Friday, September 20, 2013

Yid Army victory is a defeat for the PC battalion

From Brother Ivo:

The cockles of Brother Ivo's heart are being warmed. Despite the nights drawing in, he senses a thaw. It puts him in mind of that passage in CS Lewis when the small signs of springtime in Narnia were first detected. It began slowly, but gradually it dawns on those who have suffered a long, unforgiving winter that change is on the way. A victory is coming.

Brother Ivo is cheered because the Aslan of Common Sense is on the march.

The improbable setting for this English Spring is White Hart Lane, the home of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, which is a team that has traditionally drawn significant support from its nearby Jewish community. It is not the only club with such support; Leeds United and Manchester City developed similar traditional followings, as did Ajax Amsterdam. But perhaps because of resistance to the marches into the East End by Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists, the Tottenham Club supporters were the subject of particular venom.

Football fans are known to be robust, and few would object to the cheerful singing on a Saturday afternoon of 'Does your Rabbi know your here?', but things were nastier than that. The fans of the team were first characterised as the 'Yids' as a perjorative term until the fans appropriated that term for themselves. Just as some black young men in the US took to calling each other 'nigger' to take the string out of what was initially abuse, so the fan-base identified closely with their Jewish neighbours and both stood against anti-Semitism and embraced the name as a positive and proud expression of fellowship.

To this day, the flag of Israel will often appear in the ground and the most dedicated fans describe themselves as the 'Yid Army'.

Like many other clubs (Everton, Manchester City, Preston North End, Aston Villa), its roots are originally to be found in the social action of the Victorian church. Currently, however, the principal shareholder Joe Lewis and Chairman Daniel Levy are both Jewish, and they have plainly not felt at all discomforted or alienated by the terms of the fans' vocal support. Indeed, they have invested millions of pounds in the club.

The long established pro-Jewish heritage of the club recently became the target of the politically correct. The Chairman of the Black Lawyers Association Mr Peter Herbert threatened the fans with prosecution over their 'Yid Army' chants, and when the fans showed cheerful defiance he asserted: "We are not going to let go on this."

It was another step on behalf of the politically-correct busybody: the Football Association came in, also suggesting that fans would be prosecuted if they did not give up their self identification. Sadly for them, the law requires a hostile mens rea (guilty mind): it was patently not the fans' (singing of themselves) who were seeking to be offensive to anyone. Insofar as they gave it much thought, it was a cultural self-association with a time when their forebears did good things and stood up for what is right.

That said, for a long time it has been no more thought through than when England fans sing 'Land of Hope and Glory'. No doubt if the politically correct could stop that with threats of prosecution because of the perceived insensitivity to the victims of bad colonial practices, they would do so.

Amongst those who have objected is the 'Kick it out' campaign and comedian David Baddiel. Mr Baddiel is doubtless discomforted by the fact that his favoured team are amongst the worst when it comes to anti-Semitic chanting. Interestingly, Mr Baddiel can be deliberately provocative himself: on his Twitter profile he describes himself with the one-word self-description 'Jew'. That word, like 'Yid', is perfectly innocuous per se but is sometimes invested with invective by those with anti-Semitic attitudes. Both George Galloway MP and fellow Bradford MP David Ward might arguably be far more threatening and offensive to the Jewish community than the pro-Israel football supporter.

The Prime Minister has joined the debate, indicating he opposes the heavy-handed threat of prosecution. Toby Young was rather more incisive, asking if football fans are to be prosecuted for calling themselves 'Yids' why homosexual campaigners who call themselves 'queer' should not be similarly treated. One can imagine the squirming of Mr Baddiel if he inadvertently caused the prosecution of that secular saint Peter Tatchell.

One wonders whether the pathologically offended will take up the cause of Christians who are hurt and offended whenever the Lord's name is taken in vain - whether at a football ground or over the airways?

