Sunday, September 08, 2013

Australia has ditched an incompetent Anglican for a Roman Catholic of promise


Australia has a new prime minister-elect: the people have ousted Labour in favour of a Liberal (ie a Conservative). They have also ditched an incompetent Anglican for a Roman Catholic of promise. Not even casting his vote in St Paul's Anglican Church, Brisbane, could save the dishonoured and dishonourable Kevin Rudd from the wrath of the people - the ultimate judgment in the democratic fray. The election was about trust, integrity, credibility and delivery. And Tony Abbott won hands down.

He will pursue the policies which are high on voter expressions of concern. So he intends to clamp down on the boat-loads of asylum seekers; reduce immigration; row back on all the global warming hysteria; cut taxes; reduce government; pursue free-market economics and family-friendly policies such as the paid parental leave scheme, which will encourage married couples to have children and spend more time nurturing them. His politics are informed by his theology; his theology is informed by Roman Catholic social doctrine - suffused with more than a hint of Thatcherite notions of individual responsibility and duty to family and community. As the Great Lady said:
Reading recently, I came across the starkly simple phrase: "Christianity is about spiritual redemption, not social reform". Sometimes the debate on these matters has become too polarised and given the impression that the two are quite separate. But most Christians would regard it as their personal Christian duty to help their fellow men and women. They would regard the lives of children as a precious trust. These duties come not from any secular legislation passed by Parliament, but from being a Christian.
Tony Abbott understands this, and we may look to the Antipodes with a degree of envy. They have woken up to the corrosive effects of 'multiculturalism' on social cohesion, and how quickly divisive ghettos can become established and present threats to community harmony and national security. And yet, ever since Captain Cook set foot upon the land, it seems to have been a colony of diversity in search of an identity. It was only our accession to the EEC in 1973 which caused Australia to turn its eyes to Asia for its continuing economic existence. We made a clear mistake, and it is time to restore the foundations of the British family of nations.

Cook took possession of the land in the name of King George III in 1770. It was then little more than an open-air prison, but it developed over the ensuing century into a federal commonwealth with God at the heart of its constitution: 'Whereas the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland; and Tasmania, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agree to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth under the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and under the Constitution hereby established...'

The Australian States adopted and preserve foundational English statutes, including Magna Carta, The Petition of Right, the Habeas Corpus Act, Bill of Rights (1688), the Act of Settlement and Succession to the Crown Act (1707). These are the basis of their liberties, as ours. We share a Head of State in the figure of Her Majesty the Queen, Defender of the Faith; and also the red, white and blue 'Union Jack' flag design - theirs adorned by a constellation of stars including the seven-pointed Commonwealth Star beneath St George's cross and St Andrew's saltire. Our historic ties are strong, if not unbreakable.

As Tony Abbott assumes leadership of his country, he does in an era which will see the United Kingdom reappraising its membership of the European Union. His language is ours; his culture is ours; his heritage of law is ours; his Christian faith is ours; his mission in the world is ours. The day is dawning when the Anglosphere may once again be a light to the world and bring glory to God.

83 Comments:

Blogger IanCad said...

I'm not sure that we should look to Australia for any light.

My Goodness! They don't even have the right not to vote.

8 September 2013 12:23  
Blogger Nick said...

Tony Abbott has stated publicly that he supports traditional marriage and is against SSM. I suspect that is an easier thing to say in Australia than here.

But if any Australians are in doubt about that issue, or any other issues on which he faought his election campaign, I'd invite them to look at the state of places like the UK and Quebec where the state is more interested in hauling preachers off the streets for no reason than preserving any kind of order or sanity in society.

I wonder who might be our Tony Abbott? I wonder too if the average British heart is so calloused by "Liberalism" that such a person would have any chance of getting elected here?

8 September 2013 12:40  
Blogger spicksandspecks said...

Hi there,
Just a quick correction - it was 1770 when Captain Cook claimed Australia for Britain. It was later settled in 1788 by Captain Arthur Phillip and the First Fleet.

In terms of your analysis, I would suggest that the turn to the Coalition had more to do with dissatisfaction at the internal fights within the Labour Party than a wholehearted embrace of Abbot's principles and approach. Since becoming opposition leader, he has consistently trailed both Gillard and Rudd as preferred PM until about a month ago. There was a real feeling in Australia that Labour was hopelessly paralysed by infighting. The election result was a stern punishment for that disunity and dysfunction. Abbott will certainly strengthen links with the UK, but our trade is so dependent on China and Japan that those links will never return to what they once were.

He also seems to switch between the Catholic social conservative and the economic rationalist when it suits him. He is paying for building new roads by slashing foreign aid, which the Catholic bishops don't support at all. He will implement paid maternity leave by placing a levy on big businesses, but will gut the carbon emissions scheme and mining tax which could have funded it instead of the levy.

8 September 2013 12:44  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

1770, was it? Gosh, time flies.

Corrected. Bless you.

8 September 2013 12:49  
Blogger bluedog said...

Well said, Your Grace. One is tempted to see Australia in the same light as Ireland during the Dark Ages, an isolated outpost where the flame still burns brightly through the gloom of the secular ascendancy and its proposed destruction of Western Civilisation.

The Australian electorate have clearly ignored the instructions of the Left and decided to go on being Australians. How could they?

Most importantly, your communicant notes that in a final policy backflip the ousted incompetent announced his conversion to the cause of Same Sex Marriage. The general election was therefore, inter alia, a referendum on SSM. We can conclude that the Australian electorate utterly rejects the idea of Same Sex Marriage. The Australian homosexual lobby, gallantly lead by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation and the non-Murdoch, Guardian-imitating, Fairfax Media Group would appear to be maintaining a silent vigil in mourning for the total collapse of their project. Cue, muffled sobs and the squishy sound of wet tissues dropping on exquisitely polished wooden flooring.

