Saturday, April 20, 2013

Bishop Pete of Willesden and the arrogant 'Tory Right'

This week His Grace tried to 'follow' the Rt Rev'd Pete Broadbent, Bishop of Willesden, on Twitter, only to discover that he had been blocked.

On enquiring politely as to the reason, His Grace was told that he was blocked 'years ago for (his) arrogance in taking the name of our greatest ever Archbishop for party political purposes'.

This came as something of a surprise.

Not least because Bishop Pete is a reportedly a card-carrying member of the Labour Party, as well as being a rather vociferous republican, and isn't entirely averse to using his position within the Church of England to advance his own party political purposes.

And neither is His Grace opposed to Bishop Pete doing so.

Even when, as Martin Sewell pointed out, he appropriates the name of Spurs for his own religio-political ends.

Bishop Pete's riposte was that 'Thomas Cranmer belongs to all Reformed Catholics and evangelicals, and shaped the CofE for good'.

His Grace has no problem with that: he agrees with Bishop Pete that the Church of England transcends party politics. But what is wrong with a bishop advocating a particular political worldview? Doesn't Bishop Pete effectively do that? Does the name of Spurs belong only to lefty Anglicans?

Bishop Pete is apparently all in favour of people of faith engaging in the political process, but his objection to His Grace is that his 'Tory Right approach is it's OK for Church to be in politics, provided it's their politics'.

His Grace has never, ever articulated any such thing: he is very much in favour of Socialist Christians and Liberal Democrat Christians and UKIP Christians and Green Christians and Communist Christians and BNP Christians and Monster Raving Loony Christians - provided that their religious beliefs and political praxes may be scrutinised, challenged and robustly debated. It is not a sin to remonstrate in church in order to discover a deeper political truth.

But Bishop Pete is of the view that His Grace believes 'it's OK for Church to be in politics, provided it's (his) politics'.

And he is blocked.

Which is a shame, because His Grace enjoys good-humoured and very congenial relations with other prominent lefty clerics, namely south-London priest Giles Fraser; the Bishop of Buckingham Alan Wilson; and the Bishop of Bradford Nick Baines. And he is permitted to follow dozens of bishops and archbishops with whom he has never exchanged a word.

But not Bishop Pete.


His Grace is going to ponder this matter very carefully, and go silent for a few days.. or weeks.. or permanently. For he never intended to besmirch the sacred memory of 'our greatest ever Archbishop'. Indeed, he is of the view that some of the thousands upon thousands (indeed two million) people who have read this blog since its inception seven years ago may have been inspired to discover more about the complex life and nuanced beliefs of the man; or to consider Anglican moral theology a little more deeply; or to reflect upon the murky and muddled Erastian doctrine of the supremacy of the state in ecclesiastical causes; or to have heard the gospel of salvation for the first time and learned a little bit more about Jesus.

But if all he has conveyed over these years is that the 'Tory Right approach is it's OK for Church to be in politics, provided it's their politics', then something has gone wrong. Not least because His Grace is ever so slightly more Whig than Tory.

And he has grievously offended a gracious bishop of the Church of England, and he didn't even know that he had done so.

Please bear with His Grace while he meditates and prays.


Blogger Alan Douglas said...

Although not particularly a Christian, I VALUE you for the moral and ethical stance with which you illuminate the debate on everything you choose to write about. Please do not meditate too long.

Alan Douglas

20 April 2013 at 08:17  
Blogger Martin said...

I'm afraid the Left reject the right of all others to have opinions or voice views. Nothing new here.

20 April 2013 at 08:42  
Blogger Sister Tiberia said...

All right, this is a tongue-in-cheek comment, but I hope you will also see the truth in it.

This sort of blind assumption that a high cleric of your faith MUST be correct is something I'd expect of certain Roman Catholics, but not of you. (No, this is not an attack at any RC on this blog, who have displayed a wide range of views, and have in general argued their corners with courtesy and intelligence. There are other blogs out there where this is not the case...) :)

Last thing I heard, infallibility was not claimed by any members of the Church of England.

And I really do not think that anyone who is thinking straight would say that the blog displays - quote - 'Tory Right approach is it's OK for Church to be in politics, provided it's their politics' given the huge range of topics and views here.

May I suggest that the good Bishop of Willesden was expressing an opinion - his opinion - no greater and no lesser than the opinion of any other man. On what basis do you set the opinion of one man so high, no matter who he is, that you consider he has the right to censor you in such a manner?

God bless.

20 April 2013 at 09:07  
Blogger William said...

It would appear that the good Bishop has allowed his left-wing inclinations to try to muzzle right-wing apologetics precedence over his Anglican inclinations to try to explore a middle way.

20 April 2013 at 09:27  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

So what? - ignore him and carry on regardless.

20 April 2013 at 10:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bishop "Pete"? I'm a little worried that your friend is misusing the name of our greatest ever Pope.

20 April 2013 at 10:03  
Blogger Paris Wasp said...

As a long time reader who has never posted before I feel moved to do so now. Being a committed Catholic who, along with my siblings, was brought up in the Catholic faith by mother was a committed Anglican I have always found His Grace thought provoking even when I have not agreed with him. There are many things I do agree with His Grace on and where I disagree I still read the post carefully and move on as we cannot all agree on everything.

Unfortunately I have found in life that many people, including the Bishop of Willesden it seems, who believe that "if you are not with me you are against me" and have closed minds; a sad thing for a 'man of God' especially a Bishop. I was always taught that a closed mind is a sign of a closed heart devoid of compassion which leads to bitterness.

Good luck with your meditation and prayers and suggest you ask God to open the Bishops mind and heart so he can lead his See in Gods ways.

20 April 2013 at 10:48  
Blogger Albert said...

But what is wrong with a bishop advocating a particular political worldview? Doesn't Bishop Pete effectively do that?

That's not really attending to his complaint is it? His complaint is not about bishops advocating politics, but about your hijacking another bishop (one who he thinks belongs to all Reformed Catholics and evangelicals, and shaped the CofE for good).

I think he has a point here. The idea that Cranmer, is transported through time would immediately join the present Tory party is rather a stretch.

You could of course argue that Bishop Pete is simply having a sense of humour failure. But I rather suspect that banning you for that reason is an example of his sense of humour.

I think it's quite funny myself.

20 April 2013 at 11:17  
Blogger David B said...

@ Martin, who said

"I'm afraid the Left reject the right of all others to have opinions or voice views. Nothing new here."

Utter nonsense, man.

There is much I, a left of centre liberal, value in Cranmer, in particular his commitment to free speech, even when he uses his to propound what I think wrong.

Your stereotyping above is either dishonest or idiotic, bearing in mind that the two are not logically mutually exclusive.

Bishop Pete seems a bit of a jerk, leftist or nay.


20 April 2013 at 11:42  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Why anyone wants to follow another person’s tiny specs of their thoughts beats me. I can't quite grasp this twitter thing yet.
However, we see through a glass darkly and in Bishop Pete's case, it's with blinkers as well so that he can pretend there is not another view than his own.
It is rather pathetic that he should claim that our Cranmer does not reflect his perception of the original. Oh dear, is someone having a view different to the Bishops?

20 April 2013 at 11:47  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

The problem is that the Bishop is right

Helping the poor in their suffering, is mentioned time and time and time again the Bible.

The current Torys are not helping the poor just pretending to help but at the same time finding ways of taking what little they have away from them.

This is even more true of the Conservative Doners. Why else contribute but to make it easier to exploit/remain rich?

The poor have always been exploited by the rich and the little that they have is often constantly taken away from them. (Just as the Bible says)

That is why stories of poor boy makes good are so unusual. The Labour party to it credit has tried to reverse this trend. Before you moan about benefits etc, at least they have tried.

Would Cranmer be a Conservative today or like me a non voter?


20 April 2013 at 12:42  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

It would be easy to dismiss the silly suffragan as a left wing fart, but he does have a point. So that makes him a left wing fart with a point. Nothing more though...

Anyway chaps, time for a fellows Saturday constitutional to the “Mouse and Wheel”.

Being seeing you...

20 April 2013 at 13:19  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Goodness! I really dislike this modern tendency to use shortened and familiar forms - 'Sir Bob' for example, and 'Bishop Pete' - it just doesn't work for me. But then, what's in a name? I am at a loss to understand how a republican bishop in the Church of England can sign up to the 39 Articles and acknowledge HMQ as Supreme Governor - but my little grey cells are not what they were. Then again, I suppose Bishop Gobel of Paris managed to get his head around such matters, though he of course was no Anglican. If you ask me (and you didn't) the episcopal bench began sliding down the slippery slope (not THAT Slope) when they stopped wearing gaiters.

20 April 2013 at 14:22  
Blogger Thomas Keningley said...

Seems rather silly to me. It's well known to be a pseudonym, and I don't think you claim that what you say is what Cranmer himself would have said in every case. It's not an appropriation of anything.

