Monday, August 13, 2012

The British Dream

There has been an American Dream since the United States were founded: an ethos constructed upon ‘Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness’ in which ‘all men are created equal’ and have been ‘endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights’. It is a Protestant ethic in which hard work is rewarded, social mobility is upward, and success leads to prosperity.

Well, that’s the dream.

The reality is often rather different: spiritual happiness has been fused with material gain; liberty conflated with consumerism; and aspiration confused with expectation. And that dream has a definite ceiling if you happen to be an immigrant: while Austrian-born Arnold Schwarzenegger could rise to become Governor of California, he was and remains constitutionally barred from ever rising to the highest office. To become President and occupy the White House one has to be a ‘natural born citizen of the United States’. Although Schwarzenegger has been a naturalised citizen since 1983, he remains foreign, and foreigners can never sufficiently integrate to be trusted with the ultimate political authority.

Mo Farah’s father was born and bred in Hounslow. He returned to his roots in Somalia, bringing Mo back here when he was eight to escape a life of hopeless poverty. Unable to speak a word of English, Mo would have immediately qualified for generous teaching assistance and a plethora of  interventions for ‘inclusion’. He would have been the sort of immigrant the BNP would want to expel/repatriate, who practises a religion which the EDL seeks to eradicate.

Yet here he is, the greatest runner in British history, winning double Olympic Gold for the United Kingdom. History is a child of conflicting perspectives, but if Mo Farah has indeed eclipsed Sir Roger Bannister as the greatest, then we must soon be looking at Sir Mo Farah. When he was rather impertinently asked after his victory in the 10,000 metres if he would rather be representing Somalia, his brusquely replied: “Not at all, mate. This is my country.”

This is indeed Mo’s country: the Somali immigrant learned English and applied himself at school. He worked hard, married and had children. He has embraced Britishness, and the British have embraced him right back. Draped in the Union Flag, he is a powerful symbol of adaptation, integration, naturalisation and absorption. There is no demand in Britain for uniformity, but a generous acceptance of difference and diversity in pursuit of the common good. That is the British culture, the ethos, which remains fundamentally Christian.

Mo Farah appears to have an interest in the politics of world hunger, and there would be nothing to prevent him from following in the steps of Sebastian Coe, whose triumph in the Olympic Games of 1980 and 1984 catapulted him into Parliament as the Honourable Member for Falmouth and Camborne. If Mo were to stand in the forthcoming Corby by-election, he would walk it (or run it), whatever his party allegiance.

But, unlike in the United States, there is no ceiling on this imagined political aspiration: the British Dream not only rewards industry and integration with financial freedom and social mobility; it permits the immigrant to participate fully in the political process, and even to become Prime Minister.

Mo Farah will certainly be honoured by the State – whether it is a CBE or a knighthood is of little consequence. He has become a role model for all children, but especially for those alienated and disaffected Muslims who prefer to build ghettos of separation and feed on the residue of anti-immigrant hostility. Mohammeds up and down the land should want to be like Mo Farah, for he is the authentic British Muslim and the voice of Anglican Islam.


Blogger TigerO said...

I think your worship is rather jumping the gun here unless your worship knows Mo personally.

He is an athlete. His genetics make him a great long distance runner.

Because of 2 gold medals he is now capable of immense mental achievement in an alien environment.

First rule of business; never start a business for which you are inadequately trained because you are doomed to failure.

Don't go down this "celebrity" road and promote someone to cult status because the consequences could be very different to what you imagined. Leave the guy alone. Let him do what he is best at; running.

13 August 2012 at 09:31  
Blogger graham wood said...

Mo came from nowhere and is going deservedly somewhere, but the other came from somewhere and is clearly going nowhere.
Why is DC in the picture?

13 August 2012 at 09:32  
Blogger Unknown said...

Well said.

It is frustrating as a Christian in the current climate to have to spend so much time warning about the dangers of mishandled immigration and militant Islam, when by instinct one wants to be welcoming, hospitable and affirming to the foreigner and non-believer.

Which makes it so welcome when such a remarkable man as Mo Farah gives us the opportunity to remind people, and perhaps even ourselves, that the values of hospitality and tolerance are not first those of secular liberals, but rather are at the heart of our culture because they are among those most prized by our own Christian faith.

13 August 2012 at 09:34  
Blogger bluedog said...

His Grace states, 'But, unlike in the United States, (the UK) permits the immigrant to participate fully in the political process, and even to become Prime Minister.' Bit of an apples and oranges problem here, Your Grace. Whatever their talents, neither David Cameron nor Mo Farah may become British Head of State, or King, an office directly comparable to that of POTUS. In so far as the Monarch is at the apex of the political system, it seems questionable to claim that the UK offers greater political opportunity to migrants.

The US President of course double dips in that she/he is also Prime Minister of the US.

13 August 2012 at 09:41  
Blogger Paul Twigg said...

I thought Obama was from Kenya, which is why he didn't like the British?

13 August 2012 at 09:57  
Blogger Paul Twigg said...


Not quite, England has had several foreigners as the head of state, they are just aristocratic ones. Here are a few I can think of :

Canute - Danish
William I -French
Henry VII -Welsh
James I - Scottish
William III- Dutch
George I -German

13 August 2012 at 10:06  
Blogger bluedog said...

A fair point, Mr Twigg @ 10.06, and historically correct.

But that was then and this is now.

13 August 2012 at 10:13  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Bluedog,

Sorry, but you are constitutionally incorrect in your assertion. Parliament is omnipotent in the selection and appointment of the Head of State. We are not bound by the hereditary principle, as was seen in the forced abdication of Edward VIII.

13 August 2012 at 10:16  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

Well done to Mo and he deserves all the praise he is getting. I can't help thinking though, that he is the exception and not the rule. Mass alien culture (Islam) immigration is a bad thing and is harming us beyond repair.

13 August 2012 at 10:29  
Blogger Pierre_Picaud said...

There are at least 90,000 Somali immigrants in London. Their unemployment level is over 85%; meanwhile the unemployment level in failed-state Somalia is 65%. (please read, "Somalis in Camden: Challenges faced by an emerging community")

Somali Muslims, like Mr Farah, follow the Shafi'i school of Islam. Under Shafi'i jurisprudence (as evidenced by section E4.3 of the Reliance of the Traveller and Tools for the Worshipper the most respected manual of Shafi'i Islam, whose English translation may be Googled by anyone) female circumcision -- at the very least total excision of the clitoris -- is compulsory.

Mo Farah is such a "real" and "authentic" Muslim, that he didn't even observe the Ramadan fast during his racing. This edict is of course totally optional in Islam, as we can see from the Islamic world (where real Islam rules, rather than some sort of imagined variant that exists only in the minds of Westerners) as the peace and democracy brought by the Arab Spring has resulted in non-Muslims now being arrested and imprisoned for not "observing" the fast themselves in public.

Of course none of this matters. And for the next decade anyone bringing up these facts will be deemed to be some kind of deranged bigot divorced from reality, because, thanks to multiculturalism and Mo's marvellous medals, the exception will be regarded as the rule.

And woe betide anyone who dares to disagree.

13 August 2012 at 10:33  
Blogger bluedog said...

Your communicant understands and accepts your statement as being correct in the final analysis, Your Grace. But absent a Parliamentary decision to repeal the Act of Settlement 1701, the hereditary principle does apply. After all, in 1936, the Crown merely passed to the abdicating Monarch's younger brother.

13 August 2012 at 10:48  
Blogger TigerO said...

I would also like to address another part of this immediate celebration of Mo's success and his elevation to higher social status and authority.

The purpose of the visit to No 10 to visit the PM was launch a drive to rid the World of 175 million hungry mouths and to highlight that they too could be winning gold medals at the Olympics if only they were properly fed.