Presumably Lynton Crosby will prepare and table a critique of the Australian election result for Cameron's perusal. Let's pretend Cameron were to implement Abbott's policies and were to win office in his own right; the Conservatives would then hold 390 seats in the House of Commons on a pro-rata basis.

Won't happen. Cameron has made a conscious decision to remain true to his misconceived beliefs rather than to give the British electorate what they want. It is truly remarkable that Britain can be lead by a man who apparently wants to lose. Nurse!

8 September 2013 13:05  
Blogger Nick said...

The people were unhappy with the coalition. Now where have I heard that before?

Coalition government has got to be the worst form of government possible. You get everything you didn't vote for, and nothnig you did, all in the name of "compromise".

8 September 2013 13:05  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Australia, and the rest of the decent world, has an unwanted asylum seeker problem. Russia has longed to colonise Siberia but never had much in the way of enthusiastic folk to go there. Result – everybody is happy...

8 September 2013 13:14  
Blogger The Judicious Hooker said...

YG: Mr Rudd was born RC and was 'converted' to reformed catholicism/Anglicanism during his university days under the influence of his millionaire wife.

The first word of Mr Rudd's speech on election night was: "Jeez". During the campaign he pontificated that he had come round to promoting 'marriage equality' through prayer. He enjoyed being filmed outside various Anglican churches on Sunday but while in power was loathed by his staff and colleagues as an indecisive micro-managing control freak.

Mr Abbott is not universally loved but this is his second attempt at the top job and he has earned the role through hard slog and perseverance. The next three years promise to be stable, with Mr Abbott adopting 'a chairman of the board' style of leadership. It will make a change from the soap opera politics of the Labor era, as internal leadership battles predominated over governing the country.

8 September 2013 13:17  
Blogger Unknown said...

Clamping down on the boat-loads of asylum seekers, as you put it, is not at all consistent with a "theology is informed by Roman Catholic social doctrine." You may wish it were, but that does not make it so. (Please read the Catechism or the public statements of your bishop or almost any other bishop before disagreeing with me.)

8 September 2013 13:43  
Blogger Unce Brian said...

Another angle on Tony Abbott, this time from Haaretz:

Israel regains staunch ally as opposition wins Australia election

SYDNEY – Israel once again has a staunch ally in Australia following the election of Liberal Party leader Tony Abbott as prime minister. [. . .]

Abbott has said he wants to return bilateral relations to the era of former Liberal leader John Howard, who was an unashamed and unapologetic supporter of Israel.

“I’d like to think that nowhere in the world [does Israel] have a stauncher friend than us,” Abbott told an Australia-Israel forum in Melbourne when he was first elected party leader in 2009.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.545655

8 September 2013 13:44  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Spicksandspecks @ 12:44

Nothing wrong with slashing foreign aid when ones own country needs it more and a levy on big business to pay for maternity leave will ensure big business which can more than afford it invests in people their most valuable resource and the future. Cutting the carbon emissions scheme and mining tax would seem to benefit more people therefore boosting the economy. Mr Abbott is showing great potential, when he's finished with Australia can he come and sort us out?

8 September 2013 14:35  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

spicsandspecs snuffled, [Abbott] is paying for building new roads by slashing foreign aid, which the Catholic bishops don't support at all. He will implement paid maternity leave by placing a levy on big businesses, but will gut the carbon emissions scheme and mining tax which could have funded it instead of the levy.

Boo-hoo-hoo. But good roads are more useful for Australians than funding foreign kleptocrats, don't you think? And a small levy on business for a family-friendly and economically-positive goal is preferable to the planned destruction Australia's mining and manufacturing sectors by taxing a beneficial trace gas which, as we all know by now, has as much of an effect on climate as unicorn farts.

Congrats, Aussies! The long winter is over.

8 September 2013 14:53  
Blogger Peter D said...

.... not forgetting, as a Catholic, he supports traditional heterosexual marriage. Important that one, me thinks.

8 September 2013 15:13  
Blogger Peter D said...

Avi
Unicorns most certainly do not "fart", Sir!

8 September 2013 15:15  
Blogger David Hussell said...

I am not by nature an envious person, but I can't help feeling the Green Monster grow a little, when I look at Australia.
Perhaps it's their isolation geographically, or their robust social heritage, but being behind social curves and trends has distinct benefits. They have been able to monitor the corrosive effects of multi-cult. and the anti the natural family movements, seen the warning signals from the UK and other western nations, all now engaged in attacking themselves and then took decisive actions to protect their own culture. Elsewhere national destruction continues apace.

Abbott seems a good blend of pragmatism and principle and always heads in the direction of improving both the economy and the common good of the population of his nation. Spot on !
Yes, I admit to being envious.

8 September 2013 15:28  
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8 September 2013 15:35  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Fingers crossed that Abbott lives up to expectations.

He will be a rare breed of politician if he does.

8 September 2013 15:35  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Nick,

"average British heart is so calloused by Liberalism"

Yes I think that you may be right. Not enough of us are now sufficiently strong, at present anyway, to make the tough, pragmatic decisions needed to elect someone like this. Folks have been softened up and their brains addled by decades of mass indoctrination from TV and the media generally. We don't think straight enough anymore (no pun intended). We have lost decision making based on evidence or even survival criteria, being just too wishy washy, or wet if you prefer, now . And as a result bad things just grow and grow. Can you just imagine how the BBC would spin against a home grown version of this useful Aussie ?
Maybe future hardship will reverse this process, and sharpen our focus, but I fear that by then it will be to late to save the nation, as it will be a different nation, as it probably is already.

