Monday, April 08, 2013

Margaret Thatcher has died and passed into Glory

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: a time to die...a time to lose...a time to mourn...a time to weep...
Margaret Hilda Thatcher, the Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven in the County of Lincolnshire, is dead.

She was the first woman leader of the Conservative Party (indeed, of any major political party) and the first female Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, holding office from 1979 to 1990.

Some will doubtless rejoice at the news, but very many more will mourn. They may not have agreed with all that the Iron Lady said or did, but the vast majority respected her as a woman of conviction and of principle; a woman who said what she thought and did what she said. Surveying the modern political scene of sophistry, duplicity, inconsistency and spin, she clearly belonged to another era.

Thousands of obituaries will be written today the world over. They will speak eloquently of how she reversed Britain’s decline of the 1970s; of how she forged a distinct Conservative political philosophy; transformed economic thinking; survived an assassination attempt and won a glorious victory for liberty against tyranny in the Falkland Islands.

They will recall the Cold War era and her close friendship with President Ronald Reagan, which was based not merely on a shared distrust of Communism, but the genuine warmth of fraternity. Few obituaries are likely to mention her devout Christian faith, which was the foundation of her political programme and the bedrock of her conviction for less government, lower taxes, more freedom and greater personal responsibility.

When Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister on 4th May 1979, on the steps of 10 Downing Street she paraphrased the Prayer of Saint Francis: 'Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope.'

Through considerable periods of social upheaval and racial tension, her personal standing and reputation increased to deliver successive parliamentary majorities which were acknowledged just about everywhere except her alma mater Oxford University, which took the decision to make her the first Oxford-educated post-war Prime Minister not to be awarded an honorary doctorate. In politics, she divided opinion: you either loved her or hated her. But many of those who hated secretly admired her conviction: "You turn if you want to. The lady's not for turning!"

Baroness Thatcher's Christianity was grounded in the Protestant nonconformity of devout and evangelical Methodism: her conservatism was Tory in its Burkean deference to the great institutions of state but thoroughly Whiggish and libertarian after Mill in its iconoclastic challenge to the big agencies of state; in her emphasis on the ‘work ethic’ kind of Protestantism, and her patriotic belief in the national British Christian spirit and her notion of morality as the opportunity for free choice. She had what some identified as a ‘puritan streak’, espousing the values of the English suburban and provincial middle-class and aspiring skilled working-class. These contrasted with the values of the establishment élite of the Church of England, landowners, university academics, the Foreign Office and the professions.

Her writings and speeches are unequivocal in the provenance of her theo-political worldview. In Statecraft, she wrote: ‘I believe in what are often referred to as “Judaeo-Christian” values: indeed my whole political philosophy is based on them’. In the second volume The Path to Power she went further: ‘Although I have always resisted the argument that a Christian has to be a Conservative, I have never lost my conviction that there is a deep and providential harmony between the kind of political economy I favour and the insights of Christianity’.

But a speech she made at the zenith of her power is perhaps the most illuminating of all her statements with regard to her theology, and it is worth looking at it in some detail because she began it by saying that she spoke 'personally as a Christian, as well as a politician’.

It was a speech to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland in 1988, in which she outlined what she identified as the ‘distinctive marks of Christianity’ which ‘stem not from the social but from the spiritual side of our lives’. And perhaps in a swipe at those ‘meddlesome priests’ who were critical of some of her policies throughout the 1980s, she declared that ‘we must not profess the Christian faith and go to Church simply because we want social reforms and benefits or a better standard of behaviour; but because we accept the sanctity of life, the responsibility that comes with freedom and the supreme sacrifice of Christ’.

In this speech, Margaret Thatcher was unwavering in her interpretation of Scripture which gives ‘a view of the universe, a proper attitude to work, and principles to shape economic and social life’: of how the theological ‘is’ translates into the political ‘ought’; how Christianity remains relevant to public policy. And so she emphasises the traditional conservative view of the family which is ‘at the heart of our society and the very nursery of civic virtue. And it is on the family that we in government build our own policies for welfare, education and care'. And with an appeal to the Apostle Paul, she reminded her audience that ‘anyone who neglects to provide for his own house (family) has disowned the faith and is "worse than an infidel"’. Yet she was not deluded by the biblical ideal, recognising that ‘modern society is infinitely more complex’ and that ‘new occasions teach new duties’. But some things are sacrosanct:
I believe strongly that politicians must see that religious education has a proper place in the school curriculum. In Scotland, as in England, there is an historic connection expressed in our laws between Church and State. The two connections are of a somewhat different kind, but the arrangements in both countries are designed to give symbolic expression to the same crucial truth: that the Christian religion – which, of course, embodies many of the great spiritual and moral truths of Judaism – is a fundamental part of our national heritage. And I believe it is the wish of the overwhelming majority of people that this heritage should be preserved and fostered. For centuries it has been our very life blood. And indeed we are a nation whose ideals are founded on the Bible.
To dispel any notion that Margaret Thatcher was simply exploiting Christianity for electoral purposes, it is possible to trace this golden thread in speeches she made prior even to becoming Leader of the Opposition: there is a distinct and consistent Nonconformist leitmotif running through all of her political writings. Her government essentially constituted an applied theology; it was, she said, ‘engaged in the massive task of restoring confidence and stability to our people’ because ‘unless the spirit of the nation which has hitherto sustained us is renewed, our national life will perish’. She reintroduced into British politics a missionary mood that reflected her provincial and Methodist origins.

The ‘spirit’ of which she spoke was unequivocally and uncompromisingly Christian. She said: ‘I find it difficult to imagine that anything other than Christianity is likely to resupply most people in the West with the virtues necessary to remoralise society in the very practical ways which the solution of many present problems require’. Here, Margaret Thatcher comes as close as she can to identifying Christianity and Conservatism. One can speculate that for her any distinction between Christianity and Conservatism is a technical theological distinction, and that the values and principles associated with the two sets of beliefs were normally, temporally, indistinguishable.

She comes very close to this position in her volume Statecraft when she argues that certain cultures are 'more conducive to free-enterprise capitalism and thus to economic progress than others'. She had in mind the 'Judaeo-Christian tradition' as opposed to what she calls the 'great Asian religious traditions' and the 'religious traditions of Africa'. It is not necessary to agree with this analysis – and there are many problems with it – to recognise that for Baroness Thatcher a spiritual renewal meant essentially a Christian cultural renewal, not to fill the churches, but to ensure economic growth and prosperity.

Perhaps no prime minister since Gladstone could have risked telling a journalist that she was ‘in politics because of the conflict between good and evil’, with the conviction ‘that in the end good will triumph’. But it is not her policies which ultimately saved her. It is not her programme of government, her political achievements or her world renown. Margaret Thatcher is saved because Jesus Christ was and is her Lord and Saviour: He paid the price: she is forgiven.

