Thursday, October 18, 2012

Breaking the (Palestinian) Silence


This is a guest post by the Anglican Friends of Israel:

Israel’s Christian opponents have long contended that Palestinians, whether Christian or Muslim, speak with one voice. Certainly many Palestinian Christian leaders insist that relations between themselves and their Muslim neighbours are cordial and that all Palestinians are united in believing that their greatest problem is Israel, and their greatest enemies (Jewish) Israeli.
To listen to the favourite Palestinian Christians of, say, the Anglican, Methodist or Quaker establishments one would think that all Palestinian Christians have embraced a particularly Palestinian version of Liberation Theology, such as that developed by Naim Ateek. In this theological system, the God of the Old Testament is downgraded Marcion-style, His covenant with the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is airbrushed out and – recalling the discredited Christian theology of deicide – today’s Jewish state is re-cast as Herod or Pilate trying to crucify or murder a Jesus who has become ‘the first Palestinian’. Ateek and other members of his ‘Sabeel’ organisation command almost god-like respect as they parade around Britain’s cathedrals spouting their faulty theology.
Many of us suspected that this romantic picture of bravery and harmony in the face of brutal oppression concealed a much darker reality but it was hard to prove as Palestinians largely kept silent. To be sure, some clues couldn’t be missed – the murder of Bible Society employees in Gaza, the sack of Bible Society and YMCA property in the West Bank. In 2007 Aid to the Church in Need reported Fr Nazaih, the long-time parish priest of Ramallah, the capital of the West Bank as saying, “…Little by little the Christians leave because they cannot live with the Muslims. There are some fanatics who do not like the fact that we exist.” More recently, days after the ‘Christ at the Checkpoint’ conference where Christians congratulated themselves and the Palestinian Authority on their mutual tolerance and understanding in the face of their mutual enemy, Israel, a Bethlehem Baptist church whose leadership teaches support for Israel as a Jewish homeland was harassed by the PA.

Other Palestinians have been prepared to break the wall of silence created by fear of persecution from family and government in order to expose the corruption, greed and violence which forms the backdrop to daily life in the Territories. Khaled Abu Toameh has fearlessly exposed the tissue of lies woven around the Palestinian myth of helpless victimhood. Corrupt Palestinian politics, the real attitude of Palestinian leaders towards a 2-state solution, the real reasons for the haemorrhage of Christians from the Territories – nothing escapes his scrutiny.
Further this gradual exposure of the darker side of the Palestinian story is one of the most courageous women I have ever met, who spoke this week about her life as a Christian Palestinian in the West Bank. Christy's life and family members have been threatened because she has dared to break the conspiracy of silence that permits too many Christians to retain a rose-coloured vision of life on the West Bank.

