Monday, March 25, 2013

Holy Immigration - Bishop of Dudley bashes the Prime Minister

So, right on cue (the weekend of the UKIP Spring Conference), David Cameron has announced a raft of policies to curb immigration and address the 'something-for-nothing' welfare free-for-all which permits anyone from the EU - skilled and unskilled alike - to immigrate to Kensington and live in a £3million mansion, claim our Child Benefit and Tax Credits, get their teeth fixed, have their babies and then get those children educated all courtesy of the British taxpayer.

In policies apparently aimed at the imminent influx of 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians, the Prime Minister intends to reduce immigrants' access to benefits by insisting that they prove they are looking for work and requiring residency for at least two years before they can access council housing (an exception will be made for those fleeing 'domestic violence' or 'family breakdown'). If they fulfil neither, it's back to the shanty towns of Romania for them (assuming they don't just 'disappear' into the underworld of illegal immigration). Further, the free-at-the-point-of-need National Health Service will no longer be a free International Health Service. Those requiring treatment will be required to pay for it, or prove they can pay for it, with some sort of NHS 'entitlement' card introduced.

So, presumably, Bulgarian women will be left to give birth in the gutter, and Romanian men will be left to bleed to death from their severed arteries while those who are entitled to treatment sail on ahead of them.

Presumably, also, nothing can or will be done about immigration from the other 24 EU member states, who will remain as free as ever they were to claim whatever benefits and housing they want in order to fulfil their human rights as decreed by the European Convention. We can expect an awful lot of weepy women and quivering children to claim they are fleeing domestic violence. And, in this age of gender equality, expect quite a few butch men to claim the same. Quite how the Border Agency will check the veracity of thousands of such claims is unclear. And neither is it clear what the threshold of 'domestic violence' will be: having watched Channel 4's Gypsy and Traveller brides as they plan their wedding days, it is quite clear that some of their cultural norms - like 'grabbing' - may be deemed to constitute a violation and assault. Will the threat of being 'grabbed' become a passport to UK welfare?

Into this fray steps the Bishop of Dudley, the Rt Rev'd David Walker, who is of the view that politicians exaggerate the negative impact of immigration, which he says is 'wholly disproportionate' to the real threat. He told the Observer: "Public fears around immigration are like fears around crime. They bear little relationship to the actual reality."

The Bishop has served on this board and is a former chairman of that board, and seems well-versed in committee proceedings and waffly proclamations. He opines:
"The tone of the current debate suggests that it is better for 10 people with a legitimate reason for coming to this country to be refused entry than for one person to get in who has no good cause. It is wholly disproportionate as a response. It is especially galling in Holy Week, when Christians are remembering how Jesus himself became the scapegoat in a political battle, to see politicians vying with each other in just such a process.

"Studies show that the vast majority of new arrivals to the UK enhance and enrich our society, both economically and culturally. The true threats to our national wellbeing lie not with those who come to visit or make their lives here but with the increasing gap between the rich and poor among us."
His Grace agrees with the Bishop that the tone of the debate is inappropriate, but only insofar as it is nowhere near as robust and forthright as it needs to be. What is 'especially galling' is for a senior cleric of the Established Church to whinge about the rhetoric without offering any solutions to the immigrant ghettos and shanty towns which are popping up in some of the most densely-populated cities in the UK. Is the Bishop in favour of transitional controls? No? Why not? Does he support the free movement of citizens from other EU member states into this country? Yes? Why?

The Bishop is apparently concerned about such a debate occurring during Holy Week, 'when Christians are remembering how Jesus himself became the scapegoat in a political battle'.

It ought to come as no surprise that an Anglican bishop perceives the Stations of the Cross as a socialist manifesto. But the vast majority of Christians won't give a thought for the politics of immigration as they meditate this week upon the Cross of Calvary. They'll be thanking God that their sins are forgiven; that they are cleansed by the blood of the Holy Lamb of God; that they will rise again on the Last Day in triumph and spend eternity in Glory with their Saviour.

