Sunday, June 16, 2013

Iran: Hassan Rouhani is neither moderate nor reformist


The media are virtually unanimous in hailing the 'free and fair' election of the 'moderate' and 'reformist' cleric Hassan Rouhani as Iran's new President. This gives hope, they believe, of positive engagement on human rights and a halt to Iran's nuclear programme.

In fact, there will be no change. The media seem to forget that Iran has a Supreme Ruler - Ayatollah Khamenei - who rules over and above any democratically-elected president, and he is no benign Anglican force. He will find having a fellow Shia cleric as President more than a little convenient, especially as they both go back a long way - to the Combatant Clergy Association, in fact, which was established to overthrow the Shah.

There are no constitutional checks and balances in Iran of the sort we have between the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, the House of Lords, the House of Commons and the Judiciary. A Shia cleric as President with a Shia Ayatollah as Supreme Ruler will combine to perpetuate Shia theological conservatism to the detriment of all minorities. Rouhani is no Shia Luther: like Ahmadinejad, he is simply another Khamenei political puppet. This is not a victory for moderation or reformation, but the affirmation of judicial barbarism, the perpetuation of terrorism and the propagation of religious extremism.

In order to stand in the election at all, Hassan Rouhani needed to be screened by Iran's ‘Guardian Council’ - an unelected body of clerics and jurists that vets election candidates - under the guidance of the Supreme Leader. This ‘Guardian Council’ naturally denies bias, but it ensures that all candidates will maintain ‘Islamic values’. In Iran, this includes the nuclear drive, for it alone can ensure national glory and eternal salvation for the glory of Allah. And we are not talking here of enriching uranium for some civilian energy programme, but the production of a bomb by which Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei may ‘wipe Israel off the map’, welcome the 12th Imam, and usher in the new Islamic era. And if readers and communicants wish to know more about those who fail to live up to these 'Islamic values', he commends the work of the Iran Liberty Association (but warns strongly that their videos are profoundly disturbing).

Cleric Hassan Rouhani is a pious man, devoted like all Shias to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam. This President, like the previous one, believes that his government must prepare the country for the Imam's return. All streams of Islam believe in a divine saviour, known as the Mahdi, who will appear at the End of Days in the company of Isa (Jesus). But President/Cleric Rouhani pledged himself with Ayatollah Khamenei decades ago to work for the return of the Mahdi. Indeed, Iran's military involvement in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq is purposely designed to agitate against Israel to hasten the Last Day. Iran's dominant ‘Twelver’ sect believes the Mahdi will be Mohammed ibn Hasan, regarded as the 12th Imam and descendant of the Prophet Mohammed.

Iran’s entire theo-political agenda is driven by Shia theology which is guarded by clerics who ensure that all legislation complies with Islamic law. And when it comes to foreign policy, this can only mean one thing for Israel, for they hold to the divine promise made in the Al-Israa Sura (Sura 17) that they will liberate the Al-Aqsa Mosque - the first 'Kaba' to the Muslims - and will enter it as they have entered it the first time (Sura 17, ayat 7). And the prophetic foundation is the message of Mohammed that Islam will enter every house and will spread over the entire world.

They are dedicated and pledged with their lives to the ‘liberation of Palestine’ - all of Palestine.

This is Iran’s final solution.

So, don't be fooled by a new, kinder face in Iran's Presidential Palace: he won't stop hanging teenage boys, stoning women, or building nuclear bombs. Nothing will change. The ruling Mullahs have increased control, and the target remains Israel.

105 Comments:

Blogger Bob said...

Change will eventually come to pass - it always does. In the meantime, we must do all we can to send out positive vibes into the universe, as this benefits ourselves as much as it benefits others.

"The primary cause of unhappiness is never the situation but thought about it. Be aware of the thoughts you are thinking."

-Eckhart Tolle

Something to consider.

:)

Peace.

16 June 2013 11:17  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Twice in one week now Cranmer has shown he understands the reality and deep complexity of the modus operandi of 'The Religion of Peace'.

No amount of 'moderate' Muslims at home in the UK or anywhere else for that matter will stop the Jihadist guys with the guns. Iran is backing Assad in Syria to hold the line in the genocidal Shia-Sunni sectarian war. The atrocious death toll is a Muslims only construction that has nothing to do with the fight for freedom and democracy as we understand the meaning of the words.

We should not get involved in any shape or form as we would only unite the warring parties as we did in Iraq. We can't even sort out our own 'radicalised youths' why in the name of reason should we assume we can influence the outcome of the Middle East power struggle. We are ideologically, militarily and fiscally bankrupt.

Not one more penny or drop of British blood should be squandered on Islam's internal battles when we can't even guarantee the safety and respect for our own returning troops on the streets of the capital city.

16 June 2013 11:45  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Dreadnaught:

Ever see 'Full Metal Jacket'? The Officer who says, "Inside every Gook there's an American, trying to get out."

Our Western elites seem to have the same attitude towards Islam: "Inside every Muslim there's a liberal.." etc. Hence the need to interfere.

For myself, I agree with your last sentence.

16 June 2013 12:07  
Blogger bluedog said...

Well said, Dreadnaught @ 11.45. The Syrian civil war could easily emerge as a major flash point in the rivalry between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Best to let them fight it out, and the sooner the better. Absolutely essential to avoid any Western involvement, although volunteers from the Western Ummah should be actively encouraged to pay the ultimate price in their loyalty to the fanatical cult of their choice. On strict condition they only fight in Syria and travel to Syria invalidates any prospect of a return to the West. A cohort of well-trained Muslim veterans of foreign Muslim wars would be highly undesirable.

Bob the Buddhist, does your wife ever tell you to give all those back-numbers of Readers Digest in the garage to a charity?

16 June 2013 12:08  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

Dreadnaught, well said. As for the shi'te and sunni forms if the religion of war, as I think Mr Kissinger once said, it's a pity they both can't lose.

16 June 2013 12:20  
Blogger Bob said...

@bluedog

"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle."

-Albert Einstein

Peace.

;)

16 June 2013 12:24  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...


Bluedog. Excellent thinking.