The angels are today rejoicing in Heaven at a pilgrim who has come home. But the name of Margaret Thatcher - The Great Lady - is sure to endure on earth and reverberate throughout human history.


Blogger MFH said...

Oh how we could do with reincarnation

8 April 2013 at 14:07  
Blogger Elizabeth said...

Brilliant commentary! My father,a working class man,knew Margaret as Miss Roberts;she had all the time in the world for him and his colleagues at the local Conservative Club.He would have nothing said against her,and neither will I !

Is it not true,that Oxford would not award her an honourary doctorate because she wanted to sort out the old boy network of keeping the Dons in grace and favour properties and the like,at the universities expense?

8 April 2013 at 14:45  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Your Grace, thank you for such excellent words for this giant of a leader, our Great Lady, our Maggie. May the Almighty ease the sorrow of her loved ones and may she be well remembered by your nation and the entire Commonwealth.

8 April 2013 at 14:59  
Blogger Manfarang said...

the 'great Asian religious traditions'
We are not doing too badly in Asia as regards economic progress thank you.
I remember Margaret Thatcher's interpretation of the parable of the Good Samaritan which left me with the impression that she was wasn't particularly religious.
She certainly didn't involve herself with the Methodist Church in her later years.
Anyway this is a sad moment for her family and our thoughts must be with them.

8 April 2013 at 15:02  
Blogger G. Tingey said...


I NEVER trusted her, after she became Science/Education minister, and took great & obvious pleasure in not just closing down, but jumping up-&-down-on the shattered remains of the small (but perfectly formed) British space programme.

Also, although the cuts had not taken place, it was her defence (lack of it) proposals that got us the Falklands War.
A disatrouys course follwed by every other traitor to cooupy 10 Downing Street since her....

8 April 2013 at 15:06  
Blogger NamronMit said...

We should all act with respect at her passing, but not change history for the sake of that respect. She did a lot of good and a lot of bad, and the country still isn't sure what to make of it.

All we know is she was a strong leader, and a patriot. She was a born leader.

8 April 2013 at 15:08  
Blogger Martin said...

I'm afraid I see no evidence in what you have said that she was saved, nominally a Christians maybe, but that is a very different thing.

On, and the witch isn't Thatcher, but one still living.

8 April 2013 at 15:14  
Blogger Corrigan said...

This was a woman who took a ship which had run out of steam and restarted it by burning the very timbers of the vessel itself. She, more than Alec Salmond could ever be, will be the person who breaks up Britain, because after her, there was only England and Scotland. She was so derelict in her duty to regulate business corruption as to be, in effect, utterly corrupt herself, as the carrion she surrounded herself with certainly were. She dirtied the world by her existence, and enriched it by her death. Unfortunately, her legacy will take generations to fix.

8 April 2013 at 15:15  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Your Grace, as you have been soliciting opinion and advice from us of late, may I opine that Mr Tingey's comment, specifically his opening sentence, is gratuitously offensive in this space and at this time and should be deleted either by him or by you.

8 April 2013 at 15:24  
Blogger NamronMit said...

Avi Barzel is right. This is not the time to talk about her like that.

8 April 2013 at 15:28  
Blogger jadis said...

I am glad that God spared her long enough to see that her resistance to the Euro (which cost her her job) was 100% justified.

Not that it will get a mention on the Beeb.

8 April 2013 at 15:29  
Blogger sandwiches said...

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8 April 2013 at 15:30  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Barzel,

His Grace pondered that when he saw it. He is loath to delete a comment simply because it offends.

Tingey shows his puerile mind and lack of compassion. Let it stand as a monument to his smallness and inadequacy, and let this be an invitation for him either to delete the comment himself or leave His Grace's blog for good.

8 April 2013 at 15:30  
Blogger William said...

She...enriched it [the world] by her death

Thank you for enriching us with that comment Corrigan. Presumably you would have preferred the IRA to have enriched us all sooner in Brighton?

8 April 2013 at 15:31  
Blogger sandwiches said...

She destroyed so much of British industry and and it was on her watch that the Argentines were allowed to invade the Falklands.

8 April 2013 at 15:32  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Thank you, Your Grace, I see your point and appreciate its merits.

8 April 2013 at 15:34  
Blogger Manfarang said...

And the 1985 Anglo-Irish Agreement?
And doesn't Wales count.

8 April 2013 at 15:38  
Blogger MFH said...

The unions had already sealed the fate of much of British Industry, a work we are seeing now carried on by the EU, HSE, BBC the cival service, and the lawyers.
What she did was stop more disappearing down the plughole with them.
If only our Dave was truly a child of the great lady.

8 April 2013 at 16:17  
Blogger Corrigan said...

No, Wales doesn't count. Just forcing them to swallow their Mickey Mouse assembly was like shearing sheep. As for the Anglo-Irish Agreement, that was a deal between two sets of crooks on different sides of the sea who were washing each others hands.

8 April 2013 at 16:18  
Blogger John Magee said...

This great lady, the daughter of a grocer from a small English town, stood for everything conservatives (with a small C) believe in: individual rights, capitalism, and freedom, and all that is good her country represents which the USA copied in it's founding documents. PM Thatcher stood up to the USSR along with Lech Walesa, Pope John Paul II, and President Reagan scared the hell out of the Soviets and their evil empire which helped bring that system down in 1991. Not for nothing did Gorbachev gave her the name "The Iron Lady" because of her tough negotiating abilities with his Marxist dictatorship. Margaret Thatcher was a true feminist. She was highly educated woman who ballanced raising a family with a political career and managed to gain the highest office in her country. God bless you Baroness Thatcher...

8 April 2013 at 16:27  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

The legalisation of abortion up to birth.

Mercifully unsuccessful attempts to abolish the special status of Sunday and to end Christian teaching in state schools.

Get over her -

8 April 2013 at 16:33  
Blogger steve said...

The damage to British industry had already been done by the time Mrs Thatcher came to power. Go look see how much industry was lost under Blair. Go look how much industry was closed thanks to EU quotas (cash and close, cash and close.)

As for the defence cuts they were a continuation really of concentrating everything on the Central European front. There had been noise from Argentina before. Nobody expected anything to happen. If the UK jumped at every possible threat we would be living in a latter-day Albania with a defence budget as big as the welfare budget, 3 million man armed forces, air raid drills every week, and pillboxes at every road junction.

As for the space programme what about Tony Benn?

8 April 2013 at 16:42  
Blogger michael north said...

Mrs Thatcher came to power when this country was on its way down the toilet.She stopped that process, but did a lot of damage in the process. On balance, she did more good than harm, and that should be enough to make her well remembered. Politics is a dirty business and it is foolish to expect successful practitioners to be likeable, let alone saintly.

8 April 2013 at 17:04  
Blogger Unheard Melodies said...

‘I find it difficult to imagine that anything other than Christianity is likely to resupply most people in the West with the virtues necessary to remoralise society in the very practical ways which the solution of many present problems require’. Me too. Who else will say this now?