Bishop David ought to try living for a while in Peterborough, Burnley, or Barking and Dagenham, where social cohesion is among the lowest in the country. He might visit a primary school or five in which 26 separate and distinct languages are spoken, and try imparting the National Curriculum into that mêlée. Uncontrolled immigration fractures and fragments communities, significantly increasing public anxiety over housing, doctors, dentists, hospitals and schools. Certainly, some immigrants come to contribute positively - like taking low-skilled jobs or working in the NHS. But many more come to sponge of our welfare and exploit our hospitality. And it is not at all clear why we're not training British teenagers to be doctors or nurses and then granting them preferred employment in the NHS. Perhaps Christians might reflect on that 'political battle' this week as they're staring at their crucifixes.

The Bishop appears to fabricate a ratio of 10:1 of workers to shirkers. Those who demur, of course, are cast as racists or xenophobes. But some councils - obviously not Dudley - are under great pressure from the social consequences of immigration. And, whatever David Cameron says or does or says he is doing, whatever hardline anti-immigrant rhetoric he spouts, it will be about as efficacious as Gordon Brown's plea of 'British jobs for British workers'. The numbers cannot be controlled without the UK taking control once again of its own borders.

So, as the Bishop of Dudley turns Holy Week into a homily on European union and utopian ever closer union, His Grace exhorts you to block your ears to his New-Labour vision of the New Jerusalem, and reflect instead upon the un-socialised Jesus - the real scapegoat.


Blogger John M Ward said...

There is a lot of truth in Your Grace's view here, but also a wide range of experiences by various people, as the wealth of (often conflicting) comments at today's Marina Kim piece at ConHome exemplify.

I worked in the Immigration Dept of the Home Office for several years, and my father too (and he has told me a lot that I didn't personally experience, which has been helpful).

All these inputs have led this vast calculating machine that is my brain to work out that there is no valid stereotype, despite individual perceptions and attempted generalisations. Let me take an example from my years in the Immigration Dept.

When dealing with refugees from a particular part of the world, I was surprised how many had police records, often for quite serious crimes. It gave me the almost unavoidable impression that this was a dodgy country.

Then I found out that a large proportion of those from that country who had escaped to Britain had been let out of (often high security) prisons by rebels, revolutionaries or whatever they were, leading the uprising.

Thus it wasn't a national characteristic at all; and it is a clue that no matter how wide our personal experience, we still get only a necessarily limited perspective.

Immigration itself has to be handled very carefully in a small, crowded island nation such as ours; but it is 'intelligence' way beyond any individual's experience or opinion that is the best guide we have to how to most sensibly do this.

It has to be said that no-one who hasn't worked within this area directly can be expected to have the necessary understanding to be able to say what should and should not be done. We all have to be careful about this: even I am now so out of date that I can give no more than general guidance and background info nowadays.

25 March 2013 at 11:22  
Blogger John M Ward said...

As for the Bishop, and the Left in the church in general: I have declared many times in various places (mostly in conversation) that it has to be effectively impossible for any Lefty to be a true Christian as they all serve the wrong master.

As the world's history, and texts and memos show, all the Left are dependent upon deception, theft, dictatorship and oppression, all increasing over time. This cannot be compatible with a Christian outlook, and any who think so, by some warped line of thinking, are surely deluded.

It is one of the few black-and-white, open-and-shut debates in this world of (mostly) shades of grey...

25 March 2013 at 11:31  
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25 March 2013 at 11:35  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Holy days nitwittery abounds, Your Grace. You are not alone. Passover is a favourite time for some of my brothers and sisters to discover "religion" and to infuse it with "meaning." This year there is a new crop of socially relevant Haggadot--order of service booklets--which strive to link our flight from slavery and thee fleshpots of Mizrayim to pressing matters of contemporary social justice. To wit:

"LGBTQ Haggadah--Mixing traditional and progressive elements to create a uniquely Queer experience for all."

"A Common Road to Freedom Haggadah--
Black-Jewish Haggadah, rich in songs, ancient & contemporary writing and reflections by Jewish & African American leaders."

