Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Boris' comedy does not make him a fool

Conservatives like their politicians to be of an essentially choleric disposition: they like gravity mingled with passion; thoughtfulness wrapped up in conviction. Humour must be dry and rationed, lest it be mistaken for levity or simpleness. Margaret Thatcher was master of the art, with her Monty Python 'dead parrot' sketch about LibDem logo in 1990, or 'The Lady's Not For Turning' from 1980, delivered with all the gravity of a Churchillian declaration of war.

And comedy - well, Conservatives tend to eschew the boisterous Music Hall as antithetical to the serious business of politics. And when they try to do it - as (for example) Peter Lilley's 'Little List' 1992 speech, after the fashion of Gilbert and Sullivan's 'Lord High Executioner'; or his 'Land of Chattering Classes', based on 'Land of Hope and Glory', the results can be excruciating - perhaps none more so than Virginia Bottomley's foray into 'HMS Pinafore'.

Comedy must be properly performed for it to work: that is to say, if a politician wants to do comedy, it helps to be something of a performer. Michael Heseltine was as flamboyant as a Victorian actor-manager, and his conference speeches always played to a packed house - standing room only. Perhaps his most famous moment was from 1976, when he spoke of the Labour government as being 'a rabble of political extremists orchestrated from within the British cabinet itself'. He portrayed the party as 'a one-legged army limping away from the storm they had created', mimicking their imagined marching orders: 'Left! Left! Left!'.

But Boris - well, Boris is a truly naturally-gifted comedian, right up there with the likes of Tommy Cooper. He's funny because he gets it wrong and you love him for it. But what many Conservative politicians fail to appreciate is that comedy is a great vehicle for communicating the serious stuff of policy, so we have the wise and omniscient Kenneth Clarke insisting that Boris 'is not serious enough' to be prime minister. "If he really wants to be a prime minister for serious reasons and not just getting his picture in the paper more often, he really does have to settle down and demonstrate he can seriously deliver on some complicated subjects," Mr Clarke said.

It is the classic snobbish error of conflating entertainment with levity, comedy with simpleness, or jesting with the inability to grasp complexity and nuance. Kenneth Clarke plainly knows what's best and lectures seriously on the merits of the proposal. Boris simple fizzes and dazzles.

But in a time of melancholic austerity and an era of bland administration and interminably grey politicking, Boris is wonderfully sanguine and gloriously technicolor. He can hold an audience of all political hues, inspire the downhearted, and communicate a profoundly serious message through ditties, gags and obscure Greek words. But it would be a grave disservice and fatal underestimation to dismiss him as a fool, not least because some fools are wise enough to be kings. As Isaac Asimov observed: 'That, of course, is the great secret of the successful fool – that he is no fool at all.'


Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Boris is an impenitent serial adulterer, Isaac Asimov was a fool (as in 'The fool says to himself 'there is no God')and Kenneth Clarke is the man most responsible for the waste and inefficiency of perpetual NHS reorganisation, a wheel he started turning in 1990.

Not impressed by any of them.

10 October 2012 at 10:32  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Boris is a reed in the political wind, Your Grace. Just like his old chum, iDave. I don't find that funny. I certainly do not consider it a mandate to lead the country.

10 October 2012 at 10:34  
Blogger John M Ward said...

The basic premise is correct, as I noticed myself as the 'resident comic' among those elected to my local Council for several years (though not currently).

Although I was never in the Boris class, and much of what I did was in response to what had just happened (so couldn't be prepared and scripted in advance), I can personally vouch for the value of humour in communicating a message.

As you rightly say, though, this must not be at the expense of rock-solid factual information, the right overarching attitude to the position, and being able and prepared to deal with serious matters in that way where necessary.

Indeed, it is noteworthy that this 'comedian' (whose impressions in the Council Chamber included Victor Meldrew and David Bellamy, the latter specifically reported in the local newspaper), was also one of the most feared – and hated – by the Labour opposition.

I hope that all of this goes to show that, unlike the Albert Steptoe-like comments I have so far seen to this post, the reality is markedly different from those views and much closer to your own, Your Grace.