Fortunately, the 'Reasonable Man' - whose wisdom Brother Ivo has recently extolled - has ridden to the rescue in the form of Rabbi Yitzhak Schochet. His balanced analysis is the very embodiment of how this kind of controversy should be approached:
“I think we have to put this in context,” he said. “There is a time and a place for the word, used in different contexts or different settings it will have different implications.

“I maintain that on the Spurs pitch, it is categorically not anti-Semitic and not offensive but rather it is a rallying call of support for a team that has a strong Jewish following.

“If the phrase ‘Yiddo’ was yelled at me on the street that would be something entirely different as then, in the first instance, it would be intended as anti-Semitic.

“One problem is sometimes a certain hyper-sensitivity can exacerbate a problem. I suggest that if there was to be a blanket ban on the term at the Spurs pitch now that will engender anti-Semitism.”

This kindled a flicker of optimism in Brother Ivo's heart and mind, but it was fanned into a cheerful fire by the bloody-minded defiance of the fans who sang their songs at last Saturday's match, supported by the Bishop of Willesden and Tottenham fan Peter Broadbent who tweeted: "Off to the Lane this afternoon. The international break is stupidly disruptive. It'll be good to be back. We'll sing what we want. #coys".

At many levels this is a storm in a teacup. The fans are more motivated for their team, its tradition and its culture than any clearer association with our Jewish friends. Yet Brother Ivo sees this as a potential turning of the tide.

The political correctness of the Frankfurt School of Marxism has hitherto made much progress in defining debate throughout our 'postmodern' (largely anti-religious) society. If you can manage the use of language, you can shape the debate to your own advantage.

This week, an unlikely minority pushed back, resisted the definitions of others, the imposition of a secular political ideology, and faced down the ill-judged threats of prosecution and banning from the grounds. The police have acknowledged that those who do not direct hatred cannot be prosecuted for the use of a word which, at worst, is equivocal.

The fans won through a cultural cohesion which was strengthened and coordinated through the social media. They were enabled to debate the issue swiftly; to develop solidarity and then express it. In former days, the power of media figures, the threats to individuals and isolation would have favoured the politically correct who deliberately captured and re-defined the culture of the national media. This is why so few Christians are to be found at the BBC - unless they are 'in the closet'.

This story is an interesting practical illustration of Douglas Carswell's thesis in his book The End of Politics and the Birth of iDemocracy which argues that modern technology can restore power to the individual. Ten years ago, the views of David Baddiel and Peter Tatchell would have enjoyed disproportionate and overwhelming power because those in the national media give them their blessing. Brother Ivo recalls a senior woman executive at the BBC who once asserted 'Political Correctness IS morality'.

Today. Rabbi Schochet can get as widespread a hearing, whether or not the great and the good approve.

Sadly we still have not yet grasped the potential of this liberation - least of all in the churches, which are chronically averse to embracing cultural change even when it can help them (pace His Grace - Ed.).

In so much of public life, the mighty can be put down from their seat. In both Church and secular society there is untapped potential for 'virtuous information loops' to draw on the wisdom and common sense of the ordinary person.

Douglas Carswell reminds us of the story of the young girl Martha Payne who began photographing her school dinners and writing a blog to critique them. The first response of the Education Authority was to ban her activity - until that repressive response was itself disseminated. This is instructive. When the computer is a mainframe programmed from above, routinely 'computer says no'. In a network, there can be greater reactive fluidity.

As one final thought upon the 'Battle of White Hart Lane', let us briefly consider the news story of how we improve failing hospitals within the NHS. One response has been the plan to put into every nurse's hands an iPad.

Douglas Carswell and Brother Ivo think it would be better to give one to every patient.

Brother Ivo is the Patron Saint of Lawyers.


Blogger The Explorer said...

Great post, Brother Ivo; and a pleasant note on which to bid farewell to the Cranmer Blog. Other matters compel my attention for the foreseeable future.

My thanks to our most gracious host, and to those with whom I have exchanged thoughts over the last eight months.