Christy (name changed for obvious security reasons) grew up in the Bethlehem region and describes living her early years in peaceful prosperity alongside Jews, Christians and Muslims.  Like many Christians in the area, her family ran a business which served not only Christian but also
Jewish pilgrims. The 2nd Intifada of 2000 destroyed all the peace and harmony she remembered.  Her neighbourhood, became ‘Like a tomb’ rather than the peaceful vibrant place she had known.
A nearby Jewish Holy Site became a target for Palestinian stone-throwers, so the Israelis closed her road and built a base outside her home to protect Jewish worshippers. The family business closed. Most nights, snipers disturbed the peace. Being in the centre of the trouble, she and her family quickly learned to distinguish between the two sides’ weapons, and Christy insisted that it was overwhelmingly Palestinians who began the nightly shootings. In nearby Beit Jala PLO snipers would choose Christian homes as bases to fire into the windows of Jewish Gilo’s apartments just across the ravine; naturally Yasser Arafat made full political capital when Israelis fired back at the snipers, hitting Christians and their properties as he had planned.
Christy had no reason to love Israelis either. The younger of two sisters who were her great friends, a beautiful 10 year old girl, was killed by Israeli soldiers; 30 bullet wounds were found on her body. On more than one occasion Christy was woken by Israeli soldiers pointing guns at her when she did not wake up soon enough to be evacuated from her front line house. The security wall surrounded her house on three sides, making it difficult to get out to buy food.
Having no idea of why all this was happening, Christy became angry and resentful. She had little idea of the history behind the troubles between Israel and the Palestinians. Brought up in a culture of hatred of Israel and her Jewish inhabitants, fed by anti-semitic ideas promulgated in so many Palestinian churches, she could not begin to place her experience within any wider context.
Tellingly, Christy described how she was taught at school that Hitler killed ‘some Jews’ and that Israel used this as an excuse to persecute Palestinians. Shocked, I realised that this lie (albeit usually veiled in more sophisticated terms) is routinely peddled by some UK Christians from pulpits, in books and on internet blogsites.
Christy’s life and outlook changed radically at the end of last year when a British Christian staying in the West Bank said to her at the end of a long conversation ‘you need your wings to fly’. Unlike so many Christians who go to the West Bank only to affirm hatred of Israel amongst Palestinians, this Christian talked about what the Bible - both Jewish and Christian - said about Israel and her covenant-keeping God. Christy began to do her own research into the concept of covenant and has moved from a position of resentment towards Israel and her Jewish citizens to awe at the restoration of Israel and what she views as its miraculous survival through four wars of annihilation waged against her by Arab neighbours.
Finally, Christy obtained a permit to go to Israel for six months, and one of the first things she did was to make a very painful visit to Yad Vashem, the memorial to the six million Jews who perished in the Holocaust. She described her tears at the horrors portrayed by the exhibition, commenting: ‘And we think we (Palestinians) have been persecuted’  - a point that those who dare to compare the situation of Palestinians with Jews during the Nazi Holocaust would do well to reflect upon. It was at this point that Christy began to experience something that Jesus describes as central for true believers – forgiveness for her ‘enemies’, the Israeli people. Now she felt she could begin to understand why they reacted as they did.
Furthermore, she understood why Israelis appeared uninterested in the particular plight of Palestinian Christians, even though most do not want to be involved in armed struggle against Israel. The Church in Europe had been all but silent during the Holocaust. Why, she reasoned, would Israelis care about the peculiar plight of Palestinian Christians now?
When Christy began to share her new found insights with those around her, she encountered a clamour of intimidation and threats aimed at silencing her. The death threats came even from her own family. Nevertheless, having had her eyes opened in one area, it wasn’t long before she was seeing other problems about which Palestinians preferred to keep silent or blame on Israel. Christy reported that within her society it is hard to apportion responsibility for economic and social woes to fellow Palestinians; doing so would impugn the personal honour which takes precedence above every other value within Arab society. Blaming Israel for Palestinian misery is so much easier and safer. Meanwhile misery continued as its root cause is not addressed.
After Palestinian officials confiscated her permit to enter Israel (and one of her relatives put a gun to her head), Christy applied for and obtained a visa to come to UK. She now lives with a Christian family who treat her as their own daughter. However, she still has to protect her identity and location for security reasons. For in the UK Christy has found a country that uncritically accepts the false Palestinian narrative of helpless innocence and victimhood in the face of a colonialist oppressor – and a country in which the radical Islam which she recognises as the real cause of so much Palestinian Christian suffering, has been allowed to embed itself.
Nevertheless, Christy and her friends are determined that they will be heard. They have decided that speaking out truths about the Middle East conflict is worth the danger and the abuse that they now take as par for the course – along with the admiration and support of many who have waited for years for the other story of the conflict to emerge.
It is a story well worth hearing, and a courage not to be missed. Christy will be speaking at Christian conferences in York and Surrey next month.  Details can be found at www.hagoshrim.org.uk.

38 Comments:

Blogger John Knox's lovechild said...

I go to mass every week and often on weekday mornings.

I have never heard Israel ( the modern state) or Palestine mentioned from the pulpit. In prayers we are asked sometimes to pray for peace in the Middle East but no one has ever made a remotely political point, unless you count praying for peace a political point.

Is it different with the Anglicans?



18 October 2012 at 10:48  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

You're not going to the right sort of church John Knox's lovechild. Try some of those metropolitan ones frequented by artistes.

18 October 2012 at 11:05  
Blogger John Knox's lovechild said...

AiB

Ah!

Is this a trendy thing then. Any suggestions?

18 October 2012 at 13:01  
Blogger Andrew said...

I once lived in Israel and always pray for her when i go to mass - there to worship a Jewish god whose son, a Jew he gives for us and whose mother, a Jewess, I ask for intercession.

18 October 2012 at 13:20  
Blogger Ivan said...

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18 October 2012 at 15:20  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

So she looked up the meaning of the word covenant and decided it meant what exactly

If there is a covenant that allows the Jews to do as they please then Our Folk are having a covenant to do as We please

Which may involve a phosporus bomb!

Or would that make us terrorists?

18 October 2012 at 17:28  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...



Damn text too large. A fellow felt he was being shouted at !

Agree with lovechild. You’ll never hear a Catholic priest mention politics in the middle east. Just what a pain in the arse the area is.

Anyway, apart from that, the Inspector can’t help feeling that resolution of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, involves, somewhere along the line, anthrax. And plenty of it, judicious amounts, what !