10 October 2012 at 10:51  
Blogger Gareth said...

Having a sense of humour is essential for any Englishman to be taken seriously by other Englishmen.

YG, do you have the reference for that Isaac Asimov quote?

10 October 2012 at 11:16  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Gareth,

It is from his 'Guide to Shakespeare'.

10 October 2012 at 11:24  
Blogger bluedog said...

Since winning the London mayoral election less than six months ago, Boris has developed an extraordinary national constituency. No other political figure in Britain comes close to Boris.

There is, however, a dangerous divergence between what is good for Boris and what is good for the Conservative Party. The immediate aim of the Conservative Party must be recognised as electoral victory in its own right in 2015. Boris' own interest is a crushing electoral defeat in 2015 that destroys Dave, leaving the way open for Boris' own accession as party leader, free from any rivals.

Of course, if Dave were to resign tomorrow, the interests of the Party and Boris would immediately align.

But expecting Dave to put the Party ahead of himself is possibly naive.

10 October 2012 at 11:53  
Blogger Belsay Bugle said...

Dear Mr bluedog,

It's what's good for the country, not the conservative party. And I suggest the voters sense that Boris knows that. He is popular across all parties, and God knows that's what we need. He is a unifying force, and speaks over the heads of the political class direct to the people.
There is little hope in the current political set up for anyone to be elected outside the party machines and anyone who speaks the truth gets destroyed by the media. A fool gets away with telling truths that would destroy an homme serieux.

Humour is the clever man's way of getting his message across in a highly hostile world, without being destroyed in the attempt. Boris knows that because he is clever. Many of his detractors haven't quite cottoned on yet, and long may that state of affairs endure until he can deliver a Tory victory free of the statists that control every political party, and save the country from its gravest danger for centuries.

In a remarkably vicious and breathtakingly hypocritical piece in the Mail today Max Hastings dares to question Boris's judgment; but which of the two has been right about the euro debacle and EU membership? And where would we be now if we had listened to Hastings and co?

Such left-leaning naysayers as him and Kenneth Clark (also pro-Europe) fear Boris's popular appeal because they do not like or trust the people. And they fear he might usher in a sea-change that might just save the country from being leached off by the over-mighty and contemptuous political class they represent.

Boris is just the breath of air and light that the people are crying out for. He is the leader whom the people could follow out of their hopelessness. Of which of the other desiccated figures in British politics could one say that?

10 October 2012 at 12:40  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

Ooohhh, spit on me, Boris!

You people are actually serious about this mutt, aren't you? God, I love the English (and he wouldn't get a toe north of Hadrian's Wall. Roll on Jock independence)

10 October 2012 at 13:28  
Blogger J Bonington Jagworth said...

I like Boris, too, but I don't think Mrs T had a humorous bone in her body. Her 'jokes' were always toe-curling, not least because you knew she didn't really understand them. When did she ever watch Monty Python?

10 October 2012 at 14:24  
Blogger John Thomas said...

You may be right, Gareth ("humour is essential for any Englishman to be taken seriously by other Englishmen"), but multiculturalism has ensured that many of the electorate are not Englishmen, or Englishwomen. I can think of one demographic group which I would never associate with humour in any way - least of all rule/ government; Boris has to win votes from all, to succeed.

10 October 2012 at 14:46  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

I too like the Boris TV personna and humouristic approach to local politics but that's where my appreciation ends. Boris is not what the Conservative party or the Country needs as leader or PM.
The dumbed-down media infatuation with the Blonde One (and no I don't think MHT was a commedienne by any stretch) is just that - they love his antics rather than his policies whatever they are and his appalling lack of gravitas. Maybe he could make it some day if he dropped the Frank Spencer routines and learned how to represent the affairs of our country on the global stage, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

These are serious times that require serious actions and the only one out of all of the current limp-wristed cast that comes anywhere close is Nigel Farrage.

10 October 2012 at 16:29  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wise and omniscient Kenneth Clarke now that was funny ;-D

10 October 2012 at 17:15  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Your Grace. Our man’s performance so impressed the Inspector that he has altered his opinion of him from near buffoon to unknown quantity. A significant improvement. One remembers his entertaining the nation on Have I got news for you, itself a clever move as it undoubtedly secured the mayoral office for him.