Any home grown muslim who travels to fight abroad to be stripped of their British nationality. Never to return here again. Never.

16 June 2013 12:43  
Blogger Nick said...

Thank you YG for another great piece which serves as an antidote to the usual drivel put out by the mainstream media.

Reading the BBC's site one could be forgiven for thinking this shiny new president will usher in a new era for Iran, now they've got rid of that "I'mADinnerJacket" chap. Only a fool would believe that. There are probably some who think that Iran is now headed for group hugs with Israel and legalising gay marriage.

Yeah, sure.

I think the only country urging (rightly) caution is Israel, though I have little doubt that the lefties at the beeb, and others, would not be concerned about Israel getting nuked anyway.

16 June 2013 12:50  
Blogger bluedog said...

@ 12.24. Obviously not.

16 June 2013 12:51  
Blogger Brother Ivo said...

As usual, His Grace hits the nail on the head better than any politician.

It helps to be religiously and historically aware, which sadly is rarer than it ought to be in secular Britain.

16 June 2013 12:53  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Bob @ 12:24

Which is the more appropriate attitude with the election of Hassan Rouhani?

16 June 2013 13:03  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Bob,

To answer my own question, I can see why it might be non-miraculous: as HG has illustrated, a fairly predictable sort of result.

But it would have been miraculous only if he'd been a Sunni Muslim. Or a Christian. Or a Jew.

16 June 2013 13:15  
Blogger Bob said...

@The Explorer

Don't worry about it. Sunni, Shi'ite, Christian, Jew... We are all one family. Life goes on - this is the miracle. We are here, the world is beautiful. If we keep things in perspective, how can we not be joyful?

The gull soars on nothing
But slight corrections
To the tilt of its nose...

16 June 2013 13:45  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Bob,

I am sure we can be one happy family, as soon as Iran stops funding Syrian and Arab terrorists. Oh and stops the nuclear weapons building.. Then we can be all 'peace and love man'.

16 June 2013 14:10  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Bob

Don't worry about it. Sunni, Shi'ite, Christian, Jew... We are all one family.

Useful advice. I'm sure it would have made a difference if it had been given on the morning of Nov 10, 1938.

Don't worry. Be Happy.

carl

16 June 2013 14:11  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

I have a great unshakeable faith that if the BBC and Guardian search long and hard enough, they'll be able to find a genuine Quran-believing moderate Muslim (rather than a liberal 'Muslim in Name Only', or one of those New Age fluffy Sufis or heretic Ahmadiyyas)

16 June 2013 14:40  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Hannah:

Peacen'love, babe!

See, it's catching! Now we just need to spread the message to Iran.

16 June 2013 14:46  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Bob

Life goes on - this is the miracle.

Not for millions of other people it doesn't.

You keep on coming out with so much of this crap I can't help but think that you are just taking the piss - a real wind-up merchant, who who enjoys seeing his name in print no matter the subject matter.

16 June 2013 14:49  
Blogger Bob said...

@Dreadnaught

Nope, I'm definitely not trying to wind anybody up. Love makes the world go round, it's a fact of life.

At the moment you're a caterpillar - but with a little positive thinking you'll soon be a beautiful butterfly.

:)

Peace.

16 June 2013 14:58  
Blogger starcourse said...

I agree that we shouldn't get carried away or be blinded to the realities on the ground. But the idea that there will be no change appears equally fanciful. He has a very strong mandate and Khameni has none at all.

We must watch and pray. I know that many Muslims are sincerely committed to peace, but to the extent that Islam is a religion of war it is overwhelmingly Muslims killing other Muslims which is profoundly self-defeating.

{Sadly within the last 100 years we had Christians killing other Christians on a dreadful scale, but at least this was Nations fighting Nations rather than sectarian civil war. It is also clear that the prevailing ideology of the German General Staff was a sort of deranged distortion of Darwinism (rather like Dawkins) and not Christianity at all.}

16 June 2013 14:59  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Now I know you are taking the piss.

16 June 2013 15:05  
Blogger Bob said...

@dreadnaught

Well, the butterfly thing was my little joke, but the point still stands.

:)

Peace

16 June 2013 15:09  
Blogger Jay Bee said...

We are facing a bizarre situation in Syria. The Sunni-Wahabi Islamists who killed thousands of Americans on 11th September, 2001 are about to become proxy allies of Obama because they will be able to seize new American weapons from their Free Syria Army comrades with little effort.

As if the terrorist implications of that were not bad enough, there are reports that a first contingent of 4,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards will be sent to Syria to support President Bashar al-Assad’s forces against the Sunni rebellion. If this is true it would confirm that Iran is fully committed to preserving Assad’s regime and might give them the opportunity to muster enough boots on the ground for a strike against Israel.

16 June 2013 15:25  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

There is no Iranian nuclear weapons programme. And it would be no threat to the United Kingdom even if there were.

16 June 2013 15:27  
Blogger LEN said...

David Lindsey... what info is your comment based on?.(16 June 2013 15:27)

16 June 2013 15:31  
Blogger LEN said...

Even If Iran could not produce nuclear weapons itself it could probably purchase them from Russia.And who knows where these would end up?.

There are several suitcase sized nuclear weapons which seem to have 'disappeared' some time ago in Russia

16 June 2013 15:35  
Blogger The Explorer said...

David L @15:27

Have you met Bob?

16 June 2013 15:36  
Blogger IanCad said...

I have to agree with Dreadnaught and others here.

How many times do we need to learn the same lesson?

The "Arab Spring" is but a step toward a unified Muslim Brotherhood.

We should not get involved in another civil war.
Can't we learn from our misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan?

To quote Kissinger again:
"Too bad they both can't lose"

William Bolitho also had it right:
"Freeing oppressed nationalities is perhaps the most dangerous of all philanthropic enterprises."

16 June 2013 15:43  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

David Lindsay

There is no Iranian nuclear weapons programme.

And the Earth isn't round. It's shaped like a burrito.

And it would be no threat to the United Kingdom even if there were.

Which translated means: "We could just let the Americans deal with it."

Example: "What happens in the Iranians assert regional nuclear hegemony over the region with half the world's known oil reserves?"