8 September 2013 15:38  
Blogger Peter D said...

Phew ... things are okay!

"Politicians like Tony Abbott are not supposed to win elections. He believes in God, supports free speech and once called global warming "crap". He opposes same-sex marriage, though in courteous and temperate language (his sister, who is gay, campaigned for him) ... his country's alliances with Britain, the United States and the other Anglophone democracies are central to his world-view."

8 September 2013 15:40  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

One hopes Mr Abbott can get himself off to London at the earliest possible and meet up with Mr Farage. Perhaps an overlong stay ?

Plenty of ideas to discus. Siberia, for example...


8 September 2013 15:42  
Blogger David Hussell said...

And to add,

It gives me a bit of a warm glow, a sort of consolation prize if you like, that there is still a nation in that hemisphere flying a variant of the Union Jack, where the better, former British approach to doing things holds sway. Yes they are fortunate to have their own country, unlike us fools, ever ready to be duped, stuck here in Blighty.

Good luck to Oz ! , I say

8 September 2013 15:43  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Inspector,

What's this "Siberia" thing with you ? Are you making a suggestion ?

Please : -

"lighten my darkness",

if you would.

8 September 2013 15:45  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...


Avi, that a man can be suspicious of the climate conspiracy and still get elected in a country which is largely desert speaks volumes...

8 September 2013 15:47  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

David, one may have hit upon a method to dry up asylum seeking, if the Russians co-operate. Nobody wants them, so when they come, fly them off to Siberia where they are needed to open the place up. The only problem with that, one cynically thinks, is that the number of would be asylum seekers would quickly drop to tiny numbers. Quite possibly only the genuine cases would be left.

Of course, this would no doubt be financially disastrous to the legal parasites of the developed world who enjoy a very comfortable living, thank you very much, crowding the west with undesirables which even they themselves would not be prepared to live next to. So we will expect fierce opposition...


8 September 2013 15:57  
Blogger Peter D said...

"Although raised a Roman Catholic, Rudd was actively involved in the Evangelical Union while studying at the Australian National University,and he began attending Anglican services in the 1980s with his wife. In December 2009, Rudd attended a Catholic Mass to commemorate the canonisation of Mary MacKillop at which he received Holy Communion. Rudd's actions provoked criticism and debate among both among political and religious circles.A report by The Australian quoted that Rudd embraced Anglicanism but at the same time did not formally renounce his Catholic faith."
(Wiki)

Ummmm ...

Mr Rudd believes homosexuality is not an abnormal condition. "If you accept it to be natural and normal to be gay then it follows it is not right for two folk who love each other to be denied marriage." he said.

A very big IF in there, me thinks.

He went on (and on) the Bible is about "universal love, loving your fellow man" (yes, but not that way, old chap) and that he had changed his view on the issue after "reflection in good Christian conscience."

That's okay then - but do reflect a bit more before returning to a Catholic Mass and receiving Communion.

8 September 2013 16:03  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Inspector, perhaps Aussies are smarter than the rest of us. Many of my fellow Canadians...most of us who are huddled in cities within a few hundred miles of our southern border and enjoy about a month and half of fair weather...quake over imagined horrors of a global warming.

8 September 2013 16:03  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...


Avi, the Inspector rumbled the climate warming scam after it was announced that far from restricting air flight, the most ‘damaging’ of human activity per head involved, and equivalent to a billion farting belching cows, it’s full speed ahead to get another runway built in London. The well to do, including those who would make a living from us by issuing us all carbon ration books are increasing in number and are somewhat tired of airport waits...

Rather reminiscent of when he heard that cruise ships were now sailing around the Antarctic so that the deeply concerned can view the unfortunate build up of pollution which is now marring the former pristine environment that was there until cruise ships stated showing up...


8 September 2013 16:22  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Gnostic: "Fingers crossed that Abbott lives up to expectations."

As soon as I read his intentions, I thought "no chance". Though perhaps Aus has more room to manoeuvre given that it wasn't crippled by the global finanical mess and membership of the EU.

8 September 2013 16:36  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

I marvel that, even in this electronic age, Australia can still seem like a faraway outpost of North Atlantic civilisation, a bit out of touch.

As late as 2013, it has come up with a neoliberal leader who started out as an economically left-wing social conservative.

Just when, following the collapse of neoliberalism, economically left-wing social conservatives are coming back in Europe and North America.

Immediately upon taking office, Tony Abbott the Anglophile, Catholic, pro-American cannot have all three of Britain, Rome and America on the issue of Syria. (He is in any case as much of a Cafeteria Catholic as if he were an economically left-wing social liberal.)

If he goes in, then he goes in with the President of the United States but against the Pope and against the British Parliament, though not against the British Prime Minister.

If he stays out, then he stays out against the President of the United States and against the British Prime Minister, though not against the British Parliament and not against the Pope.

His great new electoral coalition, which would have been remarkable if he had pulled it off, is already over.

Meanwhile, Western Australia has returned a member of the Australian Sports Party to the Senate, and Victoria a member of the Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party.

But rejoice that Senator Jacinta Collins has been re-elected into Victoria.

And who were those 47,391 DLP voters in New South Wales, of all places? Mannix has beaten Gilroy in the end, it would seem.

David Cameron and Tony Abbott have absolutely nothing in common politically. But then, nor have Britain and Australia.

