Sunday, November 25, 2012

UKIP foster carers banned: could conservative evangelicals be next?

This is a guest post by the Rev'd Julian Mann:

The news that two foster carers have had the children they lovingly cared for taken away by Rotherham Borough Council because they belong to UKIP raises a question: could conservative evangelicals be banned as foster carers because of their opposition to women bishops?

As was very clear in the exchange in the House of Commons following Tuesday's sinking of the women bishops' measure by the General Synod's House of Laity, the conviction that the pastoral leaders of local churches and of dioceses should be male is utterly despised by the politically correct establishment. UKIP's opposition to multi-culturalism was cited as the reason why the two foster carers in Rotherham were banned; why should not the opinion of conservative evangelicals about male headship in the family also fall foul of social workers?

That would be very sad indeed for children needing a loving home, because conservative evangelicals thinking about the complementarity of the sexes should in theory at least lend itself to good parenting. That does not mean that all conservative evangelicals are good parents - there is a variety of factors that make for good parenting, ranging from the moral to the relational to the psycho-emotional. But this is to argue that the conservative evangelical conviction that children need to grow up with the love of a married father and mother and that the man and the woman each bring their own distinctive God-given contribution to the nurture of children makes for excellent parenting.

The idea that fathers are the servant leaders of their wives and children also leads to a responsible, hands-on approach to family life by conservative evangelical men. In a society devastated by fatherlessness, who would complain about loving, leading fatherhood, unless they were motivated by socially Marxist dogma?

Conservative evangelical men and women should not be ashamed of their convictions in the teeth of the opprobrium now being poured on them for their biblical convictions. Male headship is clearly taught in the New Testament, and not just by the later epistles of St Paul. His first letter to the Corinthians is an early epistle, recognised by both conservative and liberal scholars to have been written in Ephesus in the early 50s AD, and that clearly teaches male headship.

God willing, more conservative evangelical married couples will become fosters carers and bring the love of the Lord Jesus Christ to vulnerable children.

 Julian Mann is vicar Parish Church of the Ascension, Oughtibridge, South Yorkshire.


Blogger Dave said...

The unfettered cultural Marxism that pervades the establishment is no more obvious and dangerous in its manifestation in the social services. In South Yorkshire the old Labour party has been corrupted to communism without much notice up to now. The social services have utterly failed the most vulnerable children in Rotherham and allowed them to be preyed upon by wicked men whose special protection, as a result of fashionable political dogma has favoured ideology over English childrens'flesh and blood.
The local clergy have also turned blind eyes, and rough men with bad manners have forced the issue.

Can you guess who are called rude names?

25 November 2012 at 11:48  
Blogger David B said...

Much as I dislike UKIP, that was an outrageous decision which will surely be reversed soon, and I imagine that heads will roll within RBC.

David B

25 November 2012 at 11:54  
Blogger Nick said...

The question posed is "could conservative evangelicals be next?" I have little doubt that the PC fascists (I use the term deliberately) of RBC and the three main political parties party would like to make out a case for not allowing such people to foster on the grounds their views are soccially unworthy. Make no mistake we are entering an era where political correctness will dominate all our lives and will limit not just our behaviour but our thinking in a similar way to the Stalinist purges (less violent perhaps but just as oppressive).

My hope and prayer is that Christians (and other faiths) will not bend under the yolk of pc coerciveness that is so prevalent in our society and which stifles honest or open debate on many issues including issues around gender

25 November 2012 at 12:30  
Blogger Man in a Shed said...

I think you'll find there are already many cases of Christian's being rejected as foster parents on the basis of the Christian faith being incompatible with the liberal cultural Marxism that is the new state religion.

The killer questions are usually around what happens if the child report homosexual feelings ....

But they'll add the whole business of male headship to the list. It'll allow they some variety in their reasons to reject and oppress Christians.

25 November 2012 at 12:34  
Blogger Jessica Hoff said...

I can't see any reason why the Thackers of this world would imagine that any sort of orthodox Christian would be at all suitable as foster parents. After all, we already 'indoctrinate' them, in the eyes of such people, so I am amazed that social services don't already drop in to make sure they get 'balance'.

25 November 2012 at 12:45  
Blogger ukFred said...

The problem lies to start with inside the church. It has been feminised and almost every comment deploring the failure of the CofE to agreeto female bishops (High Priestesses?) has been from a person using a marxian feminist slant and not a theological argument.

Until and unless the Church starts to we4lcome men playing men's roles in leadership within the family, and jettisons all the egalitarian claptrap in favour of Biblical complementarianism of roles in marriage, there will be a danger of Conservative Evangeliscal christian families being seen as unsuitable by the state, and this is before one even looks at the views such folks, especially if they are Bible-believing, have on homosexual behaviour. But we have 2000 years of Christian history to tell us that this is what we should expect. The enemies of Christians will quote 'respected church leaders' to support their case, and when one sees that the Methodist Church is preparing a resource on cohabitation for Young Methodists, one can understand why they would do so.

25 November 2012 at 12:48  
Blogger Philip said...

An excellent peice.

Let's hope that Christians seeking to be faithful to God rather than men in the contested issues, including that of gender roles, will be strengthened so as not to bow to the bullying and intimidation of the PC liberal-left fascists whethere these are in the HOC (of whatever political party) or elsewhere.