Answer: "Let the Americans deal with it."

Example: "What happens if the Iranians launch a nuclear strike against Israel?"

Answer: "Let the Americans deal with it."

carl

16 June 2013 16:00  
Blogger Anglican said...

Americans in particular, but also most British and other Westerners, seem to think that (as in Iraq) all the people in Muslim countries are just longing to accept Western ways of living. Some are, but the majority are not. The Americans apparently went into the Iraq war thinking that after Saddam was overthrown – an easy task – they would soon be able to leave, garlanded with flowers bestowed on them by a grateful nation which had adopted, overnight, Western democracy. It did not and could not happen. They, and we, seem to have had somewhat similar illusions about Afghanistan.

If we send arms to Syria we would very likely, in fact, be aiding Al Qaeda against Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Can we not get it into our heads that most Muslims do not want Western-style democracy? Many Muslims are good people – but in that case are they good Muslims?

On a rather different note, I can well understand why Muslims in Britain do not want to adopt the present ‘British way of life’. They see around them an increasingly decadent, often depraved, society and do not wish themselves, or their children, to be part of it.



16 June 2013 16:22  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Yes we should have nothing to do with these fights within the long fractured body of Islam. It is their fight. Humanitarian aid should be given generously to all, but absolutely no weapons or means of waging war. Our "leaders" are unbelievably naive, because they lack any understanding of history including the role of the history of religions in geopolitics. Adrift in their relativism they have no fixed point from which to take accurate observations, and upon which to base sound judgement. You can't plot a good course for the ship, if all your sun sightings are shot from the most unsteady section of the deck of a pitching ship. And yes, any British Jihadist should travel outwards from here on a one way ticket.

16 June 2013 16:44  
Blogger Naomi King said...


Obama in alliance with Al Qaeda; all we need is for the Jordanian royal family to fall and we have everything in place for the Psalm 83 war.

16 June 2013 16:44  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Bob,

Are you a real, functioning human being?
Your comments either amuse or irritate, depending upon my mood or the context.
Why do you bother? No one listens.

16 June 2013 16:47  
Blogger Naomi King said...


Iran plans to send in 4,000 Revolutionary Guards the Independent on Sunday has learned. A military decision was taken in Iran – even before last week’s presidential election – to send a first contingent of 4,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards to Syria to support President Bashar al-Assad’s forces against the largely Sunni rebellion that has cost almost 100,000 lives in just over two years.

Robert Fisk: Independent on Sunday http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-to-send-4000-troops-to-aid-president-assad-forces-in-syria-8660358.html

For the first time ever all of America’s ‘friends’ in the region are Sunni Muslims and all of its enemies are Shiites. Not surprising given President Barack Obama is a Sunni Muslim. The President’s US is now fully engaged on the side of armed groups which include the most extreme Sunni Islamist movements in the Middle East.

Washington’s decision to arm Syria’s Sunni Muslim rebels has plunged America into the great Sunni-Shia conflict of the Islamic Middle East, entering a struggle that now dwarfs the Arab revolutions which overthrew dictatorships across the region.


16 June 2013 16:57  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

No, carl jacobs, there is no Iranian nuclear weapons programme.

An Iranian or any other nuclear attack on Israel, which is not in point of fact a British ally and at least arguably not an American one, would leave nothing with which to "deal".

It would be the end of the matter. The world might blink, but it could do nothing else even if it wanted to.

Even that, though, is not going to happen. There is no Iranian nuclear weapons programme.

16 June 2013 17:04  
Blogger Naomi King said...


America’s alliance now includes the wealthiest states of the Arab Gulf, the vast Sunni territories between Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Morocco, as well as Turkey and the fragile British-created monarchy in Jordan. King Abdullah of Jordan and his country, flooded, like so many neighbouring nations, by hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees, may also now find himself and itself at the fulcrum of this Syrian battle.

Up to 3,000 American ‘advisers’ are now believed to be in Jordan, and the creation of a southern Syria ‘no-fly zone’, opposed by Syrian-controlled anti-aircraft batteries, will almost certainly turn this crisis into a ‘hot’ war.

So much for America’s ‘friends’. Obama's enemies include the Lebanese Hizballah, the Alawite Shiite regime in Damascus and, of course, Iran. And Iraq, a largely Shiite nation which America ‘liberated’ from Saddam Hussein’s Sunni minority in the hope of balancing the Shiite power of Iran, has, against all US predictions, itself now largely fallen under Tehran’s influence and power. Iraqi Shiites as well as Hizballah members, have both fought alongside Assad’s forces.

Obama’s excuse for his new Middle East adventure – that he must arm Assad’s enemies because the Damascus regime has used sarin gas against them – convinces no-one in the Middle East. Final proof of the use of gas by either side in Syria remains almost as nebulous as President George W. Bush’s claim that Saddam’s Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

The truth of course is Obama is a Sunni Muslim and will support his own, QED.

16 June 2013 17:14  
Blogger Bob said...

@David Hussell

I am, and I'm at peace with the world and myself. I bother because I hope to share that peace with all of His Grace's communicants.

Love is all you need guys. Come on in, the water's lovely!

:D

Peace.

16 June 2013 17:15  
Blogger Peter D said...

Bob
Well you brighten my day with your comments!

They so take me back to those innocent days when my children were ignorant of the ways of this world. One of their favourite comments was Forrest Gump's observation:
"Life is like a box of chocolates."

A Jew might say:
"Im hayu samin et haom'ach shelcha
b'tarnegol, hu haya ratz yashar l'shochet."


Or Saint Paul:
"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me."

Does your mum know you're on an adult weblog?

Namaste :o)

16 June 2013 17:19  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Bob:

Ever read 'The Odyssey'? Siren song? Land of the Lotus Eaters? Nice there; Odysseus had to drag his men back to the pains of reality. But remaining came at too high a price.

16 June 2013 17:31  
Blogger Peter D said...

Explorer

'Oh Brother Where art thou' is a whole lot easier to follow.

16 June 2013 17:49  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Bob,

Talk softly, but carry a big stick.

The alternative is for the innocent and all that is good and beautiful in this world to be crushed.