18 October 2012 at 18:01  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Christy seems to have found a country which confuses religious covenant with Balfour Declaration

18 October 2012 at 18:13  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Andrew, what exactly is a "Jewess? A Jew is a Jew regardless of gender.

Like others, I've never heard expressions of hatred for Israel or for the Jews at Church or Mass.

I would like a little bit more detail on:

" ... this Christian talked about what the Bible - both Jewish and Christian - said about Israel and her covenant-keeping God ... (Christy) and has moved from a position of resentment towards Israel and her Jewish citizens to awe at the restoration of Israel and what she views as its miraculous survival through four wars of annihilation waged against her by Arab neighbours."

Perhaps Anglican Friends of Israel could elaborate on this?

18 October 2012 at 19:42  
Blogger AFI said...

Why? It's clear enough.

18 October 2012 at 23:35  
Blogger AFI said...

Bred in the bone

That's not what she said at all. Such extrapolations show clearly the agenda of Israel's opponents against any who dare to challenge their narrative.

Shout down and smear.

18 October 2012 at 23:37  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Well, if it's clear that's okay then.

It's more than an advert for a spealer at a conference. It's propaganda unless the message is stated openly and honestly.

I am hoping the Anglican Friends of Israel might oblige and not a 'new' blogger.

18 October 2012 at 23:49  
Blogger AFI said...

DtD

"It's more than an advert for a spealer at a conference. It's propaganda unless the message is stated openly and honestly. "

What are you talking about? She's speaking openly and honestly and the means to obtaining an elaboration of her comment - if you seriously want one - is given in the article.

19 October 2012 at 00:14  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

No, it's not! It's alluded to but stays silent on the key issues after stereotyping critics of Israeli State policies.

" ... what the Bible - both Jewish and Christian - said about Israel and her covenant-keeping God."

So, what does she believe it says about the covenants and how they will be/have been fulfilled?

" ...Christy began to do her own research into the concept of covenant

And discovered what, exactly?

" ... awe at the restoration of Israel and what she views as its miraculous survival"

God's intervention to restore Israel? And His intention for Israel and the Jews being what?

19 October 2012 at 02:57  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"It's propaganda unless the message is stated openly and honestly." Hmmm..Like your boundless statements on the joys and personal revelation of being RC perhaps?.
"God's intervention to restore Israel? And His intention for Israel and the Jews being what?" Buy a ticket, attend and use that unbiased questioning intellect of yours to pose the question in person. Hear York's lovely this time of year.
"I am hoping the Anglican Friends of Israel might oblige and not a 'new' blogger." I laughed soo much a little bit of wee wee escaped!!!*Silent chuckle, for incontinence purposes*

Blofeld

19 October 2012 at 09:06  
Blogger Preacher said...

Thank you for report Dr Cranmer.
It's unbelievable that so many Western Church goers are ignorant of Scripture & swallow the replacement theology propaganda that is dished out liberally among them.
Of course the persecution of fellow Christians in Islamic Countries is not reported too often in the Media but it doesn't need to much research to discover it.
As the 'Arab spring' evolves perhaps more of the facts will be reported.
God is not finished with Mankind yet, but we must grasp the fact that it's not about being 'Anti' anything or anyone, but being 'Pro' truth.
If the Jewish people had not recorded the history & prophecies concerning the Messiah & they had been swallowed by the surrounding kingdoms of Egypt, Syria, Babylon etc & lost their faith.
If successive persecutors had wiped them out as planned.
If the promised Messiah had not come & opened the door of salvation to the whole human race, their would be NO Christian Church.
As Christians, we owe the Jews a debt of gratitude.
For sure they are a mixed bag of good & bad just like the rest of us but God hasn't finished with them, or us just yet.

19 October 2012 at 11:06  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

AFI

Cranmers post clearly reads that she did her own research into the concept of covenant

I am question what the concept of covenant has to do with the State of Israel which is not anti Israel but pro British biased

I think you will find religious Jews like the Honourable Edwin Samuel Montagu who said “If a Jewish Englishman sets his eyes on the Mount of Olives and longs for the day when he will shake British soil from his shoes and go back to agricultural pursuits in Palestine ... he seemed to me to have acknowledged aims inconsistent with British Citizenship”

How is that for a smear campaign

19 October 2012 at 16:25  
Blogger AFI said...

Bred in the bone

"So she looked up the meaning of the word covenant and decided it meant what exactly

If there is a covenant that allows the Jews to do as they please then Our Folk are having a covenant to do as We please"

If you want to know the exact path down which her research led her then go hear her.

But don't falsely extrapolate from what she said, and then use your incorrect assumptions to smear both the speaker and Jews generally, as you did in your previous post.