8 April 2013 at 17:07  
Blogger sandwiches said...


"The unions had already sealed the fate of much of British Industry, a work we are seeing now carried on by the EU, HSE, BBC the cival service, and the lawyers."

No, the BBC, the civil service, HSE and "the lawyers" do not control our economy. The fate of British Industry has been determined by politicians who have sought to use their offices to benefit themselves and their wealthy backers.
She was part of a process which culminated in the worst PM and Chancellor in British history.

8 April 2013 at 17:17  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

I daren't look at my Facebook as there will be all sorts of horrible things on there, given that I have some people from old mining communities on there. Radio4 has been very respectful, playing all sorts of clips and discussing her legacy with various people. Her speech following the IRA bombing made me fill up a bit, truth be told. I can't say I was that impressed with Ed Miliband's comments and their sub-text though.

8 April 2013 at 17:37  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Her actions were two thirds beneficial and one third harmful, in my opinion. Standing up to the unions, winning the Falklands back for democracy and generally restoring our confidence was enormously helpful; however I think that selling off council houses without building more social housing was politically opportunist and regrettable in the longer term. However no one, especially in high politics is perfect. Overall her Christian guided, practical form of politics was most inspiring. Maybe she will be remembered by historians as the last Christian PM, or can we hope against hope, for a re-evangelization of our benighted, directionless country ? I pray that it can be so.

8 April 2013 at 18:01  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

I know I have but the body of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart of a king, and of a king of England, too

And yet, not a natural leader. Had Keith Joseph stood for the leadership, she would have been right with him, as many an instance of where there is a great man, there is an even finer woman behind him. She would have been the broomstick shoved up his back. He wouldn’t have destroyed the miners, and he certainly wouldn’t have been finally driven insane by the poll tax. What a pair those two would have made…

Still, deserves to be drawn to her resting place on a gun carriage. Possibly the last politician that deserves this, the current self serving lot being a shower of EU Quislings who deserve to be thrown out of Traitors Gate into the Thames when their time comes…

8 April 2013 at 18:25  
Blogger bluedog said...

A sad day indeed, Your Grace, and for once, an excellent speech by David Cameron outside Number 10.

May Cameron reflect constructively on Margaret Thatcher's legacy, in particular upon her integrity and complete lack of artifice.

8 April 2013 at 18:50  
Blogger regalize said...

Wrong, wrong wrong! She is (hopefully) rotting and suffering in her own hell. This woman was evil - if you cannot see this then you should maybe get a job in McDonalds.

8 April 2013 at 19:02  
Blogger len said...

Margaret Thatcher was the driving force that wrested power from the Unions and put it back into the hands of the (for want of a better word) 'the ruling class'.

We are now seeing that ruling class use that reclaimed power to accumulate wealth for themselves at the expense of those who can afford it least.

Perhaps this is just the way of this 'present World system' the strong take from the weak but it will not aways be so.

Margaret Thatcher went the way of many 'strong leaders' there were those who resented her enough to devise a way of getting rid of her.

8 April 2013 at 19:17  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

One of the best summaries of what Maggie did for the UK and for the pride of us "colonials" out here in the boonies comes from the pen of John Steele Gordon, an American writing in a neocon Jewish American journal:

With the exception of Winston Churchill, she was, without question, the greatest British prime minister of the 20th century. Before she went to 10 Downing Street in 1979, Britain had been in seemingly irreversible decline, its empire gone, its industry ramshackle, its politics in thrall to the trade unions. Britain was the sick man of Europe. By the time she left office, in 1990, all that had changed. The power of the unions had been broken, the British economy was expanding rapidly, the government had sold off previously socialized industries. The United Kingdom was, once again, one of the great nations of the world.

Maggie wasn't perfect, but surely steering Britain out of the Doldrums counts for something? Anything? At least a day's grace period for a few of the vile gobs to give ugly talk a break until she is in the ground? Gosh.

8 April 2013 at 19:33  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Rather good summary of her from Channel 4 news, with Wagner in the background.

Reminds a chap of a contemporary nickname for her – Attila the hen

8 April 2013 at 19:50  
Blogger Corrigan said...

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8 April 2013 at 19:59  
Blogger Corrigan said...

Britain's decline went right on under Thatcher and got worse after her. All she did was open the watertight doors at the stern of the ship and tilt the prow up into the air. For a while, enough of the passangers scrambled for'd to make it seem like they'd reached safety, but the sinking continued. Its industry - whatever rump of it is left - is still ramshakle, and if its politics are no longer in thrall to the trade unions, it is only because they are now the outright possessions of the business class and the City of London. Britain is as sick as any country in Europe, its debts enourmous, its deficit terrifying and its people hopelessly divided. She did nothing because she was worth nothing on a human or a political level.

You going to run and tell teacher on me now, Avi?

8 April 2013 at 20:01  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Remembering back, thanks to the media reminiscing, to before Mrs Thatcher was PM, the Inspector was a young man.

One realises that government policy then was not subject to the ratification of workers soviets. But it bloody well felt that is was !


8 April 2013 at 20:05  
Blogger len said...

Avi seems to be throwing his hands up in amazement as to how anyone could have considered Margaret Thatcher anything but' a saviour' of the UK?

Well lets put things into perspective.The Unions where too big and too powerful they could actually bring down a Government and they did!.The power of the Unions had to be drastically reduced.'Maggie' emasculated the Unions'.The pendulum' has now swing entirely in the other direction which is equally as bad.
The coal mining industry (and countless jobs) has now gone in the UK we now import coal(despite sitting on coal mines)..this is the price we have paid for the transference of total power to the ruling class(some might call them the 'elites'.During the miners strike whole communities(not just the actual miners but their families and all who relied on the pits for their livlyhoods) were reduced to near or actual poverty levels.The policies of the Thatcher Government were divisive and actually accentuated the' North South' divide.
Since the' Thatcher years' we seem to have been constantly living on credit and the expectation that things would always 'get better' perhaps what is happening in Europe and further afield is a wake up call?.

8 April 2013 at 20:21  
Blogger michael north said...

The venomous splutterings of people like "regalize" remind me of when I came to loathe the left.It was when they attacked Mrs Thatcher for standing up to a tinpot military tyranny of the very type they purported to oppose. As it turned out, the Falklands war also brought freedom to the Argentines and I have no doubt there are many in Argentina who will be remembering that fact today.

8 April 2013 at 20:25  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Len, Maggie is not responsible for the idle coal mines today... hasn't been for a while. Why haven't they been restarted, under Labour or now the Tories? Oh, wait, you don't need coal anymore, do you? You got those Korean made windmills to grace your landscape with.

8 April 2013 at 21:04  
Blogger William said...

Margaret Thatcher came to power just in time, as the cancerous growth of socialism was reaching dangerous levels in the country. A tumour that ultimately destroys wealth, destroys jobs, destroys families, destroys hope, destroys lives. She never lost sight of the enemy within and was not afraid to wield the surgeon's knife.