25 November 2012 at 12:49  
Blogger Paul de Mello said...

Anglo-Catholics will be next. Frank Fields bill will do it by accident. then RCs, then Evangels.

25 November 2012 at 13:13  
Blogger Roy said...

Since this parliament is very strong on "equality" shouldn't it do something about the practice of many jobs n the public sector being advertised only in a newspaper or newspapers supporting particular viewpoints?

I would not want the Guardian to go bankrupt (even though its journalists did not shed too many tears over the closure of the News of the World) but why should so many of the people employed in the social sector be drawn from among its readers?

We need far more diversity in the public sector. Its employees should reflect the values of mainstream British society, not those of unelected political activists who use their jobs to try and impose their views on the rest of society and, at the same time, try to purge their workplaces of anyone who disagrees with them.

25 November 2012 at 13:54  
Blogger IanCad said...

"Could conservative evangelicals be next?"

Of course they could.

There seem to be an inordinate number of short haired, burly, aggresive women in the Social Services which suggests, to me at least, a certain attractiveness of the industry to those of the lesbian persuasion.

Now, the care of the disadvantaged is incumbent upon all societies who hold themselves to be enlightened. The Social Services do wonderful work work which many shy away from.

If then, as I suggested, those of Sapphic leanings are indeed in leadership roles in the care of the unfortunate, then I would applaud them but for the fact that their political agenda always seems to come to the fore.

25 November 2012 at 13:56  
Blogger John Henson said...

There is a certain irony when those who believe in "male headship" ignore the leadership of their all-male archbishops and bishops when it suits them.

25 November 2012 at 14:17  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

John Henson:

Is there? Only if you believe them to be blindly obedient in the first place, I guess.


On the matter at hand. I'm not necessarily sure that conflating evangelical conservatism with UKIP's policies on multiculturalism will be as obvious as it might seem to many of us here.

Let's face facts - the majority of us are social conservatives. Whether we want to see the law involved in upholding it or not, our ideal society is one that is based on traditional family and gender values, and high on personal morality. Where we advocate social justice, it invariably looks to the State to have a minimum role.

On that last point, we might have an ally in UKIP - but let's not kid ourselves, its natural support is not men who want to be liberated from government so that they can be more philanthropic. Nor is UKIP naturally socially conservative. It's Libertarian. Yes, it currently makes noises in the general direction of SSM, but that has more to do with picking up ex-Tory voters than a genuine policy on sexual morality. Even if members hold one themselves, they are far more likely to take the Ron Paul route and permit rather than prohibit on a host of issues dear (!) to our hearts.

I think they're right on Europe, and whatever fuss they can kick up over it the better. But they're not a carbon copy of conservative evangelicals.

My guess is that the longer they progress up the electoral ladder, the more we'll see a tug of war over their heartstrings similar to the American Republican party between Libertarians who couldn't care less about our moral society, and primarily Christian lobby groups looking for a political party. I don't think the latter will be in anything like the position of strength they have in the US.

25 November 2012 at 14:50  
Blogger Anglican said...

Several threads converge here.

1) See ‘Men and Church’ (Anglican-Mainstream 21 January 2011) for an Eastern Orthodox understand of the importance of men if the Church is not to decline.

2) Equality – much of the nonsense spouted by politicians and liberal Christians (and by Rotherham council and social workers) results from a false understanding of equality. All human beings are not ‘equal’ in every sense (it could be argued that no one is ‘equal’ to anyone else in the world, except for their value in the eyes of God). A mother and a father are not ‘equal’; neither are a husband and a wife – they are complementary and both are equally important.

3) Lord Carey reveals himself as a muddled thinker. He opposes same-sex ‘marriage’ on the grounds that it is not in fact equal to heterosexual marriage (true). But he argues also that the rules must be torn up to allow women bishops – on the grounds of ‘equality’. But though men and women in the church have equal importance and value, their roles are not identical or the same. The same simplistic notion of ‘equality’ is being imposed in a blanket fashion.

25 November 2012 at 15:00  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

The Inspector can confirm this is doing the rounds in beer drinking circles, if the ‘Mouse and Wheel’ is anything to go by. Social workers as we know, belong in Socio Class E, which comprises Bankers, Politicians, Lefty Journalists and Prostitutes, or ‘sex workers’ as the Marxist Liberals calls them.

But what a gift to UKIP ! One suggests their site is in the next forty eight hours going to receive record hits. And those that inquire, how many are going to go away disappointed ?

A magnificent show !

Tally ho !

25 November 2012 at 15:22  
Blogger Tommy said...

Anyone whom has read about the likes of the great Richard Wurmbrand ( tortured for Christ ) his wife Sabina ( the pastors wife ) and many other of the faithful east european believers during the old days of the eastern block will be well aware of Christians having their kids removed from them by the state, the same spirit behind that is the same spirit active today, the spirit of satan, he knows his time is short and seeks to destroy the Christian family and frustrate the plans of God, however I have read the book and I know he fails, we must stand firm and trust our Jesus.