Mo, wittingly or not, is being used as a poster boy for Charities. Their focus is not the UK or even Europe but primarily Africa.

Now I was very privileged to grow up on the African savannah and from this vantage have the immense pleasure to watch and admire our Creator at work. Africa is recorded as the cradle of life. Its violence and extremes allow those privileged to witness it, ever more awe of our Creator. The greatest lesson one learns whilst observing this is the incredible power of nature and the purpose of life and magnificence of the Creator's plan in reality.

So what has this to do with Mo. The plan of the Creator is to develop species through natural selection. The strongest survive and the weakest perish. To our minds this is harsh but it the way the Creator intended it to be.

The regions of Africa where starvation and deprivation are highest are those regions that are least arable and suffer severe drought. Nature itself will only sustain a given number of inhabitants. It was many years ago when the great drive to save the starving of Biafra and Ethiopia started. It has never stopped. We continue to throw resources at the problem without success. Why are we not being successful?

We are not successful because we are trying to fight the Creator's plan and we will not win. The more we save from starvation the bigger the problem will get and it is exponential. Ultimately the whole of the most developed and stable parts of the World will be expending all their resources on supporting the other half of the World that cannot sustain themselves. Ultimately the price of basic foods will start to rise rapidly and we can early signs of this at present. In the next decade we will see our own populations starving not because the food is not available but because they cannot afford to buy it. This will then start fiscal drag. Less and less people will be supporting more and more people.

Like all of nature we must accept the Creator's plan. People do die and this is an ecological cycle we must all accept because in the process the product is a stronger, more intelligent and able individual irrespective of species.

13 August 2012 at 11:10  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

So, remind me about the status of that "letting Catholics be king" thing Cameron was on about a few months ago.

13 August 2012 at 12:30  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...


If you are an example of the workmanship of a craftsman creator, I suggest it's time he signed up to evening remedial classes and tossed you in to the reject bin.

13 August 2012 at 12:31  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Dreadnaught @ 12.31, do mean that Mr TigerO is wrong? Or are you just trying to tell us that you don't like his somewhat Malthusian ideas?

13 August 2012 at 12:53  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Mr Blue

He is wrong on many issues in my opinion and I'm a bit surprised that he hasn't been challenged on his rather obscure understanding of the divine plan for mankind.

Rather than Malthus, I think the literal works of Hitler et al would be a more appropriate starting point.

I find so much of what he said at odds with reason or intellect that I'm at a loss at where I would begin; either from a post culturally Christian, atheistic, evolutionist, Darwinist or even a benign humanist perspective.

Maybe later this evening.

13 August 2012 at 13:22  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...


You appear to have conflated a response by a Malthusian State to the logistics of feeding the world with Christian duty of love.

The questions Jesus will ask of you and I one day is really quite simple: "did you feed me? did you clothe me? did you care for me when I was sick? did you visit me in prison?"

That we know the "poor will always be with us" does not diminish our duty to them. That we know this world will end in bondage to the Beast does not discount our slavery to Christ.

It is not enough to stop doing what is right because it is an impossible task. That makes out that such tasks are hopeless. Hope is the foundation of our witness.

13 August 2012 at 13:28  
Blogger Damian said...

Anglican Islam? is that the religion of the multi culti brigade?

13 August 2012 at 13:31  
Blogger Mark Richardson said...

There is no demand in Britain for uniformity, but a generous acceptance of difference and diversity in pursuit of the common good. That is the British culture, the ethos, which remains fundamentally Christian.

It is secular liberals who want to make ethnicity not matter, and who have therefore pushed forward with civic nationalism and mass immigration.

This isn't good news for Christianity, as it means the displacement of an historically Christian population with a non-Christian one.

Nor is the triumph of modernist, secular liberalism going to do anything to promote attachment to a common good.

Secular liberals do not even conceive of a solidarity amongst co-nationals. For them solidarity can only be an expression of compassion for the "other". Nothing wrong with such compassion, but it is no basis for a common good amongst co-nationals.

13 August 2012 at 13:42  
Blogger David B said...

Mark Richardson, what makes you think that you are an expert on the views of secular liberals?

David B

13 August 2012 at 14:15  
Blogger John Magee said...

One thing is certain. The British dream will NEVER allow Mo Farah to become the King of England or even be allowed to marry into the Royal Family. He will most likely never be listed in Burke's Peergage with the titled families of England or be socializing on an intimate basis in the homes of the British institutional aristocracy any time soon.

The USA Constitution does not allow an immigrant to become President out of the Founding Father's concern for possible of dual allegiances of Presidential candidates in a country made up of immigrants. I think that makes sense. At the same time all USA President's including President Obama ARW the descendants of immigrants. How many British PM's are the descendants of non British stock? Why is a Roman Catholic forbidden to become of King or Queen of England? Talk about "ceilings" to overcome

I don't see the connection between Arnold Schwarzenegger, a former world champion weight lifter, actor and Governor of California and a Somalie refugee who won a Gold Medal at the Olympics for Britain in 2012. Nor do I see a need to take at swipe at the so called "American Dream" which has given hope and the reality of security and wealth to tens of millions of poor and political refugees from Europe who left that continent to escape the class divisions and persecution in Europe and Britain centuries before the first non white immigrants from the Empire started to immigrate to Anglo Saxon Britain in 1948.

Every member of the American Olympic Team is a descendant of immigrants or slaves (even the "native Americans" are immigrants. Their ancestors migrated over the Bering Strait over 15,000 years ago to eventually spread to all of the North and South America)and a few maybe are possibly immigrants themsleves, I don't know

Making the joyous victory of Mo Farah into a sneer at the USA and it's way of life was uncalled for and arrogant.

By the way. Those American descendanats of immigrants from all over the world won the most Gold, Silver, and Bronze medals at the London Olympics in 2012.

13 August 2012 at 14:55  
Blogger TigerO said...

Dreadnought et al you have lived in a soft cocoon too long.

Despite all man's intelligence and engineering expertise he has been unable to tame nature. Natural disasters are there for all to see.

You may feel the warm inner glow of your charity as you feed the starving hordes. You fail to realise that in so doing you are making the situation worse not better.

Those same starving hordes will generate their own starving families at an exponential rate. The areas in which they live cannot sustain the populations imposed on them.

As food resources dwindle so does food security become more fragile. Two things happen; states whose food security becomes threatened restrict the food they have (see food rationing WW2); in those areas where the population which was fed from external sources will no longer get that food. So a problem that was relatively minor decades ago becomes a major disaster.

History has also taught us that food insecurity causes wars.

The Lord Jesus Christ said give a man a fish and satisfy his hunger for a day but teach the man to fish and he will feed himself for life.

13 August 2012 at 15:02  
Blogger John Nicoll said...

When you have achieved what he has achieved you don't need a Knighthood, OBE, CBE OR CDM to validate you - he's already done that for himself!

13 August 2012 at 15:18  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...


I'm pretty sure that Jesus isn't recorded as saying that. Google seems to suggest that it's actually a Chinese proverb.

Here's a couple of things the Bible does say about hunger:

If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday. (Isaiah 58:10)

“Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.” (Luke 3:11; Jesus' own words)

As I said, your error is in conflating a response better reserved to a State with the one facing us as Christian individuals.

As it happens, I tend to agree that - emergency situations notwithstanding - simply creating dependency on handouts is not a responsible or particularly generous way of living. But where our brother starves, and we have food to spare: we are answerable for our conduct.

Christianity has always held that there are certain actions that are good in and of themselves - that it is good and right to care for one's neighbour, even if it is not rational, and even if there is no "comeback" for doing so. Where you show love for your neighbour, you aren't creating dependency, you are responding to Christ in another, and treating that person with compassion and honour as if Our Lord was standing straight before you.