19 October 2012 at 18:33  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

AFI "don't falsely extrapolate from what she said, and then use your incorrect assumptions to smear both the speaker and Jews generally, as you did in your previous post"

19 October 2012 18:33

Why not as you keep doing it to me


19 October 2012 at 22:30  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Allow me to clarify my position as my previous post clearly shows I do not smear Jews in general but agree with a Jew who said Zionists should not be British Citizens

The speaker is welcome to speak her mind as are you in AFI in clarifying why you believe I have smeared the speaker

19 October 2012 at 23:00  
Blogger len said...

Amen to that Preacher (19 October 2012 11:06)

Salvation is from the Jews;
'You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews'(John 4:22)

19 October 2012 at 23:28  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Question is len do you use the word Jew in a religious or a racial sence

20 October 2012 at 00:16  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

If it is believed salvation is in race then Christians and Jews alike ought to confirm this belief

20 October 2012 at 00:31  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Blofeld

Before travelling to York I believe I am entitled to know what particular version of Christian Zionism I would be 'entertained' by.

Is it dispensationalism (there's so many; which one?) with a touch of dual-covenant theology - or not?

Don't you think this reasonable? I mean it is an advert!

20 October 2012 at 02:14  
Blogger len said...

Salvation is in and through Jesus Christ....but this came by God through the Jews.

The original intention of God was to bless the World through the Jews.The Jews proved unfaithful and salvation was opened to the Gentiles.

Many within religion take this that God has 'finished' with the Jews but scripture says that He has not.(It is the basic teaching of Scripture that the when the majority falls from the faith and cannot/will not be reformed, God takes the remnant and starts over again) Zechariah 12:10
“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over ...



20 October 2012 at 08:10  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Yes I always understood the way to the Father was through Christ but do you believe there to be a racial element to this remnant

Where did I go wrong?

Is there a hidden master race theolgy I am missing, which would indicate that I bred should have bred my gentile impurities out of my offspring, in order they can be party to this remnant

Or can the remnant be of gentile extraction, racial theology is such a messy area in these sensitive times, especially if God implied it

20 October 2012 at 08:22  
Blogger len said...

In Christ Jesus we are one new man.


There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus(Galatians 3:28)

20 October 2012 at 18:03  
Blogger Ivan said...


...for salvation is from the Jews'(John 4:22)

True, but it is already fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Why bother with stuff that is already superseded? Whatever was valuable in the Jewish religion for those who are not Jews was already incorporated into the fledgling Christian communities from the very beginning as can be read from the Acts of the Apostles. Since Christianity was meant for all men, it had to show that it had fulfilled the deepest yearnings of all the nations in Jesus Christ, as St Paul taught the pious Greeks by alluding to the "Unknown God". Otherwise, what does it matter to me as an Indian what some rabble-rousers and holy-rollers did in some corner of Palestine in the first century.

21 October 2012 at 01:52  
Blogger len said...

Ivan' Why bother with stuff that is already superseded?' .(End of quote)

It is vitally important for God to bring about His purposes for the Jewish people. Why is it important for Him?

The Honour of His Holy Name.To keep His Word.To fulfil His Word.


21 October 2012 at 09:23  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Well I've looked at the Anglican Friends of Israel site and have found it a breath of fresh air, one of the many reasons why I still have a soft spot for the C of E.

21 October 2012 at 11:58  
Blogger Ivan said...


God can handle His honour. Why should mere mortals bother.

21 October 2012 at 13:24  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

As Jews and Gentiles have been made one in Christ I shall be applying for my Israeli Citizenship

21 October 2012 at 20:59  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Hannah

Visit 'Catholics for Israel' too.

www.catholicsforisrael.com

21 October 2012 at 21:37  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Dodo,

I did look that up -really interesting site as well. I guess now that my cousin is dating a Catholic, I'll have to have a soft spot for Catholicism as well.

21 October 2012 at 22:55  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Hannah

Not Louise?

22 October 2012 at 00:40  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Dear Bird

Ta for the link but yet again Ernst sees philosophical treatises from what RCC believes rather than from a solid biblical exegesis?!

