Sunday, July 15, 2012

The legacy of Margaret Thatcher



This tribute reminds you (should you need reminding) that desperate times call for desperate measures. "Margaret Thatcher came to power at a desperate time in her country's history, when real leadership and bold ideas were most needed. And by applying conservative principles to the challenges she faced, she was able to achieve real and lasting success. Then, as today, she faced an extraordinary set of challenges and a chorus of voices saying her country's best days were behind it. Thatcher's successes are a comforting reminder of the power of a bold, conservative vision at work."

45 Comments:

Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Your Grace. Cometh the hour, cometh the woman. And yes, she will be remembered ever more for being an extraordinary woman as much as for her remarkable policies which stopped us sliding into a socialist hell hole.

Alas, you don’t get many Margaret Thatchers per hundred years…

15 July 2012 at 11:44  
Blogger Chris said...

@ Office of Inspector General: It is true that we will not see many of the ilk of Margaret Thatcher; for this I give thanks to God.

15 July 2012 at 12:07  
Blogger BJ said...

As a member of the unwashed proletariat I immediately admired Thatcher.

The Friedman stand on your own two feet, work for reward policies so echoed with 'working class' people.

She did leave problems though - privatisation of utilities has resulted in millions being fleeced by foreign owned monopolies.

And I think that the privatisation of coal and steel should have been carried through a little more logically - at times she was too ideologically driven.

15 July 2012 at 12:23  
Blogger Old Blue Eyes said...

She was, without any shadow of a doubt, the finest Prime Minister we have had since the end of WW2 and I say this as a person, from a working class family, who spent 44 years in the coal mining industry. God knows we could do with someone like her at the present time.

15 July 2012 at 13:00  
Blogger English Pensioner said...

Where is such a person now who can take charge.
Churchill emerged when the country was facing annihilation by the Nazis, Thatcher when the Unions were likely to do the same. But where is such a person to take charge now the financial crisis and the EU is likely to to what Churchill and Thatcher prevented?

15 July 2012 at 13:06  
Blogger Damian said...

I see selective memory and rose tinted specs are out again, if Heath and his advisors knew that being a member of the EU was treason and meant the destruction of Britain are those of you waxing lyrical over Thatcher deluding yourselves that she did not know?

I know what Churchill prevented, he prevented the take over and subjugation of this country by foreigners.

Tell me again what Thatcher prevented?

15 July 2012 at 16:07  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
A great video, a great Lady.
How apt her words are today; Everyone is unequal, no one is like anyone else, everyone has the right to be unequal, but everyone is equally important.

The rights of the majority should not be overridden for the sake of so called equality. We are all equal to be unequal.

15 July 2012 at 16:42  
Blogger non mouse said...

I never could like her: there was something false about it all, especially as she was a grocer's daughter. She could never be the queen she played at being.

However, she was a far, far, better woman than any of the prime-whatever-they-ares who have followed.

15 July 2012 at 17:55  
Blogger Flossie said...

A truly great Prime Minister. I always felt she was on our side, and a patriot. Shall we ever see her like again?

How we need someone like her now, when the socialists have sucked the life out of this country and the coalition seem unable to do anything about it.

15 July 2012 at 19:16  
Blogger Tony B said...

A significant number of the problems we face today were caused by her policies, almost all of which have been ditched, are being ditched, or are running sores that need to be dealt with. And yet the old loony is still praised.

15 July 2012 at 21:20  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Tony B. As a man who worked in a large factory where the works convenor (a union post) was a CP member with SWP tendencies, he stood amazed as this bastard played fast and loose with the union’s memberships’ livelihoods.

In retrospect, we should all have dived in on him and killed him. In the same way Caesar met his end - No one could personally be held responsible. It never happened of course, your man here being a mere teenager and we didn’t know any better. BUT WE DO NOW !

15 July 2012 at 23:23  
Blogger Tony B said...

Inspector, I agree that unions were too powerful. But now they are not powerful enough. There is no one to speak for ordinary working people any more as Labour has abandoned them.

16 July 2012 at 06:53  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

M Thatcher was a TRAITOR, as are all her successors.
She weakened the Navy, jsut before the Falklands' War.
Every single PM has done the same since ....
She also withdrew funding from essential scientific and engineering research.
I for one, will never forget.

Please note.
This is NOT an endorsement of ANY other party or politician.

