their line of defence against the real enemy) are anything to go by, then the Copts are very well-placed to strike an excellent bargain, in stark contrast to our beloved Israel, Turkey and Mubarak. If the Copts are going to be annoyed over anything, then it is going to be over the retention of the peace treaty with Israel, which they have always strongly opposed.

And the Muslim Brotherhood, founded by British intelligence in order to agitate against independence, has always enjoyed excellent Foreign Office connections; its Anglophilia is exactly what it is so hated by its Israel First, American Second, Britain Nowhere detractors in the Murdoch papers, on Telegraph Blogs, and so on. Commonwealth membership beckons, especially for a country which even still has a currency called the pound.

This is Britain's moment. Otherwise, such are the historic ties and the widespread proficiency in English, that we should expect each of our cities to contain several, and each of our large towns to contain one, of those Coptic churches. One tenth of the Egyptian population would have decamped to the most obvious alternative country from their point of view.

As with the Arabs inside Israel's 1948 borders, why did we never do for them what we later did for the East African Asians, but a generation earlier, when we were still just about in a position to back it up?

As it is, there is talk of "closer ties with Iran". What, reserved parliamentary representation for the ancient indigenous Christians of Egypt? More women than men at university in Egypt? Egypt to have the most acclaimed cinema in the world? A complex, sophisticated relationship between Egypt's Islamic and the pre-Islamic heritages, both always strikingly present? A constitutional ban on foreign military bases in Egypt?

Jolly good.

27 June 2012 at 00:05  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Dodo: "DanJ0 @ 20:13 - you disgusting person. Please don't assume others behave as you do."

Look in the mirror. That poor excuse for a human being looking back is you, you know.

27 June 2012 at 06:08  
Blogger IanCad said...

Inspector, Dodo, DanJo,

This constant sophomoric bickering is not a credit to any of you.
It is becoming tiresome and detracts from (and discourages) any good discourse.
I will say that DanJo does not usually start these unseemly squabbles and is forced to defend himself with vigor.
Come on Guys! Knock it off.

27 June 2012 at 08:43  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

Inspector - Forgiveness has the added implication of turning around ones behaviour. I do hope you do, though past evidence does not leave me too hopeful. But do give the gay bashing a rest, it spoils so many discussions on this blog.

Dodo - The Inspector started it, you numpty! Dan has only replied in kind to a "christian" poster who has readily admitted to deliberately targeting him for the fun of it. Get a sense of perspective before you start flitting between self-righteous indignation and the equally disgusting homophobic comments that you have been want to make in recent months.

Back to the subject:
AiB - Different setting, but I believe I am correct in saying that under Sadam Christians were able to get on with living their faith out without being in fear for their lives because of it. Whether that had anything to do with Mr Aziz, I know not.
And we all know that with the way that Christianity has been attacked by so-called modernists and secularists over the years that people claiming to be Christians are actually clueless as to what the Bible actually says on many things and thus when they claim to be acting in good faith they are actually merely using it as a cover to try and keep the Church off their back!

27 June 2012 at 08:56  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...


I shall of course give your comments due consideration. I notice other protagonists have escapted your notice. Why is that?

And do bear in mind DanJ0's standard technigue, his insidious personal attacks on posters such as the Inspector, Marie, Albert, myself and others intended to fuel acrimony.

I take exception to the suggestion I post "disgusting homophobic comments. Evidence?

27 June 2012 at 16:52  
Blogger Oswin said...

IanCad @ 08:43: I'll second that!

27 June 2012 at 17:11  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Actually , cressida de nova was spot on in her recent comments to you. You know, the ones that resulted in your distasteful replies. It'd be a good idea if you go back and read them through again - your 'rconfession' included.

27 June 2012 at 18:06  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Bit of clarification from the Inspector. While noting that David B made a point about perceived trivialisation at 22:41, the Inspector made a poor choice of word, and used ‘apologise’ rather than ‘concede’.

While he’s at it, the Inspector wishes to advise all Christians, spirited and faint hearts alike, that the time to challenge the gay agendists is now, and not when they are hammering on the church door trying to close us down…

27 June 2012 at 18:26  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Just for the record:

"Oswin I don't much care for your treatment of others with your vicious aside remarks either.Your own behaviour is indicative of your pettiness cruelty and spite..
and I think I have touched a chord that you are not comfortable with i.e. your propensity to fence sit just hurling insults without ever contributing anything of substance to a debate. To be quite honest I'm not interested in your assessment of anything or your opinion of me."

(cressida de nova

I entirely agree with her.

27 June 2012 at 18:31  
Blogger Oswin said...

Doodles: are you on something?

''I'll second that'' seems rather a mild remark to have warranted your vented duck-spleen?

For the record (although I fail to comprehend your bleatings) I don't give a galloping fart for what you, or other misfits think of me. Dodos ought to recall the old adage of: 'birds of a feather' - flightless or otherwise. Have a nice day.