25 November 2012 at 15:31  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

The Inspector sniffs blood in the air. Only the immediate suspension of the decision makers is acceptable, with full hearing and dismissal before the end of the year is out.

The people won’t have nothing less...

To the chase !

25 November 2012 at 15:37  
Blogger Damian said...

OIG, you are right the timing seems strange considering there is a bye-election in Rotheram coming up.

I believe the children are all East European, it makes me glad to know that there were no English children in Rotheram or surrounding districts that needed adopting.

25 November 2012 at 15:59  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Damian, this country bizarrely actually imports much of it’s fostering / adoption problems. It is well known that African parents send their young to the UK, on spec so to speak, usually with the lie of asylum in mind. What wicked people they are to do that ! You see, the child will continue to receive contact with the parents as it grows, but then is overwhelmed with begging letters when it is of working age. In Africa, the elderly fare on the backs of their off spring. The more issue they have, the better they eat. It doesn't surprise this man one bit the East Europeans are getting in on the act.

It will continue to be a problem until the children are handed to the airlines or ferry companies for their upbringing. It would end overnight then.

25 November 2012 at 16:11  
Blogger John Magee said...

Is this the same Rotherham in South Yorkshire the Times had a three page spread on (Sep 24, 2012) about the thousands of predominately Pakistani Muslim gang rapes of white English girl?

25 November 2012 at 16:15  
Blogger Nowhere man said...

Already people are being banned for not accepting homosexuality as equal to heterosexuality...

25 November 2012 at 16:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not much chance for me adopting then

25 November 2012 at 16:39  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

bone, old fellow, gold lame pants. Apparently it’s the thing to wear nowadays...

25 November 2012 at 16:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Inspector, young man, take back the gold lame pants this minute

My manhood will not stand for such innuendo

25 November 2012 at 17:04  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...


LOL. We'll have to send you to the Forest of Dean if you continue to mention gold lame hotpants.

25 November 2012 at 17:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, the forest, eh!

25 November 2012 at 17:10  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Ah, one’s dear forest ! Minutes up the road and sadly under water apparently.

One has despatched the gold lame pants back to DanJ0, whom one deduces may have become a victim of the very lifestyle he advocates. One sincerely wishes him a full sheet of negative results, as the poor lad has had enough of a fright, and hope one day he can return to this site for his usual humiliation, duly chastened...

25 November 2012 at 17:22  
Blogger John Magee said...


I have yet to read about Russians adopting their own orphans.

Bulgarians and Rumanians have orphaned babies and children (especially those with mental health issues) living orphanages in appaulling conditions.

Do fabulously wealthy oil rich Muslims adopt babies from the 3rd world? They might but I haven't seen examples.

Isn't it odd that Japanese and other Asians refuse to adopt babies or children from other races?

When was the last time blacks adopted any children of their own race let alone poor orphans from another race?

These things may happen but I haven't seen any examples yet. But I do see whites in my country adopting Asian, Mexican, and African babies.

Amazing concept isn't it? Those "evil racist" European, American, Canadian, and Aussie white couples having the heart to adopt babies from all over the 3rd world.

My guess is that white orphaned babies would get the trash can in 3rd worlder nations if they had the misfortune to be born there.

Then again maybe they would be lucky and one of Mother Theresa's nuns would find them on the street and save their lives.

25 November 2012 at 17:26  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

I guess I should say something in regards to Rev Person's (name change under Politburo order XXI, LOL) post.

The UKIP/adoption row is a disgrace. It just shows how the zealot socialist is far from liberal or tolerant. But then the adoption policies of the UK are based upon a racially- but politically correct motivated- Apartheid.

25 November 2012 at 17:32  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

John, you have certainly raised some interesting questions on how other races deal with abandoned / unwanted children.

Ones own knowledge is confined to Africa. It’s of no problem there as the tribe will raise the child as a group. The tribe being the extended family and each of whom share the same genes. Marriage of course is only a recent concept introduced by Europeans. It never really took off in the more primitive areas, being confined to townships. Unfortunately, the possibility of a non tribal child being afforded the same care must be in question. There being a well known rivalry between tribes which exists today. The glue that binds the unit, for want of a better explanation. One wonders if the story of Tarzan was inspired by the African young being left to fend for themselves in that situation and adopted / nourished by good hearted primates.

25 November 2012 at 17:47  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems to me UKIP would like a Madonna styled adoption policy

Pick n mix

25 November 2012 at 18:41  
Blogger Arden Forester said...

The horrible problem we face today is that the liberal elite have two selective problems. They have selective memories and selective arguments. They are quite prepared to be disingenuous about all matters that might affect their cause.

So we get bearing of false witness by design or fault. All adds up to not very nice people.

25 November 2012 at 18:52  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

IanCad said...

"Could conservative evangelicals be next?"

They will be forced by legislation to comply and any talk of exemption from equality is nonsense once some tolerance filled lefties decide to take the matter to the ECHR, for the 'Common Good'.

The problem is the lefties are playing multi-player chess on what CofE thinks is a single player match, single move by single move, with the game mode actually being Death-match or Last Player Standing.

The CofE does not comprehend that the goal of a death-match game is to kill (or "frag", from the military term) as many other players as possible until a certain condition or limit is reached, commonly being a frag limit ("You are out of the game and on your way to jail, you bigot"). Once these conditions are met, the match is over and the winner is the player that accumulated the greatest number of frags.