"Passover of Peace Haggadah--A Seder for the Children of Abraham, Hagar & Sarah: An Organizing Tool for Israeli-Palestinian Peace-Making."

"Earth Seder Haggadah--Freedom Seder for the Earth: Facing the Plagues & Pharaohs of our Generation."

Fascinating stuff, no doubt. Alas, the Seders at Casa Barzel will miss out on such excitement, as they will keep to the same-old, same-old, updated only by a slew of new recepies and plentiful cups of new Israeli vintages I've been collecting throughout the year. It is a minor miracle worth noting that I have been able to resist my yetzer ha-rah, not to mention my wife's righteous wrath and that the collection survived with only about 10 percent "product loss" this year. I'll have to drink to that.

25 March 2013 at 11:36  
Blogger Nick said...

Trying to discuss immigration in this country is like trying to discuss gay marriage; unless you are 100% infavour then you are some sort of anachronistic evil Nazi. Hence the lack of intelligent debate on both subjects. The truth is there is nothing evil about having an immigration policy which protects the rights of existing citizens of all ethnic origins. Being Christian is not the same as being a doormat, and the Bishop is clearly willing for us all to be doormats.

As for Cameron, Clegg, and Milliband, they are all clearly rattled by the recent performance of UKIP and are doing a bit of posturing to try to get a few votes back. It doesn't convince me. My vote will still be going to UKIP.

25 March 2013 at 11:38  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

PS: A happy, peaceful and kosher pesakh to my fellow Red Sea Pedestrians in the UK.

25 March 2013 at 11:42  
Blogger Corrigan said...

PS: A happy, peaceful and kosher pesakh to my fellow Red Sea Pedestrians in the UK.

But not to anyone else? Gee, Avi, I'm hurt; I mean, I'm hoping you have a really cool Holy Week.

25 March 2013 at 11:52  
Blogger Flossie said...

Following on from John Ward's post, I have worked in a minor capacity for a doctor responsible for examining asylum seekers for evidence of torture in their home countries, and while I saw many, many obvious examples of fraud there were also some horrifying genuine cases. So I do have sympathy for people from countries with terrible regimes - but none of this alters the fact that they are supposed to go to the first safe country, which the UK is not.

I would invite the Bishop of Dudley to my own home town in Greater London, in which the shopping centre could be anywhere in the world other than England, where the local hospital has not only mostly foreign patients but foreign staff too, where some of the schools are so overwhelmed with children who don't speak English that teachers struggle to cope, and the tertiary college consists of students with barely a white face among them. Most of my local shops cater for every nationality but my own.

I have to say that these are mostly good, decent people - but I sometimes feel that I am the immigrant!

25 March 2013 at 11:54  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

So sorry Corrigan, a happy Passover to you and any one who wishes to join in. There were thousands of non-Jews who joined the trek in the Sinai after all. I just thought that with your objections to Vatican II, such ecumenical party-crashing wouldn't be your thing.

25 March 2013 at 12:07  
Blogger Julia Gasper said...

If the Bishop can turn water into wine or miraculously feed the 5,000 without running up any bills at the local supermarket, then doubtless he is able to stump up the £26,000 per year in benefits to pay out to each of the EU migrants as soon as they arrive without raising taxes or cutting benefits for the people who live here already.
If he can heal lepers maybe he can provide their free medical care without having to pay for the doctors, nurses, drugs and hospital overheads like the NHS does.
Since he has a home provided with his job, he does not have to worry about the lengthening of council house waiting lists or the cuts in housing benefit caused by the arrival of few more million.
However, if he can't do such miracles he should keep out of a discussion of real economic problems to which he has NO honest or credible answers.

25 March 2013 at 12:54  
Blogger Corrigan said...

Oh, it's nice to be nice, Avi. Ask any Protestant.

25 March 2013 at 12:55  
Blogger James Reade said...

Once again, a right winger who believes in freeing up businesses from red tape proclaims the need for red tape to keep those pesky hard-working foreigners out.