27 June 2012 at 19:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IanCad (.27 June 2012 08:43)

Spot on.This bickering is getting boring beyond belief !.

His Grace prepares these articles for our edification which (almost always deteriorates into a slanging match)threads are lost, insults are hurled, to what end?.What is accomplished?.
There are important points to be discussed here, the rise of the Moslem Brotherhood and what this means for Israel is a far more important topic than ' point scoring' between what can only be described as'rival gangs'.
I think we can take it as read that 'organised religion' opposes Homosexuality and atheists and Homosexuals do not want to be told 'what to do ' by the religious.

Jesus preached the 'Gospel of the Kingdom'and interestingly condemned no one (except the self righteous.)

The important thing is to get the Gospel of the Kingdom preached to the World and not to get drawn into countless 'circular arguments' which are going nowhere!.

27 June 2012 at 20:21  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len said ...

"I think we can take it as read that 'organised religion' opposes Homosexuality and atheists and Homosexuals do not want to be told 'what to do ' by the religious."

And does 'unorganised religion', or is it 'disorganised religion', have a view on homosexuality? Are you content to see Christianity assailed by the atheist?

And since your so keen on discussing it, what is your opinion on the Muslim Brotherhood and the democratic election of Mohamed Morsi?

27 June 2012 at 21:03  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...


Now sit back on your fence and wait for someone to 'second that'.

27 June 2012 at 21:05  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len said ...

"There are important points to be discussed here, the rise of the Moslem Brotherhood and what this means for Israel,"

Go on then ....

28 June 2012 at 00:42  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo: you're losing it dude.

28 June 2012 at 01:01  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...


Whatever "it" is, I doubt I ever had it to lose!

28 June 2012 at 01:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What we are seeing is a sharp rise in anti- semitism (which has always existed but flares up when the fires are stoked by those who have an ulterior motive in doing so)
The 'Palestinian`s' are the pawn which Arab Nations keep thrusting into the' floodlights' on the World stage.
Whenever Israel retaliates to Arab rockets or suicide bombers Israel is painted as the' bad guys'by the World Media.
The' Arab spring' which supposedly is fuelled by Arabs desiring Democracy and ridding themselves of Dictators has opened the door for a takeover by the Moslem Brotherhood who will /have come in' on the back' of the Arab Spring.
Israel which has a large body of the World Media opposed to their right to defend them selves against aggressive neighbours who deny the right of Israel to even exist as a Nation.
So what we are seeing is the gathering of forces opposed to Israel on her borders and in the Media.
Christians should be praying that God`s will and purposes are being fulfilled for the people of Israel.

Dodo, Christianity has been under attack for 2,000 yrs.... atheists are not going to prevent God`s will and purposes being carried out!.

Daniels Prophesy could be illuminating if one studied it.

The Dream Of A Great Statue
"You, O king, were looking and then, there was a single great statue; that statue, which was large and of extraordinary splendor, was standing in front of you, and its appearance was awesome.
Statue. "The head of that statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.
Stone. "You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them. "Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found. But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth. (Daniel 2: 31-35

(Dodo to clear up any confusion you might be experiencing....The Stone/Rock is Christ NOT the Catholic Church!)

28 June 2012 at 19:32  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len said ...
"(Dodo to clear up any confusion you might be experiencing....The Stone/Rock is Christ NOT the Catholic Church!)"

Are you looking to stir up trouble?
A completely differeant context and meaning to the words Christ spoke to Peter.

As for the rest of your post .... make this up all on your own, did you? More like copied it from one of your internet sites. You clearly no little about the Middle East nor the history of the Muslim Brotherhood.

"Dodo, Christianity has been under attack for 2,000 yrs.... atheists are not going to prevent God`s will and purposes being carried out!"

Of course not but God also requires us to cooperate with His plans. That's okay though, you sit there and preach in generalities, criticise nobody and prophesy about the 'end times' until your little heart's content. That may be God's plan for you. Or, it may not.

28 June 2012 at 19:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dodo, am I looking to stir up trouble?.

The gospel is an offence to many.... if this offends.... that is your/their problem.I do not 'court favour' with anyone and have no fear of the opinions of others.

The Cross is an offence to many, because by the Cross God condemned sin,and proclaimed the only way to salvation, the sinner can do nothing to save himself and has to rely on a saviour to save him.This is an offence to the pride of anyone who makes a claim to his own 'goodness' his own' righteousness'.

28 June 2012 at 23:24  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len ...

But you weren't defending the Cross were you? It was just a nasty remark looking to stir up enmity between us, wasn't it?

Here's a reminder:

"(Dodo to clear up any confusion you might be experiencing....The Stone/Rock is Christ NOT the Catholic Church!)"

Grtuitous and unnecessary. It added nothing to what you'd said. It was a pointless attack on Catholicism and nyself.


29 June 2012 at 01:46  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Ah, there, I can breathe again. DanJO and the Inspector can be quite hilarious at times. One doesn't get such high comedy on Canadian blogs and forums, for some reason.

2 July 2012 at 00:43  

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