I look forward to legislation enforcing women as Bishops, with the not to distant PM appointment of a new ABofC (there can be no stained glass ceilings here), Ms Chambers and her loving spouse Ms Chambers.
Justin Welby had duly stood aside to ensure it happened sooner rather than later, after personally marrying them both in Westminster Abbey under new ECHR legislation, cancelling the exemption clause previously promised by the British parliament as 'Iron Clad'!!

We will be told the joyous news that they have both been impregnated with a 'donor tithe' from loyal anglicans Ben Bradshaw and Chris Bryant and both expect delivery of sproggs prior to the opening of Parliament.



Old Ernst loved the way that the BBC manipulated the appearance of the audience in the big question earlier today.

On the left (naturally!)in the front and behind - all those that were for women bishops.

On the right were 2 people who were against and Peter Hitchen (who was neither for or against), who asked for kindness for those that disagreed with those on the left.

The rest of the audience on the right were filled with those who should have been over on the left but needed to be placed so that it looked like nobody could be dragged in who wanted to speak against women bishops.

As the debate swung from left to right, those on the right looked like they were being persuaded by those on the left of the audience as they spoke about the joys of unabashed secular equality could have on the church and doing something about those stopping society having it's way!!

Pravda would be green with envy but grateful that all that hard work had not been lost on the wonder of balanced reporting that is the good old BBC.

25 November 2012 at 18:52  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

There is more to this story, and not only the fact that many a council, perhaps all of them these days, is being run by Officers instead of by Councillors. UKIP could not have bought publicity like this, right where and when it was fighting a parliamentary by-election. Surely no one is quite that hopeless a coincidence theorist?

UKIP is making a play for the white vote while having, it feels, conceded the Asian vote to Respect following the deeply flawed Labour selection process. But Respect won every ward at Bradford West, including the all-white ones. Bradford West, by the way, was no "Labour heartland", having been a Conservative target seat in 2010. Respect's candidate at Rotherham, like its candidate at Bradford West, is white. Clearly Respect-supporting, but conveniently unattributable, leaflets are accusing Labour of returning to the politics of the National Front in the 1970s. A bit strong, but I do not know whom Labour functionaries expect to be fooled by the maiden aunt act. Wasting police time, more like it.

Respect's candidate at Croydon North is neither Asian nor Muslim. He is Lee Jasper, the veteran ruler of Operation Black Vote. He needs to be asked exactly how representative either he or it is of family-centred churchgoers who cherish the monarchy's role in the Commonwealth, who value traditional methods and structures of education (even to the extent of sending children to live with relatives in Africa or the Caribbean in order to benefit from them), and who believe most strongly that immigrants to this country ought to use correct spoken and written English. But, and I only ask, is the Labour candidate in any position to pose this question? If not, then why is that person the Labour candidate?

If the recent proposal to use the black churches to get out the black vote really comes to anything, and it has not done so in the past, then it will make a very significant difference indeed. If your main concern is to organise against Islamisation, then you could want no voters more than Christians from West Africa and the belt across the centre of that continent. Only three other groups are as reliable in this cause. One is the Greeks in general and the Greek Cypriots in particular, of which latter one in six in the world already lives in the United Kingdom. Another is the Slavs, among whom the Poles predominate in this country. And the third is the ancient indigenous Christians of the Middle East, with their brethren in the Indian Subcontinent.

London has a higher level both of professing Christians and of regular churchgoers than the country as a whole, which in the former case is saying quite something when you consider that the national figure is 72 per cent. The huge London statistics are because of black Londoners. Up to now, though, they have been unregistered, or abstaining, or disorganised. If they were not so by the time of the next Mayoral Election in 2016, then the question would be which leading pastor would carry the torch for all three of social justice, peace, and traditional family values against the candidate of rapacious global capital, the sexually louche and pro-drugs incumbent who believes that Christianity overthrew a superior civilisation. Whichever leading pastor had not been made a Labour MP the year before.

Assuming, of course, that any leading pastor had not been made a Labour MP the year before. A lot of them, and I do mean a lot of them, have very close ties, and I do mean very close ties, to Maurice Glasman and Blue Labour. There is ample time for them to sign up their entire congregations to the locally dominant Constituency Labour Parties. As the Catholic Church more or less used to do. And as the Methodist chapels actually started the Labour Party by doing. Community organising, indeed.

And not only in London. Not only in London at all.

25 November 2012 at 19:26  
Blogger John Magee said...


Did you know that the original Cheetah chimpanzee from those Tarzan films of the late 1930's and early 1940's died at age 80 in December 2011 at an animal sanctuary in Florida?

I wish I had one of his autographs :)

25 November 2012 at 19:32  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

He was a damn clever chimp John, getting out of Africa. Poor fellow may well have been eaten had he remained. Bush meat you know, apparently delicious even if it is 98% genetically like you !

25 November 2012 at 19:44  
Blogger bluedog said...

Dave has really bown it; Lynton Crosby will be furious.