Australia has AV and compulsory voting, and, as in America, her rural areas expect next to nothing from government.

Whereas Britain has First Past The Post and voluntary voting, and the more rural an area is here, the more it expects from the State.

Yet both parties that have hitherto done well in rural areas, and which have assumed that no one else ever would, are cutting public provision here with gay abandon. They will reap the whirlwind a mere year and a half from now.

If this election has any message for Britain, then it is that the political culture of any of the Old Dominions is as alien to our own as that of the United States or that of any country on the Continent.

First Lynton Crosby. Or Mark Carney, for that matter. And now, this. Simply not like us at all.

Not even when, as in the case of Abbott, the winner is a British-born Rhodes Scholar, although I am not entirely sure how he got away with that.

Anyway, it illustrates the point: even that long ago, even Oxford regarded even an Australian national who had been born in the United Kingdom as no less foreign than an American.

8 September 2013 16:37  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Inspector,

Siberia, the ultimate destination...

Thank you indeed for that clear explanation of your thoughts. Of course compulsory lessons in Russian, or perhaps the local languages as well (?) would be sensible.

8 September 2013 16:49  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

'Tis a never-ending comedy, Inspector. A friend's brother and his lady-friend flew to one of those Central American countries where they spent two weeks helping build a couple of hovels out of "sustainable" mud brick and straw for the doubly-unfortunate natives there. If they and the other do-gooders had stayed home on their broadening arses and collected and sent the anounts they'd have spent on the trip and the partying they rewarded themselves with, they could have built an entire village with proper building materials.

8 September 2013 17:15  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Peter D,

Unicorns might not fart, but donkey's DO talk...

8 September 2013 17:16  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

The bit about the international aid budget :

I think our coalition government's policy is to 'ring fence' it and indeed try and increase the % of GDP given to it. The dictatorships of the third world were rubbing their hands with that one. Hopefully, they might be grateful and buy a couple of fleets of Rollers or Aston Martinis....

8 September 2013 17:19  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Inspector/Avi,

As Inspector recommended 'the daily mail' for us girls in the thread below I decided to read it online. Quite an interesting article and a fascinating picture about the polar ice cap- it is actually getting BIGGER!

8 September 2013 17:24  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Hannah, shush, don't tell anyone, but high probability that we're hitting the start of a cooling phase cycle, if we go by the current reduction of sunspot activity. As much as it would be a pleasure to see the alarmist climate modeling predictions stay in the trash bin, warming-good, cooling very, very bad.

8 September 2013 17:47  
Blogger C.Law said...

Good Evening YG,

Firstly, the reason that Rudd was not looking despondent in his speeches following his yielding to Abbott was that Labour were beaten but not trounced - he did not face the "wrath" of the electorate.
Secondly, you are correct in stating that the UK dropped Australia (and New Zealand -not to mention the Carribean countries) right in it when they were unceremoniously dropped in favour of the EU, but you are very wrong in your wishful thinking that the UK can quickly restore the original ties. The Aussies (and the rest) will take a very long time before they can trust the Brits ever again - and quite understandably in my view.

8 September 2013 17:48  
Blogger IanCad said...

Truth be told Avi, it is not only the wasted travel expenses but, in my experience, volunteer labour usually just gets in the way.
Gives them a nice, warm, self righteous glow though.

8 September 2013 18:18  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Yes when we ditched those who had fought for us for those who had not, or had even fought against us, we made a huge mistake. Perhaps at the time, just for a few years only, there was a little economic pragmatism, or expectations I should say, that could be placed in the balance, but with the EU long since, slowly but surely becoming an economic go slow area, and other global regions steaming ahead, even that purely economic fig leaf has gone.

If kith and kin, or justice, or legal systems, or even plain common sense mean anything to you, then you may relate to this situation which brought the reality of what had been done in our name into sharp focus. I had a most embarrassing experience three years ago in Invercargill, a town on the southern end of South Island , NZ. On puling into the "camp site" , a rather luxurious one I'd admit, in our hired motorcaravan, one our two month tour of the island group, I transacted all the routine business, signed up, and then got into friendly conversation with the 50 or so years old Kiwi, managing the site, a friendly chap. He said how sick he was of visiting friends and relatives in the UK only to be diverted into a "Other Aliens " lane, and interviewed vigorously for some time, on each occasion. His father and uncle had fought in WW1 and earlier family in preceding wars, whilst Eastern Europeans, many of whom couldn't speak a word of English were ushered through into the country through the "UK and other EU countries" lane, with no questions asked, like the first class British citizens that they weren't. I was for once speechless, quite out of character. All I could do was to think, grasp the situation, put myself in his shoes to some extent, apologize, say that I was part of a large group that disagreed with all this, mention Ukip, and shuffle back to our hired vehicle, thoroughly embarrassed. It hit home I can tell you, even though his approach was always polite and only gently, reasonably pointing to the injustice.

And yes, WHEN we break free from that EU leviathan, we will have to work hard, probably for several generations to convince them that we are sincere and thereby regain some of the lost trust. But will our new , recomposed nation, with its new ethnic composition support such Old Dominion reengagement ? But we must try !

8 September 2013 18:26  
Blogger Gnostic said...

DanJo, I suspect that your "no chance" will have legs in the long run (sic) but I shall remain neutrally optimistic until it becomes obvious that it was never going to be.

:0)

8 September 2013 19:28  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Too right Avi @ 17:15

Few realise that just one obese tourist will keep an entire starving African village fed for half a week...


8 September 2013 19:35  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

After what Britain did to her colonies at the behest of the EU, this man would be quite content if Her Majesty were to dismiss parliament and henceforth rule by decree. What wickedry we send to Westminister...