Some of our wonderful bishops should probably reflect on their own sense of proportion.

20 April 2013 at 14:26  
Blogger UKViewer said...

I'm surprised that His Grace would consider whether or not to continue with his blog due to a difference of opinion with anyone, even Bishop Pete

I thought that His Grace was more robust than that? But, perhaps there is something that His Grace is not saying - might he be just a tad tired of doing what he is doing?

The Church Mouse gave up twitter and blogging a few months ago, for very similar reasons. And sorely missed he is to, just as His Grace will be if he desists from continuing with this blog.

20 April 2013 at 14:34  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

YG, I wouldn't be too perturbed. After all, one is known by the company one keeps. And it seems to me that Bishop Pete of Willesden is an embedded socialist. If the CofE was determined to bring people back to Jesus Christ then it would be ridding the Church of people such as he. Bishop Pete - does he really expect people to call him that? Does he also play the acoustic guitar and ask people to clap along to his musical offerings? What's Bishop Pete's view on Israel? Or for that matter Lady Thatcher? I suppose as a crypto he's agin both.

20 April 2013 at 15:11  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Do you not see that Leftist Christian is an oxymoron, as is Communist Christian? You really cannot be either Leftist (wanting to steal from the productive to give to the unproductive) nor Communist and still correctly call yourself a Christian.

20 April 2013 at 15:16  
Blogger Ian G said...

Why do I get the feeling that a thorough and comprehensive riposte is being prepared? I hope and pray that this feeling is correct.

20 April 2013 at 15:23  
Blogger non mouse said...

But, Your Grace ---whatever makes this Pete person think that the so-called Tories are 'Right'? Has he not heard the 3-headed monster roar? Or does he think it's just purring like a nice pussy-cat?

Perhaps the poor soul should have his hearing checked via the national ... er, service. Sensory incapacity could also explain his unawareness of Your Grace's linguistic genius (throughout the ages).

20 April 2013 at 16:18  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

The wanderer returns, and is none the worse for drink, he’ll have you know...{HIC!}...

It was only while resting at the Mouse did the full implication of His Grace’s post strike home.

“His Grace is going to ponder this matter very carefully, and go silent for a few days.. or weeks.. or permanently”

Let the Inspector be the first to suggest the Archbishop take a break. Not for upsetting bishop what's his name, but as reward for his sterling work over the years. By all means give the hand by which you blog a rest, but you must first withdraw your implied notice to quit. We just can’t afford to lose you, old chap.

In the meantime, we have Ivo, but maybe there are other tired right thinking Christian bloggers out there who might come on board. A merger of interests and a sharing of the burden, what !

We’ve laughed together, growled together, cried together. Let it not end like this. (Used that one on the former lady friend last year; could have saved my breath as it happened...)

20 April 2013 at 17:12  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Archbishop Cranmer

The question you should ask yourself is this. Would the Bishop have blocked you if your political opinions had been more conducive to his? This isn't about expropriation of the visage of the original Archbishop. It's a petty snit at the suggestion that a huge figure in the CoE might not agree with his politics. The proper reaction is to ignore the good bishop. An opinion only carries as much weight as the respect you hold for the giver of the opinion. If you would meditate on something, then meditate on why you think this bishop deserves such respect from you. His opinions simply aren't important enough to matter - bishop or not.


20 April 2013 at 17:44  
Blogger Peter D said...


If these are your aims:

- to inspire others to discover more about the complex life and nuanced beliefs of Archbishop Cranmer;

- to consider Anglican moral theology a little more deeply;

- to reflect upon the murky and muddled Erastian doctrine of the supremacy of the state in ecclesiastical causes; and

- to have heard the gospel of salvation for the first time and learned a little bit more about Jesus.

Then success or failure in these areas is the only basis for your decision - not the opinion of said Pete.

These words of Dante are worth reflecting on:

"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of great moral crises maintain their neutrality."

20 April 2013 at 18:44  
Blogger Ian G said...

Perhaps Your Grace should consider this:

Do you feel battered, bruised, manipulated, wronged and devastated? Then you have been bludgeoned by the Enemy. Seek healing and return to the fray.
Do you feel convicted, cut to the heart, burdened with a guilt that can only be purged at the Cross? Then you have been cut by the Word of God and convinced by the Holy Spirit.
I'm betting on the former.

The Enemy can only destroy. God cuts only to bind up and heal.

The Enemy will hit us with lies that if they were true would be utterly destructive of our Christian witness and ministry. He will twist, distort, bend, misrepresent, suppress the truth and suggest a falsehood. Moreover, he will use those we thought were our brothers and sisters in Christ.

All this is persecution and the Cross. The servant is not greater than His Master.

The Enemy will tell you that you have wilfully and/or thoughtlessly given offence. He will not tell you that he has deliberately, and with malice aforethought, taken offence.

20 April 2013 at 19:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I first became a Christian I was told I must expect persecution.
I always though that this would come through the secular World.It didn`t it came from right within the church. My family was split up and now ten years later things still haven`t been restored to their original order.
Anyone trying to advance the cause of the gospel will suffer attack but it is the attacks from those whom we least expect it that hurts the most.But we must not give up, the Gospel must be preached to a dying World despite whatever comes against us,
' Therefore, since through God’s mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,”[a] made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us. We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed. We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body. For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body. So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.(2Corinthians)

20 April 2013 at 20:11  
Blogger Brother Ivo said...

Many liberal theologians believe that the Gospel of John is not directly written by the beloved Disciple but rather by a Johannine community which saw fit to appropriate the Disciple's name.

Brother Ivo does not recall Bishop Pete refusing to preach or teach from a source which many of his liberal colleagues
would say derived its authority from such a "deception".

" By their fruits ye shall know them." Not by the name attached to the tree.

20 April 2013 at 21:15  
Blogger Brother Ivo said...

Many liberal theologians believe that the Gospel of John is not directly written by the beloved Disciple but rather by a Johannine community which saw fit to appropriate the Disciple's name.

Brother Ivo does not recall Bishop Pete refusing to preach or teach from a source which many of his liberal colleagues
would say derived its authority from such a "deception".

" By their fruits ye shall know them." Not by the name attached to the tree.

20 April 2013 at 21:31  
Blogger Brother Ivo said...


Can we surmise @Petespurs boycotts Marks and Spencer's underpants?

20 April 2013 at 21:32  
Blogger Shacklefree said...

Phil Roberts said "The Labour party to it credit has tried to reverse this trend".

Yes, like Tony Blair earining vast amounts on speaking plus getting a job from the boys when he left office plus a very lucrative pension for life as an ex PM. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Jack Jones receiving backhanders from Moscow. All these socialist movements offer are some inducements like a job for life in communist Russia while at the same time enslaving their own people in Gulags. Here the socialists promise a better future for the poor and then bring in statutory provisions such as Councils using taxpayers money to allow pregnant girls to jump the housing ladder instead of continuing to live with their parents. Socialism causes division. It spouts platitudes doesn't improve conditions and impoverishes its own people but it shouts pretty loud about how they are supporting the poor. Just compare the lives of normal people under Stalin or Kruschev with the lives of their comntemporaries in the West. The fundamental aim of socialism is to bring down the West as articulated by the Frankfurt School.

Apart from that, I think you do a good job Your Grace. Hang in there.

20 April 2013 at 21:56  
Blogger Pete Broadbent said...

Well, I unblocked you as soon as you asked - nearly a week ago. And I'm happy to accept that you weren't being malign in taking Cranmer's name. And I am a great fan of Cranmer, Jewel and Hooker, whose writings are at the kernel of the Reformation Settlement in the CofE. So, let's continue in unblocked dialogue and debate about the CofE, its vicissitudes and stupidities.

20 April 2013 at 23:02  
Blogger Mark In Mayenne said...

Keep going, bish.

20 April 2013 at 23:18  
Blogger Julia Gasper said...

Well there we are, a happy ending. Public protest, exposure, outrage and outcry do sometimes work.

20 April 2013 at 23:42  
Blogger OldJim said...

Unless he was YOUR bishop, Your Grace, I don't see how a scruple could possibly arise.

You are writing about matters pertaining to the faith and not merely secular ones, and so some level of respect for and assent to the judgments of those put in authority over you is advisable and even often admirable.

But there is a difference between "I don't like the literary device you have adopted in conveying your message" and "Your message is essentially contrary to the substance of the Christian Faith"; just as there is a difference between the judgment being rendered by, say, the archbishop of Marseilles and by the bishop who has immediate jurisdiction over you.

When it's the former in both cases, the gravity of the criticism is doubly weak.

21 April 2013 at 02:20  
Blogger Tony B said...

Indeed, he is of the view that some of the thousands upon thousands (indeed two million) people who have read this blog since its inception seven years ago may have been inspired to discover more about the complex life and nuanced beliefs of the man; or to consider Anglican moral theology a little more deeply"

I'm quite sure you're right there. Carry on!