"Many more" come here to sponge off our benefits system relative to those who come here to work hard? Really? Where is the evidence for this remarkably strong statement? Prove me wrong but I assert: It does not exist outside the opinion pages of the Daily Mail.

Why do they come here rather than France? Or Germany? Or somewhere a bit closer to their families? What makes you think that Bulgarians and Romanians are that much more lazy than Brits? Why should we protect lazy Brits in jobs when these Bulgarians could do a much better job?

I just can't get my head around the contradictions of right wingers. Cut red tape - apart from on immigration. Get rid of the benefits scrounging culture - but let's protect Brits in jobs by keeping pesky foreigners out.

25 March 2013 at 13:11  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

HI Avi and everyone else,

Chag Sameach! And I hope you have sold or got rid of all of your chametz.

25 March 2013 at 13:21  
Blogger Julia Gasper said...

James Reade's remarks about "lazy Brits" sound racist to me. If it's lazy to be unemployed then millions of people in Spain, Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Italy are "lazy" according to him. Or does he imagine that the huge unemployment in those EU countries in also invented by the Daily Mail? Yes France and Germany also have an influx of migrants and he may like to know that Germany has already announced it will take steps to prevent new benefit claimants from Bulgaria and Romania.
Not invented by the Daily Mail, I assure you. Some lefties think that most of the world is invented by the Daily Mail.
There are many difficulties for foreigners seeking work in France because their unions have a system that makes life rather complicated.
Where exactly is James Reade going to send the "lazy Brits" when he has given their homes to these noble Bulgarians? Is he going to send them to a concentration camp as they are inferior? Or find the money to keep them unemployed for life (how?)
Business "red tape" is nothing to do with national boundaries. And the best way to reduce the amount of benefits we have to pay out is to ensure that those already here take up jobs - no contradiction, just good logic.

25 March 2013 at 13:54  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Now, now, Corrigan, no swipes at your Proddie brothers and sisters. It's your Lent low-fat, vegetarian and meat-free diet talking. Imagine my plight: A week without scotch or Czech ales, sentenced to swallow dreadfully plain potato vodka, horrible slivovitz and a tea-colored rubbing alcohol marketed as brandy.

Chag sameach to you and yours, Hannah! Indeed,chametz has been eaten or sold, well, mostly eaten by me to restore the pounds I lost during three consecutive bouts of the Norwalk flu while driving in the North and trying to hold down a few crackers and some soda water. Looking forward to the two kinds of brisket and my version of Peking Duck with yams I'm slow-roasting as we speak. After plonking down 140 bucks per hunk of glatt kosher brisket the other day, I meandered down the supermarket meat isle and noticed a sale on glazed Virginia hams... more than twice the size of my briskets and at no more than 50 bucks a pop. Sliced and dressed the right way, they'd look like fancy turkey breast beside the kee'ara plate and the basket of shmurah matza.. .

25 March 2013 at 13:59  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ James Reade (13:11)—If you take the view that a country is no more than an economic unit that must perpetually source the world’s cheapest and most industrious workers, it makes perfect sense to dismantle all immigration controls.

On the other hand, if you believe that a country is first and foremost the homeland of its people, you put in place whatever measures are needed to protect the people, and I’d argue that a country that puts its own people first is a better place to live, and not just economically but socially; you may be familiar with the study conducted by Robert Putnam in the United States that demonstrated the deleterious effect of diversity on social cohesion.

But I see that you are turning a worrying shade of aubergine at the thought of a white homeland for a white people and, concerned for your blood pressure, I bring my remarks to a close.

25 March 2013 at 14:41  
Blogger IanCad said...


The things you learn on this blog!
And I always thought duck was unclean.
Getting hungry.

25 March 2013 at 15:00  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Oh yes, Ian,and pigeon, quail, goose,turkey and of course chicken too. I imagine the Dodo bird, a pigeon family member methinks, would've made it to the Passover table too had it managed to stay long enough out of trouble to gain rabbinic approval. Goose is far better, though, but fairly rare and crazy expensive at the kosher butcher's.