The unions were holding the country to ransom and impoverishing us all. Even more so those they called out on strike. Margaret Thatcher wanted to deliver power to the working men and women of this country. The everyman.

She wanted free markets, not crony capitalism or the old school tie. And to blame her for the errors of Blair/Brown is extraordinary.

8 April 2013 at 21:19  
Blogger Corrigan said...

She wanted free markets, not crony capitalism or the old school tie

Yeah, and she really succeeded with that, didn't she? By the time she'd finished, anybody could be a crony capitalist, regardless of which school they'd attended, just so long as they had something for the politicians to wet their beaks in.

Grow up, William. Socialism and Capitalism grow from the same root, the belief that everything that happens in society is an outgrowth of market forces. You can't replace one poison with another and realistically expect a more favourable result.

8 April 2013 at 21:42  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

The Inspector has made his daily visit to Ben Cohen’s ‘annoyed benders’ site. I say, didn’t realise she was a Gay Icon. Must be the powerful feminine type business. Has them split down the middle, don’t you know. Anyway, there are some nasty pieces of work that post there, so beware.

pip pip !

8 April 2013 at 21:44  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Goodness! Such venom, such hatred...but enough of what I think of Gordon Brown. Here in Barchester I can report nobody has been dancing in the streets singing 'Ding Dong' songs or moaning that all our present day ills are down to the Iron Lady's policies of thirty years ago. Archdeacon Grantly has gone into deepest mourning and can be found sobbing his heart out in the Cloisters and Mr. Harding is dusting off a dirge or two in readiness for the Service of Remembrance in the cathedral next week. I shall take charge of course, so everything will be tickedy-boo and in good taste. So much nonsense is being spouted by Lefties, but what sort of Britain would we have had if the Blessed Margaret had not tackled the unions? One shudders to think. A Great Briton has passed away.

8 April 2013 at 22:57  
Blogger Digory Kirke said...

Hmm. Cutting out the cancerous growth of Trade Union power but killing communities was an acceptable price? Thatcher was a cultural revolutionist of the right and while the opposition was split could get into power on a minority of the popular vote. Her confrontationalist approach to Northern Ireland prolonged conflict and ultimately propelled Sinn Fein into the driving seat by marginalising the moderate SDLP.

But I suppose we can be grateful that her leadership of the Tories removed the threat of a right wing coup in Britain in the 1970s by implementing the agenda of smashing the unions as a tool to dismantle Britain's manufacturing industry for real estate and property speculation.

8 April 2013 at 23:00  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Let’s hope Maggie was the last female PM we ever have. Heart was in the right place but female logic unfettered, no thank you !

8 April 2013 at 23:13  
Blogger Oliver Nicholson said...

"Is it not true,that Oxford would not award her an honourary doctorate because she wanted to sort out the old boy network of keeping the Dons in grace and favour properties and the like,at the universities expense?"

No, it it's not true. Her honorary DCL was voted down because of what she did to emasculate the university system - it is possible to read the debates in Congregation in the University Gazette.

8 April 2013 at 23:25  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

A Christian perspective......?

She attempted to make greed into a virtue

She attempted to make selfishness "the norm"

My view is that the country was a very different after Maggie and not better in the way that people related to each other

I say this as a conservative. I don't think that we have ever recovered from Maggie T and we are not at all better off as a result.


8 April 2013 at 23:49  
Blogger Ivan said...

It appears that she took her hatred of the unions too seriously. Union bosses then were putting on airs, acting like minor potentates, and demanding privileges from British embassies on their jaunts overseas. It must have been personal for her as they had earlier in the 70s unseated a Conservative government. Arthur Scargill was an agitator and Communist sympathiser who thought he could bring her bring down, and she responded in kind. Nonetheless her scorched earth policy with respect to British industry accelerated its decline. Milton Friedman's voodoo economics as practised by Sir Keith was just a veil to take apart industrial business structures for the benefit of bankers, corporate raiders and other such parasites. Had the Japanese or Germans taken up Friedman's nostrums they would have no industrial combines to speak of.

She was not responsible for the class hatreds in British society, but she could have handled it more adroitly if she had not at every turn rubbed the faces of the unionised workers in the dirt. It engenders an implacable hatred that does nothing good for social cohesion.

On the international front she fought her wars for sensible reasons, the Falklands for sovereignty and in the Gulf to remove Saddam from Kuwait to protect oil supplies. This is quite unlike her successors, the inveterate liar Tony Blair whose actions have helped to scatter the Iraqi Christians, and the even more devious Cameron, who wants to extend the same franchise to the Syrian Christians.

For what it is worth I had at one time greatly admired her. (The Saudi King did too, though for different reasons.) I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ takes her up to his bosom and grants her eternal life.

9 April 2013 at 01:34  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your grace

Old Ernst is gobsmacked that most commenting on Maggie appear to forget the social amd financial chaos (sunny Jim amd old spiderbrows healey - cup on hand to IMF??? we were a failed nation) before she took over on 1979 and is even blamed for the end results of new labour's failings on their watch, taking forward the policies she introduced amd making a complete hash of them, such as selling the controlling gold share in the energy companies that allowed foreign companies/countries complete control of our infrastructure.

Heath, who allowed the country to be ruled by the power workers on any whim that tickled their fancy to flick a switch and put us back in the 19th century.

Trade unions that denied the common working man a job if a closed shop operated in the business, unless you had a member of the family already employed there.The general strikes that stopped the rest of us going to work to bury our dead or get the rubbish cleared off the streets, as we had no desire, unlike them, to bring the nation to it's knees. Nationalised industries that were a joke so that even the french built better cars and quicker etc than we by the 60-70s.

The coal mining community allowed to be ruled by the NUM and the nutjob Arthur Scargill to dictate to all the rest of the nation 'how it will be'. It's called unilateral destruction!

Selective amnesia by those who lived through it and the laughable outrage by those who never lived through those times as they were obviously to young to have known anything about that period is being disingenuous at best and outright lies at worst.

It appears we expect more from christian leaders and are prepared to judge them against Christ as the example yet are prepared to judge ourselves and our failings quite differently. This is what Christ meant about 'judge not least ye be judged!!! At least through yourself and your own failings in the mix?


"She attempted to make greed into a virtue

She attempted to make selfishness "the norm"" Rubbish. You confuse what she did with what others wanted to make of it. i.e (1 Timothy 6:10), starts "For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil" and yet becomes misquoted as “Money is the root of all evil.” Notice how “money” is substituted for “love of money” and “the root of all evil” is substituted for “a root of all kinds of evil.” These changes, while subtle, have an enormous impact on the meaning of the verse just as what have implied by your false application of her action to help make a person responsible for their life and not the world..

9 April 2013 at 01:35  
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9 April 2013 at 03:11  
Blogger John Magee said...