21 April 2013 at 08:12  
Blogger Hugues said...

Archbishop Cranmer is a pseudonym, everyone knows this, just like Guido Fawkes or Church Mouse. The Bishop's just being mean and attacking you where he thinks it might hurt, knowing of your deep respect for the C of E.

21 April 2013 at 09:08  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Thank you Pete Broadbent for unblocking HG.

Please do try not to upset him in this manner again. He has a lot of stroppy Catholics to contend with on his blog who challenge Anglicanism constantly and he spends much of his time defending his faith. He has refused wholeheartedly to swim the Tiber despite of being thrown in fully clothed at the deep end refusing the Catholic life raft choosing to struggle back to the Anglican shoreline.Surely you can arrange for him to get extra brownie points for this in Anglican Heaven.

I hope HG continues with his blog. I admire his literary style and love his humour and combative rhetoric particularly when it is directed at torturing Catholics or other inconsequential fun pursuits.

21 April 2013 at 09:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whilst swimming upstream might be considered by some to be' just so much effort'it is considerably more beneficial than letting one be swept downstream by forces beyond our control(fully clothed or not)

21 April 2013 at 10:13  
Blogger bluedog said...

Stick with it, Archbishop Tom, your cyber-communicants really enjoy your blog.

21 April 2013 at 11:19  
Blogger Harry-ca-Nab said...

Fret not.

This is a case of taking offence, rather than giving it.

The Left are good at that but we no longer fall for that old trick.

21 April 2013 at 11:26  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Ah, one sees the rotter Broadbent has turned up (...somebody open a window...)

And we see he’s open to reason. Good show, you, well, rotter...

21 April 2013 at 12:01  
Blogger Peter D said...

Pete Broadbent

Well at least for this afternoon, I am a 'Tottingham' supporter. Fine recovery in the last 15 minutes and basically ditched the usurper Blues.

Well done that team!

Come on you Reds!

21 April 2013 at 15:23  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Idolatry of a football team is such as shameful trait to be found in a protestant bishop, don’t you find Peter D. More so in one who claims to admire Cranmer, Jewel and Hooker...

21 April 2013 at 15:56  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Peter D

Come on you Reds!

Is this Arsenal? Liverpool? They both wear red, don't they?

I watched Arsenal defeat Fulham yesterday, whereupon my younger daughter promptly declared that 'soccer was more interesting than football.' She has since been disinherited.


21 April 2013 at 16:03  
Blogger Peter D said...


I am saying nothing until tomorrow evening at 10pm when all will be revealed.


Idolatory? A healthy ex-curricula activity, I'd say, and no more worthy of criticism than, er, train spotting, old chap.

Aren't Jewel and Hooker new Summer signings being lined up by 'Arry?

21 April 2013 at 17:13  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Your Grace,

Running a public website is undoubtedly a bruising experience. But many recognize that you are providing a useful, valuable platform on which a range of politico-religious views can be aired, debated and explored. This contributes to the health of our injured democracy by allowing Christians, sharing a right of centre persuasion, an appropriate website on which to relate to the issues of the day, as well as each other.
May I respectfully suggest a resting period, perhaps even a virtual retreat, before emerging again to provide your ministry of facilitating public debate at the interface of faith and politics?

21 April 2013 at 19:39  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...


I'm not saying the Labour party are Angels

Don't forget I do not vote

You can do a simiar rant for the conservatives etc.

All I said was that the Labour party has tried to relive the suffering of the poor

THe conservatives are not interested


21 April 2013 at 19:47  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Phil. Good news for you. The ‘poor’ no longer exist, and those who think they are poor are better off than this man. Today in the UK, poor means struggling to find £ 40 a month for a sky package...

21 April 2013 at 20:01  
Blogger Man in a Shed said...

I'm not sure any active Bishop should be a member of any political party during their time in office. The should instead think of their pastoral duty to all the people under their charge, and the betrayal of that duty that party political membership entails.

+Willesden needs to look to the plank in his own eye.

21 April 2013 at 20:29  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

That’s the spirit that Shed Dweller. Bishop whomever is too much a man of the world for one’s liking. Render unto Caesar that cleric. You know the rest...

21 April 2013 at 20:43  
Blogger John Watchman said...

Don't listen to this modern Pharisee, Your Grace!! These men enjoy the best seats, they bind heavy burdens on men's backs- burdens of political correctness and acceptance of sin.

The very words: that Cranmer "belongs to all Reformed Catholics and evangelicals" speaks volumes. I assume he is the former and the latter he has added for diplomacy-why not say all Protestants??

No one is in any doubt- Your Grace's persona is a helpful pseudonym- nothing more.

To lose Your Grace would be to lose a valuable contribution to public discourse. If all he ever contributed was the publicising of the plightof Aaron Beiber or the case of Dr. Kermit Gosnell- he would have had done our public life a great service.

21 April 2013 at 22:09  
Blogger Peter D said...

If I may say so, I think our Archbishop has thicker skin than many are giving him credit for and, I suspect, there was a slight touch of irony in his post.

21 April 2013 at 23:27  
Blogger Flossie said...

I despise leftie politicians who make free with other people's money to make themselves look good and generous, caring and compassionate, then to compound the felony they are spiteful about people who oppose these actions.

This applies too to their supporters. One only has to read the Guardian comments to see that it is true.

And now one of them has offended His Grace, the goodest and best of people. Pah!

22 April 2013 at 06:35  
Blogger bradypus said...

while it is true that politically I think that Your Grace is "2 miles to the right of Genghis Khan" I find your religious postings thought provoking and helpful, whether I agree or not. So despite not being an Anglican,although a church member in another denomination, I hope and pray that Your Grace will emerge from your meditation renewed in mind and spirit and ready for the fray!

22 April 2013 at 08:58  
Blogger Hugh said...

Your Grace,
I see he has recanted and unblocked you.
Nevertheless, he is deserving only of your compassion. As a man educated at Jesus he is appallingly conflicted, please do not forget that he swore to uphold the Crown and the Thirty Nine articles - only to sign up for the labour party, spout republican nonsense and forget his manners when talking of the future king and his now wife.
Please avoid twitter in the future. Your thoughtful essays are the antithesis of that drivel.

22 April 2013 at 09:13  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
If one perchance meets a poor man by the sea, which is the better response? Come my poor chap, here is a thousand pounds. Go spend it have a good time. Or should one say, come, follow me and I will make you a fisherman.

22 April 2013 at 10:39  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Your Grace, as you take time off to hold your right hand over the flames, please consider the fact that in this day and age, when history has been forgotten and cast off in the pursuit of the now, appropriating a name from the glories of the past is one of the surest ways to keep it in the present. Apart from making a shlocky Hollywood flick, that is.

For sooth, Your Grace, you are not alone on this journey, but have your loyal communicants, stable boys, spit turners and even a few servi camerae, not to mention uncounted silent followers to consider as well. Above all, Your Grace, remember your duties to Crown and Country in your meditative deliberations...

22 April 2013 at 13:02  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Goodness! My Lord has just returned from an inter-denominational service at Bevindon, organised by Dr. Spacely-Trellis' chaplain, the Revd. Peter Nordwestdeutscher, and is quite put out. Like My Lord of Willesdon, the chaplain prefers to be called 'Pete' - which is bad enough - but has abandoned his canonicals in favour of a rainbow-coloured burkha with a strategically placed shudders to think. The lesson was read by a Mrs. Dutt-Pauker on the theme of 'Workers of the World join Unite, you have nothing to lose but your shekels' and this preceded an topless African lesbian collective dancing vigorously to 'Nearer my God to thee.' My Lord was agog and didn't know where to put himself. Unfortunately Mr. Slope did,and his case comes before the magistrates Thursday week. My Lord thought he espied Bishop Pete sitting up amongst the gargoyles tweeting like a man imagines services at Willesdon Cathedral (20th century neo-Stalinist with stained glass windows by Tracy Emin) will be a little more lively in future. I shall not be attending.

22 April 2013 at 16:32  
Blogger Jessica Hoff said...

Do you suppose Pete has a sense of humour?

22 April 2013 at 19:37  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...


"Phil. Good news for you. The ‘poor’ no longer exist"

I tend to agree with you. But I was comparing the two parties over the last 100 years.

Who has done the most to try to help the poor?

Misguided at times but the reds have helped the poor more than the blues.

(I'm not sure however if Cameron's boys and girls are reds or blues. Neither probably which is perhaps the worst place to be.. permanently on the fence... helping nobody, getting us more and more into a mess through indecision and watching the polls)


22 April 2013 at 19:48  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Phil. The Inspector is a great one for the socio economic history of this fair Britain. Think you’ll find the greatest achievements made in the area of reform came from the church and chapel types from an age or three away. Thoroughly good solid fellows and nothing like the crypto Marxists that are the Labour party today...