When we ask Jesus how we can honour Him, He tells us: love the least of these brothers of mine.

13 August 2012 at 15:37  
Blogger Robert said...

" for he is the authentic British Muslim and the voice of Anglican Islam."

Anglican Islam? WTF? The smell of burned toast floats all the way across the Atlantic. This little feel good story has nothing to do with no go zones or Islamic supremacy does it? Will it reverse it? When the Olympic hangover passes and reality sets in, you will rediscover that there are are ten thousand Anjem Choudrays to each Mr. Farah.

13 August 2012 at 15:50  
Blogger John Magee said...


"Anglican Islam".

In the late 6th century Pope Gregory the Great once saw descendants of Danish and North Germans from Britain (later called Anglo-Saxons) being sold in a slave market in Rome and because of their blond hair and blue eyes he was impressed by their beauty. According to legend he said to priests with him "they look like angels". I believe Angeli (possible root word for Anglican)is the Latin word for Angels. True story? I don't know. I hope so. Of course the real definition of "Anglican" may be from the Medieval Catholic Latin term "ecclesia anglicana" meaning "the English Church". Henry VIII's national church founded on divorce changed the meaning of Anglican in the late 1520's and early 1530's. Today it's interesting to see how a new PC version of the meaning of Anglican has been instantly invented because of Olympic Gold Medal winner: "Anglican Islam". Interesting concept.

13 August 2012 at 15:56  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

There was King Ralph though....

13 August 2012 at 17:21  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Dreadnought,

Good to see your back (was it escape from the games?). Mr TigerO would do well to read this article about underground African water reserves, before suggesting Africa doesn't have the resources for its population- it does, just not the technology:

13 August 2012 at 17:29  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...


You have made several statements as facts - none of which have you backed with any evidence let alone that you know even less about ANYTHING of my life experiences or anyone else's for that matter.

Anyway, let's roll with your assertion that:- 'Those same starving hordes will generate their own starving families at an exponential rate. The areas in which they live cannot sustain the populations imposed on them'

Ok then, what should be done? - and forget ye not - there are people starving to death as we type.

13 August 2012 at 18:02  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

DoDo - cut the crap.

13 August 2012 at 18:03  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Your Grace, although the Greeks invented the laurel wreath to say to the recipient, here you are and well done, there is more to it. By far the most important aspect of the wreath is that it will physically deteriorate, and once it has withered, you are as you were. And nothing more. To get back your position, you need to win another wreath. There will come a time when winning of wreaths is in the past – and you know your glory days are over..

With this in mind, our man achieves a couple of Gold medals, and you fall at his feet ! Good Lord man, what is wrong with you Sir ?

Incidentally, these 90,000 ‘refuges’. Someone please tell the Inspector that once Somalia is resolved (…assuming it can shake off its black and Islam loser status, big ask, one realises…) that ALL these fellows will be helped on their way back there, gongs or not. One recalls when a number of them were employed by the post office in east London, and helped themselves to whatever their thieving hands could find. Their way of saying thank you for asylum maybe ?

Except in individual cases where their emigration here would be to OUR national good, black Africans belong in Africa, don’t forget that now…

13 August 2012 at 18:09  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

One feels one must support the views of the Tiger.

If drought and starvation are regularly on the cards, don’t live there. It does make sense and it’s a conclusion not too difficult to come to, even for blacks. And of course, it allows you to find another more productive use for your continually outstretched hand, and stops you being a burden on everyone else !

On the subject of using this black athlete Mo to highlight hunger, an old story is brought to mind. It concerns a journalist who was invited to a gala reception to launch yet another relief program. Asked by a colleague how it went, he said “Marvellous. Haven’t eaten that well for years…”

13 August 2012 at 18:18  
Blogger Paul Twigg said...


No problem, I can see where you are coming from actually.

Hannah- King Ralph?! Wasn't that a film?

Dreadnaught- eh? Dodo hasn't even posted on this blog thread.

13 August 2012 at 18:20  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...


While I don't think that "black Africans belong in Africa" in quite the same way that I sense you do, there is an element of truth to what you're saying.

One of the biggest problems facing the "less-developed" world is the brain-drain (something we are beginning to see ourselves in certain areas). I've never seen it as particuarly noble to swipe all the best minds. In fact, I'd rather see more collaborative partnerships built up - a little like the John Stott Ministries funds for foreign preachers, where people come to the UK to receive training in the expectation that they will go back to their own nation to use that training.

Obviously asylum is something very different from normal migration when it involves fleeing from persecution, but when it involves fleeing from dire economic circumstances, I can't help but think there are better solutions available to us that will not merely help to relieve the cause, but strengthen the standing of the UK internationally in the long-term.

13 August 2012 at 18:23  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

Dodo? Where?

On topic - for all this praising of Mo Farah I am still not 100% convinced, mainly for the fact that he did not sing the national anthem. If I recall correctly, doesn't Islam say somewhere about not singing anthems?

13 August 2012 at 18:24  
Blogger John Magee said...


"Anglican Muslims" sounds cute, very PC, and oh so "look at us" tolerant.

Does this clever new C of E definition of modern multi-cultural "Britishness" dreamed up by one of it's members on a Blog mean there will be minarets built on both the west and east ends of Canterbury Cathedral and Westminster Abbey in the near future?

I wouldn't be surprised.

If this ever happens I hope the C of E bishops and bishopettes have the sense to pick Gothic Revival style minarets for the first two Cathedrals mentioned above. Minarets for St Paul's Cathedral in London must be in the Late Renaisance or Baroque style. The style of minarets which were added to the Church of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople after 1453 would also be appropriate.


Race, gender, and sexual orientation are the holy trinity of the left.

13 August 2012 at 18:37  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Article: "There is no demand in Britain for uniformity, but a generous acceptance of difference and diversity in pursuit of the common good."

Was this tongue in cheek? The Telegraph comments pages are full of people calling for an obligation for immigrants and their subsequent generations to assimilate. Ironically, there are plenty of the people saying that who post from Spain as ex-pats in Little England communities. Moreover, there are demands for the same down here in the comments pages rather regularly. There's a 1950s nostalgia down here where uniformity, albeit within class strata, is seen as a Good And Necessary Thing.

13 August 2012 at 18:44  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Yes Anna, it's the Nubian Sandstone aquifer system project which Gaddaffi was financing without loans from the west, the underground pipework, roads and ducts to supply the Libyans and later the people of Chad with fresh water. Socialism at it's best enabling people to feed themselves rather than rely on handouts from the west. I'm not a socialist but some aspects of it are good and necessary.

I think the observations of Thomas Malthus are spot on.

As Christians, instead of handing out sandwiches and money what we should be doing is taking our technology and farming to teach it to the third world so that they will be able to sustain themselves long term. But that takes a lot of time and patience with little reward and they have to be ready to take it in and apply it. Then the west encourage a dictator like Mugabe to rule who's regime destroys it all. I wonder human nature at work?

13 August 2012 at 18:47  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Belfast. The fleeing of talent to the UK from the ‘developing’ countries has always struck one as crime against those countries. Among the most blatant was the NHS. There can be no blame attached to those who do it, they played the international system and won.

There is no logical or ethical reason why 90000 Somalis should be allowed to remain in the UK. Little is heard about them, so, unlike the usual urban street negro, they are not causing any trouble. This suggests they are the educated elite of Somalia who made a run for it. What a bloody disaster if they can’t or won’t go back ! It reminds one of the Katyn massacre when the Soviet Union took out the Polish equivalent in one go. Will Somalia in time replace them - of course not...