We Christians long for the Kingdom of Heaven, but in the meanwhile we get stuck in, doing our inadequate best, with all the brokenness like every other caring mortal.

Reality hurts, a lot sometimes. But if you break through that barrier you can enjoy the privilege of trying to make the world a good place, you may even find yourself leading sometimes.

Start out on that journey soon. Good luck.

16 June 2013 17:52  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Peter,

LOL! I think Bob would be admonishing the other chickens for not being loving enough to the butcher as their heads were being lobbed off...

16 June 2013 17:53  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi David Lindsay,

I'm sure turning Israel into a glassy sea isn't of interest to you, because she isn't a British or American ally, although I do recall that neither Kosovo or Bosnia or were British allies....

So you think the world should/would just 'blink' if a second Shoah were to happen. That just reinforces my view that it is right to have a Jewish state in the first place and secondly that Israel should do whatever it takes to survive. If that means bombing Iran without Obama's say so, then tough.

16 June 2013 18:10  
Blogger Bob said...

@Peter D, The Explorer, David Hussell

Peace comes from within. We have to make peace with ourselves before we can make the world a better place. It's so obvious :)

It can be very tempting to assign blame, especially to those who seem Other, but they're really not so bad. We have to try to avoid talking in terms of conflict because it just inflames anger and magnifies differences. People are people the world over, after all. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar...

Also, as a society we need to stop dwelling on the negative. Life is a matter of perspective. As Abe Lincoln said, "we can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses." Negativity gets us nowhere.

I love you guys.

Peace.

:D

16 June 2013 18:24  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

Hannah, we should never have gone into Bosnia or Kosovo, either. And of course they were not British allies. They were not countries, and never had been.

(Whereas from 1920 to 1948, Palestine did exist as a country on the map, under the British Crown as a Commonwealth country with the Union Flag in the corner of its own. And therefore, despite the craven decision not to include the Arms of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem, a country under the Cross as surely as during the Frankish period. Until she was bombed out of existence by the founders of modern terrorism. Those did not relent, but if anything the reverse, while the British Commonwealth was fighting the Third Reich.)

There would be no possible response to a nuclear strike against Israel. But there is not going to be one. On the contrary, Iran is the only non-nuclear state on earth to be subject to an outstanding threat of a nuclear strike. From Israel.

16 June 2013 18:35  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Hannah Kavanagh,

Priceless little illustration ! Thank you.

Bob,

I shall now resign from the unrewarding task of inviting you to see reality and the moral choices available to us in this fallen world. Peter Pan would like to play with you.

16 June 2013 18:48  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Bob. People are people the world over

Indubitably, old fellow. And if you ever come down from the clouds and actually study what passes for humanity in various {AHEM} ‘troubled’ parts of the world you too might recognise pure evil when you see it.

You are so reminiscent of the CND crowd from 40 years ago. One can imagine you in a panama hat and walking stick as you march behind Mgr. Bruce Kent

16 June 2013 19:03  
Blogger Thomas Keningley said...

Bob has no answers to the reality of suffering. Mourning because you lost a child to cancer? Well that's just because you were too attached to him! There's nothing wrong, just look at it positively!

Absolute trite nonsense, which can offer no answers, unlike the Christ who weeps, suffers and dies in supreme abandonment and Hell. Praise the Lord that he doesn't just offer trite platitudes, but a recognition that the world is WRONG, and a promise that it won't always be that way.

16 June 2013 19:05  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Inspector General,

Exactly ! Stay strong and remain free.

16 June 2013 19:07  
Blogger LEN said...

Whilst I agree with Dreadnaughts comments(16 June 2013 11:45)Islam presents a very real problem which cannot be ignored indeed must not be ignored.
Intervention in Iraq removed Saddam Hussein but not the problem.
If Assad is removed the intrinsic problem will remain .Remove one tyrant and others are only too eager to take their place.Far from bringing Democracy the' Arab Spring' has created an environment into which extremist groups have gained footholds.
Islam is spreading and intends to keep on spreading anywhere where it is not resisted.
Islam is making inroads in the UK a few years ago this would have been unbelievable.'Political Correctness' and weak Governments have aided this influx of those (some of which) have no desire to conform to the laws of this Country.
There can be no doubt that the Islamic nations intend to totally destroy Israel and if the cannot do this outright(as they have attempted several times) they will do it by 'increments 'divide the land, divide again etc until there is no Israel left.
But Israel(the only democratic Country in the area) is' the canary down the mine' (which when it dies gave the miners warning to get out because of toxic gases)if it is attacked as (the Islamist`s promise) then who will be next on their list?.
Israel must be supported in all ways possible because they are the 'forwards troops' in the Worldwide struggle.
This Government has had several 'reality checks' with regard to this problem I wonder when they will actually wake up start to take notice?.

The Media seem to tale a pro Palestinian bias anytime the troubles in Israel and the surrounding areas are mentioned which gives a totally disproportionate view on the whole situation.
It is probably only from a scriptural viewpoint that the whole scenario for the Israel /Arab conflict can be truly appreciated any thing less give a one sided incomplete picture of the events as they unfold.

16 June 2013 19:33  
Blogger Naomi King said...


They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison: Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth. Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna: Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession. O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind. As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire; So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.

Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD. Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

16 June 2013 21:31  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
As to the earlier comments on this thread, if I remember rightly, the British Government forbade British Citizens from going to fight for the socialists in the Spanish Civil war.
Maybe others can remember the circumstances and repercussions?

16 June 2013 22:14  
Blogger Peter D said...

Inspector said (to Bob) ...

"One can imagine you in a panama hat and walking stick as you march behind Mgr. Bruce Kent."

With a fat spliff in mouth, perchance ...

Bob

There is a problem with the Eightfold Path:

- Right Views,
- Right Thinking,
- Right Speech,
- Right Conduct,
- Right Livelihood,
- Right Effort,
- Right Recollection, and
- Right Meditation.

Whilst your meditating on this noble way, having positive thoughts, some evil bast*rd may be raping your wife and killing your children.