As memory of his humorous TV appearances fade, he is starting to come across as a serious challenger. And people will always like him, while nobody likes Cameron, and never will. Add to that Boris did not do the ssm video for the pinkies, which explains this man’s gushing praise of him…

Of course, if he had been around 10 years ago or more, he would have stood no chance. Just goes to show what a right shower the main parties now call leader, and have been doing so for a long time. Not an ounce of trustworthiness about any of them.

Will the Conservatives be any safer in his hands than Cameron – well, they can’t do any worse. And will people vote Conservative to get him, the answer is not in doubt. The cult of the political personality is well and truly here…

10 October 2012 at 17:38  
Blogger John Henson said...

I have had the pleasure of meeting BJ when I was seated next to him at a fund-raising dinner some years ago.

I would describe him as a highly intelligent man and skilful politician who plays the buffoon to wrong-foot his opponents. Underestimate him (as many do) at your peril.

10 October 2012 at 19:27  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He is not a fool, just a tool, like the rest

10 October 2012 at 20:02  
Blogger Berserker said...

Don't forget that it was the clown who brought the asp to Cleopatra thus ensuring her demise. And in another play was it not the clown who delivered pigeons and was promptly killed for this. If Boris became PM would he not suffer the same fate as Sir John Falstaff?

Would the electorate not tire of Boris (Falstaff) pretty quickly and did not Falstaff not beg Harry (the electorate) not to break his friendship with him and would they not say as King Henry did when coldly dismissing the poor man: I do; I will.

It would not end well.

10 October 2012 at 21:29  
Blogger Martin Sewell said...

I recall Norman St John Stevas saying " They would rather you were an adulterer than a wit... There, I've done it again."

10 October 2012 at 21:34  
Blogger Martin Sewell said...

I recall Norman St John Stevas saying " They would rather you were an adulterer than a wit... There, I've done it again."

10 October 2012 at 21:36  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Boris would be advised to hire Dreadnaught as his script writer rather that the one he does.
Much funnier!See previous parody called the Zoo (months ago)

11 October 2012 at 03:36  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

"They say Rahere is more of a priest than a fool, and more of a wizard than either.”

R K - "Rewards & Fairies / The Tree of Justice"

No, Boris has a sahrp mind, a very sharp mind.

As for some of your other idiot commentators, esp Rambling J Appleseed. ...
Actually, there is NO EVIDENCE FOR ANY BigSkyFairy, anywhere betweem massless photons, almost massless netrinoes up to supergalaxy clusters billions of parsecs & years away.
If there is such a BSF, please produce some evidence (quotes form a book of Bronze-Age goatherders' myths is not evidence) or SHUT UP.

As for "serial adulterer", well ... Lord Palmerston? John Major? Stop being so hypocritically stupid (again)

Boris is a social Liberal - he knows that narrow christian. muslim & other religious special pleading for interfering in peole's private sex lives is counter-productive.
A sort of anti-Widdecombe (euw) if you see what I mean.

11 October 2012 at 08:32  
Blogger Adrian said...

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11 October 2012 at 09:12  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"If there is such a BSF, please produce some evidence (quotes form a book of Bronze-Age goatherders' myths is not evidence) or SHUT UP."

It appears every argument you use against God and His existence is always 'begging the question'!

One very piece of evidence that you use in your highly dubious probabilistic argument - that atoms and molecules are not caused by design - is therefore equivalent to the conclusion that you draw i.e, that the universe is probably not caused by design. The atoms and molecules are the very objects that the universe is made up of and whose origins are at issue by many hypotheses. Therefore, they cannot be used as evidence against the 'God exists' conclusion any more than they can be used to support your 'Primeval Soup theory'.
Do show me the simple organism that you Darwinists and David Hume stated that defeated the teleological argument assumed by Palley but which is now a non argument by the knowledge of DNA within the most basic of cells.
Everything you state goes against the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics, of progressing from a finite order to inevitable entropy/chaos/disorder,..heat death, not the other way around, yet you carry on regardless.

Darwinism is defeated but you must have your, err, how shall we say, 'Opium' you accuse Theists are needing.