13 August 2012 at 19:03  
Blogger non mouse said...

Mr. Magee... Gregory was indulging in paronomasia: between angels [Angelos from Gk. "messenger" /Chambers] and the various words for "Angles" [OE: Engel/i ], the germanic tribe whose people settled in England mainly after the Romans left, in the 5th century AD.

Chambers Dictionary is among those which confirm: "L Anglus[-i] [is] from the Germanic name for the people of Angul, a district of Schleswig-Holstein."

Chambers' etymology further indicates that the word "angle" derives from Old English angul "hook" [Bosworth-Toller lists this as either angel or angil] ... it could, anyway, refer to the geographical position of the Anglian homeland.

The other variant is "Angle"; g. a; dat. um; pl. m. ... defined in B-T as: "The ANGLES, who came from Anglen [v. Angel = Engel Anglen] in Denmark, and occupied the greater part of England, from Suffolk to the Frith of Forth, including Mercia. Bede says, -- Ðæt mynster, Æbbercurníg, ðæt is geseted on Engla lande the minster, Abercorn, that is seated in the land of the Angles, of Engla land = England, Bd. 4, 26; S. 602, 35. Abercorn is on the south coast of the Frith of Forth, and at the mouth of the river Carron, where the Roman wall of Severus began, and extended to the Frith of Clyde. Bede wrote his history about A. D. 731, at which time Abercorn was within the bounds of Engla land = England :-- Ðæt land, ðætte Angle ǽr hæfdon the land, that the Angles formerly had, Bd. 4, 26; S. 602, 30. To Anglum to the Angles, Chr. 443; Th. 18, 33, col. 1; 19, 30, col. 1. Ðá cómon ða menn of þrým mægþum Germanie, -- of Eald-Seaxum, of Anglum, of Iotum then came the men from three tribes of Germany, -- from Old-Saxons, from Angles, from Jutes, Chr. 449; Th. 20, 18-21, col. 1."

These people, therefore, provided the name for England, and for English. Baugh and Cable note: "From the beginning, these people never call their language anything but Englisc (49).

Baugh, Albert C. and Thomas Cable. A History of the English Language. 4th ed. Englewood Cliffs, N.J: Prentice Hall, 1993.

Bede. Bede's History of the English Church and People. Tr. L. Sherley Price. Rev. ed. London: Harmondsworth; 1955, 1968. (Bosworth-Toller quotes Bede. 5 of his OE manuscripts survive from the from the 10th and 11th centuries).

An Anglo-Saxon Dictionary: Based on the Manuscript Collections of the Late Joseph Bosworth. Ed. T. Northcote Toller. An Electronic Application on CD-Rom Ver. 0.2b. Digitised by Sean Crist et al. 2001-2007. Application by Ondrej Tichy, 2006-7.

The Chambers Dictionary. New 9th Ed. Edinburgh: Chambers, 2003.

13 August 2012 at 19:30  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...


It's a serious problem.

The irony is, that if we actually worked with migrants with the aim of them returning to their home country in the long-run, we might find ourselves spreading pro-UK sentiment, not to mention creating concrete links for mutual trade - and more importantly, mutually beneficial trade.

The old idea of the brotherhood of nations, or the Commonwealth, rather than the bureaucratic EU or the corrupt UN. Mutuality rather than derogation of sovereginty.

This of course would require an acknowledgement that the interest of the nation need not be to the detriment of others, that patriotic sentiment need not be defined by exclusion, and that in general one's national identity is an important thing (even if it is not the only important thing). Alas, the core of the commentariat does not consider the possibility of these things, seeing only their most vulgar and offensive corruptions.

13 August 2012 at 19:35  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Paul

Yes King Ralph was a movie about an American becoming King of the UK, very funny I thought. Imagine if we had King Jacobs or a King John II!

13 August 2012 at 19:36  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Bravo that mouse. A thorough coverage of that interesting word. You have not disappointed...

13 August 2012 at 19:43  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...


As usual you speak sense. Why did I hear from various sources that you were a right wing bigot?

13 August 2012 at 19:46  
Blogger non mouse said...


Chambers also indicates that "Anglican" is a churchly term which derives from: "Med L. Anglicanus, from L Anglus Angle." And so to Your Grace, who leaves me with a conundrum.

It's the business of "British Moslem" and "Anglican Islam." In view of your propensity for irony, I wonder if these oxymorons present a Paradox that truly contains its own solution.

If the contradiction is not such, then I fear it inverts the Christian Paradox, so presaging a great evil that will destroy a great good.

In that case, perhaps today's version of Mohammed is indeed a messenger.

13 August 2012 at 19:48  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

This is what we find Belfast. Although the majority who communicate like to think their views are ‘the decent thing’, all they are doing is expressing the opinion that they believe is expected of them.

We are at the moment in our human development, of the nation, and like one’s house, it should be kept in good order. This consideration should in no way bother others in their houses who are doing the very same..

13 August 2012 at 19:56  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Ah, it’s you Lavendon. How is that for you Sir. An answer to you in the first sentence of ones previous post !

13 August 2012 at 19:58  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Dreadnaught said...
"DoDo - cut the crap."


13 August 2012 at 20:23  
Blogger Turnip Ghost said...

Pity about not being able to be Head of State or even to marry into that family without having constitutional problems.
Oh well.

13 August 2012 at 20:39  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Turnip, our Prince William married his long term university screw. The times, they are a changing. One feels a song coming on !

13 August 2012 at 20:48  
Blogger TigerO said...

Dreadnought; some facts for you;

Future generations: locked in conflict?

This trajectory is significant because the population of SSA is set to double within a generation, according to World Bank data from 2008. This implies diminishing opportunities and resources in SSA, particularly for the most vulnerable members of society: women, the poorly educated and the unemployed.

It further implies more famines akin to the crisis in the Horn of Africa, exacerbated by expanding conflicts over shrinking resources. The growing conflict thesis is supported by another recent UNU working paper by UNU-WIDER researcher Markus Brückner, which finds that “for Sub-Saharan Africa there continues to be a highly significant average effect of population size and per capita income on civil war risk [...] The population size of the Sub-Saharan region has grown at a rate of about 2.5 per cent and is projected to double by 2036.”

According to Brückner, “strategies that keep a tab on population growth in SSA will have pay-offs that extend beyond a simple income effect — they reduce the risk of civil war”. Ziesemer, meanwhile, counsels a greater focus on public investments, which would in turn encourage private investment and economic development while nudging down population growth rates.

40% of the population are under 16;

The race between population growth and economic development in sub-Saharan Africa is one of the great dramas of the modern world. High rates of population increase and slow-growing or stagnating economies throughout much of the region have thwarted modernization and development efforts. Against this backdrop, the drama remains as engaging and intense as ever.

The pace of population growth is expected to slow in sub-Saharan Africa, either through lower birth rates or — tragically — through higher death rates. Fertility has declined already in a handful of African countries, but an increasing number of countries face an HIV/AIDS epidemic that is reversing hard-won gains in life expectancy.

Even so, sub-Saharan Africa, which includes many of the poorest countries in the world, is likely to more than double in population size by 2050. The nations are struggling to provide education, housing, jobs, and health care for their burgeoning populations, while trying to compete in the world economy, cope with internal and international political conflicts, and contain epidemics.

Providing charitable aid for immediate relief of human suffering is one thing, creating a culture of dependency is quite another.

Up to 2007 some US$30bn in aid had been provided to Africa. No progress has been made and African countries are requesting that these loans be written off. In many instances the preferential interest rates on these loans exceed gdp. In considering this, note that Robert Mugabe is the 3rd richest man in Africa whilst Zimbabwe's population is dependent on international food aid. Half Zimbabwe's population live in South Africa.