Lech Walesa, Pope John Paul II, President Ronald Reagan, and on this, the day she enters heaven, Lady Margaret Thatcher. What a great quartet they made during the 1980's defending freedom and the rights of the individual. A performance in courage which will not be repeated again in history for a long time. Let's hope we can find replacements for these four in the difficult times ahead for Western Christian Civilization. These four great Protestant/Roman Catholic hero's individually and collectively brought down the Berlin Wall, freed Central Europe from the shackles of Commumism after 1989 , and helped weaken the USSR until finally that evil empire fell to pieces and was swept into the ash bin of history on the last day of 1991. Lady Thatcher joins the two other hero's of this foursome now in heaven who stood up to Communism in the 1980's: Pope John Paul II and President Ronald Reagan. Deo Gratius... Only one person is still alive from this unique quartet of moral Christian leaders who brought down Communism in Central and Eastern Europe, which seems so long ago today in 2013, although it's been less than a quater of a century. That person is Lech Walesa. The man who started the Solidarity Movement in Poland in the 1970's. I hope Walesa has has a prominent place in St.Paul's Cathedral at the Memorial Service for Lady Thatcher he richly deserves, however, being a humble man that he is, Walesa will want to be lost in the congregation in that great cathedral. Left alone to honor this wonderful lady in his own mind and with his own prayers...

9 April 2013 at 03:16  
Blogger Harry-ca-Nab said...

She is having the last laugh...

The BBC and other media outlets are having to put aside the crude characterisations of her and face up to the fact that she saved this country and the West.

It is really good to hear BBC types having to acknowledge the 3 day week, mass strikes, rubbish in the streets, dead piling up, IMF in charge of the economy, Sick Man of Europe, privatised industry unions holding the country to ransom and destroying their industries in the process, the Falkland victory, the breaking of the Iron Curtain and dismantling of the Soviet Union.

Rest in Peace Margaret.

Our country is in your debt.

9 April 2013 at 06:13  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Misogyny is alive and well! Margaret Thatcher was treated appallingly by her own party. Un like other ex prime ministers who were offered lucrative remunerated position on boards etc she was reduced to giving lecture tours to make ends meet.No other prime minister has been treated in this way.It was simply because she was a woman.
All the accolades now are too late
and just showcase.

Misogyny is an evil that must be overcome if Christianity is to prevail.The Boy Club us in the way out.There will be more female heads of state in the future and misogynists are going to have to learn to live with it. There is no excuse any more for repressed homosexual misogynists hiding in the closet pooncing about in army uniforms posing as macho men living in denial.It is bad for both women and society.

9 April 2013 at 06:16  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Correction...The Boys Club is on the way out!

9 April 2013 at 06:18  
Blogger Tony B said...

I'd be interested to hear how her Christianity was compatible with her support of murderous dictators like Pinochet.

9 April 2013 at 07:34  
Blogger Tony B said...

Phil Roberts, I don't think I've ever known a conservative make comments like those before. Very refreshing.

9 April 2013 at 08:09  
Blogger David Hussell said...

John Magee,

I enjoyed reading your thought provoking short piece. Yes indeed, four courageous and visionary Christian leaders that took on and defeated tyranny, and demanded freedom. How far we have fallen since then !

9 April 2013 at 08:29  
Blogger Tony B said...

David Hussel. Pinochet?

9 April 2013 at 09:24  
Blogger IanCad said...

"--But the name of Margaret Thatcher - The Great Lady - is sure to endure on earth and reverberate throughout human history."

You don't by any chance happen to moonlilght for The North Korean News Agency do you YG?
A certain similarity of styles is evident in your remark above and this release from the DPRK:

"That is why the Korean people still uphold Kim Il Sung as the sun in high esteem and significantly celebrate his birth anniversary as the Day of the Sun."

Baroness Thatcher rose to power in the Conservative Party when the early manifestations of the debilitating syndrome known as GTD (Gross Testicular Deficiency) were emerging.
Sadly this distemper still persists. The only known cure is to keep changing leadership until someone of at least aveage ability is appointed.

9 April 2013 at 09:26  
Blogger genghis said...

Ave, Atque, Vale!

9 April 2013 at 10:16  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Tony B said...

"I'd be interested to hear how her Christianity was compatible with her support of murderous dictators like Pinochet.


Tony B said...

David Hussel. Pinochet?"

I always believed that, unfortunately, pinochet was a sop done for Reagan and the USA as the war on communism in S America was being fought...a poor choice indeed but we all make cringe worthy mistakes that haunt us, do we not, when the white never seemed whiter against the black.

Now, as atheism has never run a government except obviously as those wonderful communist states, who on their side would you say were visionary leaders that committed no wrong against the free world and are worthy of your sin free atheistic admiration.

Atheists always tend to forget in debate that their ideology has/is only ever in charge in the most brutal of dictatorships.

I agree with Cressie *Huge Gulps*


9 April 2013 at 11:03  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

‘It was a lovely morning. We have not had many lovely days. And the sun was just coming through the stained glass windows and falling on some flowers right across the church and it just occurred to me that this was the day I was meant not to see.’


9 April 2013 at 11:45  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

A friend, Toronto's Lord Conrad Black has an excellent artcle on Baroness Thatcher in Canada's National Post:

A good background to the tales many Brit "refugees" to Canada in the mid-70s told. Through my dad I met many English working folks, mechanical engineers and small business people whose lives were destroyed by the economy and the corrupt unions. Their rich language and personable warmth, not to mention capacity for piss-warm Newcastle Brown Ale was my first intro to Brits.

For the Corrigans and their claims, there are objective benchmarks to measure the state of a nation's economy, you know. It's not all opinion and anecdotal. The UK moved from a basket case nation to the 4the largest economy under Maggie, no matter how you slice it.

9 April 2013 at 12:32  
Blogger Julia Gasper said...

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9 April 2013 at 13:34  
Blogger Julia Gasper said...

@ Tony B. You say that Mrs T supported murderous dictators like Pinochet. I think she made a realpolitik alliance with him during the Falklands war in order to achieve a specific goal.
Someone above asks why Mrs T was denied a doctorate from Oxford University. At the time she was cutting the medical research grants of certain senior figures. However, in the more general sense she was loathed because Oxford, like most of our universities, is dominated by armchair Trots who vote Labour, have never done a real job in their lives and could not, collectively, run a market stall. They have got no idea how to run a business where money has to be earned, rather than taken from tax-payers and handed out as your "right".

9 April 2013 at 13:35  
Blogger len said...

Avi(,8 April 2013 21:04)

Coal in the UK - 2012

The UK consumed 64.1 million tonnes of coal in 2012, including 54.9 million tonnes in power stations.

Coal imports to the UK were 44.8 million tonnes, a large increase (+37.7%) on the previous year's amount, mainly as a result of a dramatic increase in electricity generated from coal. Indigenous production was 9.9% less than the previous year at 16.8 million tonnes. (Over the year, 3.0 million tonnes was lifted from stock, compared to 0.8 million tonnes in 2011.)