16 July 2012 at 08:42  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Tony B. Indeed. The Labour party abandoned the average Joe over 30 years ago. They had to - they had been giving the housing meant for the next generation of the working class to the mass immigration project. And get this, the working class did not like it. Like it they did not. They verbally objected, most strongly. The Labour party could have no truck with those unreasonable racists, so out the window they went…

16 July 2012 at 11:11  
Blogger bluedog said...

Your Grace, Lady Thatcher's words are well chosen in the video clip, and are as fresh and relevant today as they were thirty years or more ago.

Comparison with Cameron is embarrassing. Thatcher understood what she was saying and every word was carefully weighed. Cameron is merely a second rate actor, reading someone else's words in inadvertent parody of Thatcher.

Mr Tingey @ 08.42 said, 'She also withdrew funding from essential scientific and engineering research.'

For which this communicant is thankful. After all, if Lady Thatcher had not given up her work as a research chemist she could not have become PM.

That is what you meant, isn't it?

16 July 2012 at 12:02  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

Yep – she pressed the button on the cycle of deregulation and allowing finance free rein to manipulate markets, where it was considered respectable to pursue one’s own greed at the same time as paying little attention to the needs of society as a whole. It should also be understood that Thatcher’s children are now the parents of today and hence have the main responsibility for the selfish values of many within society today, which Cranmer and others here are only too willing to criticise when they think it suits their cause. What is particularly sad is how her supporters continually fail to recognise that the world has now changed and that there is some need to update their thinking and policy prescriptions – but then I suppose that has been the failing of conservatives from time immemorial (that doesn’t mean that radicals and progressives sometimes don’t demand change for changes sake – but at least I hope we can recognise our own failings). I can recognise that there was something of a quantum change in British Society around when Thatcher came to power, although it is debateable as to whether she was the symptom or the cause. What I think many are now failing to recognise is that another quantum change is now happening around them.

16 July 2012 at 13:17  
Blogger parepidemos said...

Wow! Some people need to take off their rose-tinted spectacles. Thatcherism spawned an era of greed, the effects of which reverberate to this day. It was so bad that even the Established Church became regarded as the unofficial opposition (due to the ineffectiveness of the Labour Party)

In the end, Mrs Thatcher became so self-righteous that her own party did the unthinkable by dumping her at an annual conference

16 July 2012 at 13:37  
Blogger Paul Twigg said...

If there had been no Thatcher, Spitting Image wouldn't have been so funny.

16 July 2012 at 14:27  
Blogger Timjam68 said...

She wasn't a conservative, she was an economic and social liberal.

She may have brought us section 28 but the amount of gay bars across the country grew hugely.

16 July 2012 at 15:34  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

I can't say I agreed with all of what the Lady did but I am full of admiration for her strong leadership and refusal to be compromised. If only we could get a leader like that now instead of the limp wristed cowards we are stuck with. God help us!

16 July 2012 at 15:39  
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16 July 2012 at 15:39  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

"What is particularly sad is how her supporters continually fail to recognise that the world has now changed and that there is some need to update their thinking and policy prescriptions..."

Actually, Tory Boys, we "thatcherites" are updated and way ahead of you social statists who still think it's the 70s and haven't realized that your monopoly over media is ending, with education and civil service in our cross-hairs. We see it as what one blogger called it, a lonbg term, intense information war for the very future and lives of our children. Those who've grown comfortable to rule by regulation and small-print think themselves protected by unions, contracts petty judges and commissions, and in your case, Brussel's fatherly attentions, but as our statists in Canada and in the US have learned (or not), the serfs can rebel and turn on their masters rather rapidly and viciously. Look up the crashing of Canada's government-fed "climate-change" establishment and Wisconsin's liberation of their civil government from civil service unions. Expect more of that soon. We've come a long way, bay-beh.

16 July 2012 at 15:46  
Blogger Anna Albion said...

Thatcher stands head and shoulders above all the other current politicians. But don't forget that Mrs T was supported by Mr R in America and President Barry is certainly no Mr R!

16 July 2012 at 16:22  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

Avi

I don't think I'm arguing for a return to 1970s statism - if you look at the debates that are actually happening, at least here in the UK, there are plenty of people arguing for a far different type of state e.g. one that favours consumer rather than producer interests - and on the UK Left this is the source of no little antagonism with some in trade unions. There are also other ways to regulate than by small print. Some here will no doubt say that there has been no change, but I'm afraid they just are not looking close enough, and they are just failing to recognise that Darwinism also applies to politics.