The insincere retraction of Cameron's earlier UKIP insult (Fruitcakes/loonies) just ahead of the Rotheram by-election will tip petrol on the fire. The UKIP foster-parent outrage will potentially be the trigger for the old white working class to abandon Labour and swing to UKIP. They are always reluctant to vote Tory for tribal reasons, but UKIP isn't so toffy. The social conservatives of the working class are precisely the demographic that Crosby loves to target. In terms of background, Nadine Dorries is the sort of MP that Crosby would clone if he could.

UKIP must have a guardian angel.

25 November 2012 at 19:48  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Congratulations Cheetah, on reaching your 80th birthday. Any message for the African people you left behind so long ago ?
Nah, f__k em

25 November 2012 at 19:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rotherams game plan as I see it, was to damage the growth in popularity, which EUKIP has seen

Many who thought EUKIP was a safe vote to regain our traditions may be reeling at them opposing a common sence desision

To give white children to white parents, something Rotheram council would never have proposed until just now


25 November 2012 at 20:06  
Blogger John Magee said...

David Lindsay

I don't want to believe what you posted even though every word you said was true.

As I posted above. This story comes from the same Rotherham in South Yorkshire the Times had a three page spread on (Sep 24, 2012) about the thousands of predominately Pakistani Muslim gang rapes of white English which was covered up by the local police and social workers. Possibly the same police and social workers who took these children from their parents. Why isn't this mentioned?

If you are going to rely on immigrant black voters in London to preserve your country's freedoms lots of luck. The USA just had an election where the overwhelming majority of blacks voted for a Marxist simply because he will give them unlimited free government benefits, tax the hated rich into extinction, give more privilidges to minorities, and destroy the present capitalist system. For decades surveys and polls indicate Blacks in the USA have very conservative values about gay marriage and abortion yet they voted as a group for a man based, on his race, who has supports every form of abortion, changed his mind about gay marriage, and plans to destroy the USA. Be careful for what you wish for and put your hopes on because you might get a nightmare worse than things already are.

These children were taken from their parents in the name of political correctness and a state that has decided that only certain political views can or should be taught at home by parents to, at the present time, adopted children.

I hate to say this but your country asked for a "mild" form of Socialism after WW II and you see it in action at it's extreme today. What will things be like when the UK is a full member of the EU soon? Don't rely on blacks or any other immigrant group to get you out of this mess because I promise if they have the choice between freedom or the welfare state they will chose the welfare state over your centuries of hard earned freedoms everytime.

25 November 2012 at 20:14  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Hmm.... if the couple had been gay, bisexual or muslim or even a muslim convicted murderer ( article in MoS secondary school teacher convicted Bangladeshi murderer) then no doubt all would have been fine. Where are the children's parents? And what are their situations that they have sent their kids to Britain for free care and education? I bet we aren't charging them for our services. Christian we might be but some are taking the p***s.

Rotherham council seem either to employ dim, ignorant social workers or this is a bit of a stunt in light of the approaching bi-election.

25 November 2012 at 20:29  
Blogger bluedog said...

Spot on, John Magee @ 20.14.

The UK is now paying the price for running an immigration policy based on the idea of admitting people who would do the jobs that the British wouldn't do under the fuzzy notion of 'Civis Britannicus sum'. Predictably the 'empire within' is now an electorally significant force ready to be exploited by competent political entrepreneurs. UKIP, for it's part, has a unique opportunity amongst the White British who seem likely to reject the cultural Marxism of Labour and importantly, the Conservatives under Cameron.

It is a shocking indictment of Cameron that he was clearly more comfortable with Obama than with Romney.

25 November 2012 at 20:36  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Good Lord !

We are making history in the same way as Rome fell in 410. The lower hordes made their way to the capital. Same today, new hordes out for our benefit culture, free health treatment, subsidized housing, free schooling. One wonders whether the last of the Romans ‘adapted’ their laws and customs to accommodate the crowds as we do now.

Our very own people, race traitors the lot of them, have betrayed us. UKIP says I, the final Legio left ! We must rally to General Farage. Easy choice that, rejecting gay pandering Cameron, Mili whatever, of Jewish Marxist stock, and that non entity who leads the liberal marxist degenerate pretenders whose name one does not care to remember, but whose madcap ideas reigns over ‘social workers’ thinking...

hmmm. One wonders if English goes the same way as Latin did ? Probably not, it’s a familiar story, our cultural destruction, but each time it happens, the story is slightly different.
(Memo to ones self, ‘Must brush up on ones Arabic and have prayer mat to hand’)

25 November 2012 at 21:02  
Blogger gentlemind said...

@Anglican. Good point about Carey. Double standards.

(enter Devil's Advocate): Why the fuss re Rotherham? The state has a moral duty to find the children a home. The suitability of potential foster/adopting parents can only be decided according to subjective criteria. It is not as though the state has separated the children from adults who meet an objective reality ie being the child's natural parents.

Redefining marriage allows the state to ignore the objective physical reality of parenthood. In effect we will all be foster parents - to our own children.

25 November 2012 at 21:20  
Blogger gentlemind said...

@Anglican. Good point about Carey. Double standards.

(enter Devil's Advocate): Why the fuss re Rotherham? The state has a moral duty to find the children a home. The suitability of potential foster/adopting parents can only be decided according to subjective criteria. It is not as though the state has separated the children from adults who meet an objective reality ie being the child's natural parents.