Coal-fired power stations provided 41% of the UK's electricity (gas 26%, nuclear 20%, others (including renewables) 13%).

9 April 2013 at 13:42  
Blogger len said...

Margaret Thatcher and peoples opinions of her policies are just as divisive now as they were then.
But whatever ones opinions of her policies her personal courage and determination demand respect.

9 April 2013 at 13:47  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Len, I'm aware that coal is an indispensable fuel for electricity generation in the UK and much of the world. There is no serious economy in the world that can count on "renewables" other than as baksheesh to political cronies and to power a few calculators. Why the UK imports it's coal, presumably from Poland, is a political question related to the buttery of environmentalism and cowtowing to UN and EU "climate change" shtiks. It's true that the late Mrs Thatcher bought into the global warming nonsense, but that was well before the pseudoscience and corruption behind it became evident, and again, Maggie's been out of government for how long, two decades?

9 April 2013 at 14:21  
Blogger Corrigan said...

Avi loves Maggie, and cites as inspiration that worthwhile human being, Conrad Black. As we say in Ireland, aithníonn ciaróg ciaróg eile.

9 April 2013 at 15:03  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

You flatter me, but this little beetle cannot hold a light to the accomplished and brilliant Lord Black.

9 April 2013 at 16:30  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Cressida at 06:16. Well you’ve convinced this man. Women such as yourself would bring a certain honed and intuitive clarity to boardroom thinking, no doubt about that !

Hardly surprising Maggie wasn’t offered boardroom roles in her retirement. Any perceived lack of performance on the firm’s part and she’d have got the receivers in…

So statesmanship aside, surely her lack of gainful employment after the glory days is her real epitaph regarding her domestic policies…

9 April 2013 at 17:28  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Gentlemen, it is with great sadness that the Inspector announces the passing away of the coal industry…

It’s not often that this man has a truly brilliant idea, but he had one back in 1984. If Thatcher had been convinced by the monetarists that coal mining was finished in the UK, due to productivity issues, then turn the pits over to the men. A sizable slice of the industry’s worth to be divided into shares for them. Scargill would have been trampled to death in the rush to get back, and the mining communities would have been given hope. ALL of them. All those pits and the kit underground wasted, millions of pounds worth. As soon as the pumps were turned off, all of it, lost.

Blasted woman !

9 April 2013 at 17:29  
Blogger Tony B said...


Since atheism isn't an ideology, and since I am not in fact an atheist, who cares?

9 April 2013 at 18:16  
Blogger Tony B said...

Julia G. I don't "say" she supported Pinochet, she did. When he was arrested for mass murder she publicly spoke in his favour. Perhaps she'd gone potty by then, mind you. Either way, I think it at least calls her supposed Christian principles to question.

9 April 2013 at 18:21  
Blogger Bernard deChartres said...

She was strong minded and once she decided on a direction she stuck with it to the end, regardless of what anyone said.
Some people admire this, for others it reminds them of the captain of the Titanic

9 April 2013 at 21:13  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Inspector @ 17.29 says, 'Gentlemen, it is with great sadness that the Inspector announces the passing away of the coal industry…'

Come on, laddie, just because your beloved puffer trains are now burning imported coal there's no need to lose sight of economic reality. Thatcher had the guts to do two things. Firstly she recognised that as the coal mines were all losing money (NCB had been captured by the unions) the taxpayers in the electorate were subsidising the coal-mining industry. To whose benefit? The answer is the largely Communist NUM. Secondly, Thatcher ended the threat to Britain's economy by agents of influence reporting to a foreign power. Bear in mind that this was in the middle of the Cold War. The TUC was run by the likes of Jack Jones who had fought in the International Brigade in Spain which was itself a project of Comintern. Did Jones ever change his allegiance? Of course not. Jones and his colleagues in the NUM were using the coal-industry to hold the British economy to ransom while being financed by the British tax-payer. Outrageous.

Thatcher's decision to shut down the coal industry was therefore correct on two fronts.

The pathetically naive such as Corrigan and yourself seem completely unable to grasp that by breaking the power of the unions Thatcher stopped the industrial effort of the UK being crippled by trade union leaders who reported to the UK's principle enemy at the time. Any other course of action by a British PM would have been grossly irresponsible at that point in history. After all, Thatcher's predecessors, Heath and Callaghan, had both seen their governments destroyed by the actions of the NUM. Thatcher had the guts to take on the NUM and win, ending their racket.

No amount of misogyny on your part can alter that fact, for which you should be eternally grateful.

Watching miners leaders on TV raving on about the destruction of their communities shows that they still don't get it either. The truth is that either previously when mining coal or now when on the dole they were/are living off the taxpayer.

Acting on behalf of the taxpayer, Thatcher simply said, 'Enough!'. The smarter miners worked this out and retrained themselves. Slow learners of various stripes still seem to hope for a proletarian revolution. It ain't coming.

9 April 2013 at 21:38  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

You wicked hound. You are playing fast and loose with the livelihoods of decent British stock, who were not members of the Socialist International. So their leaders were communists, so you punish everyone do you ? You would have served well as one of the deranged iron maiden’s lieutenants. In the meantime, this man would have been organising them to be on HIS side.

And the result of all this nonsense, the Conservatives having difficulty achieving a majority government after years of Labour mismanagement ?

And today, why, we import coal, of course...

9 April 2013 at 21:57  
Blogger starcourse said...

I have no doubt that she was a sincere believer. I remember her coming to our local church in St Merryn and sitting quietly at the back - no fuss no press.

9 April 2013 at 22:04  
Blogger non mouse said...


I believe she had a difficult job; I believe she did better than many of those who preceded and succeeded her.

Now she stands before the One who knows exactly what she did.


9 April 2013 at 23:20  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


You are playing fast and loose with the livelihoods of decent British stock

They were producing poor-quality coal from obsolete mines. Modernization was cost-prohibitive. They had no customers for their product. The mines were simply not price competitive. Now, I suppose the government could have forced people to buy their coal, but that simply hides the cost and impacts the livelihood of other workers. So what would you have otherwise done?


10 April 2013 at 04:48  
Blogger len said...

I wonder if the claim that the mines where not 'cost effective' and they were producing 'low grade coal'was merely a Governmental ploy to persuade the public of the 'authenticity' of the Governments move to shut down working mines and throwing thousands of people out of work?.

'Steam boilers and 'producer gas' generators were designed to use the low-value small stuff from about an inch cube (25mm cube) down to dust but a mix of this with some larger lumps was usually supplied. Gas works used coal graded from about 8 inches cube down to dust and electricity generating stations took small sizes, a mix called Rough Slack consisting of three inch cubes down to dust being most common.'