Which evolved first, DNA or Protein.

Now be off with you, me strange fellow and look lively about it.



There is no evidence for more than 4 dimensions (3 spatial + Time) using your brilliant empirical model yet Quantum Physics carries on regardless, discovering more about the universe we live in, you silly old codger.


Shucks, I missed what the blog administrator had to remove..Speed up Blofeld, you old dodderer!!

11 October 2012 at 09:39  
Blogger IanCad said...

Dear Lord Come Soon!!

That Boris is to be even considered as a potential leader of the CP is testimony to how far it has sunk.

Vain, frivolous, almost infantile, and lightweight to the point of contempt, we have to do better.

Boris (Froth) Johnson ain't the man. Indeed are there any men left in the Tory Party, or, for that matter, anywhere in the country?

Health & Safety has emasculated this land. It has turned us into a race of pansies.

11 October 2012 at 10:29  
Blogger John Holme said...

Boris attended the Festival of Life meeting in Excel Last April (just before the Londoners went to the poles to decide if they were going to re-elect him naturally), I can't remember hearing a less convincing politician speak for years. Facing 45,000+ mainly African Christian believers whose ability to see through the bluster and 'fained fob'masquerade he looked and sounded like a very lost soul; an excellent reminder for the Church to pray for those in authority that we might live peaceful and quiet lives in all honesty and Godliness.

11 October 2012 at 10:54  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

The photons came first - within a very short space of the "big bang".

Much later came proteins - they require Carbon & other elements, which means "normal" stellar progress as usually shown in the H-R diagram.
DNA came after that, since it needs proteins to exist.

And no, it is not "Begging the question" since you are making the claim - you had better produce some evidence - of which there is presently none.
In fact it is very noticeable, that the more we know of the "universe" the less BSF becomes visible.

I note you use a very revealing word... "Darwinism".
Physics is nebr called "Nwetonianism" is it?
And no, you are either deluded or lying if you believe, with no evidence, that the evolution of pecies through natural selection, as modified in the light of DNA is defeated.
No it isn't.
"Nothing (at all) in (any or all) of Biology makes any sense, except in the light of evolution".

John Holmes
Your post ois quite sickening, showing the brainwash applied by believers
( I see it at leat 6 days out of 7 here, with a particularly vile christian sect having set up shop around the corner )

11 October 2012 at 19:03  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Gregory.Much later came proteins

And they just happened did they ? For no particular reason, they left the law of ‘cause and effect behind....

Most interesting....

11 October 2012 at 19:08  
Blogger John Henson said...

Sounds like Tingey's been reading his Ladybird Book of Evolution again; no doubt revising for his GCSE General Science test next week.

I'd take him a bit more seriously if he could demonstrate that he'd mastered the art of using a computer keyboard. There's a built-in spell checker on this blog for heaven's sake!

11 October 2012 at 19:57  
Blogger IanCad said...

John Henson,

"There's a built-in spell checker on this blog for heaven's sake!"

I need it bad! How does it work?
Where is it?

Who lit the match?

11 October 2012 at 20:02  
Blogger John Henson said...

Physics is nebr [sic] called "Nwetonianism" [sic] is it?

I rest my case, m'lud.

11 October 2012 at 20:21  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...


"( I see it at leat 6 days out of 7 here, with a particularly vile christian sect having set up shop around the corner )"

Oh do tell.

11 October 2012 at 20:42  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Any bright fellowj would do whatk the Inspector does. Knock the post up on email fiirst then cut and pastee on this sitem...

11 October 2012 at 20:50  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

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11 October 2012 at 23:45  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Boris - a fool and an idiot. There is no way I would let him be in charge of the nuclear button so to speak (he'd probably nuke Liverpool by mistake). Grant Shapps seems to be more a steady hand

11 October 2012 at 23:45  
Blogger Naomi King said...

David Burrowes and John Glen are both fine MP's who have real servant hearts, Holy Bible believing Christian who are not afraid of the consequences of speaking out for the Word of God, they are men to watch for tomorrow. That is if there is any Conservative Party left by that time of course.

12 October 2012 at 14:02  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

First - aplogies for spell-non-check...