25 March 2013 at 16:15  
Blogger Harry-ca-Nab said...

I wholeheartedly agree with His Grace (there you go - he has earnt my respect on this one).

I heard the Bishop of Dudley spouting on R4 a coupld of days ago.

He stated that the Social Housing crisis was not caused by immigration but by "not enough houses". It seems inconceivable to him that the millions allowed into the UK during Labours reign could have had ANY effect upon the housing demand.

He obviously feels that we should have completely open doors and then build swathes of housing across an already overcrowded land.

What galls me most however when listening to all these people is that they express concerns about immigrants rights and the need for multiculturalism, the relations with the countries these people vacate and the globalised nature of the world.

And yet they NEVER express concerns for the indigenous British people who might, just might, feel that they are losing their country, their culture and their way of life as they are overwhelmed not only in numbers but by differing cultures, religions and peoples who do not/will not integrate.

They may also object just a little to having to pay for all of this.

It seems that to people like the Bishop everyone but the British matter in this country.

25 March 2013 at 16:35  
Blogger IanCad said...

Thanks for that Avi,

I assumed a duck was just a small swan.
Of course, I failed to apply the same reasoning to the goose.
With all the parks in your neck of the woods infested with geese I'm surprised they're so expensive.
You are giving Dodo ideas.
HG will be on the lookout for any new avian posters.

25 March 2013 at 17:04  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

That's the weird bit, Ian, flocks of Canada Geese under foot everywhere, allover Toronto, even in the winter, and folks must drive for hours to get to some lake and freeze for hours hidden under camo netting hoping for a shot of the suddenly elusive avian. I've heard their meat is tough and gamey,though. I was thinking more of the white, domesticated European variant of the species. Works well on a bed of roughly chopped home sauerkraut,the way the Hungarians make it, with the succulent fat draining nicely into the cabbage.

Hush! We must propitiate the ghosts of our absent friends, like Dodo, English Viking and Oswin, lest we displease them enough to blight our crops and sour our milk.

25 March 2013 at 17:33  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

An absolutely superb post Archbishop. You are on a par with Farage, Sir. Perhaps an honorary virtual chaplaincy for UKIP would be in order. One expects extracts from today’s missal will be bandied around the House, as well as the Church.

Interestingly, Jesus spent much of his time impressing upon the Judeans that he was not there to rid them of an earlier EU people who weren’t wanted, to wit, the Romans. Put up with them for the time being was his message. Whether or not he knew those very Roman’s would throw the Jews out of their land within a 100 years is a mute point. It wouldn’t have helped the Jews to have known, and it wouldn’t have made Christ’s peaceful mission any easier, now would it ?

Similarly, it wouldn’t help the 1,000,000 young in this country without work if they knew that forevermore, their wage rates will be undercut by hot bedding Romanians and Bulgarians twelve to a house, to name but two of the envious races out to plunder us. It wouldn’t help them to know they can forget about the kind of standard of living their parents and grand parents enjoyed and, naturally, hoped to pass down to them.

So the wealth of this country, as embodied in our public services, free at the point of demand, and importantly PAID for by us, is to be picked clean by the human locusts of a voracious Europe. How on earth are we going to do the same for the Turks when they join, there’ll be little left ! Hardly worth them coming over too, but one imagines come they will…

Vote UKIP now and UKIP the next time and UKIP the time after that. And when we finally get out of this beggars banquet of an EU, keep voting UKIP until you breath your last, and if you are really lucky, this country will still be around for your descendants to thrive in in the future…

25 March 2013 at 18:02  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

There’s a Western Union set-up this man regularly walks past in Gloucester. For the uninitiated, it’s a safe way for our immigrants to send their hard earned benefit money home. Like damn leaf cutter ants, so they are. One had to work jolly hard for that cash which was taken from him in tax, which the lefties tell him is now rightfully ( ! ) some cunning foreigner’s as it ends up God knows where in his earthly creation…

Bloody disgraceful goings on, what !