8 September 2013 19:42  
Blogger IanCad said...

OIG @ 16:22

Re. Cruise ships.

The Queen Victoria uses one gallon of heavy bunker fuel per fifty eight feet!

At eighteen knots thats about two seconds per gallon.

8 September 2013 20:21  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...


IanCad, rather amazed Greenpeace hasn’t torpedoed it...

8 September 2013 20:36  
Blogger IanCad said...

OIG

Very funny.

A more likely scenario - God Forbid - could be when one of these top heavy tubs capsizes.

The thing I was on recently is 205 feet from keel to funnel with only 26 feet in the water.

A moderate wind, a failed stabiliser - Davy Jones!

8 September 2013 20:46  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...


IanCad, and an Italian captain in charge, as he hops over the drowned to save his own skin...

8 September 2013 21:11  
Blogger IanCad said...

OIG,

Or a Greek one, as in the sinking of the Oceanos off the coast of South Africa in 1991.

8 September 2013 21:20  
Blogger ardenjm said...

Who exactly is in the Anglosphere, again?
Are the Irish?
They were made to speak English centuries ago - and, some would argue - speak the most poetic English of all. But I'm not sure that they'd count themselves as in the Anglosphere...Even though, in a way, they've been in it longer than anyone else, ironically enough.

What about Canada? Australia? New Zealand? The USA? South Africa? Kenya? Nigeria? India? Pakistan?
(It gets harder and harder as you go through that list, right?)
So, is it the Anglosphere or is it the (Liberal) Protestant sphere? In which case - why not include Switzerland, Germany, Holland and Scandinavia?
Or is it the WASPosphere?
In which case - you've got most of Canada except the recalcitrant Québecois. You've got most of Australia but only thanks to a Catholic PM. You've got New Zealand. Hmmm. You've got the USA - kinda - for a bit longer. And all the others - you haven't got them at all.

Resurgent Anglosphere?
Maybe...
But it's starting to look like a modern day equivalent of the Holy Roman Empire: neither, holy, roman nor an empire.

8 September 2013 21:50  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Ian and Inspector, just returned from taking my youngest to an old, 19th century brick factory where we marveled at the old extrusion machinery and firing kilns. Beautiful and elegant engineering, powered by a basic boiler which was fueled with coal or coke and could be adapted to wood or scrub charcoal. Replicated and transported to backward regions, it could supply brick for dozens of towns and villages and provide hundreds of actual jobs. The only problem...can't run the machinery with useless solar panels or wind turbines, so no organization would allow that.

Apropos to your note at 19:35, Inspector, having seen a group photo of the saintly volunteers on that project, I would wager that the well-fed collection of grinning, Mountain Equipment Co-op and Tilley Endurables-clad "long pigs" would keep the village at about 2000 calories per day through the cold rainy season if properly preserved and fairly distributed. Another opportunity wasted. Not that I would ever advocate cannibalism, God-forbid, but just saying...

8 September 2013 22:23  
Blogger bluedog said...

David Lindsay @ 16.37 says, 'David Cameron and Tony Abbott have absolutely nothing in common politically. But then, nor have Britain and Australia.'

Wishful words that speak volumes about the dilemma facing British Labour and its unelectable leader Ed Miliband. Like its Australian counterpart, the British Labour Party has been captured by a metropolitan elite who are divorced from the traditional working class electorate in all regards. It is only habit and disbelief in the extent of their betrayal that keeps the British working class in the Labour camp.

The tragedy for the Conservatives is that Cameron has completely blown the opportunity to win this disillusioned working class for the Conservatives. Cameron's socially progressive Europhilia is the antithesis of the message that the Conservatives need to project to win this socially conservative and highly patriotic constituency.

It is Lynton Crosby's challenge to try to pretend that the Conservatives under Cameron are a traditional Tory party. Unless Crosby can pull it off, Cameron's Conservatives will probably lack the numbers to man the polling booths by 2015.

8 September 2013 22:23  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

It is only habit and disbelief in the extent of their betrayal that keeps the British working class in the Labour camp.--Ian Cad

Words to be carved in stone on all public buildings with "British" and "Labour" exchanged for the appropriate location.

8 September 2013 22:34  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Greetings, ardenjm. Interesting point there, one I actually never gave much consideration before. Rightly or wrongly, I use/misuse the term "Anglosphere" to mean countries which are predominantly British in ethnicity...including the Scots and the Irish in that mix of course...and which still use English and prefer English/British cultural and political mores. Yes, Canada, US, New Zealand, Australia and even South Africa, although that one might fall off the horizon line in the way of Zimbabwe soon enough. I'm open to India and Israel as partial members, given the universality of English there, their use of common law, and preference for Anglo-American political ideals and popular culture. Very fuzzy definitions to be sure, but it seems most people use the term as I do.

8 September 2013 23:06  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
Since we don't seem to have an apostle to take up the cross of government, this seems a good enough reason to go down under and never come back till the whole of the UK is a Sodom and Gomorrah and the population has disappeared as a result of no one being able to reproduce.

8 September 2013 23:29  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Mr Integrity, to return only to find the chief mullah of Westminster Jammiyah and the Villayet of Londonistan waiting for you with a Koran in one hand and a scimitar in the other. God forbid, of course.