13 August 2012 at 21:51  
Blogger bluedog said...

M/s Hannah @ 17.29, from the beeb article, 'Due to changes in climate that have turned the Sahara into a desert over centuries many of the aquifers underneath were last filled with water over 5,000 years ago.'

In other words there is no current replenishment for these aquifers. Using the resource for drinking water, if potable, is fine. But attempting irrigation of crops risks depleting a non-renewable resource, so then what? Some advice from the Israelis on irrigation in hot climates with attendant high evaporation would be wise. The Chinese face this problem with their aquifer irrigated cropping on the North China Plain. They've just about wrecked the aquifer.

13 August 2012 at 21:59  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Bluedog,

You are quoting from one bit of the article- the main argument is that Africa has more water than people think, it is getting to it that is the problem.

And I agree with you that Israeli technology , which has turned Israel into an agri- super power-could be applied to help with the world's water supply, if only certain people wanted a peace process that could be a big dividend for Africa the middle east and China.

13 August 2012 at 22:20  
Blogger bluedog said...

Well said, Mr TigerO. The points you raise are entirely valid and this communicant fully understands your inference about the potential carrying capacity of the African continent.

It is a calculation that must be applied to every piece of real estate on the planet.

However scientific and technical advances have a wonderful way of providing a solution. We have seen global population double in the last thirty years and yes, the rate does seem exponential. However as societies get richer their level of education increases too. Importantly it becomes common for women to be educated, something not usually seen in the poorest societies and of course, not at all in many quite rich Islamic societies. Once women are educated the number of children drops from an average of five per head to replacement or below. Currently the economic growth rate in Africa is very high, greater than 5% pa, so many African nations are lifting themselves up to a higher living standard that may soon enable them to achieve lasting rather than cyclical gains.

In other words these societies will learn to manage drought and other natural disasters rather than to react to the crisis.

13 August 2012 at 22:22  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

A calamity for Africa is that malaria is eradicated. The population growth will reach epic proportions. A black African female can knock out six children, no problem, as she is acknowledged as the most fertile human in humanity. And her produce will breed from 12 years upwards. There could well be a gap of vulnerability before the AIDs virus restores the population.

Nature has an answer to everything, but it may well be a close run thing...

13 August 2012 at 22:28  
Blogger bluedog said...

Greetings, Hannah.

Off topic but relevant to His Grace's initial post, will we now see demands from the Islamic nations for an Islamic Olympics?

Could any Islamic nation guarantee security for Israeli competitors?

Which Islamic state would come closest to being able to manage the Games?

It's a very short short-list.

13 August 2012 at 22:28  
Blogger bluedog said...

You are wrong, Mr Inspector @ 22.28.

The critical factor is not eradicating malaria, or ebola, but eradicating ignorance.

Once the women are educated they stop allowing themselves to be baby making machines. Once they see their children survive early childhood they no longer need to give birth every year for fifteen years, so health is important too.

Fortunately the Vatican has finally seen the light and ended its Darwinian ban on condoms, which prevent AIDS and unwanted pregnancies.

13 August 2012 at 22:37  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Bluedog, African women knock them out at a prestigious rate because their children are their pension. The more children they have, the better they eat in their old age. And remember this, this attitude is millennia old....

13 August 2012 at 22:42  
Blogger Mark Richardson said...

If you read the leading academic liberal writers, they generally have the view that the primary good in life is that of individual autonomy, defined to mean that individuals should not be impeded to live a life defined according to their own choice (sometimes terms like self-authored or self-created life are used).

But if what matters is that our life is self-determined, then the main impediment to living a good life are those aspects of existence which are predetermined.

And that includes whatever we receive by way of tradition or biology - aspects of life such as ethnicity or our sex or our sexuality or family roles or family types.

We are to be "liberated" from such "prisons" or "straitjackets" to a life in which there is just the "unencumbered" human being.

And so a primary aim of the modern secular West is to make our sex not matter, our ethnicity not matter, our sexuality not matter, traditional moral codes not matter, family arrangements not matter and so on (or put differently, not to have discrimination on the basis of such qualities).

It is a radical programme, just as radical as communism or any other twentieth century ideology ever was. It is also destructive of many of the ties that once bound people together and gave them reason to make sacrifices for others.

Yes, it's true that the left does practise identity politics in which gender and race matter a great deal.

But that's because the left wants to share out autonomy - or the resources to live an autonomous self-determining life (especially "power" - see the emphasis on empowerment, but also money, education, careers etc) - equally. And the left explains any lack of such equality in terms of one group of people creating a false category (men, whites etc) in order to gain an unearned privilege at the expense of the oppressed other.

This means that the left does focus obsessively on who/whom when it comes to sex and race and sexuality, but that's within the context of a belief that the ideal society is one in which races, countries, family types, religions cease to matter (anyone see John Lennon's Imagine played at the Olympics?)

13 August 2012 at 22:46  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

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13 August 2012 at 22:47  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Bluedog,

The answer is none.

Which is quite sad, given that Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews once made up important minorities of the middle East, North Africa and Persia till they got chucked out thanks to Arab and Islamic nationalism (just don't tell Corrigan 1). You know the Talmud was written in Iraq? I would like to suggest Morocco is a good place to start, but even there, you see a rise in the fundamentalism.

13 August 2012 at 22:52  
Blogger John Magee said...

non mouse

Thank you for your lengthy quote from The Chambers Dictionary. It says the Romans left Germany (west of the Rhine and south of the Danube) in the 5th century (600's AD) so that would make it possible that Pope Gregory the Great, who lived from 540 -604 AD, atcually saw blue eyed blond haired slaves in Rome who were brought there from what is now northern Germany or southern Denmark before the Romans left Germany. Maybe they were early Anglo Saxon migrants from present day England after St. Agustine arrived at Canterbury from Rome in 597 AD and sent he a few of these blond and blue eyed specimens from England to Rome for the Pope's inspection. If so he could have been surprised by their blond hair and blue eyes, a rarity in Rome, and he could have easily called them in Latin "Angeli" (angels). I think it's possible do you? The legend might have some truth after all. Latin for angel is Angelus and the German word for angel is Engel with the same Latin roots as our English word angel. So in the end the Pope Gregory legend might have some legs to stand on. So it looks like the Protestant Anglicans can't escape the fact their name has Latin and Roman Catholic roots going back to perhaps Pope Gregory the Great. Are Anglicans angels? I'm sure more than few might be.

By the way. The German Marxist Fredrich Engels has a last name which of course means "angel" in German. He was definately NOT an angel.

13 August 2012 at 22:58  
Blogger TigerO said...

@Bluedog; there is another factor in the family planning story. Africa remains a male dominated society. Culturally males consider it their right to be polygamous whilst expecting their wives to be monogamous. See Pres Zuma of South Africa. The number of children born of the wives is seen as a testament to the virility of the male.

Having worked in family planning in Africa I know that whilst women desire contraception male attitudes to the practice make it very difficult. Extensive use of progesterone based depot injectable contraception is favoured to eliminate the need for daily tablet administration. Depot injections are active for 3 months and over long term administration can prevent pregnancy for up to 24 months. However such measures often trigger suspicion on the part of male partners which often be violent. Education is only a part of the process. The move away from cultural norms has been a major stumbling block in the process.

13 August 2012 at 22:59  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

bluedog said ...
"Fortunately the Vatican has finally seen the light and ended its Darwinian ban on condoms, which prevent AIDS and unwanted pregnancies."

Point of information.

The teaching against contraception is not "Darwinian" but is based on a Catholic view of marraige and sexual relationships.

The Church's teaching on all forms artificial forms of contraception has not changed. Pope Benedict's personal observation about male prostitutes and AIDS has been misrepresented and, in any case, carries no official status.