16 June 2013 22:29  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Integrity @ 22.14. Remember Jack Jones? He fought for the International Brigade in Spain, which was financed by Comintern, he returned to the UK, rose to head the TUC and took his place in the House of Lords! With a career like that one suspects that Jones is now seated at the right hand of God.

16 June 2013 22:31  
Blogger bluedog said...

Your Grace, the news that Iran is airlifting 4000 troops into Syria will cause panic in Riyadh. One can expect to see a crack division of the Saudi Army (ie, Pakistani mercenaries) sent as a counter in order to help the failing Sunni revolt. Just let them get on with it. Look but don't touch, as they say.

It won't be comfortable for Israel, but at present there does not seem to be a direct threat.

Incredibly, the Shia seem to hate the Sunni, and vice versa, even more than they hate the Zionist entity. Saudi Arabia is a deadly cultural and social enemy of the West, and if Iran takes them down so that Wahabism is no longer being exported on the back of a flood of petrodollars, who are we to complain?

16 June 2013 22:44  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi David Lindsay,

So, it is the poor old Iranian Mullahs, who want nothing more to crush Israel, who are now the poor downtrodden lot here strange how the logic of anti-Zionists work, isn't it?

I always thought that 'Palestine' was a colony- Roman, Byzantine, Arab, Crusader, Ottoman, then British (under the guise of 'mandates').

Hardly bombed out of existence, for as it has been said time and time again here, it was Arabs who refused to agree to UN peace plans and invaded Israel to destroy Jews. Alas Israel refused to die and fought as she did in the other wars, yet people don't like that fact.

But if Israel were ever defeated, there should be a *shrug* of the shoulders and nothing to be done. Just as well then Israel does have the capacity to defend itself. Left to others, there wouldn't an Israel.

16 June 2013 22:53  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Bluedog,

Didn't Wiki leaks reveal that Saudi Arabia actually wanted Israel to 'cut off the vipers head' or something like that when it came to Iran?

In other words let the Jews do the dirty work and get all the blame for doing what anyone -Muslim, America, Martian-in the right mind would want to stop- a nuclear armed Iran.

Strange times.

16 June 2013 22:56  
Blogger Bob said...

@Peter D

I'm not quite sure how that is a problem with the Eightfold Path. Surely the problem is that the man in question is not following it...?

Anyhow, as Buddha said, "people with opinions just go around bothering each other." The truth of that is manifest daily on this blog ;)

The best thing for everyone to do is concentrate on being kind, compassionate and loving people. Everything else is really just noise.

Peace and love.

:D

16 June 2013 23:03  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

Hannah Kavanagh, yes, Christian sovereignty is the historical norm there: Roman (after Constantine), Byzantine, Crusader, British.

When the Muslims conquered Jerusalem, it was an entirely Christian city, and had been for centuries. It has never been entirely Jewish, and the Bible makes it perfectly clear that the Israelites did not found it.

The descendants of the people who did are such of the ancient indigenous Christians as are left after the catastrophe of 1948, the wholesale, American-enforced surrender to Marxist immigrant terrorism.

They had become Christians when the Roman Empire did. They had then adopted Arabic (not much of a leap) at the time of the Muslim Conquest, which happened at exactly the same time as the Anglo-Saxons were taking over another outlying, semi-abandoned Roman province, so that England and Palestine are exactly as ancient as each other. Twins, really.

Rather than being, say, a mere 65 years old.

16 June 2013 23:17  
Blogger Peter D said...

Bob
"I'm not quite sure how that is a problem with the Eightfold Path. Surely the problem is that the man in question is not following it...?

But that's my very point! The real world is a dangerous and unpredictable place and individuals develop at different rates - some not at all.

There are times when the approach of the 'Black Mamba' are called for!

16 June 2013 23:19  
Blogger Peter D said...

^
" ... is called for ..."

16 June 2013 23:20  
Blogger Bob said...

@Peter D

But that's my very point! The real world is a dangerous and unpredictable place and individuals develop at different rates - some not at all.

Obviously, but this is precisely why we have to take the first step by showing love and compassion and not responding with hatred. Only love can conquer hatred!

If you respond with hatred, violence, inflammatory rhetoric etc, you just escalate the cycle as well as damaging yourself. Who benefits? Nobody! I know it itches but don't pick the scab...let it heal.

As the Buddha says, holding onto anger is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.

Peace.

:)

16 June 2013 23:36  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Buddah Bob,
Aren't you missing your chanting sessions for world peace or something instead of agitating here?

Nahm myoho renge kyo and all that ….......

It's not working very well is it?

16 June 2013 23:54  
Blogger Peter D said...

Bob

But who says responding robustly to evil (you do acknowledge this exists, whatever name you might give it?) involves hatred?

The Christian position is hate the sin, love the sinner.

Is killing an aggressor to defend oneself, hatred? Is naming the misuse of sex a perversion, hatred?

How would you respond - with love - to a sexual sadist who murders women and children?

Time for a reality check.

I've seen the broken bodies of infants who have suffered truly shocking murderous abuse and met with the men and women who have committed such crimes and who's hearts are cold to others.

Do I hate them? No. Do I hate what they've done? With a passion that drives me to try and prevent it happening ever again. Do I believe such people warrant incarceration? Absolutely.

Spare me this Christmas Cracker, 'mindfulness', Western Buddhism, rightly described by Joseph Ratzinger an “autoerotic spirituality” seeking "transcendence without imposing concrete religious obligations."

There - that's better. Rant over.

Namaste

Love and Peace.

17 June 2013 00:31  
Blogger Bob said...

@Peter D

Reading your last comment, I see I have provoked you to anger - that is my failing and I apologise deeply for that. However you have indulged your anger and that is your failing. It isn't useful or healthy to work yourself up over the troubles of the world. Indeed, nothing is worth getting angry about.

"Evil" is the product of an undisciplined mind, a mind that is blown this way and that by whatever strong emotion it's feeling at the time. To get rid of it, we discipline our minds, we change how we think, we encourage others to do the same. This is why I'm always mentioning positive thinking - our thoughts create our reality.

"The way lies not in the sky, but in the heart."

Good night all.

:)

Peace.