Hope any remaining IT and dental issues resolve themselves speedily, Inspector.

Over and out.

20 September 2013 at 09:53  
Blogger JohnH said...

" ...Black Lawyers Association... "?

Can anyone join, or are there some racially-motivated restrictions?

20 September 2013 at 09:59  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

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20 September 2013 at 10:09  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Article: "The political correctness of the Frankfurt School of Marxism has hitherto made much progress in defining debate throughout our 'postmodern' (largely anti-religious) society. If you can manage the use of language, you can shape the debate to your own advantage."

There's some truth in that as the so-called Pro-Life lot demonstrate. Also, I expect the debate about disability would have struggled to move towards a Social Model of disability without it.

20 September 2013 at 10:10  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

I hope you're right, Brother Ivo, and that this is indeed the turning of the tide rather than just an isolated exception to the rule.

You mention a move to take the string out of what was initially abuse (sic). If the PC structure is as jerry-built as it looks, taking the string out may even be enough to bring the whole thing crashing down

20 September 2013 at 10:24  
Blogger Martin said...

Actually the culture of this present age, and each preceding age, is that of rebellion and death. The Church cannot adopt the culture of the age and expect to thrive, or even live.

This is the message the Lord gives in Revelation.

The current sad state of the churches, some of which are no longer churches, can be traced back to the mid Victorian Downgrade Controversy and it is quite clear where that has led.

The easiest and most obvious target is the singing which has chosen to ape the culture of the age, with the result that we have unsingable, theologically empty ditties sung in our churches.

Churches that concentrate on 'serving the community' have lost the plot. They are not called to serve anyone but God. They have ceased to worship God and now worship the culture.

Sorry for the rant, maybe I should start a blog.

20 September 2013 at 10:37  
Blogger Tony Aster said...

Martin, you are right about the churches being too PC. You are not ranting so don't apologize. I'm tired of every view apart from atheistical-marxist-homo-trash being called a "rant".
The hate-speech laws are rarely used or relied on by anyone apart from the LGBT militants. They devised it as a weapon to gag others while blaring the vilest abuse themselves.
Here is some news that will interest you about France upholding freedom of conscience against political correctness -

20 September 2013 at 10:43  
Blogger Jay Bee said...

The PC Brigade has been reduced to a Battalion. That is good news. About time they were cut down to size.

Ivo's right about taking the sting out of PC denunciation. It is politics of the playground. The adult equivalent of childish name calling.

Are you opposed to mass immigration and labelled a racist? So am I. Are you of the opinion SSM is a step too far and labelled a bigot? So am I. Are you guilty of knowing more than you are supposed to know about Islam and labelled an Islamophobe. So am I and what is more I don't give a damn. Get hardened to their invective and it just bounces off.

Wear insults with pride as battle honours of the Resistance. Regime Change begins at home. Become part of an Army that will chase the PC Battalion from the field.

20 September 2013 at 11:20  
Blogger David B said...

Bro Ivo continues to grow in office.

A fine piece.

I'm reminded of something one of the principles - Bro Ivo? - brought up a few weeks ago. Lenny Bruce, and his great Yid, Kike and Nigger sketch.

Somehow I don't like the idea that, as Tim Minchin satirised as follows, only a ginger can call a ginger a ginger, but I don't think people should be immune from anything they find offensive, and in any case I don;t think it words in themselves that are offensive, but how they are used and how they are interpreted.

Once again, some common ground between a conservative Christian blog and a liberal atheist reader of it.


20 September 2013 at 11:25  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Jay Bee: "The PC Brigade has been reduced to a Battalion. That is good news. About time they were cut down to size."

Who exactly are they? Are they a distinct and coherent group as far as you're concerned?

20 September 2013 at 11:28  
Blogger Sister Tiberia said...

"Sadly we still have not yet grasped the potential of this liberation - least of all in the churches, which are chronically averse to embracing cultural change even when it can help them!"