22 April 2013 at 20:00  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

“I say, is that Scotland Yard. Good, wish to report a missing Archbishop. Been gone two days now and not a sight of hide nor hair. No, he hasn’t run off before, well, maybe once or twice, but he always came back when he got hungry. No idea where he’s gone. Ah, he might be making his way to Willesden. Oh Lord, best ring you back old man, need to check if any cutlery’s missing from the kitchen drawer...”

22 April 2013 at 20:06  
Blogger Peter D said...

Championies ... Championies ... Championies ....

Oh, do excuse me!

Championies ... Championies ... Championies ....

22 April 2013 at 20:18  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Good news fellows. Detective Inspector Knacker of the Yard, and Detective Sergeant Compromised assigned to the case. On the Inspector General’s advice, both have drawn revolvers from the police armoury. You see, this fellow can’t guarantee our man will come peacefully when cornered.

Evening all, and mind how you go...

22 April 2013 at 20:22  
Blogger Peter D said...

We're Gonna Win The League

We're gonna win the league (again!)
We're gonna win the league
And now you're gonna believe us,
And now you're gonna believe us,
And now you're gonna believe us...
We're gonna win the league (again!)

22 April 2013 at 20:28  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

“Calling all cars, calling all cars ! Be on the lookout for a cremated Archbishop believed to be making his way to Willesden. Do not approach the individual, but secure the immediate area. It is believed he is armed with a nine millimetre crosier. That is all”

22 April 2013 at 20:39  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

You seem on chipper form tonight Peter D. Can one assume your favoured bunch of hooligans posing as a football team have achieved something that in the great scheme of things is next to worthless ?

22 April 2013 at 21:23  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Have to admit to a grudging respect for the French , as the right there put up a strong showing against the redefinition of marriage. The standard of the debate is way ahead of our inadequate , national unreasoning and non-debate, whilst their protests are most spirited. Hope that they help to bring down Hollande and his atheist cronies. Good luck to the protesters I say !

22 April 2013 at 21:47  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Greetings David Hussell. The Inspector has been following the French SSM nonsense on that wretched Pink News site. Apparently, it’s leading to a rise in far right activity. Serves the buggers right, what !

22 April 2013 at 21:59  
Blogger Peter D said...

And Now We've Won The League Again!

Now we've won the league (again!)
Now we've won the league (again!)
And now you're gonna believe us,
And now you're gonna believe us,
And now you're gonna believe us...
Now we've won the league (again!)

Number 20!

22 April 2013 at 22:04  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

You really are an uncouth disgrace Peter B. One is in no doubt you spend your time watching television in a hostelry in the company of tradesmen...

22 April 2013 at 22:16  
Blogger bluedog said...

Returning to the late Baroness Thatcher, this communicant notes with approval the plans to set up a Margaret Thatcher Centre.

In addition, it appears that even though the less than solid burghers of Grantham are afraid of a monument to Lady Thatcher, others made of sterner stuff are planning a fitting exercise in monumental masonry. Indeed, the sede vacante of the Fourth Plinth has even been mentioned. Now if it is to be the Fourth Plinth, an equestrian statue would appear to be de rigeur, but not quite Margaret. However a recent post by His Grace featuring a cartoon by Nicholas Garland, depicting Britannia, prompted some thoughts.

What if Margaret Thatcher, say circa 1975, were to become Britannia? What if Britannia were to become a Winged Victory? What if the Winged Victory were to command a quadriga (there's one on the Wellington Arch)?

Or perhaps not!

22 April 2013 at 22:25  
Blogger Peter D said...


Were you addressing me, my good man?

22 April 2013 at 22:28  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Greetings Inspector. A point of information, for you. A useful website on which to keep abreast of international news having religious and political components is Anglican Mainstream, wherein lurk a goodly number of Low Church to Evangelical types. Although possibly more plebeian than His Grace's esteemed site, I suspect that you may well prefer its operating assumptions to those of Pink News.

23 April 2013 at 08:20  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

David thank you for supporting the French and mentioning their fight against SSM.I fear all of Europe will topple now . The supporters of the "French Spring" will keep fighting regardless. SSM is not in the French psyche...such a wicked and evil thing to happen in France. I spit on Hollande and send him to hell!

23 April 2013 at 09:35  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Cressida de Nova.

I like your spirit !

23 April 2013 at 09:40  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Sick of looking at that photo! Please do a new post!

23 April 2013 at 10:18  
Blogger Flossie said...

Another day and not so much as a tweet from His Grace. Flossie is very worried. She well remembers that other black period when His Grace went missing for months, and is concerned that he may be suffering from the same affliction.

Prayers are with you, Your Grace. Just bear in mind that 'not knowing' is the worst thing of all, as anyone with a missing loved one will tell you. So do let us know if all is well. I don't think you had a blogging holiday at all last year and I'm sure that nobody would begrudge you this, but we cannot leave you prayerless in a sad condition.

You have seen off far bigger foes than Bishop Pete (who is quite a pussycat really, in spite of that mental condition called the socialist tendency, which he probably can't help) but straws and camel's backs and all that.

23 April 2013 at 10:33  
Blogger Flossie said...

The Explorer, I was just thinking the same thing - every time I peek anxiously into the Cranmer blog I get an eyeful of Bishop Pete's phiz. It needs to go!

23 April 2013 at 10:35  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Flossie, several months? Say it isn't so! Desperate times, desperate measures, as the saying goes. A pre-Israelite, Canaanite sacrifice to appease His Grace's restless ashes with savoury scents? A roasted offering in the form of a former fowl, a certain raucous Championies fanatic who, as we speak, may be unable to offer much in the way of resistance or even a coherent objection owing to his evident participation in last night's Bacchanalia?

23 April 2013 at 13:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no doubt that many in these last days will 'take offence' and this is all 'part and parcel' of the plans of the enemy.

If we can be persuaded to' take offence'for whatever reason we can fall into a snare of the enemy.Satan knows full well what God`s judgement is on those who hold unforgiveness in their heart because this gives him a right to accuse that person before God.

We should be fully aware of the schemes of the enemy and not give him ground for accusation.

23 April 2013 at 13:42  
Blogger Peter D said...

Purple Rain (Artist formerly Known as Avi)

Now see here my good fellow, a pagan offering of this sort will offend a true Christian; shame on thee for such a suggestion.

Besides, the body of said poor fowl has already been wantonly consumed by the rogue Inspector, egged on by the sneaky Ernsty. As I recall, you even confirmed this it was in order for Jews to join in!

23 April 2013 at 14:35  
Blogger Flossie said...

Avi - I hope His Grace will forgive me - but you will see why I am anxious:

23 April 2013 at 15:08  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

You have a point, there, Peter Damian; I did briefly plunge into primitive Animism, due to a unique condition which disabled my higher cognitive functions. You see, the mere mention of soccer, or football as you call it, never mind associated songs or chants, sends me into a red rage, an atavistic reflex from the depth of the limbic or reptillian bit of the brain.

For me the best part of settling in Canada was the total absence of soccer matches and the soccer culture, which I despised as a child in Europe. Alas, those halcyon days ended sometime in the 80s, as for reasons unknown the despiccable sport made its way to the unsullied shores. At first it was a feature of immigrant life, big among Europeans, Latins and Africans, but then it insinuated its way into our school playing fields, corrupting our innocent bairds. Instead of the calm elegance of baseball or the disciplined precision of Canadian or American football, we get little roughians in floppy shorts and worse, the famed "soccer mom," an obese, endlessly snacking and guzzling apparition in a tanktop, seated in a sagging cloth chair, bellowing bits of useless advice and gross obsenities at eight year olds. His Grace's sanctuary was the last place in the universe where even a suggestion of soccer could be found, or so I thought, hence my turbulent reaction.

or football as you call it, sets off uncontrollable atavistic responses

23 April 2013 at 15:11  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Peter D

"Besides, the body of said poor fowl has already been wantonly consumed by the rogue Inspector, egged on by the sneaky Ernsty. As I recall, you even confirmed this it was in order for Jews to join in!" Ernst said no such thing sneakily. Merely that as the silly fowl was determined to commit 'peri peri' on the blog roast we might as well all take a limb and tuck in. Waste not etc.

I do miss the foolish fowl, as the blog has never been the same but he was his own worst enemy and the wound was self basted!


23 April 2013 at 15:24  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

His Grace has not removed or obscured his old post, Flossie, so I doubt there is anything to forgive. I have suspected that HG, like many of us here and in general, people who think a lot and arguably a tad too much, is prone to fits of melancholy and dark nights of the soul. Avi's Rx to all and himself as well: fresh air, long hikes in the hills, vigorous exercise, a simple fare and the company of simple folk. Eventually this regime drives one batty and it's back into the fray.

23 April 2013 at 15:28  
Blogger Peter D said...


Be of good cheer, me old mate. The fowl was warmly welcomed back into Cranmer's fold - a reformed character and fully forgiven.

However, you will have to work out his new identity.