One feels he’s been sucked…

25 March 2013 at 18:02  
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25 March 2013 at 18:04  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Hear Hear Julia 12:54

This +Dudley fellow sounds an utter arse. A well kept arse, mind. Can afford to be liberal with other people’s cash when a smaller proportion of it comes out of his well appointed pocket, and also with accommodation, when those on-the-take tourist humans aren’t living in the place he and his family want to be…

Some us have had to work hard for what we have, Dudley, not been given it !!

By the way, what we have with James Reade is typical of the International Socialists and their fellow travellers. You see, the whole idea of socialist thinking is that it is to be imposed on the people. It certainly isn’t there to be discussed by them. All the necessary discussions happened in the Kommissar’s committee rooms some time back. So, when a rather big flaw in the plan emerges, like where a few million Bulgarians or Romanians are going to live, they start to sweat somewhat as it will spotlight the bastards’ own ineptitude.

Then again, this man may have James Reade wrong, especially as he mentions red tape. Perhaps he is a self serving greedy capitalist, who would dispense with his local workforce to get the job done at half the price. A man who treats labour in the same casual and disinterested manner as an importer of beef sides, who really doesn’t care a jot if they are interlaced with horse meat.

Quite an interesting and unusual situation. We know Reade’s opinion is as much use as +Dudley’s, but we don’t know where he’s coming from !

25 March 2013 at 18:04  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

HI Avi,

Yum, yum. I think we are also going to have slowed cooked beef and possibly lamb. I don't really eat duck myself though, as I'd much rather feed them in the park than eat them. Don't mind grouse or pheasant though, if it is Kosher..

25 March 2013 at 18:04  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Avi. Dietary laws continue to mystify this man, even though as an RC boy, he was obliged to eat fish on a Friday years back. Never asked my father this but I know his answer to the word.

“In depression hungry Ireland of the 1930s, did you eat fish on a Friday”

“If we could get it”

25 March 2013 at 18:10  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Re, the post on immigration.

Well I'm the daughter of an immigrant, so no problem with 'the foreigner' as such, but I do feel that no country can just allow anyone and everyone into its borders.

This is the problem with the EU, because it allows anyone to come here and claim benefits and stuff, without any kind of requirement for Reciprocal 'giving' to the new country.

There has to be a trade off between keeping one's culture/religion and being able to learn the mother tongue. I know Hebrew, but also English, am comfortable with being Jewish, but also deeply proud to be a British subject.

I think we might have 800,000 Greek Cypriots coming here soon. Not that I mind as the Greeks are cool and very British and educated. Perhaps Cyprus should join the UK instead ?

25 March 2013 at 18:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


A feast awaits and Avi need not worry, we are using the old fashioned version of the Haggadah.

The afikomen has been hidden and as usual a 1 ounce fine gold Krugerrand to the first person who finds it!

25 March 2013 at 18:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also to take up the themes here :

1. When even the Russian complain of European/German Socialism it is plain for all to see that the situation is dire. The Germans clearly have no worry about telling everyone else that their private property should be thieved! Bolshevism run mad! This won't end well for Germany, who is intent upon creating a new German dominated Europe. Why did we fight two world wars to stop this, now that Germany is dominating /bullying/controlling/dictating to Europe by other means? I fear for our Greek Cypriot friends and condemn the confiscation of their wealth- blasted socialism!

2. The immigration problem, wouldn't be a problem if the British Empire was reformed. Now I am no racialist, but the whole show has gone down since we were forced to leave our Empire! Better a new Commonwealth, as a confederation of states, with the older Dominions and Britain providing investment and peace, to the areas that need it. Then we wouldn't have the tribal warfare, slaughter and poverty which exists now and the subsequent mass immigration to welfare UK. Let us invest in the poor countries, trade with them and let them grow. Everyone benefits and people wouldn't need to come here seeking welfare as those countries would have jobs, food, education etc.