17 June 2013 01:10  
Blogger Peter D said...

Bob
Indulged anger? I think not! I've walked amongst evil for the past 35 years and been touched by it's wings.

Anger the product of an undisciplined mind? Poppycock! Stare at pictures of the corpses of wantonly murdered and grossly abused children. Then meet the perpetrators of these incomprehensibly wicked crimes, who show no remorse, and tell me you don't recognise and feel enraged at the tangible evil in this world.

Evil exists and not in the mind of man but as an influence on him in this world.

I have considerable respect for the wisdom of Siddhārtha Gautama - a man limited in his insights but profound. I have little respect for 'off the shelf', platitudes of Western 'Buddhists' who Google his quotes.

Namaste and good night

17 June 2013 02:30  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Bob
Burma 969

17 June 2013 03:45  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Someone who speaks English with a bit of a Scottish accent can't all be bad.

17 June 2013 04:16  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

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17 June 2013 06:08  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

So we've got 2 jokers on this thread.

Bob the Buddha, who is clearly aiming for a cameo as a Jedi in the next star wars film with relativist approach to evil and David *Jerusalem was founded by Christians * Lindsay which was then *stolen* by the wicked American backed Commie Joos...

LOL!

17 June 2013 06:10  
Blogger Ivan said...


People who knew about the Sunni-Shiite split advised that removing Saddam would only strengthen the Iranians. But did the Western fools cheering the idiot Bush listen? (I was one of them fools then.) Now the same bunch of jokers would like to arm sadistic Sunni thugs in the name of stopping Iran. Iran has a lot more to contend with than Saudi Arabia, Turkey for one, the Azeris in the north and Pakistan in the east and this only from their fellow Muslims, leaving aside the Russians and the Chinese. Thousands of Muslims could be dying like flies, blown to pieces or tortured to death, but in the flatland known as Christian Zionism all this is ultimately about Israel.

17 June 2013 06:18  
Blogger Nick said...

No disrespect to Bob, but this thread wasn't meant to be about him, but the Iranian election.

If Bob is trying to wind people up and draw them off-topic, he succeeding (sadly)

17 June 2013 08:53  
Blogger david kavanagh said...

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17 June 2013 09:59  
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17 June 2013 10:04  
Blogger david kavanagh said...

Hannah,

No, no,no!

What a total distortion of the facts! Jerusalem a Jewish city? Palestine Jewish?

In fact, as David Lindsay (I am sure Corrigan & Ivan agree as well) has hinted, the story is somewhat different.

So here is an elaboration of the REAL history :

Jerusalem was founded by general Zog, an underling of ming the merciless from the planet Mongo.

Zog took on the name of the sun god babylonian deity called Marduk -Ra, which Judaism is based upon and controlled Palestine and Mars through a star gate which the chaps from the TV show had left around...

There he ruled over the poor old christians or the real inhabitants of the land (which the crafty Jews stole). That's why the Church had to launch a religious war, 'the crusades' to liberate the holy city from the heretical christian sect of pharasie Judaism. After a long and bloody war, everyone was happy, Jerusalem and Palestine were happily free and Christian.

Then the lovely religion of Islam came along and with the fully blessing of Christians took over the place for the next 200 years, but this only after more wars and strife between Christianity and Islam (which was entirely the fault of the Jews of course).

Then in 1917, the British took over this place, but again it was a beacon of stability and once again Christian and it would have been so forever had it not been for the Zionist crusaders.

You see the communist-terrorist Jews (you see all Jews are christ killing communists because Marx was a Jew as we all of the Russian revolutionaries), AKA the descendants of General Zog (who was know was really a Martian, so Jews have no claim to the land) took over Palestine in a brutal bloody war, which was only participated after the Jews agreed to a peace plan and the entirely benevolent Arab nations, with nothing more than peaceful intentions rejected said peace plan and decided to conquer the land themselves.

Unfortunately the Jews had laser beams and other such technology, which meant the poor Arabs didn't stand a chance of crushing the commie bas'ards back to where they belonged in the concentration camps and ghettos.

The rest is, as we say, history.

Now anyone in their right logical mind *should* be cheering on Iran and the rest as they build nuclear weapons and spout their Jew-hatred, which is really code for peace and prosperity; interpreting it otherwise is simply terrorist-commie, Jewish Zionist crusade propaganda!

17 June 2013 10:12  
Blogger David Hussell said...

David Kavanagh,

Fascinating incisive account of the true history there.

So please tell us whether Generalissimo Zog has a fan club with military reenactments that we can all join, perhaps with a T shirt to wear as well ?

17 June 2013 10:23  
Blogger The Explorer said...

David K

Have a word with Bob, would you?

17 June 2013 10:35  
Blogger david kavanagh said...

David Hussell,

Alas, fellow poster 'Bob' has hypnotized me with the whiff of his cyber spliff, so I'm all into peace, love and Woodstock, so no more battle reenactments for this Jew; the T shirt will show a Chamberlainseque figure waving a bit of paper in the air, caption :'peace man, in our time'...



17 June 2013 10:38  
Blogger david kavanagh said...

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17 June 2013 10:41  
Blogger david kavanagh said...

Explorer,

Alas I think I'm getting a whiff of Bob's 'cyber spliff'... cough, cough.

Sooo.

Time to revert back to my twenties, grow my hair even longer, wear some dodgy glasses, put some sandals on me feet, find my guitar and lounge around all day telling everyone to stop being so angry and bitter at the world....

those Mullah's who want to build nuclear missiles to crush Israel, well fretting about it will only make it worse, in fact they are really Mullah delights and all you need is 'luuuve, luuuve, luuuve'

17 June 2013 10:43  
Blogger david kavanagh said...

In fact that could be the UK's eurovision 2014 song entry? Just strumming the first few lines now.

PS - David Hussell, there is also the possibility of a musical opera about the Arab-Israel wars. Let's call it 'Arafat'...

17 June 2013 10:45  
Blogger David Hussell said...

David Kavanagh,

It's a deal, done ! "Arafat" it is . I like the occasional opera. Can we have lots of noisy bangs (of the auditory variety, nothing sexual ) on stage, please ? Go on, say yes !