23 April 2013 at 17:11  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Our Master, Archbishop Cranmer, has a transcendent form that writes elsewhere and is observed to have twittered today, congratulating Shakespeare on his 449th Birthday.
All of his communicants here wish that he would reincarnate himself back into reality and stop fooling around as some political joker of the 21st Century.

23 April 2013 at 18:24  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Indeed, Mr Damian spekes the sooth in this instance, Mr Blofeld. Should you are able to obtain directions to the entry where the prodigal fowl arose phoenix-like from the ash dump, you will have yourself a jolly read, I promise thee.

It is an astounding, almost Rabelaisian tale of dark and hot passions, nail-biting drama of clever investigations and harsh inquisitions, subterfuge, betrayals, alignment of allies, synodical conferences in the dark of the night, heart-rending pleas for mercy, shouts of condemnation, bitter tears, the gnashing of teeth...and at last, a cheerful ending wherein a multitude of this blog's players grasped hands, sang a cheerful song and danced a happy jig. IN short, an hour's diversion nearly as good as an episode of Coronation Street, I kid thee not, sir.

23 April 2013 at 18:24  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Goodness! Well another day ends, the ploughman homeward plods his weary way and twilight gathers over Barchester. However, one hears whispers in the cloisters of a new inmate at Hiram's Hospital, admitted only a day or so ago; a troubled soul in need of sanctuary, ashen in countenance and (according to Mr. Bunce) by metamorphosis. Could it be...surely not...but then again...

23 April 2013 at 18:27  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

And as for the face of Bishop Pete that has graced His Grace's blog for almost 40 days and 40 nights, perhaps a slogan?

O Brother is watching you!

(Apologies to Mr. Nimmo, wherever you may be).

23 April 2013 at 18:31  
Blogger Peter D said...

Purple Rain

It may have been entertainment for you. However, let me say it was a difficult and very testing episode for me and, in truth, by the end I was exhausted - delighted but knackered.

Now, dear Sir, football is known as the "beautiful game" for a very good reason. Individual breath taking skill, unexpected acts of sheer brilliance, team cohesion, tactics and strategy and, occasionally, 'Silence of the Lamb's' moments. And, to top it all off, a bloody good sing song and a few pints with one's mates.

Nothing better - other than going to Mass on a Sunday, that is. You must watch it and get to know the trials, tribulations and victories of the players, coaches and managers to fully appreciate it .

23 April 2013 at 18:37  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

YES!!! Mr Integrity hits the jackpot with noticing the Bard's birthday. I've been humiliating myself with ludicrous attempts at faux-Elizabethan to see if anyone utters, "what the heck's the matter with you, boy," providing me with an opportunity to make an announcement. Google made a big deal out of stupid "Earth Day" yesterday, but nary a thought for Will.

But we must loosen the leash on His Grace a bit, Mr integrity. Mustn't crowd his ash. He grows weary of us, but soon will miss our endearing antics, I wager.

23 April 2013 at 18:41  
Blogger Peter D said...

Mrs Proudie of Barchester

Excellent idea. A slogan for the face of Bishop Pete.

My offering:

"Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?"

23 April 2013 at 18:45  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Indeed, Mr Damian, creatures of flight are notorious for their thin skins and irrascible tempers, whereas the incarnation is of sterner stuff and better cheer.

As for the "beatiful game," ugh! I was forced to play it as a wee lad, and while I did rather well, I couldn't stomach the dumb as a bag of rocks coaches and even dumber professional players brought in as... imagine this... role models. In contrast, the boorish beer besotted fans at the games seemed nearly genteel. But 'nuff of this dreary subject.

23 April 2013 at 19:04  
Blogger William said...

Quite right Avi. Soccer is invariably dull, dull, dull. Football, on the other hand, is a game for real men. Where biting means removing someone's ear, not nibbling their shoulder, and no one is awarded a penalty just because they tripped over their own shoelaces.

That's rugby football by the way. Not that silly group hugs with helmets and adverts every thirty seconds that Carl occasionally promotes.

23 April 2013 at 19:45  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Mr Integrity. Rather heartening to hear our man is at least active on another level of internet existence, but one is concerned should he abandon his position of internet Christian giant to become yet another mere political commentator, and to disappear within said community as is the fate of the many, some of which are not called, yet come anyway...

23 April 2013 at 20:12  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "The Inspector has been following the French SSM nonsense on that wretched Pink News site."


23 April 2013 at 20:22  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Ah, rugby, now that's a man's game indeed, William. Had a team in our high school here in Toronto and in a fleeting moment of adolescent silliness thought of joining. Then, took one look at the great ruddy WASPs on the team and wisely chickened out. Besides, Mom wouldn't have let me join.

23 April 2013 at 20:27  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0. The Inspector will give it a year in France. For now, there will be benderfest big time and several more of you will become HIV+. Bur then, it’s back to the GAY AGENDA. To wit, lowering the age of consent to puberty, and getting homosexual studies on the national curriculum. We live in degenerate days, that lad...

23 April 2013 at 20:27  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

To wit, lowering the age of consent to puberty, and getting homosexual studies on the national curriculum."

I hope not, to both of those.

23 April 2013 at 20:37  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0. The Gay Machine is on a roll. Do you think this gang of chancers, for that is what they are, are going to rest ? Society should have stood up to them and said, if you want to get married, do what the rest of us do, and find someone of the opposite sex. ? They’d have gone home quietly, but no, we pandered them...

23 April 2013 at 20:44  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Well, if anyone else hasn't noticed, it is England's national day today, so happy St George's day everyone!

23 April 2013 at 20:54  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Yet the hopes of decent Gays will come to naught, Danjo. The process here in Canada proceeds as follows: begin in the schools by anti- bullying campaigns which turn into, Pink Days which in turn become local, small scale Gay parades. Introduce Gay studies in the curriculum and take them out of sex ed as parents withdraw their kids, to introduce them in compulsory courses like English and social studies. Since one is expected to discuss very early on issues of "orientation," the age of consent has become a topic of discussion, attatched to children's rights and age discrimination. In that context, parental control over when and with whom a child may associate with becomes interference with a child's personal autonomy and sexual development which becomes a violation worthy social workers' attention and intervention. These are not fantasies and paranoias, these are occurences in schools and discussions in teachers colleges and social work departments.

23 April 2013 at 20:57  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Here’s a thing. Homophobic assault is up 30% in France this year, and co-incidentally the Thames Valley police area, the very same figure. Of course, we all know there are drunken thugs out there spoiling for a fight, but it does impact on the sensibilities...

23 April 2013 at 21:13  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Good call, Hannah. Happy St. George's to all you fine feathered Limey friends. Oddly,many here in Canuckistan know it's Shakespeare's birthday, but not England's. St. Patricks day is quite big, but not Robbie Burn's Night, even though there are more Scots and English than Irish. And some protestant churches seem to celebrate hanukkah lately,for reasons I cannot fathom. It's a weird world.

23 April 2013 at 21:55  
Blogger Peter D said...

Avi, the phrase "decent Gays" is an oxymoron.

All "decent" people with homosexual tendencies would keep this a private matter and avoid all occasions where there would be temptation to express their unnatural inclinations. They most certainly would not use the term "gay" to describe the condition.

23 April 2013 at 23:42  
Blogger Peter D said...

Saints be praised!

The 'Bish has returned to Twitter.

24 April 2013 at 00:41  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Nevertheless, Peter, Gay is how those with the behaviour describe themselves. I have had two Gay teachers, a few clients, co-drivers on long distance trips and a good friend who now lives in the US and with whom I keep in touch from time to time. All of them I would describe as decent people who have never in their dealings with me done me wrong . And even Danjo, with whom I often cross swords, is by all I can see, a decent fellow...apart from the fact that he will never admit to losing an argument.

As I have opined before, the Jewish issue for me is a Torah violation of the same gravity for a Jew eating pork or bowing to foreign idols or other religions. The open, sexually active and public behaviour of a Gay man is as offensive to me as the current hookup scene and the crude ways in which boys and men deal with girls and women is a topic that upsets me more than the private affairs of the Gay.

Yes, I object to strongly to the SSM and Gay promotion being shoved down our throats, just as I object to people trying to tamper with Jewish custom, to religiously proselytize us, to make us eat treif, to force us to honour customs forbidden to us. You seem to have more then a passing knowledge of Jewish history and so, I'm sure you'll agree that with all the creative savagery that's been flung our way, the Gay issue barely makes it on our threat board. I don't wish to be tutored or corrected on this issue by either side.

24 April 2013 at 00:55  
Blogger Peter D said...


I do appreciate where you're coming from.

Nevertheless, homosexual practice is a grave offence against our God - look what happened at Sodom and Gomorrah! I truly believe all God fearing people need to name homosexuality for what it is and stop pussy footing around and allowing it to become 'normalised'.

There is a difference between human sexual weakness and a more fundamental sexual perversity that attacks the very structure of our society and our relationship with our Maker.