13 August 2012 at 23:03  
Blogger non mouse said...

Mr. Magee... I'm sorry you misunderstand. I am not talking about Germans, neither do I suggest that Gregory was talking about Germans. I think we do well to remember that the Romans never fully conquered the German homelands.

I said that the Angles are: "the germanic tribe whose people settled in England mainly after the Romans left, in the 5th century AD."

My discussion traced the history of the word "Anglian," as it applies to those settlers who gave England its name (Englalond = Land of the Angles), and the name of their language (English).

My longest quote is from the respected Bosworth-Toller's dictionary of Old English... which provides examples and evidence for those developments.

However, I initially pointed out that Gregory had punned: with the similar sounding Greek word "Angelos" (an "Angel" is a "messenger").

We inherit the story you cite from the Venerable Bede ... who explained the situation as it was understood among Anglians- for Bede's Northumbria is an Anglian area. The interpretation was also nearer to the time in question: Bede's dates are AD 673-735; Gregory's are AD 540-604.

Providing His Grace does not object, I will post the full story. It is, after all, relevant in that it explains who we Anglians are, and also our relationship to Christianity. We are not Moslems, Mohammedans, or Islamists. Mohammed's dates, incidentally, are circa AD 570-632.


14 August 2012 at 00:55  
Blogger John Magee said...


Whatever people think about contraception there is no doubt contraception has reduced Europe's replacement rate to 2.1 children per family (or whatever a family is today in the West). That means that Europeans, especially those in traditionally Catholic countries that used to have high birth rates like Ireland, Italy, Spain, France, etc are not reproducing at a level that can maintain the present population levels. Scandinavia is finished and they know it. That's why Scandinavian gov'ts in the 1960's started even back then planning for massive 3rd world immigration to fill the gap for needed workers to keep their welfare states afloat in the future (today). They forgot their "New Swedes" would themselves come to Scandinavia to live off the welfare state and take advantage of all it's goodies. Look at Swedish cities today like Malmo and see what Sweden has done to itself. Every Western European country is LOSING it's indigenous population at a level that soon will be almost impossible to increase even if there was even a chance that would happen with a new generation having more babies. To put it bluntly Western Europe (and a few Central European countries like the Czech Republic) has "condomed" itself into ethnic suicide.

14 August 2012 at 01:11  
Blogger John Magee said...

non mouse

You are corret. That's why I said my post the Romans west of the Rhine and south of the Danube Rivers. Those were the boundaries of the Roman Empire it what is today Germany.

14 August 2012 at 01:14  
Blogger John Magee said...

non mouse

Three cheers for you!!! We are Christians living in a Christian culture and our dating system begins with Christ's birth (off by a few years). It's BC and AD for us. No "Before the Common Era" or "After the Common Era" nonsense to please those few Christophobes in the West "offended" by the fact that no matter how anyone tries to change it. At this moment in time the year is 2012 Anno Domini!. Thank you for your courage to stand up for BC and AD.

14 August 2012 at 01:23  
Blogger non mouse said...

Bede begins by noting that Gregory's tomb credits the Pope for converting the Angles.

Bede continues:
----I must here relate a story, handed down to us by the traditions of our forebears, which explains Gregory's deep desire for the salvation of our nation. We are told that one day some merchants who had recently arrived in Rome displayed their many wares in the market-place. Among the crowd who thronged to buy was Gregory, who saw among other merchandise some boys exposed for sale. These had fair complexions, fine-cut freatures, and beautiful hair. Looking at them with interest, he enquired from what country and what part of the world they came. "They come from the island of Britain," he was told, "where all the people have this appearance." He then asked whether the islanders were Christians, or whether they were still ignorant heathens. "They are pagans," he was informed.

"Alas!" said Gregory with a heartfelt sigh: "how sad that such bright-faced folk are still in the grasp of the author of darkness, and that such graceful features conceal minds void of God's grace! What is the name of this race?"

"They are called Angles," he was told.

"That is appropriate," he said, "for they have angelic faces, and it is right that they should become joint-heirs with the angels in heaven. And what is the name of the province from which they have been brought?"

"Deira,"** was the answer.

"Good. They shall indeed be rescued de ira--from wrath--and called to the mercy of Christ. And what is the name of their king?"

"Aelle,"*** he was told.

"Then," said Gregory, making play on the name, "it is right that their land should echo the praise of God our Creator in the word Alleluia." ----

**It is worth noting that Deira occupied what is now roughly East Yorkshire... between the rivers Tees and Humber, and between the coast and the Vale of York. Most sources agree with Higham that the name is Celtic (Brythonic)... possibly derived from Deifr, meaning "waters", or from Daru, meaning "oak,"
(Higham, N.J. The Kingdom of Northumbria. AD 350-1100. Stroud: Sutton; 1993, 81).

***King Aelle d. AD 588.


14 August 2012 at 01:33  
Blogger non mouse said...


Bede concludes his narrative:

--- Approaching the Pope of the apostolic Roman see -- for he was not yet Pope himself -- Gregory begged him to send preachers of the word to the English people in Britain to convert them to Christ, and declared his own eagerness to atttempt the task should the Pope see fit to direct it. This permission was not forthcoming, for although the Pope himself was willing, the citizens of Rome would not allow Gregory to go so far away from the city. But directly Gregory succeeded to the Papacy himself, he put in hand this long cherished project. He sent other missionaries in his place; but it was his prayers and encouragement that made their mission fruitful. And I have thought it fitting to include this traditional story in the history of our Church (II.i 102-4).---*

non mouse should perhaps mention that the mission Gregory sent to England was that of Augustine and his forty monks (AD 596/7). J.N.D. Kelly adds: "In 601 he [Gregory] sent reinforcements led by Mellitus and Paulinus (later bishops of London and York), and conferred the pallium on Augustine as archbishop of the English" (67).
*Farmer, D.H., ed. Bede: Ecclesiastical History of the English People with Bede's Letter to Egbert and Cuthbert's Letter on the Death of Bede. Rev. ed. Trans. Leo Sherley-Price. Rev. R. E. Latham. Trans. of minor works, Intro, and Notes D. H. Farmer. London: Penguin, 1990.

**Kelly, J. N. D., ed. Oxford Dictionary of Popes. Oxford: OUP; 1986, 1996.

14 August 2012 at 02:18  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Since the traditional Catholic counries of the west are reproducing 2.1 children I suppose we could assume that Catholics are ignoring the Papal stance and practising artificial
contraception or we could pretend that they all abstaining from sex or using the rhythm method in the married state in the 21st century.

14 August 2012 at 02:20  
Blogger non mouse said...

Mr. Magee @ 01:23--- ty:I'm glad you noticed about the dates!

14 August 2012 at 02:40  
Blogger John Magee said...


Correct on both your points.

14 August 2012 at 03:35  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Re: birth rates and replacement rates.

It is generally the case, right the way across the world, including in Africa, that birth rates are falling.

However, outside of Europe, populations are still rising because the birth rate is still above (and in some cases well above) replacement.

It's the difference between the inflation rate falling and deflation.

What that means in layman's terms, is that though we're still seeing population increases throughout the world, there is a long-term expectation that these population increases will eventually peter out.

Which puts a rather different perspective on TigerO's various dire Malthusian predictions with regards to population.

However - when it comes to natural resources he, and the sources he cites, are absolutely correct in identifying it as a serious problem for sustainable living standards. Desertification has popped up - and in much of the world it is a process greatly exacerbated by human activity.

It would be wrong to see this as an inevitable disaster. There are many successful projects that curb over-exploitation of natural resources (though we could hardly stand spotless in the West on that charge) and use appropriate technology to boost local economies.

In short: mutuality. Not the cheap Malthusianism of despair.