9 September 2013 00:13  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

ardenjm

One useful touchstone is the sense of continuity with English common law - and, crucially, the Rule of Law. The Republic inherited a raft of legislation from the United Kingdom, which remained on their statute books for decades - only recently has the Oireachtás got around to the important symbolic step of taking them off and legislating (as required) in its own capacity. One piece of legislation that they didn't drop, however, was the totemic Magna Carta (although the Irish got their version a year late). Naturally, the law is (as in the UK) entirely inert from a legal perspective, but it's an easily-recognised statute that embodies the Anglo heritage of the principles of fundamental law (which were, themselves, derived from the administration post-Conquest, so I guess we need to thank the Normans).

So I'd say it's not particularly about an ethnic heritage so much as a cultural and philosophical one that informs a great many other aspects of political life.

9 September 2013 01:50  
Blogger non mouse said...

And there I thought the Old English Law Codes were our own - long before the frogules arrived and made such a mess of eveything that it took nigh on 500 years to begin recovery.

How history does repeat itself.

9 September 2013 06:04  
Blogger The Explorer said...

ardenjm (21:50)/Avi(23:06)

An excellent question: what is the Anglosphere?

It applies to the Francosphere as well.

A school history textbook, briefly in use throughout the Francosphere, began "Our ancestors the Gauls..."
Obviously that's nonsense in ethnic terms somewhere like Guadaloupe, but it arguably could make sense in cultural terms.

For the record, it ran into a firestorm of protest from the Left, and was withdrawn.

9 September 2013 07:49  
Blogger LEN said...

We seem to be entering a very dangerous phase with the leaders of the Anglican Church surrendering everything the Reformers fought so desperately for.It seems Evangelicals are being 'gathered in ' as well.
The most significant event in 500yrs of Church history was revealed as a' fait accompli'on March 29,1994.On that day leading American evangelicals and Catholics signed a joint declaration titled"Evangelicals and Catholics Together;The Christian Mission in the 3rd Millennium."


It called for Catholic and evangelical cooperation on social and cultural issues where both traditions share common goals, one example being the fight against abortion. The accord also stressed mutual allegiance to the Apostles' Creed, world evangelism, justification "by grace through faith because of Christ," and encouraged "civil" discourse over doctrinal differences.
Whilst many who have escaped the clutches of the Roman religion would never have accepted the heresies of Rome a 'common ground 'is being explored in which the two can 'unite'.

Rome will do all it can to destroy the reformation.

Now what about the Muslims?.Catholics share 'a common interest' here the 'veneration ' of Mary and 'Fatima' wasn`t that the name of Mohammeds wife?.

'There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.'(proverbs 14:12)

9 September 2013 09:05  
Blogger LEN said...

For further reading.... (We should all be aware of the schemes of the enemy and in the 'last days 'many(not a few) will be deceived)

proclaimingthegospel.org/equip/articles/35-catholic-evangelical-alliance‎

9 September 2013 10:45  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Avi,

"shush" Moi? LOL!

I guess that's the polar bear saved then and I won't be bombarded by the WWF for funds anymore!

9 September 2013 10:56  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

Hi Len,

I cannot see how talking to others who hold a different faith or are of a different denomination is a plot of the devil etc. I thought that had stopped years ago.

I personally cannot see what is wrong with civilised,thoughtful or even robust discussion between faiths and denominations of churches.

Nor can I see that there is necessarily a compromise involved when faiths campaign on an issue they can agree on.... such as SSM, abortion and religious freedoms. Given there is a similar outlook and common ground, I can't see why this is so horrendous.

I see that there are Christians of various hues on this thread, that do agree that abortion or SSM is wrong.

I am not a Christian, but I can still agree that Christians should not be prevented from 'evangelising' or even having civilised discussions on different faiths.

Doe that mean that the various Jews and Christians here are either compromising or abandoning their respective theologies or beliefs, in the areas where we do agree?

The answer is no.

9 September 2013 11:27  
Blogger ardenjm said...

@LEN

'There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.'(proverbs 14:12)

Never have you spoken a truer word.
In relation to yourself, I would also add these two scriptures:

John 9 vs 40
Those of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these things and said to Him, "We are not blind too, are we?" Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains.

And Matthew 7 vs 21
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness."

Since I wouldn't wish eternal damnation on my worst enemy, however, LEN, be assured I'll light a candle and say a Hail Mary just for you.

Blessings on you.

9 September 2013 15:43  
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9 September 2013 18:19  
Blogger Hannah Kavanagh said...

There is nothing like a quote you against the Bible stuff! This could be a competition or something. Perhaps Evangelicals vs Catholics come strictly come dancing... and we could put it on the god channel...

PS- Len, on the site you gave us, I manged to get a discount of 45% on 'why Catholics are wrong' DVD/Book...

PPS- Ardenjm, lighting candles is cool. Hope I get one! I light a candle or two,every week on a Friday night...

9 September 2013 18:21  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

Dash it all chaps, I have no truck with the Papal Party dogma, but I agree they are spot on when it comes to the secularization of society, abortion, euthanasia, 'Gay' marriage and other moral issues. I have no issue in calling my fellow Romans 'Brothers in Christ' either.

So Len, I do not quite see the issue here. We disagree on various matters, but agree on others. Does this make us all foes or servants of satan?

9 September 2013 20:30  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Lavendon old fellow. We have to consider whether Len is a demon placed here to split Christian unity. It’s not that far fetched if you think about it...


9 September 2013 21:52  
Blogger Peter D said...

He's a poor misguided soul who lifts his ideas from the internet. He's not bright enough to be a demon, Inspector. Though he may have fallen under the influence of one.

9 September 2013 22:33  
Blogger LEN said...

The Catholic response is quite predictable heads stuck firmly .......in the sand.
Of course far easier to follow what 'papa' feeds them than to think for themselves..