24 April 2013 at 01:51  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...


Bonnie Cranmer's nu awa'
Overthrewn by Pete Sweet Spurs
Mony a heart will break i'twa
Should he no come back again


Will ye no come back again?
Will ye no come back again?
Better lo'ed ye cannae be
Will ye no come back again?

Performed by the BBC Barbershop Quartet

Peter D - tenor
Purple Rain - baritone
Dork Danjovic - counter tenor
The inspector - basso poofundo

Trombone continuo - Ernst Blewfart

24 April 2013 at 04:39  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Avi,

Unfortunately, England is one of the few places in the world where you are not really allowed to be 'patriotic' and therefore st george's day is frowned upon as a bit nationalistic or whatever.

Although I'm guessing the ministry of equality will have something to say about that, after they realize that st george was from Libya , they can then also tweek things further; perhaps they will ditch the 'saint' bit, change George into 'Georgina'....

24 April 2013 at 06:07  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

'the phrase "decent Gays" is an oxymoron'.


24 April 2013 at 06:30  
Blogger Sister Tiberia said...

LOL Cressida - I like it.

Going to have that song going round in my head all day now... :)

24 April 2013 at 07:30  
Blogger Peter D said...



24 April 2013 at 11:35  
Blogger Peter D said...


The term "gay" implies an acceptance of homosexual activities as normal and acceptable. They are not, as I'm sure you'll agree. It also suggests active campaigning to have this condition accepted as part of main stream society, including "marriage" and "education". This is offensive to any orthodox Christian, Jew or Muslim.

There are, of course, many "decent homosexuals" who recognise their inclination is unacceptable to God and, if given free reign, harmful to themselves and society.

24 April 2013 at 11:42  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


Most honoured and delighted that Ernst is given a bit part in the musical piece, providing the 'oomph oomph' comme George Chisholm but that would make it a quintet, my dear.* WAH-wahhhh *


24 April 2013 at 11:47  
Blogger bluedog said...

Hi Hannah @ 0607, sorry to be pedantic but St George came from Occupied Asia Minor (Turkey), not Libya.

St Augustine of Hippo was born in what is now Algeria, and his mother is thought to have been Berber.

24 April 2013 at 11:59  
Blogger bluedog said...

Brilliant, Cressida @ 04.39.

Would never have guessed that the Lycee taught the work of Robbie Burns.

24 April 2013 at 12:03  
Blogger Peter D said...


I don't believe Cressie had an actual instrument in mind and suspect 'Trombone continuo' was a euphemism.

24 April 2013 at 19:48  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

One wonders if the aged poor unfortunate Blowthing has worked out who Peter D was in a previous life...

24 April 2013 at 19:52  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Avi: "And even Danjo, with whom I often cross swords, is by all I can see, a decent fellow...apart from the fact that he will never admit to losing an argument."

I will admit it when it eventually happens, of course. ;)

24 April 2013 at 19:58  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "Society should have stood up to them and said, if you want to get married, do what the rest of us do, and find someone of the opposite sex. ?"

If only everyone had listened to Cardinal O'Brien ... well, to what he said in public anyway ... perhaps society wouldn't be about to collapse completely, or be wiped out in a firestorm sent by Dodo's god. :(

24 April 2013 at 20:03  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

One does suppose DanJ0 has risen from that grapefruit squeezer he likes to sit on to give us all the benefit of his gay advice. Good show, that man, but really, you shouldn’t...

24 April 2013 at 20:09  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

My only gay advice to you Inspector is, as ever, to come out of the closet. At least to close friends anyway. There's still time for you to find a boyfriend, you know.

24 April 2013 at 20:16  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Interesting word, young fruit, that which is ‘closet’. Of course, a nasty Americanism that refers to the water closet, to wit, the lavatory, in English, if you will.

Ah, happy memories of you fellows hanging around one of the finest public toilets in the land, to be found at Montpellier Gardens, Cheltenham. Superb building and rather fitting to Cheltenham’s fine heritage.

Anyway, as you were, and back on that grapefruit thing. It's best if we know where you are and what you are doing...

24 April 2013 at 20:30  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

19:48 Correct PD.

Ernst could rival Le Petomane I suspect but probably with not as many tunes.

Incidentally peter means to fart in French. Just thought I would let you know.

25 April 2013 at 00:18  
Blogger Peter D said...


Well thank you that, madam! Tell the bloody world, why don't you? Just as my reputation was becoming restored too!

This could be the beginning of the end of a beautiful friendship unless you make amends.

25 April 2013 at 01:34  
Blogger Pietro Damiani said...


You really must learn to resist the flirtatious advances of a certain homosexual on here. It is unseemly watching him pursue you in such a wanton fashion.

25 April 2013 at 01:40  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


Americans define a closet as a place to put coats. We don't refer to a bathroom as a closet.


25 April 2013 at 03:38  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Peter Damian

That last post bears a distinct if faint resemblance to one of Dodo's old posts. Remember the recovering alcoholic and don't take the first drink.


25 April 2013 at 03:41  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

25 April 2013 at 03:58  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

How many sips constitute a drink?

25 April 2013 at 04:03  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Pietro...peter it is pronounced differently in French and does not sound like your name...spelling the same though.

Amends? Well I am not washing your feet or kissing your ring!

Attention mon ami. You are falling into a trap.Steer clear of commenting about he who can do no wrong!

25 April 2013 at 04:38  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

It's the nature of a moth to be drawn to a candle, and my candle burns so very brightly.

25 April 2013 at 05:25  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Office of Inspector General said to the aged and decrepit communicant

" One wonders if the aged poor unfortunate Blowthing has worked out who Peter D was in a previous life...!

Dear fellow

Thanks for the heads up but it was most unapparent to Ernst, something of the chap's wicked wit must have got left in the pile of ashes during the rebirth. Reformed indeed but not with the same potency to hold all enthralled at his court.

Glad to see Kavanagh's have started to comment again..Did they apologise also for tossing their playroom toys around this blog?

Been watching the gee gees hence only popping in now and then for the odd goosey.


It appears that the continual bombardment of HG with 'bigot' slurs by certain RC's and leftie others in his own church have worn him down.

In the immortal words of LCPL Jones "They don't like it up 'em!" which is the motto of the Albion-On-Sea's Home Guard platoon! {AHEM}

25 April 2013 at 08:40  
Blogger Pietro Damiani said...

Apology accepted and there's no need to kiss my feet or even my ring.

Appreciated but as you say, the spirit is willing ....

The whole experience was terribly traumatic and its taking me a while to fully recover. What with the grilling given me by our host, private emails to him urging my continuing exile expressing fear of retribution and finally the convening of a Synod and a nerve wracking wait for the result of the vote!

Heartening to know the old bird was missed by you even though we occassionally had our slight differences.

I do hope you're in good shape and keeping well, old friend. Please pass on my love to the long suffering Matron.

25 April 2013 at 12:09  
Blogger Pietro Damiani said...

"Just as a candle cannot burn without fire, men cannot live without a spiritual life."

25 April 2013 at 12:20  
Blogger bluedog said...

Is it just a coincidence that the return of Dodo under various pseudonyms is marked by simultaneous absence of His Grace with threats to shut down the blog?

This communicant thinks not.

Do us a favour, Peter.

Please go away until His Grace returns.

25 April 2013 at 13:49  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


"The whole experience was terribly traumatic and its taking me a while to fully recover."

"What with the grilling given me by our host (indeed, nobody expects an inquisition, do they), private emails to him urging my continuing exile (He told you about the bounders doing very unchristian of them..bit like Ronaldo and those foreign chappies doing the red card gesture to refs. DISGUSTING!) expressing fear of retribution (By the CofE ??.vey vey hard to imagine. Like being savaged by a goldfish, surely) and finally the convening of a Synod and a nerve wracking wait for the result of the vote! (Does this mean you have started your own likkle 'ordinariate' within Cranny's bosom? ;-) )"

Glad you are back home, like the prodigal son, if probably not as repentant perhaps?. *Huge Chuckles and Chortles*

Ernsty, my fine chap.


Me fav multicoloured hound woofed 'Is it just a coincidence that the return of Dodo under various pseudonyms is marked by simultaneous absence of His Grace with threats to shut down the blog?

This communicant thinks not.'

Never, my loveable pup. H G merely needs time to reflect and know that his communicants miss and care as do others he converses with frequently on the blog and twittersphere.
Never heard of pete broadbent (thought he played Professor Slughorn in Harry Potter) til he was ever so rude and unchristian to HG.

Christ only ever prayed for His Own, irrespective of colour, creeds or political persuasion.

The question is not 'who do you vote for' but 'in whom do you trust'? It certainly ain't that lot at Westminster!

25 April 2013 at 14:09  
Blogger Pietro Damiani said...


Why thank you very much for the welcome back to the fold - its appreciated. You would have enjoyed the drama, I'm sure, and I'm confident you'd have voted in the affirmative.