14 August 2012 at 04:10  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Hello Belfast
What makes me think you are third worlding at the moment:)

14 August 2012 at 04:17  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Magee, since irony is beyond you I will state unambiguously that many Catholics ignore Catholic teaching on contraception in marriage.

Priests seem uninterested in hammering the message adopting the ostrich pose instead.This hypocrisy is unacceptable and makes mockery of Catholicism.

Priests should be instructed to give reminders from the pulpit about Church views on contraception and pre marital cohabitation,the two most flaunted
Catholic teachings in our modern age.

If it means a significant boost to the Cultural Catholic non practising Catholic ranks the Church may have to reconsider its power by numbers, saving souls operation, by having a much smaller congregation. Perhaps in a hundred years,the Church may even remove the ruling on artificial contraception as grievous sin as there is nothing in the scriptures that supports it.

14 August 2012 at 05:21  
Blogger David B said...

Mark, I'd have thought that the right are at least as concerned about individualism as liberals - though less concerned about society.

I am not one of those who uncritically accepts the views of people just because they are atheist, like the ultra individualist Ayn Rand, and her fellow travellers like Greenspan and Ryan.

Do you recall who it was who said -

"And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families."

David B

14 August 2012 at 07:43  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr TigerO @ 22.59, this communicant has a source in a certain central Asian republic, which President Zuma visited not so long ago. One hears that his broad-minded hosts, steeped as they are in the hospitality traditions of the Steppes, were astonished both by Zuma's appetite for Russian whores and by his stamina.

14 August 2012 at 11:40  
Blogger bluedog said...

David B @ 07.43, easy-peasy, MH Thatcher.

So what's your point?

14 August 2012 at 11:42  
Blogger John Magee said...


Please scroll back. I posted I agreed with you on both points and I completely grasped your irony... and sarcasm.

If you reread my post you will see I mentioned zero populaton growth in all of Europe with an emphasis on Catholic countries. Europe has "condomed" itself into ethnic and cultural suicide since the 1960's. We are seeing the legacy of "sex, drugs, and rock n roll" era. Zero population growth is a serious survival situation for all sides to think about for moral and survival reasons.

Once again. You are correct. It's obvious we Catholics completely ignore our Church's teachings on contraception to such an extreme we are exterminating ourselves in Western Europe (as are Protestants and non believers). It's the same situation for Catholics in the USA (not Hispanic immigrants), Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Catholic's in Latin America, Africa, and the Phillipines are reproducing themselves quite well.

Orthodox Christian Russia today has a such a high abortion and low birth rate that even Putin is worried about Russia's future if the population continues to shrink. He has even talked about "incentives" for paying couples "bonuses" to have more than two children.

The Nazi's gave medals to German women from 1939 to 1945 who conceived more than four babies called "The Cross of the German Mother". The 1st Class Order was a Gold Cross Medal eligible for mothers who had eight or more babies.

Maybe Europe in 2012 needs to think about this sort of Gold Medal for families having babies rather than their present obsession with Olympic Gold Medals for runners?

NO I am NOT a Nazi sympathizer. It's just a thought for a civilization's survival.

14 August 2012 at 13:14  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

What a surprise! You have not addressed the issue (the hypocrisy of the Church)the crux of my post.When it becomes too difficult to weasel your way out out of confronting the truth it is much easier copying extensive historical tedious tracts from the
net isn't it.

14 August 2012 at 13:55  
Blogger David B said...

bluedog, it was a response to Mark's comments on secularist liberals and individuals.


14 August 2012 at 15:16  
Blogger John Magee said...


Not being the weasel as you suggested I am in your mind's eye with their short legs, long slender bodies, and long tails I don't have that mammal's ability to slither my way out of anything. I am a man and I present and defend my views here as best as I can with my limited ability to articulate them. Once again, please scroll back to my posts about this subject. I have twice admitted the enormous hypcrosy of a large % of individual Catholic's who ignore our Church's teachings on birth control. What more do you want me to say? I will NOT condemn the Roman Catholic Church for the enormous value and the teachings it places on human life. The RC Church's respect for life from conception until a natural end is one reason I became a RC.

Yes. I plead guilty to sometimes copying and pasting quotes to make my point and enlighten people like you about historical facts not taught in schools for the past thirty years because of PC censorship. So what? Others do the same and a few post whole chapters of books or lengthy articles from ancyclopedia's. That's their privilidge and I respect them. I learn many things I didn't previously realize or understand from these kind people's efforts.


14 August 2012 at 15:48  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Regular old Animal Farm down here these days :)

14 August 2012 at 15:53  
Blogger John Magee said...


I'm not a weasel. I am a mink. the Countess Cressida de Nova confused me with my vulgar distant cousins: the weazels! We minks don't associate with that crass branch of our family other than family reunions, weddings, or at funerals.

14 August 2012 at 17:47  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

John, adherers of this site will tell you that the name ‘Weasel’ has been traditionally reserved for Len. But ‘Mink’ is free. Interesting creature that, released into this country as a foreigner and not wanted then or now, causing devastation as it goes about it’s business. One is tempted to say it reminds one on the protesting ideas brought to the UK in the late middle ages, which claimed much Catholic life, and itself was not wanted. But of course, that may upset the Archbishop, whose corporeal form found much attraction there and the Inspector would not want to do that...

Ave Maria, what !

14 August 2012 at 20:42  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

So to date we have:

non mouse
Church Mouse (occasionally)

Which leaves me wondering whether I should change my name to "WalrusInBelfast" or something.

Scrub that, better not, or I'll get called out on it till Kingdom come...

14 August 2012 at 22:27  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

A veritable menagerie Belfast, what !

14 August 2012 at 22:32  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Certainly not a petting zoo...

14 August 2012 at 22:36  
Blogger non mouse said...

Beats me why everyone thinks a non mouse is a mouse.

Apparently onliners have never heard of negative particles. Or perhaps it's because His Grace used to speak of anonymice.

14 August 2012 at 23:15  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Inspector and Belfast

No one named after a cat yet, I see.

14 August 2012 at 23:37  
Blogger John Magee said...


May I ask if you have read or heard of the novels written by Robert Hugh Benson? He was the son of a late 19th century Archbishop of Canterbury. R H Benson became a RC and later a RC priest. He wrote interesting historical narratives about life for recusant families during the persecutions of RC's under Henry VIII and his daughter Elizabeth I.

15 August 2012 at 03:55  
Blogger John Magee said...


Didn't some animal rights crazies free and army of minks from their cages several years ago causing havoc on the local English countryside?

15 August 2012 at 03:58  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

non mouse:

I've always thought of you as an ironic mouse.

Maybe one of the Parliament of (non) Mice? Or perhaps, being a Chaucerian, you'd prefer a more avian epithet?

15 August 2012 at 15:12  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...


ANonnyCatInBelfast sounds catching doncha think?

Or maybe "ANongCatInBelfast" just for Cressida :D

15 August 2012 at 15:13  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Anymore of these shenanigans Belfast and ye will be dubbed
"Felix de Nong of Belfast":)
Sounds good eh?

15 August 2012 at 17:59  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

John. Was not aware of RH Benson. One does have a interest in post reformation Catholicism in the North West of England. A real stronghold of the faith, and we should take our hats off to the resilience and resourcefulness of the people who lived there at that time…

Yes, mink were released by the Animal Righters. It is a source of irony that this vermin has all but done for ‘ratty’. You might like to know that the ARs are no longer prominent as a troublemaking group because they have successfully infiltrated the Green party to such an extent that enforced vegetarianism of the entire country is now official Green policy. One of course does not doubt for one minute that the Green activists go off for naughty curry nights on occasion. There will always be meat for those that rule us or would like to, come what may...