Redefining marriage allows the state to ignore the objective physical reality of parenthood. In effect we will all be foster parents - to our own children.

25 November 2012 at 21:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is more, where will all this anti-Apartheid sentiment end

Muslim children being placed with Christian families, with Social Services ensuring you bring them up good muslims, as they are accustomed

25 November 2012 at 21:33  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Mr Cranmer

Such discrimination against those who believe in traditional family life, not just 'conservative evangelical christians', has existed for years!

I chaired fostering and adoption panels for many years and anyone presenting traditional values concerning marriage and child rearing was always given a difficult time. Most were screened out by assessment before reaching the panel. Atheists, fine. Interestingly, so too were Buddhists. Single parents, not a problem. Homosexuals, no issue. But a self declared Christian! Or even a person or persons declaring christian cultural values without being religious, set alarm bells off.

What's different in 2012 is that this is now becoming national policy and a part of a social worker's training. They have Honary Degrees these days too, don't ya know.

What is a 'conservative evangelical christian'?

25 November 2012 at 21:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I could possibly do Buddhist because I believe in Mother Mary, Mara, Maya

I could teach the children how to see through the illusion

25 November 2012 at 22:11  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

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25 November 2012 at 22:23  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Bred,

You left Mary's real name, Miriam, out for some reason...

25 November 2012 at 22:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Hannah

Doh! Silly me, conspiracy theory afoot ;)

25 November 2012 at 23:03  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Gentlemen, do you accept what Rotherham has done. Good, you don’t. Now, how can we stop ourselves from being eaten from the inside out.

Has to be UKIP you know...

25 November 2012 at 23:03  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

By the way, in case you were thinking the Conservatives would put these thing to rights ‘once they get to power’ – think again !!!

We are on our bloody own at the moment...

25 November 2012 at 23:24  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...


If a Buddhist ye pretend to be, you cannot teach! Neither would you believe in anything. Free yourself from these ideas.

Goodness, this is all 101 Buddhism!

"Grasshopper, seek to understand the question - not find the answer.
(Kung Fu - The Movie)

25 November 2012 at 23:47  
Blogger Julia Gasper said...

If you would like to protest to Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council directly here are
their contact details:-
General Enquiries 01709 382121

Childrens Social Care 01709 823987

Customer Complaint or suggestion form

The e-mail form has plenty of space for a lengthy complaint.

26 November 2012 at 01:08  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

We are catholick and we are okay
We blog all night and repent all day
They are catholick and they're okay
They blogs all night and repent all day

We cuss others off , We eat our words
then we go to the confessional
On Fridays we go fasting
And have penance tarts for tea
They cuss's others off...
They are catholick...

We pontificate, We skip and jump
We like to make up poems
We slag off all the poofters
And then hang around their bars
They pontificate...
They are catholick...

We wear a Cilice, We read 'The Way'
Love thrashings and cold showers
We wish we'd founded an apostolate
Just like our dear PAPA
They wear a Cilice...
They are catholick...


26 November 2012 at 01:28  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Don't be so ridiculous Blowfart. No one likes cold showers!

26 November 2012 at 02:34  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Don't be so ridiculous Blowfart. No one likes cold showers (Bet there were plenty burnt at the stake that would beg to disagree!

"Trolls and Cressida. What a fine work of blog fiction..Ernst does love a religious Mills and Boon..Does the boy get the fickle girl in the last chapter!"

Cressida - is that the satellite , fourth in distance (oh dear), from the planet Uranus . ;-)

26 November 2012 at 03:05  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Sigh..I grow weary of these simpering love missives from the commode dweller.Keep this up Ernsty and the book will never be finished ...

26 November 2012 at 03:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dodo25 November 2012 23:47
It is not in the grasping but in the letting go , maybe in the next life I will be ready, no need to rush these things

26 November 2012 at 05:53  
Blogger John Magee said...

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26 November 2012 at 07:06  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Of course UKIPers should not be allowed to adopt vulnerable kids. Heaven forefend that any child should endure the torture of being taught how to think independently of, and be critical of, the State!

26 November 2012 at 07:09  
Blogger John Magee said...


Your "poem" was awful.

I love cats. Your photo ID shows a cat in the arms of someone who obviously loves cats. Is that person you? How can a nice person who loves cats post such a nasty "poem" about Catholics?

26 November 2012 at 07:22  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

John Magee said

Oh you poor boy.

Ernst thought you yanks loved a bit of 'Monty' or have you forgot the tune? *chuckles aloud*

"How can a nice person who loves cats post such a nasty "poem" about Catholics?" Ooo, sir. I am a cad, bounder, scoundrel, rascal, a veritable proddie firebrand. I am reporting myself to the RSPCC (Royal Society of the Prevention of Cruelty to Catholicks: founded June 1540 by Queen Mary) and will ensure that Tiddles is rehoused with a more ecumenical proddie than her current owner!

Who would have believed there was a such a sensitive soul that lurks below that stiff Jesuit exterior.