I am repentant, believe me. Corn husks are so terribly bad for the digestive system! Archbishop Cranmer's very forgiveness and his killing of the Fatted Calf (much more tasty than Dodo wings) was more than I ever expected or hoped for. And, thankfully, there are a number of friends on here helping to keep me on the straight and narrow.

25 April 2013 at 15:40  
Blogger Pietro Damiani said...


Experiencing a touch of 'Older Brother' syndrome are we?

25 April 2013 at 15:44  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Good show Blowers. Glad to see you avoided nature’s winter cull of the old by being one step ahead of that hooded chap with the scythe. (Yes, he reminds one of those murderous black gangs operating in London around Victoria Station…)

Carl. What do you colonials call the lavatory when there is no bath in there, just Thomas Crapper’s glorious invention ?

25 April 2013 at 17:50  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


In a formal context, we would say 'restroom.' In a more informal context, we would say 'bathroom.' The presence or absence of a bathtub does not change the word usage.


25 April 2013 at 21:22  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

The Inspector is obliged to you Carl.

25 April 2013 at 21:36  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Less than three hours to the start of the NFL Draft. It's like NFL New Year. Turn on those TV sets now.


25 April 2013 at 22:10  
Blogger Peter D said...


How strange. They are neither "rest rooms" nor "bathrooms".

The Brits say "khazi", "loo" or "toilet". The "privy" or "netty" are other less common terms.

TRhe Aussies top the list with the "dunny" or "thunderbox".

25 April 2013 at 22:11  
Blogger bluedog said...

Peter @ 15.44, no, just making a judgement of cause and effect.

Consider the possibility that I may be right.

What then?

25 April 2013 at 23:31  
Blogger Peter D said...


You are overestimating my influence and underestimating Archbishop Cranmer's resilience.

Consider his recent gracious post to me:

Like the Prodigal Son, His Grace welcomes you back home, for as long as this place endures. He hopes that your pangs of hunger while feeding the swine result in lasting transformation and purposeful renewal. You appear to have been born again, and so His Grace is content to kill the fatted calf.

Generous and very Christian, wouldn't you agree?

This man is no enemy of this blog or of its author. Personally, I don't think it appropriate to speculate on possible causes for our host having a break. They will be private and personal and really none of our business.

26 April 2013 at 00:22  
Blogger bluedog said...

'Generous and very Christian, wouldn't you agree?', quoth Dodo/Peter at 00.22

And the Lord saith, 'Do unto others, etc" Luke 6.13.

Your ex-communication was conducted in a public forum, His Grace's blog. You tell us that your re-instatement was achieved following private entreaties (grovelling?) and pursuant to certain undertakings.

Now, unilaterally and because it is to your fleeting advantage to represent His Grace's private comment to you as a Letter Patent, you betray his confidence.

It is not for this communicant to pass judgement on your insouciant incontinence. However it is difficult to regard any individual who so casually reneges on a gentleman's agreement as anything other than an unreliable counter-party.

Cad for short.

26 April 2013 at 12:11  
Blogger Peter D said...


Yet again you portray your judgemental stance. Where did I say my reinstatement followed private entreaties? There was nothing private nor confidential about Archbishop Cranmer's comments to me nor mine to him. They were all posted publically on this blog.

An apology would be in order - don't you think?

26 April 2013 at 12:39  
Blogger bluedog said...

Dodo/Peter, April 25th, 12.09:

The whole experience was terribly traumatic and its taking me a while to fully recover. What with the grilling given me by our host, private emails to him urging my continuing exile expressing fear of retribution and finally the convening of a Synod and a nerve wracking wait for the result of the vote!

An apology would not be in order.

26 April 2013 at 13:11  
Blogger Peter D said...

Older Brother bluedog

The private emails referred to quite clearly were not from me, given they were urging my continuing exile. Perhaps you might spend your time more profitably searching for the relevant thread where this all unfolded and reading it.

26 April 2013 at 14:25  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Bluedog/Peter Dodo,

Or you could both act like the seasoned professionals you are, move on and get the lamb tagine cookin; glug a beer*, pour a glass of 1972 Chateauneuf du Pape, break out the finest Malt, enjoy the sunshine.

Chillax, it is Friday.

*that is British Beer, not Bud Light!

26 April 2013 at 16:46  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

The thread is certainly worth reading. There's something there which would probably even make the apparently mendacious Cardinal O'Brien blush.

26 April 2013 at 18:27  
Blogger non mouse said...

Well said, Mr. bluedog @ 13:11 An apology would not be in order. I couldn't agree more!

How typical, though, that the miscreant should demand one of you -- and have the egotism to require you to research his twaddle.

Well - at least I know which posts to scroll past again.

26 April 2013 at 19:52  
Blogger Peter D said...

Older Brother bluedog
Not Christian enough to acknowledge your error?

Older Sister non mouse
This inability to forgive is clearly something you need to overcome too.

"And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors."

A truely astonishing requirement placed on us by Christ - our sins won't be forgiven unless we forgive others.

Touch of sour grapes? Guess the 'game' didn't quite unfold and end as you had anticipated, eh? Never mind.

God knows, I'm not proud of my past on here but neither will I keep raking over it for the perverse pleasure of others.

Shall we all just move on and behave like grown-ups, even if the Christian bar seems too high for some or is disregded by others?

Peter D

27 April 2013 at 00:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dash it all chaps, let's give the new Dodo a chance. His Grace has done so, therefore we should as well. He is of the Papal party, but no chap is perfect.

27 April 2013 at 00:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I quite agree. People do need to "chill" and "relax" here.

On a lighter note : Is it true that there is a Mexican spirit which has a worm inside it and the last chap to drink the bottle has to eat the worm? I think it is called Tequeleya.

27 April 2013 at 00:53  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Dodo: "Touch of sour grapes? Guess the 'game' didn't quite unfold and end as you had anticipated, eh? Never mind."

I set out to reveal your deception, once you tried to take me for a fool, and so it unfolded exactly as I expected. You had no choice in the situation, though you still tried to do a 'Cardinal O'Brien' anyway. The ultimate consequences didn't really matter as the destruction of this ID of yours would simply have triggered a new one. What it did show along the way is that you really seem to need this place and what you get from the transactions. Let's face it, you must do to do what you did to remain here. So, a case of 'the devil you know', so to speak, may be preferable in the long run. You're like the Roman Catholic Church in miniature as it goes: your morals and decency need to be managed externally because you seem unable manage them yourself. I know it seems harsh sometimes but it's for the best, you know.

27 April 2013 at 06:51  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Dodo, once again, at 12.09 on 25th April you emailed Ernst as follows: 'The whole experience was terribly traumatic and its taking me a while to fully recover. What with the grilling given me by our host, private emails to him urging my continuing exile expressing fear of retribution and finally the convening of a Synod and a nerve wracking wait for the result of the vote! '

Contained therein is a reference to private emails that appear to have been sent to His Grace by certain communicants. My criticism is based on the belief that there is no other disclosure on the blog of these private emails, not at least it would seem, from His Grace. Your comment therefore raises the possibility that in your own negotiations with His Grace, which may have involved private emails between you and he, HG may have told you about the existence of private emails urging your continued ex-communication. If that is the case, you appear to have breached HG's confidence, a matter that appears not to trouble you in the slightest.

You have said to me, 'Perhaps you might spend your time more profitably searching for the relevant thread where this all unfolded and reading it.'

Well, show me the thread from His Grace that refutes my belief and I will understand that I am wrong. If you can prove to me that I am wrong, I will of course apologise.

Please give the names of bloggers that you may have canvassed in order to gain email support of your own position. Breaching their confidence would not appear to concern you.

Well said, Mr DanJO @ 06.51.

Thank you, non mouse.

Lord Lavendon @ 00.51, it's nothing to do with Dodo's Catholicism but all to do with his integrity.

27 April 2013 at 09:39  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

HG has accepted Dodo back into the fold and that should be the end of the matter.

Mad Hound you really must do something about this extraordinaryly vicious streak you possess lashing out and making false accusations . Your attacks on Dodo are unprovoked and totally unjustified . I hope he does not dignify these attacks by you any further with a response.

In fact I think HG is probably fed up with irks like you snarling and causing trouble and I would not blame him if he never returned. You have brought it on yourself if this is the case .

27 April 2013 at 12:24  
Blogger Peter D said...

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27 April 2013 at 12:26  
Blogger Peter D said...


Wise advice, thank you. This is a closed topic so far as I'm concerned.

Peter D

27 April 2013 at 12:29  
Blogger bluedog said...

12.24, and Cressida says, 'Mad Hound you really must do something about this extraordinaryly (sic) vicious streak you possess lashing out and making false accusations .'

All reasoned and substantiated.

I won't mention your exchanges with Carl.

And, 'I hope he does not dignify these attacks by you any further with a response.'

The only valid response was for Dodo to produce the relevant thread. But it seems he can't because it apparently doesn't exist.

In which case my criticism is entirely justified.