As for the monopoly in the media coming to an end - one hopes so - especially given that the politics of most newspaper owners here has been decidely Thatcherite for many years (including that delightful Canadian crook who used to own the Torygraph).

I note how the Liberals and your version of social democrats consistently have more than 50% of the vote in opinion polls in Canada - so I suspect your conservative tide in Canada owes more to the electoral system than anything of long term substance.

16 July 2012 at 16:40  
Blogger uk Fred said...

The problem with the present day is that no-one, neither Conservative, Liberal nor Labour, except for the honourable exception of UKIP, is arguing for a much smaller state. Cam-Moron is following on from a man who was determined to make as much of the country as he could part of his client state: only Gordon B-Ruin could arrange things so that families on over £82,000 per annum income could be beneficiaries of his favourite benefit, tax credits. Can someone explain to me why a family with a family income of £82,000 per annum needs any benefits?

16 July 2012 at 18:55  
Blogger Anna Albion said...

@Tory Boys, I can never really understand Canadian politics- I think it is to do with English speaking Canadians in the East trying to be independent of the French speaking people in Quebec, with the cowboy ranchers in the West being a bit cheesed off with everyone,as they don't think they get enough of the oil money.

I did put my foot in it when I visited the House of Commons in Canada as a young girl (one of many trips) and it was something to do with their Prime Minister Jean Chrétien and as I had not learned French properly yet, I shouted out "oh look its John Cretin".... I was told off for that, although a lot of the MP's from that nice Stewart Harper's party seemed to agree.

16 July 2012 at 19:40  
Blogger John Magee said...

MARGARITA MAGNUS

16 July 2012 at 20:01  
Blogger bluedog said...

Tory Boy @ 13.17 said, 'What I think many are now failing to recognise is that another quantum change is now happening around them.'

So true.

16 July 2012 at 21:41  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

The Inspector is on record as saying that women are not natural leaders. It is as true now with the prospect of women bishops looming as it was when Margaret Thatcher was elected leader of the Conservative party.

No appreciation of the Iron Lady can be complete without due deference to the man behind her, who is rarely mentioned. This thread is typical as his name does not appear as of yet.

Keith Joseph was the man, and our woman was a disciple of his. Had he decided himself to stand, she would have been right behind him. His de facto deputy, such was the close link between them. As it happened, he was her support.

What is quite unforgivable about Margaret is the way she alienated that mining community. It is true there was bad blood there between them and the party. But to humiliate and defeat ones fellow countrymen in the way that she did shows that she lacked the essential tool of the great – subtlety.

A leader, and a great one at that, would pull ALL society in the direction required. Of course, in the miner’s case, such was their organisation, that difficulty was assured from the onset. But, the great leader would work upon divisions and doubt, and yes, they will always exist, whatever the situation. In the miner’s case, it spawned the Democratic Union of Mineworkers.

Her demise was the poll tax. As she had it planned, if you took a holiday for two weeks of the year in a British resort. You would pay the tax over to the resort for two weeks and receive a rebate at home for the time. How the bloody hell was that to be administered cost effectively ? During those heady times of policy formation, 10,000 people disappeared from the electoral role in Liverpool alone. The only way to stop her was for her political murder, which was duly arranged.

In the end, despite her EU achievements including the most welcome rebate, you cannot reason with a woman determined at whatever the cost, don't you think ?

16 July 2012 at 22:12  
Blogger Anna Albion said...

Inspector,

Glad your posting again- was worried that you'd got radiation sickness from your visit to the nuclear power plant!

16 July 2012 at 22:24  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Ah, it’s you Anna. The visitor’s site at Sellafield is no more, so no trip out there. Just as well one checked in the morning !

By the way, have done some research on nuclear fusion as means to producing polutio free electricity. Looks like it could be the biggest technological red herring yet. Of course, it’s feasible on paper, but then so is a lot of things, Marxism for example. The really scary bit is achieving a stable working temperature of 100+ million degrees centigrade. Can you imagine entires in the accident book with that !

Did you know that the radioactive count along the coastline in West Cumbria is such that health and safety would not allow it at the reprocessing site itself. You are actually better off in the site than outside it !

16 July 2012 at 22:44  
Blogger Anna Albion said...

Hi Inspector,

Ooo, pleased to see you've done some research on nuclear fusion and your are correct in that to fuse Deuterium-Tritium does require them to be heated to a high temperature(which is why all along I said it was difficult) and/or high pressure.