"Is it dispensationalism (there's so many; which one?) with a touch of dual-covenant theology - or not? "

Dual-Coventant theology...What on earth are you talking about. I take it that Ernst' explanation about the Mosaic covenant being superseded by the New went straight over your beak? The Old was not superseded because it was imperfect but because WE cannot keep it..It is like a diagnostic tool used to tell you whats wrong with your car but cannot carry out the necessary work to correct the problems. We need a correcting mechanism called the Holy Spirit that accomplishes this, as the Great Mechanic or like having dust on the car which tells us it is in dire need of a clean but the dust cannot clean itself off, it just shows you the state of the cars appearance!! We are the problem NOT the Old Covenant hence why Jesus is a better etc etc, Do read Book of Hebrews, there's a clever bird!!! ;-P

A Dispensationalist eh. Well Jesus was a dispensationalist by His word
!
Jesus said;
Luke 4:18-19
"The Spirit of the Lord is on Me; because of this He has anointed Me to proclaim the Gospel to the poor. He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim deliverance to the captives, and new sight to the blind, to set at liberty those having been crushed, to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."

He used the text below to declare who He was to His people and what He had come to achieve in this earthly mission as their Messiah!

Isa 61:1-2
"The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is on Me; because Jehovah has anointed Me to preach the Gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound; to preach the acceptable year of Jehovah (and) the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn-"

Can you spot what He did not say between the two and why He stopped and closed the Scriptures at that point if it is all continuous?

Matthew 23:37-39

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

alluded to in Hosea

Hosea 5:15

15 I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

This age closed but will be returned to when...verse 39. we are in whats called the Time of the Gentiles which will be closed 7 years after the Fullness of the Gentiles is brought into the Body of Christ.

Every ordinary Dispensationalist that Ernst is aware of believes that justification by grace through faith has been God’s program since the fall of man and by the supplying of a covering to Adam and Eve by the shedding of innocent blood onwards. The things alluded to of Christ are a memorial going forward and from the Millennium Kingdom looking back as a memorial TO THE FACT of Calvary.

You appear to confuse the Kingdom of God which is always referred in Scripture with 7's with the Kingdom from Heaven which is in 12's as Christ's earthly One thousand year rule from Jerusalem, where it is declared ALL shall know of the knowledge of God because He rules from King David's throne and the government (the stone that destroyed Nebuchadnezzar image in Daniel that grew to cover the whole earth) is finally upon His Shoulders as Promised and prophesied, before handing all over to the Father so that God may be All in All..It's a clue.

Blofeld

22 October 2012 at 14:06  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Ernsty

We disagree. We will never agree this side of the grave.

If I understood you I'd respond. I don't.

God Bless.

22 October 2012 at 23:30  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Dear Bird

" The Way of Dodo said...

Ernsty

We disagree. We will never agree this side of the grave.~(The reason we disagree is based on your love of the Catechism over God's direct word in scripture which Ernst loves more than anything. Simples)

If I understood you I'd respond. I don't. (Dear fella, you are the one talking of dual-covenants, there are actually over several in the Holy Bible but Ernst presumed you meant that both are applicable whereas they are not. Mosaic was only ever FOR THE JEW. The New Covenant is defined as for all whoever you are or whatever creed, belief etc you have come from as Jesus is our High priest, not a descendant of Levi and the direct lineage of Aaron..All Inclusive!)

God Bless. " God Bless you back, my boy.

Ernsty

Ps

"The things alluded to of Christ are a memorial going forward and from the Millennium Kingdom looking back as a memorial TO THE FACT of Calvary."

John 8:56

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

How could he rejoice when he is dead in the grave and long before Jesus walked the earth. BY FAITH in something seen but unseen?

Genesis 22
Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about....

But the angel of the LORD called out to him from heaven, "Abraham! Abraham!"

"Here I am," he replied.

"Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

Dear Bird

As having jewish blood in your lineage you of all people should know that the Jewish idea of prophecy is greatly different from Hellenistic..Ours is Prophecy is prediction fulfilled whereas Jewish is Prophecy is Pattern.
Here Abraham saw and understood what was going to happen to another Father's Son over 2000 years later and believed and was glad.

When God swears He never changes EVER. He is IMMUTABLE.

"And God said to Abraham, ‘As for Sar’ai your wife, you shall not call her name Sar’ai, but Sarah shall be her name. I will bless her, and moreover I will give you a son by her; I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples shall come from her.’ Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said to himself, ‘Shall a child be born to a man who is a hundred years old? Shall Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child?’ And Abraham said to God, ‘O that Ish’mael might live in thy sight!’ God said, ‘No, but Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac. I will establish my covenant WITH HIM as an everlasting covenant FOR HIS DESCENDANTS AFTER HIM. As for Ish’mael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him and make him fruitful and multiply him exceedingly; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. But I will establish my covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this season next year.’"

You see, Isaac was never at risk as God had sworn to Abraham regarding Isaac and it came to pass. The incident was prophecy is Pattern for Abraham's sake so he could rejoice and believe as we can!! The problem is with our Hellenistic worldview but the Jewish is true and correct.

Ernst

24 October 2012 at 12:40  

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