17 June 2013 11:28  
Blogger bluedog said...

Hannah @ 22.56 asked, 'Didn't Wiki leaks reveal that Saudi Arabia actually wanted Israel to 'cut off the vipers head' or something like that when it came to Iran?'

That's pretty much it. The Saudis in effect live under the Israeli nuclear umbrella. Terrible waste of a good nuclear deterrent and you have to admire the self-control of the Israeli government.

17 June 2013 12:33  
Blogger david kavanagh said...

On second thoughts, best not. I wouldn't want a Fatwa to be issued against me (but if that happens, I know Bob will be on hand to lend his moral support of peace and love).

17 June 2013 14:09  
Blogger Vladimir Ulyanov said...

In a democratic world, if one country can have nuclear weapons, all countries should be allowed to have atomic weapons therefore I don't see any point in deny the right to Iran to develop their nuclear program.
In a civilized world nobody should be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

17 June 2013 18:49  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi David,

LOL!

I stand corrected by you and David Lindsay.

Although wasn't Ra an Egyptian deity rather than Babylonian?

Besides which, where does Anubis, the dog-man deity of the Egyptian underworld fit into that?

*aside from being the jack Russell that barks at you every time you see it*

And I think you mean general Zod (is that a subtle hint at wanting to watch the new lad flick, superman film or what?).

Oh, how I know my bros so well! (:

17 June 2013 18:53  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

I think sometimes we could ALL *do* with Bob's cyber spliff! (:

17 June 2013 18:58  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Peace and love, babe.

And don't forget' one day you can be a butterfly. Or was that Dreadnaught?

17 June 2013 19:06  
Blogger Peter D said...

David K

Your 'problem' is a deluded attachment to the physical survival of Israel and the Jews. This can only cause anguish. Once you achieve enlightenment you will be free from such false sentiments and can float off into the great unknown.

Until then, maybe see you in the next life. Who knows you may return as an avian creature!

17 June 2013 21:51  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Dodo,

LOL! But why not come a beautiful colourful butterfly?

17 June 2013 22:01  
Blogger Peter D said...

Hannah

They don't live long enough! A great natural metaphor for life, death and transformation but Dodo's live a lot longer if left alone in their ordered environment by protestant plunderers.

17 June 2013 22:41  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Peter D @21:51

While I'm still in a Classics frame of mind, remember the story of Antaeus?

Every time he hit the ground, he bounced back up, strengthened.

Hercules' solution was to hold him suspended in the air.

Think it might work with our equivalent? Don't knock him over, just leave him in the air unanswered?

17 June 2013 22:46  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Peter,

Funnily enough I did actually watch a tv show called 'museum secrets', which goes around all the famous museums of the world. There was one about the Vatican and apparently the Vatican also has a stuffed Dodo, somewhere in the vaults of Rome ...

[I won't go into the bit about the sack of Rome & the last defence of the Swiss guards against the forces of Emperor Charles V in 1527]

17 June 2013 23:02  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Peter:

On the subject of the Dodo, remember the Caucus Race in 'Alice in Wonderland'? Beautiful world; everybody wins. Remind you of anything?

Peace, man.

17 June 2013 23:13  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi explorer,

'Dodo' was Peter D's previous nome de plume here....

PS- my cousin Lou is studying Classics and English Lit at university. I'll have to ask her about Plato and stuff.

17 June 2013 23:18  
Blogger Peter D said...

Explorer

Indeed! Dodo yells “go.” The animals run around haphazardly until Dodo declares the race over and says that all of them have won the race.

And you're quite correct with the allusion to Antaeus. Still, he is an entertaining diversion.

Hannah

Ssssshhhhh .... that's classified information!

" ... apparently the Vatican also has a stuffed Dodo, somewhere in the vaults of Rome ..."

But of course they do! And he's not stuffed! That's just a ruse. He's actually alive and has a wife and family there too.

17 June 2013 23:38  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Peter,

Quite. Of course they didn't say that on the show, but why would they.

I still get 'hits' from the Vatican city state. I wonder why the Cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church are interested in the musings of moi. Could it be that Cardinal Jinette, needs some help?

18 June 2013 00:11  
Blogger Peter D said...

"We have kept mankind safe since time immemorial, we are the last defense against evil. An evil that the rest of mankind has no idea even exists."

Don't worry, they're keeping an eye on one or two of the 'loons' who visit you in case they need *attention*. They monitor this site too.

18 June 2013 00:45  
Blogger Ivan said...


David, I am one of those who care little for Jerusalem or the Al-Quds of Galloway. Ever since the Man fulfilled his destiny :"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it...", the physical Jerusalem should mean little to Christians. Jerusalem is mentioned eight hundred times in the Bible and so on, that does not mean that its history is exclusively or even largely Jewish over the last two thousand years.

18 June 2013 04:05  
Blogger Naomi King said...


A month ago, the head of the EDL, Tommy Robinson, provoked a round of liberal sneering when he tweeted: “welcome to twitter homepage has a picture of a mosque. what a joke.” Various media outlets leapt to point out that the photo was, actually, the Taj Mahal.

The liberal Guardian mocked: “It’s worth pointing out that the ‘mosque’ that started this … was in fact the Taj Mahal, the marble mausoleum in India. It’s almost as if the very existence of the EDL is based on false information, suspicion and idiocy.”

Except — oops –– it wasn’t the Taj Mahal. It was a mosque — the Grand Mosque in Muscat, Oman, to be precise — as The Guardian quietly admitted in an altered photo caption after stealthily removing the comment about the EDL’s “idiocy” for imagining it was a mosque. It’s almost as if the very existence of The Guardian is based on false information, suspicion and idiocy.

18 June 2013 10:24  
Blogger Naomi King said...


It's been a bad few weeks for cultural assimilation. Last month, two welfare-receiving immigrants in the United States, Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, set off bombs at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and injuring hundreds. By the end of the week, they had murdered a cop and engaged in a wild shoot-out and bomb-throwing melee with the police.