You know, Nuclear Fusion has actually been achieved, albeit using deuterium-Tritium, and for about 1,000 seconds only,but as I said the thread below it is not, at present commercially viable, but it has future potential- if it were not so you would not have China and Russia scrambling around for a mission to the Moon to mine Helium 3 (The Americans were going to do so, but President Barry cancelled this plan).

In respect of the radioactivity, Fusion is relatively clean and doesn't leave behind waste in the way fission does (remember Fusion, we put together 2 atoms and fission we split an atom).

16 July 2012 at 23:25  
Blogger len said...

'Maggie' was an exceptional leader(which we are severely lacking today.)
Surprising that those who would ban women taking any sort of position in the church are those who look up to Margaret Thatcher as an exceptional leader.
It is their qualities which make good leaders not their gender.

17 July 2012 at 00:57  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Tory Boys,

Actually, our electoral system favours liberals ...in our case the Liberal and the New Democrat parties... in part due to over-representation of the urban caffé latte crowd and our dear Francophone Province of Quebec. Quebec skews this system by being the embodiment of the hypothesis that the end of democracy will come when the unproductive entitlement bums vote themselves a lot of goodies and bugger-up everyone else.

I didnt know that Lord Conrad Black once owned your Telegraph; in any case he has paid his due to society...or over-zealous American prosecutors intent on setting an example with an outsider...and occasionally writes for our conservative daily, the Natiional Post.

Im sorry, but your debate in the UK, as you describe it being in favour of a system which "favours consumer rather than producer interests," sounds like sheer nitwittery. The consumer already has ultimate control over the producer with his buying power. Those who say that he doesn't are obviously in the minority and since their buying power cannot be harnessed to give them whatever they want, they are trying, like sour little fascists to impose their desires not only on the manufacturers, but the majority at large. Calling-in the state to supposedly look out after the "interests of consumers" will only bring new taxes, fees and fines, rules and regulations, more and more limits and over-paid bureaucracies to handle a shrinking pool of producers who will just pick up and go elsewhere. O, wait, hasnt that happenned already? Good luck trying to explain to the Chinese what one's interests are.

17 July 2012 at 05:09  
Blogger Naomi King said...

What a shame we don't still have Conservatives who know what conservatism is.

There is a war going on at the heart of the nation. The political establishment, having fragmented our strong rich and cohesive Christianised culture by promoting corrosive relativism and neo-pagan multiculturalism, is now planning to fracture the bedrock social ideal of marriage as a life-long sexually exclusive union of a man and a woman. The Conservative prime minister, betraying many centuries of Christian marriage in his green and pleasant land and naively revelling in his Munich moment, makes virtue out of vice, holds a piece of paper aloft and declares triumphantly, “It’s Gay Marriage in our time”. ‘Gay marriage’ is not a human rights or equalities issue as civil partnerships fulfil those requirements. Rather it’s a deep cultural and ideological – even civilisational – war over life itself, a war declared unilaterally by the power-hungry intolerant and insatiable Stonewall Gaystapo et al.

Marginalised and dismissed as bigoted and homophobic, Christians are now despised as has-been and out of touch with the cool cosmopolitan mainstream. Christian believers are however the lone voice against this sexualisation, narcissism, hedonism, selfishness and materialism which results from neo-paganism. It is neo-paganism which has corroded and debased and caused this national confusion and self-doubt that has "hollowed out" our ruling class.

17 July 2012 at 08:08  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Thatcher was the last recognisably conservative prime minister. What followed after wasn't, and isn't, fit to polish her handbag.

She hauled this country out of the cess pit the socialists had created and for doing that she has been demonised by socialists ever since. Not even Heath, bastard traitor that he was, is so hated.

Damn but that woman was a force for good. You listening, Cameron, you sack of gutless offal?

17 July 2012 at 08:49  
Blogger len said...

Cameron and Clegg remind me of a couple (of not very good) second hand car salesmen..

Would I trust them enough to buy a car from them.?

And these are the men running the present fiasco they call a Government?.

17 July 2012 at 09:41  
Blogger bluedog said...

Inspector @ 22.12 said, 'The Inspector is on record as saying that women are not natural leaders. It is as true now with the prospect of women bishops looming as it was when Margaret Thatcher was elected leader of the Conservative party.'

blimey.

If Thatcher wasn't a natural leader this communicant doesn't know who might be. Thatcher completely disproves your mysonistic assertion.