Perhaps we could be having lower cost energy (and self sufficiency) with more coal fired generating stations?.We have incinerators burning tons of waste with no apparent detrimental affect on the environment.

10 April 2013 at 07:43  
Blogger William said...

" a Governmental ploy to persuade the public of the 'authenticity' of the Governments move to shut down working mines and throwing thousands of people out of work?."

Unemployment. That's a novel political strategy Len.

10 April 2013 at 08:08  
Blogger William said...

I don't think that welfare dependency was really her (hand) bag.

10 April 2013 at 08:34  
Blogger Corrigan said...

British industry, Blue Boy? What bloody industry? She destroyed it in her maniacal hatred of anyone with a pound less than her darling daddy. That's why you'll spend you life asking people like me if I want fries with that.

10 April 2013 at 12:33  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


The owners of those generators and boilers did not want to purchase British coal. That was the source of the problem. The mines couldn't compete with imported coal. Why was that the case?


10 April 2013 at 13:28  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

For information, the UK economy's GDP is $2,400 billion. Per head that is $38,000... sterling is still one of the major traded currencies in the world... Exports $479 billion a year, importing $640 billion a year and that's what needs to be tackled. But to ask where 'the bloody industry is', seems strange.

True the banking sector needs extremely radical reform and there is a need to realign exports with growing markets outside of Europe.

10 April 2013 at 14:17  
Blogger Harry-ca-Nab said...

Inspector - Labour closed down more pits than Thatcher did. In fact, if they hadn't got one eye on their electorate they would have cut the subsidies and closed more.

The industry was well into decline before she was even elected.

I do however like your idea of turning the pits over to the miners - they'd have had no truck with strikes, or the unions, if it was their own profit they were losing.

10 April 2013 at 14:28  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Avi,

The comment at,9 April 2013 14:21. Brilliant! I would say we could ditch coal for new nuclear power plants (not uranium fired ones). We do need natural gas and petroleum for the foreseeable future though (unless we do a Germany and convert coal to synthetic gas/petrol).

10 April 2013 at 14:34  
Blogger michael north said...

I worked in a South Wales coal mine in the mid-1970s, and can testify to the Soviet-style squalor and waste, as well as the lousy relations with management. It had been opened in the white heat of Wilsonism, involving the closing of numerous small local pits, and had lost money from day one.

Reality would have broken in, sooner or later, even under Labour. The Tower colliery in Gwent was taken over by the men after the disastrous 1984 strike, and they did very well out of it. With proper leadership, that could have been more widely done, but the most bolshie miners, in Yorkshire and South Wales, chose to follow a Stalinist buffoon called Scargill, who survived the wreck, without even a loss of breath.

10 April 2013 at 17:03  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

You strict monetarist types are a cruel lot. The economic system we use is the SERVANT of the people, not its damn master. The coal that was mined was coal. The mines mainly dated from the time when capitalist venturers sank them. If the stuff was good enough for them to risk their money finding it, it should be good enough for us to use it. A similar argument could be made about British milk. European milk is cheaper, due to their standards at the farm being inferior. So we should eat every last dairy cow on this Island then ?

Don’t think this man didn’t see through the lies going around in 1984 / 1985, and don’t think he wasn’t aware of the conservatives hatred of the miners for political reasons. And don’t think for one minute it was not lost on this man that Scargill’s precarious hold on the strike could have been easily broken. And the way to have broken it was to make the men shareholders in their own mine ! If the mine failed thereafter, the government would have been off the hook. Revolutionary or pragmatic cunning ?

And for the mathematically minded here’s a formula you might want to keep in mind…

Home Produced Coal is_cheaper_than Foreign coal + Unemployment benefit

Rather straightforward, but too obvious for the likes of you lot…

10 April 2013 at 18:50  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Hannah, don't write off the age of coal yet, the black rock is still the most economic fuel supply and we have plenty of it. The technology has come a long way since Europe was covered in soot... see Clean Coal (TM)...and we can extract more kilojewels from low grade coals and peats. Africa is sitting on top of stpendous reserves and if it wasn't for the UN efforts to kill the sector with imaginary CO2 panic, Africa would be on it's feet. The most enraging tv ad I saw was of an aid agency seeking funds for young middle class white snots to travel to Africa and install solar panels to power a single bare lightbulb per family. These peaple want and can have megawatts to power their lives...industry, transportation, air conditioning, power appliances, agriculture. Showing a bunch of africans in hand me down rags dancing with the activists fops around a lightbulb made me want to hurl. Time to crash the UN and kick its lapdog, the EU in its tiny nuts.

10 April 2013 at 19:02  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

Typical of nationalists like Corrigan to put the UK down. Well chap, I see that Ireland is going through a wonderful time/economic boom, after being dictated to by Germany, sorry the EU...

10 April 2013 at 19:03  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...


Ignore Corrigan Lord Black is now a free man and deserves to live his life without the slurs of the past.

10 April 2013 at 19:06  
Blogger len said...

Wiiliam said,'Unemployment. That's a novel political strategy Len.'
(10 April 2013 08:08)

I think you have grasped the concept William... look around you its happening everywhere.....again.

10 April 2013 at 19:26  
Blogger len said...

I believe thousands of tons of concrete were poured down the mines just to make sure all the equipment was destroyed and to make sure the mines were never opened again.

So now we buy foreign coal and foreign oil..makes lots of sense yes?

10 April 2013 at 19:30  
Blogger len said...

A bit 'off thread' I know but;' Coal' seems to be held almost in contempt by some people but as we are sitting on mountains of it in the UK and elsewhere perhaps we should take another look at' coal'.Liquid fuels have been made from coal. The process was developed by two German scientists, Franz Fischer and Hans Tropsch, working at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in the 1920s. At the time there was a shortage of oil in Germany, forcing research into alternative ways of producing liquid fuels. However, coal was plentiful, and Fischer and Tropsch discovered a way to convert coal to a mixture of gases (syngas) and then to liquid hydrocarbon fuel i.e. gasoline, diesel and kerosene (jet fuel).Perhaps it is time to look at this process again?.,

10 April 2013 at 19:47  
Blogger IanCad said...

I do believe that the South Africans are the biggest users of the process.

10 April 2013 at 20:12  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Avi,

Just on the treadmill at the gym! So full post later. But, I agree with you.... and Len has read my post too when I had written "unless we do a Germany and convert coal to synthetic gas/petrol"...

10 April 2013 at 20:47  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Inspector @ 21.57 says, 'You are playing fast and loose with the livelihoods of decent British stock,'.

That statement doesn't cut it.

The true perpetrators of deception were the leaders of the NUM who were able to exploit the unique and introverted nature of mining communities. This communicant has been down a coal mine and watched a longwall mining machine at work, with attendant cracking sounds in the roof. There is no doubt that underground mining is an exceptionally dangerous trade that breeds an espirit de corps such as that found in the military. Mining villages were possessed of a culture that reflected this espirit de corps amongst the menfolk. Having won the confidence of these less than highly educated miners and their families, the NUM leadership were able to sell their agenda without risk of critical analysis.