Last week, a couple of ethnic Nigerians butchered a British soldier with meat cleavers in broad daylight on a bustling street in a London suburb, then boasted about the murder in video interviews with bystanders. (On the bright side, they did not claim to be princes and ask for your life savings.)

Also last week, immigrants, mostly Muslims, began rioting in peaceful Sweden -- burning schools to the ground, torching cars and throwing rocks at the police. (Who among us hasn't lost his temper trying to assemble an Ikea china cabinet?)

Send Us Your Violent Bigots, Yearning To Butcher Our Citizens.

18 June 2013 10:43  
Blogger Naomi King said...


1) Japan is the only nation that does not give citizenship to Muslims.

2) In Japan permanent residency is not given to Muslims.

3) There is a strong ban on the propagation of Islam in Japan.

4) In the University of Japan, Arabic or any Islamic language is not taught.

5) One cannot import a 'Koran' published in the Arabic language.

6) According to data published by the Japanese government, it has given temporary residency to only 2 lakhs, Muslims, who must follow the Japanese Law of the Land. These Muslims should speak Japanese and carry their religious rituals in their homes.

7) Japan is the only country in the world that has a negligible number of embassies in Islamic countries.

8) Japanese people are not attracted to Islam at all.

9) Muslims residing in Japan are the employees of foreign companies.

10) Even today, visas are not granted to Muslim doctors, engineers or managers sent by foreign companies.

11) In the majority of companies it is stated in their regulations that no Muslims should apply for a job.

12) The Japanese government is of the opinion that Muslims are fundamentalist and even in the era of globalization they are not willing to change their Muslim laws.

13) Muslims cannot even think about renting a house in Japan .

14) If anyone comes to know that his neighbour is a Muslim then the whole neighbourhood stays alert.

15) No one can start an Islamic cell or Arabic 'Madrasa' in Japan. There is no Sharia law in Japan .

16) If a Japanese woman marries a Muslim then she is considered an outcast forever.

17) According to Mr. Kumiko Yagi, Professor of Arab/Islamic Studies at Tokyo University of Foreign Studies, "There is a mind frame in Japan that Islam is a very narrow minded religion and one should stay away from it."


An interestingly different attitude to here in Europe and the US don't you think.

18 June 2013 10:51  
Blogger bluedog said...

This communicant is warming to the Japanese, Naomi @ 10.51.

One can only congratulate the sons and daughters of Nippon for being so astute and resolute in their rejection of Islam.

Let's hope it's catching.

18 June 2013 13:59  
Blogger Naomi King said...

An unnamed Middle Eastern state has supplied Syrian rebels with 250 sophisticated Soviet-made anti-tank missiles, most of which were given to radical Islamist militias fighting President Bashar Assad, according to a report published in London-based Arabic daily A-Sharq Al-Awsat on Tuesday.
According to the report, the unidentified state made its first delivery of 9M113 Konkurs missiles to the rebels a week ago via Turkey. The Konkurs antitank missile, ironicaly supplied by Russia, has a maximum range of four kilometers and a hit probability of 90 percent. Egypt, Iran and Turkey are the only known operators of the missile system in the Middle East.

The information has come from The Times of Israel. The weapons would not have come from President Assad’s Shia Muslim ally, Iran.

Meanwhile, Israel National News has reported that France and Belgium have joined Saudi Arabia in supplying the Free Syrian Army with weapons.
The news comes as world leaders have been on the shores of Loch Erne in Northern Ireland at the G8 summit. President Putin is determined that President Assad should remain in power in any settlement, but the Western powers, including William Hague, the UK Foreign Secretary, and President Obama are supporting the rebels, who include militant Al-Qaeda elements and other hard-line Sunni activists dedicated to exterminating both the Shia Muslims and Syria’s 10% Christian minority, who have enjoyed freedom under the Assad regime.
President Obama has said he will arm the rebels, thus prolonging the Syrian civil war. The US has taken particular umbrage at the alleged small-scale use of chemical weapons by President Assad’s side, as if it is somehow preferable or more gentlemanly to blow opponents to pieces with mortars than suffocate them by Sarin.

However, Leaked emails from a UK weapons company appear to show that Washington was involved in a plan to supply the rebels with chemical weapons whose use could then be blamed on Assad. In addition to that, reports of atrocities on both sides have put paid to the idea that the rebels are benign and restrained.

19 June 2013 16:38  
Blogger Naomi King said...


The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, has argued that Britain will have no means of preventing UK weapons ending up in the hands of “al Qaida-affliated thugs” if it supplies arms to the Syrian rebels, Boris Johnson warned.

Writing for the Daily Telegraph the London mayor put himself at the head of the growing opposition at Westminster to any move by David Cameron to arm the rebels, saying Britain could not end the conflict by “pressing weapons into the hands of maniacs”. The Archbishop of York has agreed.

However, the Foreign Secretary William Hague hit back saying there are “more than two sides” in the conflict.

However the scale of the opposition among MPs of all parties means Mr Cameron – who has promised a Commons vote on any move by Britain to arm the rebels – will almost certainly find his path blocked if he tries to follow suit.

The London Mayor described an incident in Aleppo where a 15-year-old boy was taken away and beaten and then summarily executed by Islamist rebels for making a joking reference to the Prophet Mohammed. “Odious, twisted, hate-filled thugs; arrogant and inadequate creeps, intoxicated by the pathetic illusion of power that comes with guns; poisoned by a perversion of religion into a contempt for all norms of civilised behaviour,” he wrote. “They are fighting not for freedom but for a terrifying Islamic state in which they would have the whip hand – and yet there is no dodging or fudging the matter: these are among the Syrian rebels who are hoping now to benefit from the flow of Western arms . “How is it supposed to work? How are we meant to furnish machine guns and anti-tank weapons to one set of opposition forces, without them ending up in the hands of men like the al Qaida-affiliated thugs who executed a child for telling a joke? “This is not the moment to send more arms. This is the moment for a total ceasefire, an end to the madness. “We can’t use Syria as an arena for geopolitical point-scoring or muscle-flexing, and we won’t get a ceasefire by pressing weapons into the hands of maniacs,” Boris cogently argued.

Well said Boris

19 June 2013 16:39  

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