'demon possessed' well thats original...not...

The Pharisees accused Jesus of being 'demon possessed',
A bastard, and a friend of sinners.
He was accused of being a winebibber because He ate with sinners(might even have ate with 'gays'. (Mt. 11:19).

Both Jesus and Paul were accused of being “mad” (John 10:20; Acts 26:24).

As I read through the book of Acts, I see how the world accused the early church and I ask myself,

“Am I being accused of any of these things?” These are things I should want to be accused of…

The disciples just wouldn’t shut up

Acts 4:18-20
18 and they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.

They couldn’t stop talking about Jesus and neither will I.

9 September 2013 23:16  
Blogger LEN said...

Ardenjm,
A' hail Mary' will do nothing If you sincerely want to pray pray for yourself and your Catholic friends but pray to Jesus Christ the only mediator between man and God and repent for following a false idolatrous religion.

9 September 2013 23:22  
Blogger LEN said...

Lord Lavendon . No doubt your intentions are good but they pave the way to hell don`t you know?.

9 September 2013 23:24  
Blogger Peter D said...

Len
Just because it's suggested you're 'touched by the wings of evil' doesn't mean you're not.

Tread carefully; the venom in your post suggests all is not well - that you have doubts.

The article triggering your latest outburst highlights the theological differences between protestants and Catholics regarding salvation. Surprise, surprise.

"In the first chapter of Ephesians, Paul describes those who are "in Christ" as: redeemed by the blood of Christ, forgiven, and sealed with the Holy Spirit guaranteeing their inheritance. Yet any Catholic who believes he is eternally secure in Christ is cursed with an anathema by his church (Canon 30, 6th Session, Council of Trent)."

Anathema today is another name for excommunication. It was defined as such in 1917 in recognition of the difference between Christians today and 500 years ago.

Are you like Luther, a tad insecure about salvation? You want certainty that once "born again" that's it - feet up and a one way ticket to Heaven.

The article goes on goes on:

"The document also declares conversion to Christianity "is a continuing process so that the whole life of a Christian should be a passage from death to life, from error to truth, from sin to grace" (Section V)."

Well, that is the Catholic position!

Then the paranoia creeps in. Big, bad Rome looking to entrap good protestants:

"It appears this is yet another strategic move by the Vatican to bring all religions under the influence and power of the Pope."

"Why did Evangelicals sign an agreement that prohibits them from proselytizing Catholics? It may have developed from threats from high ranking Roman Catholic clergy.

Many Catholics have reservations about ecumenicalism. But for goodness sake!

Where did this hatred come from?

"Rome will do all it can to destroy the reformation."

Catholicism sees errors in the reformation. Shock! Horror!

And this is incomprehensible:

"Now what about the Muslims?.Catholics share 'a common interest' here the 'veneration ' of Mary and 'Fatima' wasn`t that the name of Mohammeds wife?."

Really, you're off on another 'end times' are a coming', 'rapture' trip.

Of course the logical flaw in your position is that if the Spirit moves and decides someone is to be "born again" (as you believe) and it's a "once and for all" event (something you switch positions on) then what possible danger lies in Catholicism?

9 September 2013 23:50  
Blogger Peter D said...

Oh and Len, actually, you very rarely talk about Jesus and His message. Your obsession is with attacking Catholicism - and misrepresenting it. Where would your faith be without this 'enemy' - really?

10 September 2013 00:44  
Blogger LEN said...

I think you need to go back and to re read my posts Peter D.

Catholicism has replaced Jesus Christ with 'the Pope.'which is a fact you cannot disprove so your accusations are proved(once again) to be a futile attempt to conceal the real truth about your religion. You cannot disprove what I say so you make a pathetic ad hominem attack.


1.Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) wrote: “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (1 Book of Gregory 9 Decret. c. 3)
2.The Lateran Council addressing Pope Julius II in an oration delivered by Marcellus said: “Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth.” (Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618)
3.Pope Nicholas said of himself: “I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do... wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods. Wherefore, no marvel, if it be in my power to dispense with all things, yea with the precepts of Christ.” (Decret. par. Distinct 96 ch. 7 edit. Lugo 1661)
4.The RC New York catechism states: “The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth... by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth.”
5.The title “Lord God the Pope” - these words appeared in the Canon Law of Rome. “To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical.” (The Gloss extravagances of Pope John XXII Cum. Inter, tit XIV Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685)

(I thank you once again Peter D for giving me the opportunity of revealing Catholic heresies)

10 September 2013 08:31  
Blogger LEN said...

The New Testament was written in Greek, and the Greek translation of 'Vicar of Christ' is 'Anti-(instead of)-christos', or in our English Bible, 'Antichrist'. The word 'Antichrist' is not just a word of wild insult, but is a Bible warning of the false role assumed by the Popes of Rome as supposed vicars of Christ

10 September 2013 08:38  
Blogger LEN said...

Peter D you obviously do not understand Gods ordained method of salvation (Otherwise you would not be a Catholic!)
I have done my best to explain this to you using simple scriptures as revealed by Jesus Christ but you still seem unable to understand?.
Catholic teaching regarding 'salvation' binds one to the Catholic Church instead of Christ perhaps this is what is confusing you?.

10 September 2013 08:45  
Blogger IanCad said...

The history of The Papacy has been bloody and terrible.

Those actions today are generally excused as conforming to the then prevailing zeitgeist.

Rome is on a tight leash.

Let's hope it stays that way.

10 September 2013 08:56  
Blogger Peter D said...

IanCad
That's the SDA in you straining to get out!

Roman Catholicism is not "Babylon" - I think you'll find that is another beast entirely.

