Wednesday, May 22, 2013

Those proposing EU 'reform' must put up or shut up

From Brother Ivo:

On Sunday His Grace identified Lord Howe as 'unhelpful' to the Prime Minister, through a combination of abuse of opponents and a slavish commitment to an institution that many on his own side recognise as deeply flawed and desperately in need of reform for the sake of those wishing to remain within it.

As that post was being offered, Lord Mandelson was being interviewed on the Jeremy Vine show where he did his best to be avuncular and wise, assuring the interviewer, that he had been a European Trade Commissioner, and nobody needed to tell him about the institutional failings that needs to be addressed.

Unfortunately, he did not go on to share with us what those problems and necessary reforms might be, and neither, sadly, did Mr Vine press him to explain to the nation what he had in mind.

Herein lies a deep flaw at the heart of the Europhile case.

Brother Ivo often observes that it is one's best friends who are willing to tell us the hardest truths, and may God bless those who love us enough to reprove us, not in anger, but with wisdom and true pastoral care.

If the big beasts of yesteryear who have sustained the Pro-European dream for the past half century know these necessary truths, the identification of which are needed to make the Euro-Leviathan leaner and more fit for purpose, why are they being so reticent about making these helpful suggestions more widely known so that confidence in the EU may be more widely developed?

Brother Ivo has heard - but does not know if it be true - that former servants of the EU risk their pensions if they use their insider knowledge to bite the hand that feeds them. If that is true, then it gives us all the more cause for suspicion when we hear from the likes if Lords Mandelson and Patten. If not, it serves only to show how widespread is the suspicion of an institution that has consistently failed to deliver properly-audited accounts for decades. They need to re-establish their credibility if they seek to be taken seriously in this debate.

Whatever one's views on the ultimate fate of the UK within the EU, we know that it delivers crony capitalism in copious quantities, most recently illustrated by the plans to require restaurants to serve olive oil only in designated and marked containers.

Such nonsense is not of the Euro-sceptics' making, though they immediately see the fruits of industrial manufacturers' lobbying to the detriment of the quality small artisanal producer. Lords Howe, Patten and Mandelson have to engage seriously with how and why this kind of nonsense can happen and how it is to be stopped.

If the erstwhile great-and-the-good seek to preserve the UK within the EU, they need to do more than stand on their dignity and past reputations. They need to offer us analysis and substance. With Lord Lawson characteristically setting out his reasons for changing his mind in these matters, he implicitly challenges his colleagues to 'show their workings'.

There are some who believe and assert that necessary and helpful change is both identifiable and deliverable. If so, they have a duty to offer a comprehensive critique. If Lord Mandelson 'knows' what needs to be done, let him tell the Prime Minister - and us - in plain terms. Not to do so is a betrayal of the cause he purports to be able to sustain.

It was Lord Howe who famously likened Margaret Thatcher to the cricket captain sending his batsman out having broken his bat in advance. He and others are now sending David Cameron in to bat without any bat all.

If these grandees know how to end the nonsense, make the EU honest, and clip the wings of the proud, over-mighty and corrupt, let them help Mr Cameron with a comprehensive programme which he can use as his negotiation checklist as he enters discussion.

If they cannot or will not do this, then a little less patronising rhetoric would be welcome.

(Posted by Brother Ivo)


Blogger graham wood said...

Excellent comment Bro Ivor.
Our Europhile addicts of all thins EU, including Mr Cameron in particular, 'show us their workings'.

Why for example has not DC and his cabinet colleagues not begun to identify the areas of "negotiation" to bring to the EU table?

Why is there as yet no transparency so that the British public are informed.

Will he negotiate the size of cucumbers allowed, or the maximum height and colour of garden gnomes?

More seriously, does he wish to repatriate the CFP, or the CAP, for example, or to ask for a complete scrapping of the 100,000 EU "directives" which constrain and cripple British business?

Would he also be prepared to re-negotiate our massive net contributions to the EU budget which are still forced upon British taxpayers? The list is endless.

One thing he is NOT prepared to negotiate is the return of national self independence. He has no spine for that.