Naomi King
You mean, not to be trusted or elected under any circumstances, surely.
With belief like that they are sure to be shits.
They all are - look at St Dominic, or Luther, or Calvin.
All murdering bastards.....

Generally, as for evolution, sarcasm will get you no-where - your various obvious ignorances re evolution make it not worth the while, right now.

Anon in Belfast raised a point.
They are called "Potters House" founded by someone called Wayman Mitchell (currently - I think) resident in Arizona ...
They claim the bible is "inerrant"
Oh dear.
They are hated by the local residents, christian, muslim, hindu, agnostic & atheist - they are so selfish & self-centred - because, of course THEY have access to the one holy revealed truth, & the rest of us don't ...
Sound familiar?

12 October 2012 at 16:12  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Gregory. One is rather disappointed you did not address the Inspector’s comment at 19:08

12 October 2012 at 19:19  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...


"Sound familiar?"

Can't say they do. Had to Google them. I do know someone who lives nearby though, so I shall make enquiries.

"They are hated by the local residents, christian, muslim, hindu, agnostic & atheist - they are so selfish & self-centred - because, of course THEY have access to the one holy revealed truth, & the rest of us don't ..."

Good gracious old chap - sounds like you're part of a powerful coalition there. Something to celebrate!

12 October 2012 at 21:01  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

Sorry - mutual misinterpretation.
By "sound familiar?" I meant the convinced-against-all-the-evidence religious mindset, with shining eyes.
As found, really scarily in the "occupy" idiots earlier this year.
"communists" & "christians" & "muslims" all telling lies (though they thought it was true!), all contra to all & any observed evidence, ready to destroy the world in order to save it.
Really creepy.

OiG @ 19.19
Do do some reading?
Cause & effect have NOT been suspended.

After the early form of the present universe emerged from the so-called "radiation era", almost the only chemical element around was Hydrogen, with tiny quantities of Helium.
The processes by which all the other chemical elements are formed in stars & supernovae (below Iron & above Iron, respectively) are well known, modelled & understood.
Based on work done by Hoyle's team in the late 1940's - all being (!) undergarduate text-book stuff these days.
Once those elements, especially CHON (Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen) had been formed in any sensible quantities, then it is inevitable that chemical combinations will occur, since there is a consistent energy input to reactions coming from the stars themseleves.
"Organic" molecules have been routinely detected in interstellar space for a long time now.
The search was initiated after the famous Miller-Urey experiment, showed that "organic" molecues did not require pre-existing life to form them.
Again, all of this is routine, undergraudate stuff these days.

13 October 2012 at 09:54  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

" convinced-against-all-the-evidence religious mindset"

Ah. You mean evidence like calling Dominic a murderer when there is no evidence?

To be honest, I've never realised from your posts that you were advocating an evidence-based approach - I just thought you hated religion.

13 October 2012 at 13:34  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Stone me Greg, just boning up on proteins courtesy Wiki. So much there !

And in the last few years, man has created new ones, albeit small. Man playing at God again if you will (...or perhaps won’t, then...)

But the shear complexity of it all. Rather sends a fellow further down the ‘intelligent design’ road, which is somewhat unfortunate as that is going to really annoy you...

13 October 2012 at 15:42  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

Anon i Belfast
Dominic - murderer - try looking up "Albigensian crusade" or "Cathars".
And actually, I despise religion, rather than hate it.....

"unintelligent design".
Try looking up on the path of the sperm-canal in humans or the long vagus nerve in giraffes - perfectly explainable as faulty but working under evolution, but utterly useless if ID is invoked
LOTS of other examples......

13 October 2012 at 22:55  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

Anon i Belfast
Dominic - murderer - try looking up "Albigensian crusade" or "Cathars".
And actually, I despise religion, rather than hate it.....

"unintelligent design".
Try looking up on the path of the sperm-canal in humans or the long vagus nerve in giraffes - perfectly explainable as faulty but working under evolution, but utterly useless if ID is invoked
LOTS of other examples......

13 October 2012 at 22:55  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Greg. It’s all too clear that your despising of religion drives you. Not a satisfactory position, being influenced so entirely by a negative, what !