"and the book will never be finished ..." Indeed! Ernst keeps the Roman Catechism close to his right hand whilst sitting on the commode and hasn't got many sheets left to read from it. As the sheets are pretty rough, he views it as a form of 'hygienic penance' and he feels so much better after using them so. Cleanliness is next to Godliness, is it not!

Ernst does so enjoy making use of a worldwide best seller amongst the world's religious illiterate!! It actually comes with an audio cassette of Imprimatur instructions of how it must be read and followed, on pain of excommunication!!

As you were, that Gal.

26 November 2012 at 09:38  
Blogger John Thomas said...

I'm quite sure that had the foster-parents been members of an alternative political party, then there would have been no problem. I think Rotherham should be forced to publish a list of approved political parties and other organisations, so that members of other/rival parties and organisations will know not to bother applying for foster care positions.

26 November 2012 at 11:43  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Do us all a favour Ernst. Substitute Koran for Catechism.The force of a gelignited commode can send a geratric arse orbiting in space.

26 November 2012 at 13:34  
Blogger Jon said...

Reverend Mann, I think you're probably over-estimating the amount of interest the rest of the country has in the dysfunctional attitude, and poor careers advice that the CoE has shown to its women vicars.

Having said that, I can see that bringing up a girl in a household which tells her that she is unfit for something because she's female would be debilitating to self- esteem.

I'm glad that the head of the CoE is the Queen. Long may she reign over us and all those who doubt that a woman can provide spiritual succour, leadership and exemplary service. Her life is the best rebuke to those who doubt a woman's capacity to do anything she wants.

26 November 2012 at 13:46  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Bone,

Well this wouldn't be the cranmer comment thread without a conspiracy theory being mentioned. LOL.

26 November 2012 at 13:57  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Blowfart - love you new name !


Here's a little ditty for you:

"I just flew in from the windy city
the windy city is mighty proddy
but they aint got what we got
no sir - e"

26 November 2012 at 14:02  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Incidentally I did look up 'Anglican Evangelicals' and they were considered to be radicals; like William Wilberforce who campaigned against the slave trade and slavery. And Lord Shaftsbury who was an incredible social reformer,supported Catholic emancipation & was a Christian Zionist.

26 November 2012 at 14:09  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


The name is not new and has been mentioned by some of Ernst's finest critics..What a compliment..must be getting under those Cilices. Oooh.

""I just flew in from the windy city
the windy city is mighty proddy
but they aint got what we got
no sir - e"
" Ain't that from Calamity Cressie..

"Once I had a secret lust
That lived within the heart of me
All too soon my secret lust
Became impatient to be free.

Instrumental Interlude (clip clop, clip clop)

Now I shout it from the seven hills
Even tho they are only venial thrills
At last my heart's an open door
And my secret lusts no secret He's my birdie bore "

26 November 2012 at 15:05  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Hilarious..Giggles..more giggles

Never let it be said that Carfolics do not appreciate humour. The next time we do a burning at the stake I'll bring a hose (just for you dawlin')

26 November 2012 at 16:05  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

One wonders how those social workers would react if potential fosterers admitted being regular contributors to Cranmer...

Blofeld. Any more silly poems and nurse will be taking your coloured pencils away. You have been warned....

26 November 2012 at 18:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ernst(.26 November 2012 01:28)

To the tune of the 'lumberjack song I presume?.

Priceless. made my day!.

26 November 2012 at 19:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think a collection should be started for a pair of' Gold lame hotpants' for the Inspector when he take a night off from blogging.... do they do XXL hotpants?.

26 November 2012 at 19:04  
Blogger John Magee said...


Queen Mary's father was no slouch when it came to making Catholics martyrs. His daughter Elizabeth I was an expert at the job.


What you said is true. It's also true that kings, queens, PM's and presidents are not in direct line of succession from the Apostle's are they? Bishops are.

However...American black actor Jamie Foxx said on BET (Black Entertainment Television) at the annual Soul Train Awards event Sunday to the audience and viewers: "First of all, give an honor to God and our lord and savior Barack Obama. Barack Obama."

Apparently a black president (pharaoh) IS considered a god.

If anyone doubts this was said Google it.

It now appears that to some American Blacks President Obama truly is the messiah and welfare checks do come from heaven.

26 November 2012 at 19:26  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

John. Haile Selassie was considered a god by black types, as was the Japanese Hirohito by the men of yellow. It’s a racial thing you know...

26 November 2012 at 19:35  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Len , 19:04

Leave the humour to the Inspector, sunshine. When humour fails, tis a pitiful sight...

26 November 2012 at 19:37  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

Yes, but you didn't state your intended purpose for said hose. I can think of several uses.

So true; so true. Humour is all in observation and timing and our poor weasel friend has neither.

26 November 2012 at 19:59  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


"To the tune of the 'lumberjack song I presume?." Indeed my boy!

Priceless. made my day!.(Ernst tries to tickle the parts other old upstarts cannot reach.. Was not a big fan of their sketches but enjoyed their ditties and one liners such as 'NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition' 'You lived in a paper bag? You were jolly lucky.!"

Ernst, my lad.

26 November 2012 at 20:03  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Next week, we proddies learn how to defend ourselves against someone carrying a stake, charcoal briquettes and a meter length of garden hose but for those who requested to see Cardinal Richlieu's impersonation of Petula Clarke, stay tuned.