25 March 2013 at 18:49  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

One feels he going to incur the wrath of minor CoE bishops now, but he’s going to say it anyway. The best place for young Poles, Bulgars, and whatever the Romanians call themselves is Poland, Bulgaria and Romania. Is not the life blood of a country their young !

It just goes to show what a vicious beast the EU is. Instead of building up these states infrastructure, it wants to lay them waste. And for what, to take the jobs our own benefit surfers won’t do. Time to get the stick out to beat our idle own kind, what !

25 March 2013 at 19:13  
Blogger bluedog said...

Your Grace, your communicant is always suspicious of bearded Anglican prelates, and the Bishop of Dudley confirms his distaste.

Regarding immigration, slowing it down or stopping it is only part of the problem.

One can see a need for a completely new policy approach - the compulsory self-deportation allowance. So much cheaper than erecting acres of state-financed Barrett homes in which the huddled masses can wax on their welfare benefits.

The financial benefits of this initiative are clear. The self-deportation allowance is a one-off charge to the Exchequer, whereas welfare benefits are a self-compounding perpetual liability that has already overwhelmed the British tax-base and only threatens to get worse.

25 March 2013 at 20:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one actually seems to know the amount of immigrants within the UK (illegal or otherwise )but it seems with areas of the EU collapsing into chaos and extreme poverty the UK must seem like a good bet whilst the Pound holds out.
It seems radically wrong that those who have paid nothing into the system should be able to draw out the money that others have paid in over the years.
Call me cynical but Dave seems to make 'all the right noises' but then find the need for a 'U turn' when his masters in the EU demand it.
We in the UK could easily manage our finances if we stopped pouring money into the EU.The UK contributes much more than it receives from the EU about 4.7 billion euros is the figure estimated.There are considerable amount of people living on the poverty level in the Uk already. There are 3.6 million children living in poverty in the UK today. That’s 27 per cent of children, or more than one in four.The 'system' will only stand so much then it will collapse this is a plain fact which many will not want to acknowledge for fear of breaching political correctness regulations regarding whatever' ******crime' that comes under but facts must be faced.
Slightly off thread but I am beginning to suspect that Governments actually welcome crisis because this gives them the ability to..'take measures' to control the 'crisis'which always seem to amount to loss of freedom for the individual this seems to be an ongoing process with freedom being reduced by increments and when you look back to where we once stood it is quite astonishing how our liberties have been drastically reduced.

26 March 2013 at 00:25  
Blogger Peter Damian said...

I rather think this particualar Bishop would do well to sit quietly in the boat and leave calming the tempest to those who know best and are correctly focussed.

To diminish the meaning of Our Lord's sacrifice by comparing its circumstances to political disagreements, is very, very bad Gospel telling and even worse theology.

26 March 2013 at 00:35  
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26 March 2013 at 09:20  
Blogger Manfarang said...

I suppose the Russian immigrant pictured on the front page of the Mail found the prospect of having his benefits cut too much to bear.

26 March 2013 at 17:11  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

From the local rag. We seem to have quite a problem with deranged immigrants here. Of course, thanks to the EU, there is nothing to stop other countries excrement from joining us now. Below that, typical of the “I want everything that’s coming my way” type here now. (You won’t find many property landlords who are members of UKIP, no doubt). Apparently, it still costs us to have these people here even when you take into account any tax they pay – marvellous ! Ele is probably on her own. If she had a child, we’d know about it, don’t you worry about that. This man does appreciate that being single on a low income is difficult, but once you bring a child into the equation, welcome to the benefits ride proper. Ele knows it too, and perhaps dreams of a nice semi. Much like English couples used to, before all they were offered was a waiting list. So, plenty of clues why the UK is one of the top destinations. It must be like being ‘born again’ when these rascals realise the extent of what there is to be skimmed off from Johnny UK Tax Payer.

Let’s hope lesson one of Ele’s Polish-English course is not entitled “At the DSS”, what !