You need to put it in a bin bag and throw it out, then start again. This believer gives you this. Think of God as little ‘i’. It cannot possibly exist but great things result from it in formulaic use.

For those observers of this post not of a mathematical understanding. Little ‘i’ is the square root of minus one. Negative numbers cannot have a square root. It is impossible, it just cannot be.

13 October 2012 at 23:34  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Hmmm. The sperm canal in humans. That’s the vagina if memory serves correctly. {AHEM, one is sure this is familiar territory, it’s just a question of remembering of where and when...}

One remembers the early attempts of fertilising a human egg outside of that area. The sperm chosen in the laboratory was NOT the winner in race. Boys who were born from this treatment had an unfortunate feature in some cases. They were unable to piss straight (...Archbishop, before you press the delete button, this is gospel-like truth...). An operation was needed on the child to correct the aim. Anyway, please do explain how this marvellous process is faulty...

13 October 2012 at 23:44  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

All religions are balckmail, based on "truths" taht are not.
ALL the "holy books" contian factually untrue statements, which have NOT been revised in the light of subsequent knowledge.
This applies to the religion of communism, as well....
Why bother with such nonsense?
Also, remember, back to the start ...
"No BSF is detectable" - prove me wrong or shut up.

14 October 2012 at 14:53  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Greg, you skilfully and subtly may I say, managed to evade a direct question. How did you manage that ? Have you considered politics ?

14 October 2012 at 15:11  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

Sperm canal in MALE humans .....
And I had not read your latest comment ( which, temporarily I'm going to ignore)
I'm replying to your 23.34 post.
Reminder I was brought up - went to Sunday school in an Evangleical ethos.
I know all the lies & bullshit & have seen through them.
And ALL the other religions are the same.......
"Step off the path"

Think of all the fair-minded people who wrongly embraced communism in the 1930's as "the only way" of opposing fascism...
Equally wrong.
Or the RCC is horribly evil, so we will follow Luther (kill all the jews, reject reason) or Calvin (kill & opppress everyone, just using different pretexts to the RCC) ... rather than stepping off the path entirely, & noting that they are all lying murderers.
Is it THAT difficult a concept to grasp?

If a BSF is real in THIS universe ( & must be to have any effect ) then why is no BSF detectable, at all?
Answers on a postcard, please!

14 October 2012 at 20:15  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Ah, you mean the penis. What an absolutely brilliant piece of engineering design (...when it’s working to it’s full capacity, {AHEM}...). It does prove that God is not a committee. Sperm and waste disposal using the same tube would never have got past the health and safety man, what !

Well, there you have BSF influence, in his evolution program. They say God is of no sex, but you must admit he’s mans best friend.

One is well aware of your stance on religion. What you hate is not the idea of God, but what man has done with the concept of belief. Can’t argue with you there. We have been an absolute shower. Still are in many parts of the world. One also remembers you were badly beaten by thugs, and the NHS saved your life. Could this explain your rage against humanity. Understandable if it is.

Meanwhile, consider coming in with us, us peace loving Christians. It’s cold where you stand, can feel that from here...

14 October 2012 at 21:18  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

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15 October 2012 at 08:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

G Tingey.

Do not confuse'organised religion with Jesus Christ.After all look what 'organised religion' did to Jesus Christ(It crucified Him)

15 October 2012 at 08:24  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

OK let's ty again
I DID NOT MEAN THE PENIS, and the previous poster (OiG) is either appallingly ingorant, or is deliberately being apparently stupid.
I was referring to the delivery system for the semen (not just the sperm) from the testicles to the penis.
It is amazingly badly "designed" but exactly the sort of bodge-up (up, ocer, round & down) you would and do get with evolution.
I suggest the readers go away & examine this amazing example of very unintelligent design.

And I don't "hate" the idea of BSF either, I ridicule it, because (how many times do I have to say this?) THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, and what is more, is not detectable at all, and is hence an irrlevancy.

BEfore one can discuss the finer points of religion, one firdt has to establish that what you are talking about is real & describable.
And it isn't.
Incidentally the same applies to ALL religions.
Mahmud wasn't a "prophet" becuse - there isn't a BSF. Game over, UNLESS the xistence of a BSF can be demonstrated.