"The next time we do a burning at the stake I'll bring a hose (just for you dawlin')"
Silence, FOWL TEMPTRESS!!! ;-)

26 November 2012 at 20:18  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

I doubt a meter of hose is necessary for a colonic lavage, Ernsty. Mind you, one never knows given the amount of waste you produce.

Time for a good clear out and a fresh start.

26 November 2012 at 23:22  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"Time for a good clear out and a fresh start". Wise words..Err, your lot first!!

27 November 2012 at 10:09  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

What the attitudes behind this deplorable case shows is that when you drive out good religion, you don't get no religion, you get bad religion.

In this case, the religion of statist cultural Marxism has been applied. The situation requires more than the sacking of a couple of nasty little fascists in social services (although that would be a bloody good start) but a national reflection on where we are going with the culture.

PS isn't Rotherham one of the places where Asian gangs abused white girls in care?

27 November 2012 at 10:44  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Incidentally, Richard Dawkins has said that teaching children that Darwinian theory may be questioned (he calls this 'teaching creationism') is 'tantamount to child abuse.'

And we all know what happens to child abusers, don't we?

27 November 2012 at 10:53  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...

But Ernsty, my dear man, we did this at Trent, Vatican I and Vatican II. And "your lot" refused to attend.

I'll arrange for Matron to receive a 6 meter hose-pipe with the correct solution to clear all the waste matter that lingers within you.

27 November 2012 at 13:56  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

But Dickie "Time for a good clear out (Removal of heresies that are non biblical )and a fresh start (Back to Bible Basics)" ..There's no shame in admitting a refresher course might assist as Trent, Vatican I and Vatican II was really more a hasty Elastoplast stuck over the body of Christ's septic wound, rather than an operation for 'we' to gather round and pray it makes it through.

What Dr Ernst suggests and is required by the rest of the body is a amputation of the gangrenous offensive limb that infects, a strong course of Anti-Heresiotics to be taken with a full stomach, fed from the Word itself..He is the Bread of Life!!!!! .

NEXT Patient please!

Dr Ernst Blofeld

27 November 2012 at 14:31  
Blogger John Magee said...

Rambling Appleseed

Yes. I posted that question earlier.

John Magee said...

Is this the same Rotherham in South Yorkshire the Times had a three page spread on (Sep 24, 2012) about the thousands of predominately Pakistani Muslim gang rapes of white English girl?

25 November 2012 16:15

27 November 2012 at 14:55  
Blogger The Way of Dodo said...


The Church tried that approach some centuries ago but now permits people to freely choose.

Nope, as much as it pains me to say it, you'll have to undergo the recommended cleansing procedure. If it fails a more drastic remedy can be attempted.

I will ask Matron to be gentle and proceed with caution bearing in mind you're advancing years and excessive wind. We wouldn't want the whole of South London polluted!

27 November 2012 at 19:47  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am afraid poor old dodo is stuck with his 'chosen religion'it came with a set of blinkers and ear plugs.

27 November 2012 at 19:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there anyone in the above who actually works in a local authority, or has been through or assessed anyone in the selection process for fostering? Looking at much o f the scaremongering, whining and drivel above, I think not. There are 50,000 children in foster care at present (usually because of the failures of those profligate heterosexuals) with foster carers from diverse backgrounds and beliefs. One hiccough caused by stupidity on the part of a poorly performing local authority and Revd Mann, eager to spread discord, fear and uncertainty rushes in and (with a tad of the self-magnification that is ever the intention of a purveyor of victim-mentality) wastes his time and effort worrying over something that hasn’t happened – tho’ does give us a glimpse of the workings of his grubby, hate-filled and (obviously) tiny mind.

As usual Revd Mann falls foul of his own, supposed love of the Bible. A little more contemplation on Matthew 6:34 – and esp. Exodus 23: 1!

27 November 2012 at 22:45  
Blogger Lord AnonymousInBelfast said...

Peter Denshaw:

I believe Dodo has stated he's sat on panels before (see above: 25 November 2012 21:49), which answers your initial question.

I am slightly confused by your argument - you refer to bearing false witness, but your point seems to be that this is only a "one-off". Surely, if it is a "one-off", it happened even if you maintain it does not represent every case, so that refering to it is not false witness.

Matthew 6:34 is a curious passage to cite, as it affirms the power of God over history. Whilst it is a rebuke to existential despair, it is not the basis for telling Christians they must never walk around with their eyes open - quite the contrary in many ways: it is to say, whatever troubles you find yourself in, whoever is arrayed in hostility against you, God is your protector.

Certainly we should contemplate that often, but I can't help but wonder whether you are citing Scripture because you believe contemplation of it to be genuinely profitable to the soul, or if you see it as a kind of quote-book to throw at Christians (quotes which you do not in any case necessarily believe in or accept as true) in order to shut 'em up.

May I refer you to these wise words from Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" (Act 1, Scene 3):

" The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.

An evil soul producing holy witness Is like a villain with a smiling cheek.

28 November 2012 at 08:16  
Blogger Arden Forester said...

The simple answer is yes. Those not in the Programme will be pilloried!

28 November 2012 at 15:24  

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