Thatcher, who rose from the lower middle-class via grammar school and Oxford to the absolute pinnacle of the UK, would undoubtedly have had greater understanding and empathy with the miners' predicament than you show. This point conveniently escapes Thatcher's critics, most of whom have a vested interest in the perpetual enslavement and domination of the proleteriat.

Thatcher set the proleteriat free. Of course, not all wish to be free and there are always those who prefer servitude than the right to plough their own furrow. So be it.

Regarding UK energy supplies, one needs to take a holistic approach. If an activity is uneconomic, don't do it, there is after all a net loss to the economy rather than a net gain. In a competitive global economy there is no benefit in a self-imposed handicap such as mining coal at a loss when cheaper product can be bought.

The energy contained in old coal measures can possibly be exploited by drilling and releasing the contained gas for collection. It's called coal seam gas extraction. Far safer, cheaper and more likely to be profitable than mining coal at great depth, in addition to which there are opportunities for shale gas.

Meanwhile in the National Mining Museum the die-hards will continue their re-enactment of eighteenth century mining techniques, in a cloud of coal dust and misplaced nostalgia.

Hopefully their children will receive an education that enables them to think for themselves and break free from outdated tradition.

'And the result of all this nonsense, the Conservatives having difficulty achieving a majority government after years of Labour mismanagement?'

Well, Thatcher won three terms from 1979 and John Major rode her franchise until 1996, a total of 17 years. It took 14 years for the British electorate to wake up to the lies and incompetence of Blair's New Labour project.

One thing you can say about Thatcher and the Conservatives, they did not hold the British people in contempt and seek to swamp the country with third world mendicants who would vote Labour in perpetual gratitude.

10 April 2013 at 21:04  
Blogger Peter D said...

Ode to Lady Thatcher

At the time, I was young and didn't understand. Now I do.

O flower of Britain
When will we see your like again
That fought and strived for
All our hills and glens
And stood against them
Proud Scargill's army
And sent them homeward
Tae think again

The hills are bare now
And autumn leaves lie thick and still
O'er land near lost now
Which you so dearly held
And stood against them
Proud Scargill's army
And sent them homeward
Tae think again

Those days are passed now
And in the past they must remain
But we can still rise now
And be a great nation again
That stands against them
Proud Cameron's army
And sent them homeward
Tae think again

God Rest Mr's T.

10 April 2013 at 22:56  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Hannah and Lord L, I'm tied up nowtoo, on route. Stopped at Macdonalds,incognito for their decent coffee (coffee and pop are kosher, but nothing else is). It occured to me that modernity with its endless variety of delicious smelling treife food challenges the Yid's willpower, discipline and ok, fear of The Big Guy too, as no other period in history. Us Sabbath keepers and kosher munchers should be all beatified as a matter of routine. Wow, they seem to have some rib burger thingies here....

Anyway, yes Lord L, Corrigan seems to have it for Maggie. Betcha he doesn't know that she was the last true suporter of Israel too.... hahaha!

10 April 2013 at 23:16  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


Betcha he doesn't know that she was the last true suporter of Israel too.... hahaha!

Oh, I bet he does. Now he will take off on that tangent as well. Corrigan seems to have come unhinged by the mere mention of Margaret Thatcher's name. It makes his argumentation about Israel almost seem ... rational. And that is quite a feat.


10 April 2013 at 23:36  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Avi,

Poor you for having to stop at a Macdee's for sustenance!

As for Corrigan. Well. He clearly has Anglophobia; the English are the jackboot conquerors who don't care about Scotland, Wales or Ireland- even though a lot of English people live in those places and a lot of Scots, Irish, Welsh live in England....

You see we are really living in a Yugoslavia in which the English tyranny dictates to the rest of the UK and from time to time go on a bout of genocide to prove the point.

It's not like Wales,Scotland or Northern Ireland have their own Parliaments or Assemblies.

In fact the only bit of the UK which doesn't have self government is, erm, England.

11 April 2013 at 00:15  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Hmmm. I'm a bit busy now, Carl, or else I'd send him a link to a Proddie neighbourhood in Belfast...with hundreds of Israeli flags blowing in the wind. Some day someone will explain that one to me.

11 April 2013 at 00:16  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

"Now he will take off on that tangent as well".

Funny how Corrigan wants to break up the UK, but wants to impose a 'one state' solution on Israel... who'd have thought he'd really be in some sense a 'unionist'?

11 April 2013 at 00:16  
Blogger Manfarang said...

"Some day someone will explain that one to me."
Many Protestants in NI feel marginalised and isolated by the peace process.

11 April 2013 at 09:39  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Thanks M. I wonder if their attitude is an affinity for Israel, or a desire to annoy the Provos, who've become bum-boys to their patrons, the PLO.

11 April 2013 at 17:15  
Blogger Elaine Housby said...

I have often thought that Thatcher's sale of previously nationalised assets - which, however justified economically, mainly benefited some fairly unattractive people on the make - bore a strong resemblance to the land-grab by the rising gentry which followed the Dissolution of the Monasteries and explained much of their support for the Reformation. So it feels natural that a blogger who positions himself in the tradition of that Reformation would feel warmly about Thatcher. Personally I find it hubristic and tawdry for a blogger to hide behind the name of such a great man as Thomas Cranmer.

11 April 2013 at 18:57  
Blogger John Magee said...

Scottish, Welsh, and even the the Provisional IRA nationalist groups are supported by the left or once had their support. It's an odd time we live in when the far left supports nationalist groups to accomplish their goal which is to break up the United Kingdom and throw a broken Britain to the mercy of the EU jackels. Communists will do anything to destroy Western Christian Civilization including becoming nationalists if it temporarily suits their goals or even ally themselves with radical Islam.

Since most Jews tend to be liberal or left wing it makes me wonder how many British Jews voted for Lady Thatcher from 1979 to 1990? In the last election in the USA over 85% of American Jews voted for the most anti Israel President since Israsel was created in 1948Then Obama goes to Israel recently and they give him a medal instead of kicking his ass out of the country...My guess is the same percentage of British Jews voted Labor when Lady Thatcher was PM as American Jews vote for liberal Democrats and Obama which was the overwhelming majority. I don't know if this is tue. Enlighten me please. To be fair Obama probably has about 10% support among Israel Jews and the award and medal he got when he visted Israel a few weeks ago was because of a lot of arm twisting of the present Israeli government by wealthy and influential American Jews. Or maybe Obama promised to secretly release from a Federal Prison the American Jewish traitor and spy for Israel and the USSR. A man named Jonathan Pollard...

14 April 2013 at 20:44  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

John Magee,

FYI, Mrs Thatcher was the MP for Finchley in London for 33 years....which is a constituency with a large Jewish population...

17 April 2013 at 18:40  

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