And as Ellen White said:
"God has children, many of them, in the Protestant churches, and a large number in the Catholic churches, who are more true to obey the light and to do [to] the very best of their knowledge than a large number among Sabbath keeping Adventists who do not walk in the light."

Len
I give up on you and your venom. Endlessly quoting isolated passages from past texts, out of context, does not substantiate your position. We've been through these all before.

Here's a good summary response to them all:

"One should first of all examine the authenticity of each of these laudatory statement, their authors, the circumstances under which they appeared. That should be done first and properly.

However, the most powerful man on earth is the Pope, that is the message contained in the language of these citations. This is Catholic Truth, there is no man on earth greater than Peter's successor, the Head of the Catholic Church.

I would simply read these texts analogically, taking that which is true out of them, by analogy. We all know the Pope is not divine, not God, not the Holy Spirit. He is a man like you and I physically, he eats and he sleeps, but look at the supreme powers Christ has bestowed on his Office as Pope. What power and authority he can and does use. He pronounces Truth, dogmatic truth, which we have to accept with divine Faith. This is the focus I would use in understanding these texts. God bless you."

You're not here to spread Christ's message. You are willfully ignorant of Catholicism and roam about spreading lies.

May God forgive you.

10 September 2013 20:57  
Blogger LEN said...

Peter D

The Pope is a man ..correct..he is a fallible human being heading up a religious organisation.

I have said before I don`t doubt that there are born again Catholics not because of Catholicism but despite it.
Regarding Peter.... a holy man and a follower of Christ but that is all and that is all Peter would like to be known as.Before Peters denial of Christ Peter was a very proud man and would probably have liked to have been 'the Pope' but after Christ had restored Peter after Calvary Peter was a changed man. Gone was the pride and the bluster Peter said after healing the 'crippled man' "You men of Israel, why are you so amazed at this? Why are you looking at us as though by our own power or holiness we made this man to walk? The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his Son Jesus, that you delivered up to be killed when Pilate wanted to let him go. But you desired a murderer to be set free, and have killed the Prince of Life, whom God has raised from the dead; of which we are witnesses. And his name through faith in his name has made this man strong, whom you see and know, yes, the faith which is by him has given this man perfect strength in front of all of you."

Do you see what has happened to Peter?. Gone was the pride, the focus on himself, his whole focus was on Christ.

Although we have had a few[lot] of heated exchanges I bear you no animosity I oppose the Catholic system not the Catholic people.

May God Bless you and all who seek Christ.



11 September 2013 13:29  
Blogger Peter D said...

Len
"I don`t doubt that there are born again Catholics not because of Catholicism but despite it."

Are you being serious?

"I bear you no animosity I oppose the Catholic system not the Catholic people."

The Catholic "system", as you call it, is Christ's Church and His chosen vehicle for converting the world and bringing His people home.

Until you understand why this is demonstrably so - from the Bible - you have no right to spread lies about the beliefs of Catholics.

And where on earth do you get your psychological "understanding" of Peter from? Certainly not from the Bible.

For reasons known to Himself, Jesus called Peter and entrusted him with leading His Only Church.

No Pope is divine. They are not God, nor the Holy Spirit. However, Christ bestowed His power on the Office as Pope. Some have abused and misused that power. And yet, the Church has stayed true to its mission and always will.

It's all in the Bible. Attack the Bride of Christ - you attack Christ.

12 September 2013 01:59  
Blogger IanCad said...

Peter D

Again, it comes down to Petrine Inheritance.
As a Protestant I contend that is a fiction.

12 September 2013 08:37  
Blogger Martin said...

That Rudd claimed to be an Anglican is yet another indication of how far Anglicanism has sunk. Those Christians still in the sinking ship should leave it, not like rats but like Israel leaving Egypt.

As for Rome, that organization lost the gospel long ago & preaches the gospel of the accursed as Paul would call it.

Peter, of course, had to be corrected by Paul for his error. Hardly evidence of his being the foundation of the Church, I'd rather be in a Church built on Christ. Peter clearly accepted the correction. Rome, however, continues on its accursed way.

The only way of salvation is by grace alone through faith alone & no amount of human activity will add to that work of God.

12 September 2013 08:56  
Blogger LEN said...

Peter D, Christ IS 'The Rock'.

We do not have to wonder who 'the Rock' is Peter tells us himself!.

1 Peter 2:4-84 . As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it stands in Scripture:

“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

7 So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,

7 So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,

The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”[a]
and
A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”

They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.


(Peter D you are stumbling over 'the Rock ' this could not be made any clearer and it is willful to consider any other interpretation )

12 September 2013 12:39  
Blogger Edward Norfolk said...

Tony Abbott's Anglo connections run deep. His father's family were from Newcastle-upon-Tyne and Tony himself was born in London. He was also a Rhodes Scholar. The link below is to a copy of his speech last year at The Queen's College,Oxford.

http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2012/12/15/tony-abbott-transcript-address-queens-college-oxford-uk

Edward Norfolk

p.s. spickandspecks is repeating verbatim the left wing media narrative we have had ad nauseam in Australia. The truth is that the Labor Party was voted out because of 6 years of horrific policies which Mr Abbott campaigned against and was granted a mandate to remove. The disunity was just icing on the cake, and it will continue for a while yet.
Anyone interested in an excellent conservative blog should search for Andrew Bolt from the Herald Sun newspaper in Melbourne.

12 September 2013 14:29  
Blogger LEN said...

Tony Abbot is known as 'The Mad Monk' looking at the above image I can see where they are coming from.

13 September 2013 11:37  

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