27 April 2013 at 12:50  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Cressida: "HG has accepted Dodo back into the fold and that should be the end of the matter."

Hey, I'm just juxtapositioning the notions of 'decent homosexual' and 'decent Roman Catholic' given the 'sips of alcohol' I inferred earlier. It was a "What a bloody cheek!" response. Besides, we pretty much know by the very nature of the situation that if the blog owner hadn't accepted him back into the fold then he'd have still defied him nevertheless and created another ID. Hey ho.

27 April 2013 at 12:51  
Blogger Peter D said...

The fox and the grapes

Once upon a time there was a fox strolling through the woods.
He came upon a grape orchard. There he found a bunch of
beautiful grapes hanging from a high branch.

”Boy those sure would be tasty”, he thought to himself.

He backed up and took a running start, and jumped.
He did not get high enough.
He went back to his starting spot and tried again.
He almost got high enough this time, but not quite.
He tried and tried, again and again, but just couldn’t get high
enough to grab the grapes.

Finally, he gave up.

As he walked away, he put his nose in the air and said:

”I am sure those grapes are sour.”

27 April 2013 at 20:58  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

...and it is from that story we get the phrase ‘No point crying over sour milk while the irons hot’...

27 April 2013 at 23:43  
Blogger Peter D said...

Two Travellers and a Bear

Two Men were traveling in company through a forest, when, all at once, a huge Bear crashed out of the brush near them.

One of the Men, thinking of his own safety, climbed a tree.
The other, unable to fight the savage beast alone, threw himself on the ground and lay still, as if he were dead. He had heard that a Bear will not touch a dead body.

It must have been true, for the Bear snuffed at the Man's head awhile, and then, seeming to be satisfied that he was dead, walked away.

The Man in the tree climbed down.

"It looked just as if that Bear whispered in your ear. What did he tell you?"

The other answered:

"He said that it was not at all wise to keep company with a fellow who would desert his friend in a moment of danger."

28 April 2013 at 01:23  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

The chances of that loser on the fkoor quietly keeping his head down rather than poking the bear repeatedly with a stick from his prone position is about zero in reality.

28 April 2013 at 05:52  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

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28 April 2013 at 05:52  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

1.Whatever walks upon two legs is an enemy.

2. Whatever walks upon four legs ( mad hounds excepted )or has wings is a friend.

3.All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

George Orwell

28 April 2013 at 06:46  
Blogger Peter D said...

Strangely, the Bear turned out to be the Guardian of the Forest. He held a conversation with our prostrate traveller to establish his reasons for being there. Following this, he welcomed him and gave him permission to remain despite the plaintive entreaties of other less visible forest dwellers.

28 April 2013 at 12:26  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Ooooh, Peter D is giving us all bedtime stories to read and ones with hidden meanings too! I like the one about the sun and the wind....

28 April 2013 at 16:41  
Blogger Peter D said...

Two Roosters

Two roosters lived in a village. One day they fought in the farmyard. Finally one was vanquished and he went back to hen house.

The victor flew up to the roof of the barn and begins to crow:

"I’ve won, I’ve won! What a loser, what a loser! He better not mess with me."

Suddenly an eagle swooped down and carried him away.

28 April 2013 at 21:48  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

I'm a man of honesty and intregity so I don't need to be removed, just to be asked to leave by name and I'll respect that. No sly reinventions. No cringeworthy grovelling. And no swan songs. I'm a decent man as well as being a decent homsexual.

29 April 2013 at 06:57  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0, you are indeed a decent man, and dare it be said, an asset to the site, now that you no longer resort to crudity...

29 April 2013 at 10:33  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

This is hilarious... The maestro of crudity inspector swings between grapefruit porn and adoration of the sunshine boy.

" Love is in the Air..doo doo dadee da da"

I hope you will be very happy to gether.

Guess who is not going to be invited to the coming out of the closet party?

29 April 2013 at 12:10  
Blogger Peter D said...

The Philanthropic Snake

A Redtailed Boa boasted of his decency and sensitivity, saying that of all animals he was the most tender in his regard for man and other animals. He had so such respect for them that he would not even touch a dead body.

A hare hearing these words said with a smile to the boa,

"Oh! that you would eat the dead and not the living."

29 April 2013 at 12:44  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

A fellow limps away. Your hurtful tongue to blame, Cressida

29 April 2013 at 13:16  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

If you are trying to make me feel guilty..forget it! OK well maybe just a smidgin.It throws me when you are not abusive. I do prefer consistency.We are about even now. Let us return to our truce of not engaging each other.

29 April 2013 at 14:05  
Blogger The Gray Monk said...

Your Grace, if anyone is being arrogant it is the Bishop. He is also being decidedly unchristian. Typical, I would add, of the Left Wing political spectrum and the "Evangelical" wing of our great church.

I sincerely hope and trust you will soon return to ths fray of blogging. I have no doubt that the shade of ++Thomas himself would be more in tune with your views than with those of the incumbent of Willesden. Oh dear, +Pete indeed ...

29 April 2013 at 14:57  
Blogger Peter D said...

Gray Monk

Hear, hear.

One wonders too why a Bishop would shorten his Christian name to 'Pete'. I mean "Thou art Pete and upon this rock I will build my church", just doesn't work. And as for being a card carrying member of the Labour Party and a Tottenham supporter to boot, one feels this chap maybe more a man of the people than a man of God.

29 April 2013 at 16:06  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

"On this rock I will build my Church"......Hmmm. Except that we know that it wasn't "church" that he meant or said, was it, as the Church did not exist. So what was it? Something much more organic, less formal, like band of disciples I guess.

2 May 2013 at 13:49  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

I have looked it up on the internet and discovered that the Greek, "Ecclesia" meant " a gathering, an assembly, or the called out", so much less institutional than what some would have us believe. I also discovered that it was a pun on the female form of the word Peter that meant rock. So perhaps it meant "When I find women who make that sort of strong declaration we will be able to build a really strong assembly of believers who will change the world" ;-)

2 May 2013 at 14:05  
Blogger Peter D said...


It still doesn't work even if one says, "Thou art Pete and upon this rock I will build my community."

As for your speculations on women, well, Jesus never appointed a female Apostle.

Christ called Simon 'Petros' (rock) - not 'petra' which could not stand as a man's name. In Greek a feminine name could have been used but in the Hebrew and Aramaic the word for 'rock' are masculine. Jesus did not speak Greek to his Apostles, now did He?

3 May 2013 at 00:34  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Yes it does work..a Church is a community
which shares a common belief or faith.
Why do you think it does not work?

3 May 2013 at 07:43  
Blogger Peter D said...


I was referring to name 'Pete' - adopted by the bishop of Willesden and Tottenham - not the existance of a community. That and I personally don't like the name Peter being reduced to Pete.

Christ established His 'Church', whatever we might understand the translation of this word to be, on a firm foundation of faith and on the Apostles. He played with the word Peter in Aramaic, renaming Simon as Petros to underline this.

The Church is, of course, a community, a body of believers, the Mystical Body of Christ, as well as being a human organisation.

3 May 2013 at 11:26  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

Apostles with a capital A appointed is more the way it is seen in retrospect than how it happened originally, again, I suspect, and women were key witnesses. If one wants to write it in retrospect, they were Appointed as Key Primary Witnesses!!

3 May 2013 at 16:26  
Blogger Peter D said...


Its all there in Scripture. Jesus appointed 12 Apostles - all male.

3 May 2013 at 21:22  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Lucy makes a good point. After the Cross Jesus first appeared to women. The men did not believe them. Thus Jesus is making clear the position of women.Numero uno! saying that men may be given the facade of power positions but they must listen to the women, the real power behind the scenes because they know best. Another good reason for having married priests.A man without a women is like fish without water.

4 May 2013 at 01:05  
Blogger Peter D said...


I'm not opposed to married priests - say later in life when they have raised a family and are relieved of the responsibilities of fatherhood. It may come one day.

I also agree women have an important role to play in the Church - just not as priests and bishops. There was a time when priests had relationships with nuns in parishes and these were close but non-sexual and non-exclusive. They also had live in house keepers too with whom they formed close supportive bonds of friendship.

4 May 2013 at 01:36  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Well it does not appear to be like that now. The Church has to be tough on removing the scourge of perv priests that have stained the Church for generations but none so bad as Cardinal O Brien who has no respect for Catholicism or his position whatsoever behaving in this way for 30 years. I am glad he was exposed. If he were the slightest bit Catholic he should voluntarily spend the rest of his life caring for lepers or similar instead of retiring to his villa.It shames me that Albert rushed to his defence along with all the others who signed a petition supporting Cardinal O Brien..but then he is a Catholic of the new order...a religion that I do not recognise.I am a Catholic from the original version.
Only God can forgive the fallen Prince and one may well ask how he ever reached his elevated position. The homosexual contingent is doing Catholics a big favour in exposing the rotten wood.

4 May 2013 at 02:48  

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