DRUG-CRAZED attacker Peter Pavlisin should be deported before the end of his jail sentence, according to Gloucester's MP.Richard Graham has urged his parliamentary neighbour and Immigration Minister Mark Harper to throw the Slovakian out of the country as he is a danger to the public.Pavlisin, 23, of Painswick Road, Gloucester, attacked his pregnant girlfriend with an industrial disc cutter during a police siege of his house. He was high on the drug PIKO – popular in his native Slovakia.

In his letter to Forest of Dean MP Mr Harper, Mr Graham wrote: "We simply cannot allow any foreigner, of whatever nationality, to attack others in the way that Mr Pavlisin has done so many times in his time as a guest of this country.


Ele Pawlowska (…nothing to do with the Euro hero above…), 37, who moved to Gloucester from a village near Rzeszow in Poland three years ago, hit out at the PMs plans.

"Polish people want to work and if we are paying tax then why not get free healthcare or help with housing like everybody else?" she said. "I have tried to get help with my housing costs since I moved here and it has been very difficult. I am bringing skills to Gloucester, teaching English and Polish, but it is very hard to make a living."

26 March 2013 at 17:23  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Where were you born?

27 March 2013 at 02:15  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

When Dudley was asked by an interviewer whether he favoured the total abandonment of all border controls he blustered and changed tack.

If he thinks there is a Gospel imperative to accept anyone who comes here he should be consistent and ask for the government to send a Cunard fleet to Somalia, Bangladesh etc and 'compel them to come in'.

As for Cameron, surely there cannot be a single thinking person in Britain who doesn't see through this blatant and desperate attempt to shoot UKIP's fox

The only answer is a 'no means no' dead halt and that included sob stories and arranged marriages.

27 March 2013 at 07:31  
Blogger Fantana said...

Looking at the immigration figures it would seem that 'only' about 30% are from the European Union, from which (allegedly) we have little,if any, immigration control. Perhaps we might consider the larger 70%.

27 March 2013 at 08:39  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Manfarang. 02:15

England and to foreign stock, is your answer. At a time when one’s immigrant parents made their way in this country without a basket load of goodies laid at their feet. If you didn’t have it, you did without. Just like the English. What you didn’t do was go around to anyone who would listen and cry out about your ‘rights’ whatever they were / are. One is always suspicious about ‘rights’ that actually come out of other peoples pockets.

From a property landlord’s point of view at that time, if prospective tenants couldn’t pay the rent, he had 3 choices. Find some one who could. Lower his rent or leave the property empty. To think that today there is a fourth choice. Keep the rent high and get a combination of tenant and tax payer to pay it is an absolute damn disgrace !

We know the free market is the way forward, so why doesn’t that apply to rented accommodation kept artificially high !!!!

27 March 2013 at 19:08  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

70% eh ? Here’s how it’s done. Again, from the local rag…

You’ll see an ‘assumption’ was made about this Jamaican. The Home Office no doubt made it while laughing up its own sleeve…


JAMAICAN mum Yolande O'Connor has been jailed for 12 months after living illegally in the UK for ten years.

The 38-year-old had a forged Home Office stamp in her passport, Gloucester Crown Court heard.

She will be deported at the end of her sentence.

She claimed she had paid a lawyer in Brixton, London, to apply to the Home Office for leave to stay and she believed it was all above board. Christopher Smythe, prosecuting, said O'Connor entered the UK in December 2001 as a visitor with leave to stay a month. Several extensions were granted giving her leave to stay until 2003. Home Office records showed that no further applications were submitted by O'Connor – and it was assumed she had left the country.

27 March 2013 at 19:11  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

I hear you Inspector. Our dietary laws continue to mystify this man too. Adopting them in late adolescence was hard and cleaving to them, especially when far from home, is a battle. As a rationalist in the Orthodox spectrum and a self-assumed cultural materialist in the secular sphere, I tend to default to the basics for my rationales. Thus, kashrut is for me a commandment,an unbroken tradition and along with the Sabbath, it keeps Jewish those of us who keep it. My more learned and spiritual brethren would pile you with many more reasons, but for me these suffice.

28 March 2013 at 03:18  

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