As len says at 00.57, 'It is their qualities which make good leaders not their gender.' with which one can only agree.

And if the man behind Thatcher was called Keith rather than Dennis, how can this be true, - 'Her demise was the poll tax.'

If, as you say, Thatcher was just a mouth-piece for Keith Joseph's initiatives, it is clear that Thatcher should not be blamed for the poll tax.

Your arguments are self-contradictory.

17 July 2012 at 10:04  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Mrs King. …sexualisation, narcissism, hedonism, selfishness and materialism which results from neo-paganism…

Dear lady. One can’t but help but believe you had DanJ0 in mind when you listed the values of the Briton of the future so carefully being crafted by our political ‘representatives’ !

17 July 2012 at 10:30  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Bluedog. The Inspector has always believed the qualities of a great leader is such that he / she can superimpose their essence onto their lieutenants. Very much Henry V style, “whomever fights with me today can call himself my brother”

Sadly, Maggie did not have anything like the loyal band that the king had around him. Her team were constantly mocked. Their indecision in coming along was legion, and invited the mockery. Can’t blame her entirely for that, though, she didn’t put them up as prospective parliamentary candidates.

But then, surely a great leader can work with what they are given to work with ?

17 July 2012 at 10:43  
Blogger bluedog said...

What you say is true, Mr Inspector, a great leader shoulkd be able to work with any material. In Thatcher's case there were clearly two phases to her premiership. The first was when she governed with the last of the Second World War generation, men such as Whitelaw, Carrington and of course, Airey Neave. these were men of honour with a committment to service rather than self-nterest. Later an opposition group centered on Heseltine arose to thwart Thatcher, as we know. The nature of Thatcher's dismissal, when she was not even in the country, is typical of that poppinjay Heseltine.

17 July 2012 at 13:08  
Blogger John Magee said...

NAOMI... Bravo! Well said! You are an inspiration. Christianity will never be marginalized in Albion until the last stone from the last spire or square tower on the last great cathedral and parish church in England topples and even then your people will pull yourself up by the bootstraps and start all over again. That's the stuff indigenous British Christians are made of. That's how they created their Empire because they are tough. The multi culturalist's are wringing their hands with glee these days dreaming of victory over the hated majority culture but they can never destroy the Protestant and Roman Catholic people of Britain or their long and glorious history.

17 July 2012 at 19:27  
Blogger Paul Twigg said...

John Magee

Ironically for you, it has been pointed out in another thread that the RCC in England has been boosted by the non indigenous British Christians, such as Eastern Europeans, South East Asians etc.

17 July 2012 at 21:27  
Blogger John Magee said...

Paul. I know it's not politically incorrect to post my praise of England but what the hell? I am NOT a politically correct kind of person. Were you hinting that I was being chauvenistic? I plead guilty because I did agree with everything Naomi said. So much so I threw in a few cheers for Britain and it's majority indigeneous population who's ancestors created that wonderful island nation I highly respect for it's enormous contributions that have made the world, in so many ways, a better place to live in for us all. None of my ancestors came from England so I say this as an "outsider". As you can tell by my name, and it is my name, it is Irish. My father had Church of Ireland roots. But my mother was Czech, born in Prague in 1917, and was a Roman Catholic. She left Prague in 1946 when she saw the writing on the wall about her country's immediate political future which was written red ink. Neither of my parents were religious in a formal way so I grew up belonging to neither Church but I did attend both churches either on Christmas or Easter. My church memories include Protestant hymns and High Mass sung in Latin. I chose to become RC a few years ago in my mid 60's which enabled me to appreciate the Catholic Church in a way I would never had if I had been baptized as a baby. As far as those Eastern Europeans you mentioned are concerned I guess I can say that I am pretty well aquainted with them from my mother's dozen or so refugee friends when I was a boy. They included Russian emigres, Poles, a Hungarian and two Ukrainians. From close hand observation I am aware how easily they usually assimilate into their new homeland, especially their children. They also come without a chip on their shoulder against the majority culture unlike Muslims. As far as Filipinos are concerned, thats easy, they will also assimilate into British life quickly as most speak good English and have been exposed to American culture in the Phillipines since the beginning of the last century and they are Catholic so they are intimate with Western culture. There is a Muslim minority in Mindinao in the souther part of the Phillipines who are Islamic Jihadist's and definately should not have the welcome mat rolled out for them.

18 July 2012 at 00:52  
Blogger Naomi King said...

Good for you John !

18 July 2012 at 06:48  

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