22 May 2013 at 10:19  
Blogger David Hussell said...

A vital contribution to the debate Your Grace.
All the signs are that the EU is fundamentally incapable of serious root and branch reform because of the rigidity of its architecture, based on French humanist political philosophy and its unassailable doctrine of "ever closer" union. It is at heart a political project for unification, the creation of a super state with draconian powers over all its citizens who will not enjoy the protection of an intervening nation state, because they will be no more. In order to achieve this goal it is prepared to carry out whatever expediencies are needed, at whatever human cost, to prop up its economically and politically illiterate dream of a project.
It's pensioners will, in my judgement, never tell us the full truth because it is, in essence, not concerned with the unwashed masses or true democracy, or mere practicalities, but with the elite, who want to control us all, because like the redefinition of marriage lobby, they are utterly confident that they know best what is good for us. That reflects the arrogant thinking of its founders who aimed to achieve their goal by stealth.
No the truth, your "workings" , YG, will never be revealed, not in a fashion that can be rationally analysed or challenged anyway.We are just asked to trust them because they are our intellectual and moral betters. It is a great deception being carried out with consummate skill, but some of the people are beginning to see it for what it is.

22 May 2013 at 10:23  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Are you seriously suggesting that the EU is secretive & corrupt? No one will believe you!!!

22 May 2013 at 13:12  
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22 May 2013 at 13:12  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

Easier said than done.
Has anyone else here heard of:
"The Iron Law of Bureaucracy" ??
If not - try here:

The EU has morphed from what I voted for, back in the '70's to a classic bureacracy ...
Now what?

22 May 2013 at 14:42  
Blogger alan said...

From the staff regulations of the EU: Article 16 "An official shall, after leaving the service, continue to be bound by the duty to behave with integrity and
discretion as regards the acceptance of certain appointments or benefits."

Article 17: "1. An official shall refrain from any unauthorised disclosure of information received in the line of duty, unless
that information has already been made public or is accessible to the public.
2. An official shall continue to be bound by this obligation after leaving the service."

There's more of this -- see‎. I suspect that all civil services have such clauses in their staff regs.

22 May 2013 at 15:23  
Blogger James Reade said...

Ah, so the EU is bad because it produces bizarre regulations like the olive oil case (which does indeed whiff of crony capitalism). The eurosceptic however doesn't appear to recognise that in the absence of EU regulations, there would be crony capitalist regulations imposed by the UK government. What leads one to think they would be any better?

As for that analysis you're desperately seeking regarding the EU? Funnily enough, it's quite simple. It's that as a firm operating in a market, you want to reach as many customers as you can at a minimal cost.

Therefore do you want to exit a common market of 500m customers and limit yourself to one of 70m?

Therefore do you want a vast amount of resources devoted to negotiating trade deals with the countries of the world just to re-instigate the position the UK gets from within the EU?

Do we want our SMEs having to work out all the Rules of Origin regulations surrounding trade with the EU should we leave?

Just wondering. The reality is that it's the eurosceptics that need to offer some analysis. Some counter-factuals - what would we actually get if we left the EU? Why should we believe we can just become a Norway or Switzerland? Why would we want to?

22 May 2013 at 15:29  
Blogger John Wrake said...

A reply to James Reade at 15:29 22 May.
I offer an analysis. A fact- British membership of the E.U. is contrary to the English Constitution and is, by definition therefore, unlawful.
E.U. terms, regulations, forms, institutions are, by that same fact, unlawful for British citizens, who are all bound by the terms of the English Constitution.
Fact - those who have signed treaties purporting to share the Sovereignty of Great Britain with other nations have committed acts of treason, since they acted contrary to their ability as set out in The Bill of Rights 1689.
Fact - Sovereignty is not in the gift of Parliament. The Bill of Rights was only the ratification of a contract between Monarch and people.
Fact - membership of the E.U. is contrary to the Queen's Coronation Oath to govern according to our laws and customs. Laws instituted by foreign courts have no validity here,
since obedience to them because of our membership of the E.U. is obedience to what is unlawful and is treason against the Crown.
Fact - We have no need to be like Norway or Switzerland. We are Great Britain.

John Wrake

22 May 2013 at 16:21  
Blogger David Hussell said...

John Wrake,
I only wish that your legal position was honoured, but it is not, that is the reality. It is now a question of extricating ourselves from the appalling euro confusion that we have been tricked into most stealthily by conniving, dishonest politicians.
Ukip is the only party dedicated to achieving our independence again and it represents our best and only realistic hope.

22 May 2013 at 16:37  
Blogger graham wood said...

John Wrake: "I offer an analysis. A fact- British membership of the E.U. is contrary to the English Constitution and is, by definition therefore, unlawful."

A good and accurate comment.

I believe you are entirely correct and that when the time comes for a government with enough principle and guts to take us out - then that same Constitution can and should be invoked.