15 August 2012 at 18:47  
Blogger James said...

Farrah's story is nice, and I'm happy for him, but I fail to understand the relevance or appropriateness of the Schwarzenegger story, which you appear to be using to take a jab at U.S. society.

It's true that our Constitution forbids the foreign-born from becoming President. (Many disagree with this, but amending the Constitution is not a simple process; only 27 amendments have ever been successfully ratified.) It seems from this post that you are implying that the United States is somehow hostile to foreigners in a way that Britain is not. This is silly. Not only are literally 99% of Americans of immigrant stock, but the foreign-born are represented in virtually every field, including politics (there have been many foreign-born governors, senators and representatives), music, the arts, and sports.

In fact, Mo Farrah himself is an immigrant to the United States. He lives and trains full-time in Oregon. It seems that even this "authentic British Muslim" has decided to plant roots on this side of the Atlantic. Interesting that you did not mention this anywhere in your post.

15 August 2012 at 19:25  
Blogger ECusick said...

I am trying to work if the comments here are racist or that they just think that humans are like bacteria that will grow in a sigmoidal curve adn the nlevel off and a carrying capcity.
Ona side note, India is going to mars so at leas the overpopulated Indian cites can be cleared when rockets of Mumbai slum dwellers are sent to seek out new worlds and civilisations. Maybe we could send these 90,000 Somalias you are concerned with on our own rocket? [Expecting pirate jokes now].

15 August 2012 at 21:00  
Blogger ECusick said...

"It would be wrong to see this as an inevitable disaster. There are many successful projects that curb over-exploitation of natural resources (though we could hardly stand spotless in the West on that charge) and use appropriate technology to boost local economies."

I think with the massive crop failure in America [30% of the worlds corn or something]. Food prices for cereals will rise and push animal food up in a way that cause meat prices to truly reflect their real value. I think it will be agood thing that a cheese burger is not cheaper than a piece of brocolli. Of course the Somallians can't hardly afford there rice and brocolli as it is.

But I am confident that as meat production becomes more expensive and less profitable as a poorer populous in the west [post-eurozone triggered depression] then demand will drop and the production of meat will decrease as it is less profitable and this will mean less corn fed to animals to mass produce meat and more supply of non-meat foods will only benefit the poor Africans in the long run [and the poor Europeans]. A the Chinese become wealthier of course they will be able to afford the meat which we can't but they hopefully arn't as prone to be greedy and obese as us westerners.
Any thoughts? Maybe more expensive Mcdonalds cheeseburgers will be a great benefit to our Nation?

15 August 2012 at 21:19  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

They used to call Rhodesia the bread basket of Africa. Before it was elevated to become Zimbabwe. Now it’s just (...another...) failed African state.

15 August 2012 at 21:44  
Blogger ECusick said...

"They used to call Rhodesia the bread basket of Africa. Before it was elevated to become Zimbabwe. Now it’s just (...another...) failed African state."

I beleive ZimbAWE hasn't been forthcoming to white farmers. Its probably part of the problem not to work with the Euopeans in stead of fighting with them. Then again it keeps Mugabe [our man in Zimbawe] in power.

15 August 2012 at 22:04  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

What has always held the black man back is that working together to achieve anything is just not part of his psyche. If he want's something, he takes it. And it’s ingrained in him. In his blood, so to speak.

No accusations of racism please. You are getting it as it is. If you haven’t quite got it, think about it first....

15 August 2012 at 22:21  
Blogger ECusick said...

"What has always held the black man back is that working together to achieve anything is just not part of his psyche."

So like the French then?

Seriously though if this isn't racism then what is? You speak as if the "black man" has a racially defined psyche? What makes the black man more selfish than the English who were quite happy to take what they liked from other countries and were proud of it too [mass starvation of Indian workers while they loaded grain onto British ships anyone?].
Are you sure your not a racist? I am not sure I get it?

15 August 2012 at 22:35  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Don’t get me started on the English. Just look at the lower ranks now, wallowing in their socialism...

You spell Zimbabwe differently. Would you be kind enough to explain the significance...

Don’t consider myself as a racist, in the sense of hateful discrimination. Just someone who appreciates the differences in the races. What upsets others is that good AND bad considered.

15 August 2012 at 22:50  
Blogger John Magee said...


Well said. I still can't understand why His Grace chose Farah's winning the Gold Medal for the UK a pretext to take a bitchy swipe at the USA for, of all reasons, immigration and the "American dream". I am happy for Farah and for the British people for all the Gold Medals their Olympic teams won at the 2012 Olympic Games in London. There was no need to make it a political issue over Farah or a lecture to us about immigration which only began in any large number back in 1948 when the first blacks arrived in the UK from Jamaica to find jobs. Of course the East End of London had Eastern European Jews and others before the 1940's but they were not spread all over the UK in any substantial numbers. For the record. At least 50 million Americans have German surnames, As many as 80 million people in the USA can trace their roots to England. Perhaps as many 25 million Americans have Irish names in the USA and 12 million with Scottish last names. There are more people of Polish ancestry in Chicago than Poles in Warsaw, more Irish names in Boston than the in Dublin phone book. 30 MILLION illegal Hispanic migrants live in the USA from Mexico and Central America. The vast midwest and west is populated by the desendants of 19th century immigrants from Scandinavia and Britain. They all came for a change to start a new life, escape Eurpe's wars and rigid class systems.With the exception of the tens of millions of illegals in the USA today, immigrants to the USA prior to the 1930's didn't have the welfare state to take care of them. They made a new life on their own through hard work, family support, and the support of their Protestant and Catholic churches. For the Jewish immigrants their synagogues were a refuge where they could meet and celebrate their faith in a familiar atmosphere. Most hard working self reliant cowboys are of English and Scottish heritage. The whole American south is mainly English with some Irish names. There are 30 million Americans with African DN and the President of the USA has a father from Africa and an American white mother. Almost half the world's Jewish population lives in the USA. After 300 years German is still the daily language of the Amish and Mennonites in Pennsylavania while French is spoken in the homes of the French cajuns in the state of Louisiana who were forced to immigrate there in the 1600's from Nova Scotia. In their new homeland they created out of the swamps their unique way of life which today is called the Canjun country of Louisiana. The "dream" of the USA is equal opportunity not equal outcome. You make your own dream and life there. All o these many peoples gradually assimilated into what we see as the USA today. His Grace owes them an apology. The "New Brritain" has a log way to go before we see how successful it's massive waves of 3rd worlders and Muslsims assimilate and create a New Britain. I wish their "dream" success. It will not be easy. It could fail. I hope not.

15 August 2012 at 22:59  
Blogger ECusick said...

"You spell Zimbabwe differently. Would you be kind enough to explain the significance..."

Poor education I guess?

15 August 2012 at 23:14  
Blogger non mouse said...

You make your own dream and life there. All o these many peoples gradually assimilated into what we see as the USA today. His Grace owes them an apology.

No His Grace doesn't. It all depends on what you see as "USA today." Personally, I see the biggest lie in the world.

17 August 2012 at 00:07  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...


Sorry mate, it has to be said, you do talk a lot of boll*cks on race. You constantly confuse culture with genetic determinism.

17 August 2012 at 02:31  
Blogger John Magee said...

non mouse

Enlighten me as to how the USA is "the biggest lie in the world"

The USA Republic is a 236 year old experiment in freedom and the rights of the individual. If it collapses or is somemhow destroyed the world will be a vastly different and unpleasant place than you can ever imagine I promise you.

17 August 2012 at 05:02  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

All the world’s queer, bird, except for me and thee. And even then, thee’s a bit queer...

17 August 2012 at 20:37  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...


It's a cross I gladly bear.

17 August 2012 at 23:14  

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