Dear me, it shouldn't be difficult ot get the concept across?

You have missed the point as well.
First, you have to establish that there is a BSF.
Please demonstrate?
I'm still waiting.

15 October 2012 at 15:08  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

The Vas deferens route. What the hell is wrong with it. It moves a comparatively small amount of matter maybe two, three times a day, literally, if you’re lucky. And yes, it is a product of evolution, and not knocked up on a blue print. It’s the Evolutionary program, and it is a program as anything you would have found written in COBAL. Don’t tell me that that ‘just happens’ for no apparent reason. There is thought in that process. Supernatural thought. If you are looking for just one manifestation of a supreme being, bite on that one...

15 October 2012 at 18:59  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

EVIDENCE for your ridiculous statement, please?
No "designer" would ever have come up with such a bodge.
Any nore than the Giraffes vagus nerve ......
Etc ad nauseam.

16 October 2012 at 08:08  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Bodge ? The nearest you are going to get to evidence of the almighty is the remarkable principle of evolution. Ironic that the subject that turned so many away from God is in reality his calling card, don’t you think ? Enough for this man as conclusive proof that BSF is there. Now, whether he cares enough about our wretched souls to save at least some of them is the next question…

16 October 2012 at 16:37  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len said ...#

"Do not confuse'organised religion with Jesus Christ.After all look what 'organised religion' did to Jesus Christ(It crucified Him)"

Your scriptural ignorance leave me breathless at times!


17 October 2012 at 00:47  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

You really, really don't understand, do you?
Evolutioniary variation is random & blind.
"Selection" is made by circumstances.
No mystical input whatsoever.
That, in fact is the whole point.

Oddly enough, the evangelical ultras, who deny evolution are nearer to understanding why they won't go near it, because it utterly removes any need or position for a BSF to interfere.

17 October 2012 at 08:18  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Gregory.Evolutioniary (sic) variation is random & blind. "Selection" is made by circumstances.

Evolutionary variation follows a pre determined pattern. To wit, improvement by increment. If the increment doesn’t work or is less effective than the status quo, it will eventually be bred out, if it survives at all to reproduce. Nothing random or blind about it. So, we’ll recap, it’s a pre determined module is evolution. It has to be. If you think it is apparently self driven, then hard bloody luck, groundless observation. Nothing just happens in this universe. There is always a reason behind it…SO GET THAT RIGHT !

By the by, today’s topic by the Archbishop involves ‘Keyboard Aspergers’. You might be interested.

Did the Inspector type KEYBOARD Aspergers ? Ah, he meant of course just ‘Aspergers’ {AHEM}

17 October 2012 at 18:48  
Blogger JohnPD said...

His Grace quotes Issac Asimov!
I'm re-reading one of his novels now.
"The Caves of Steel"
Published 1954, post Korean War, I believe it is an allegory to be read on several levels.
The man had imagination years ahead of his time.
This novel draws a picture of the way in which our modern society is tending. It's not pretty.

20 October 2012 at 12:13  
Blogger JohnPD said...

I've enjoyed reading these comments.
As far as the BSF goes, I've got to say there probably is one, or perhaps a committee. :)
I think of us looking at our Universe as I think of a pygmy stumbling across a model T ford in a jungle clearing. God must have put it there surely? He thinks.
No, Henry Ford & his Merry Men designed & built it.
Or I think of us as penicillin: an accidental mold growing in the corner of God's lab, which he is observing & testing to see if we have any merit.
I agree that evolution is an indication that God works on a long timescale, but is not conclusive proof of either the existence of God, or indeed of the nature of God.
I find no religion in particular wholly convincing, & only those devoted to the destruction of others abhorrent.
I am not anti-religion. As far as I'm concerned everyone is entitled to their God straight or with ice.
(subject to the destruction proviso above.)
As far as morals go, I'm of the belief that if God didn't exist, we would be obliged to invent Him (Her, Them)What other rein do we have on Nazi & Communist type behaviour?
There, that should have upset many.:)
For those in any doubt, God is several females, & they're out to lunch.

20 October 2012 at 13:30  

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