22 May 2013 at 17:19  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

You CAN’T reform the bloody thing !

But trading with what’s left of the EU after we leave will be no problem. What do people think will happen ? Import tariffs, a blockade, an economic war. Absolute rot.

Of course, we will still have to send them money to keep their empire going, and to be allowed to trade with them. Take away the UK 55 million a day, and it’s them who are finished, not the UK. One thinks you’ll find we will have very favourable trading terms with them. A bit like what we wanted in 1975, and voted for. Obviously, the 55 million will reduce on a sliding scale year by year, to an acceptable level.

But we will be free of them. Free to prosper in a world where Britain on its own still counts for an awful lot. Free of a Europe the Germans want to dominate. We had our empire, allow them theirs now, and let them the free hand they always wanted. They’ll need it, if they are going to save Europe from Islam…

You socialist liberal proto Marxists, or whatever you call yourselves these days will have to find another set of coat tails to climb onto in your quest to turn the UK people into communists, and gay ones at that.


22 May 2013 at 17:50  
Blogger John Wrake said...

David Hussell at 16:37.
To speak of extricating ourselves from an unhonoured legal state sounds as if we have some tortuous path to follow, hedged about by difficulty.
We do not. We are not subject to foreign domination. We are freeborn English, Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish citizens, subject to our lawful Queen.
If those who claim to represent us, whatever Party they belong to, do not return to the Rule of Law and rescind all previous unlawful legislation, they must be replaced. This is not a request, but a demand.

John Wrake

22 May 2013 at 18:31  
Blogger michael north said...

The small number of comments on this thread is evidence of the secret of the success of the EU confidence trick. Most normal people find it so boring that they stop listening when politicians(and the few real people who care about it) raise the matter.

We will exit when the collapse of the single-currency fantasy becomes too obvious to airbrush away. That moment is approaching even faster than the disappearance of Cameron over the side of the Tory ship.

22 May 2013 at 19:26  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Our energy companies are owned by France, railways owned by Germany, car manufacturing owned by India, Japan and Germany, steel industry owned by India and in hock to the Arabs for gas and oil - there is nothing worth considering as British owned making any thing any more. If the Financial Sector is hi-jacked we will be well and truly rubber ducked. We need to be inside the tent.
Considering then that most of British manufacturing industry is foreign owned, what would it take for any them to close down their plants and move them to the like of Bulgaria if, by the UK leaving the EU they lost access to the European market - not bloody much.
Dave is right that we need to be in the EU and to ferment a culture of revision for Europe fit for the 21st Century; it's too late to turn the clock back - the old Europe and old-world order is long dead.

22 May 2013 at 19:26  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Inspector. Well said , that's the spirit. We must keep up the momentum towards freedom.

John. I agree totally with you and like you consider myself "freeborn". However the tortuous path is not so much the legal and constitutional position, of which you correctly remind us, but the political dance needed which is being taken, and has been taken for over 20 years now, by those who are and have been fighting an uphill battle against the entire establishment , including the Tory Party, in order to bring us to the point where the metropolitan elite is ousted, or forced by events to bow to the will of the people, democratically. Then we can with one bound break free. Surely you can see that politically this is not just an easy press a button, invoke the constitution situation?
Ukip and just a few others have been battling away for 20 years and only now are starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel, but we still have to get to that exit point, and there are many forces ranged against us, or do you know something denied to the rest of us?

22 May 2013 at 20:35  
Blogger John Wrake said...

Dreadnaught at 19:26
You have the wrong name! You have clearly given in.
Dave as you call him is wrong, as a vote of I against 26 will foment nothing. The old Europe is still Europe and we should not concern ourselves with world orders - old or new.
Great Britain is as capable of standing up for itself now as it was in 1940. Our nation is not just about money, it is about character and the people with faith in God who made us great before.
Give in if you like. I will not.

John Wrake

22 May 2013 at 20:46  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Good man David Hussell. One is left continually scratching his head from the Europhiles claiming if this country left the EU, we would be economically dead in the water. All socialists of course – the people who don’t do anything of value themselves...

22 May 2013 at 20:47  
Blogger Jack Sprat said...

More chance of Peter Tatchell going on a gay cure and turning straight,than the EU getting "reformed".

22 May 2013 at 22:20  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

John Wrake

I am a realist Mr Wrake unlike yourself a fantasist, with his head firmly stuck in the past. I note you do not challenge my assessment the state of British Industry yet you offer no alternative strategy, just so much hot air.

23 May 2013 at 01:34  

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