I'm a bit more optimistic on this one than you are, Brother Ivo. I think the strongest thing that has happened to Christianity in the last decade has been the rise of Internet discourse in all its forms - the fact that views that the mainstream media would never touch in a million years are getting an airing. It also means that discussions are happening which perhaps the churches are less happy about - but that's the flip side of the coin. The discussions are happening. While people go on talking, the progress is always in the direction of truth, if sometimes by a very roundabout route. (Has Mundabor had a heart attack yet over the latest Pope Francis interview, Peter?) :)

20 September 2013 at 11:35  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Common sense indeed. Here in Barchester we are all proud to call ourselves Trollopes....

20 September 2013 at 11:44  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

"...the young girl Martha Payne who began photographing her school dinners and writing a blog to critique them. The first response of the Education Authority was to ban her activity - until that repressive response was itself disseminated. "

Commonly known as the 'Streisand effect':

"The Streisand effect is the phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely, usually facilitated by the Internet."

20 September 2013 at 11:55  
Blogger IanCad said...

Great Post Brother Ivo,

So, David Cameron is on the right side of this issue. Perhaps he is unwell.

O, that this is indeed the turning of the tide - a dermatological hardening if we're lucky.

However, the forces of sensitivity have a strong ally in the gentle soul of Danny Finklestein. If his performance on Radio 4 is to be repeated in print then we may expect a hissy fit editorial in The Times.

The self-depracation of Jewish humour is what makes it so entertaining.

One of the best examples I know of - about twenty years ago - was of a Jewish singles group in San Francisco who would spend their weekends exploring the trails of Marin County as an adjunct to finding a mate.

The infamous "Dikes on Bikes" was then experiencing rapid growth. In an attempt to boost membership the singles changed their name to "Kikes on Hikes."

20 September 2013 at 11:57  
Blogger IanCad said...

The Explorer

Sorry to hear of your departure.

One naturally wonders as to the cause.

I hope it is not ill-health or the imminent prospect of jail.

Let's hope you are out exploring remote lands where the internet has not yet conquered.

Whatever it is I wish you all the best for the future.

20 September 2013 at 12:17  
Blogger Peter D said...

Sister Tiberia
You'll be pleased to learn Brother Mundabor is in good health and appears to have concluded the interview referred to appears not to be heretical but is Jesuitical and full of ambiguity.

The best quote from Pope Francis' 12,000 word interview is on one of your 'preferred' sites:

"When you express too much, you run the risk of being misunderstood."

One senses 'trouble at mill' lies ahead.

20 September 2013 at 12:35  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Yet Brother Ivo sees this as a potential turning of the tide

The turning tide having met the immovable obstruction of professional perpetual victim Sonia Carr, and all her ilk, it retreats, defeated. Anna Farquhar, by any standards a pillar of the community, used the expression ‘jungle drums’ in Carr’s presence, was branded a racist and was forced to give up her voluntary work in disgrace.

If you’re going to reduce a nation to a ragbag of competing tribes defined by race and religion, you’re going to need political correctness to have any hope of keeping the peace. As Ed West writes in The Diversity Illusion, we’re taking our cue from Singapore:

‘In the city-state, which has a Chinese majority and Malay and Indian minorities, the government may arbitrarily arrest anyone accused of criticising other ethnic groups, and any speech, website or demonstration which offends any community is immediately shut down. The Singaporeans value multiculturalism, but they believe it cannot co-exist with free speech; Europeans are learning the same lesson.’

20 September 2013 at 12:47  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Ivo, as you say it is a storm in a tea cup, especially when compared to what Big Gay has in mind for football. The gambling outfit Paddy Power has teamed up with Stonewall to launch a “Right Behind You” campaign in support of LGBT types involved in the game. Unfortunate term of phrase really, that we can presume was Power’s idea of a bit of humour. Anyway, this is a rather sinister development as it will involve ‘encouraging’ gay footballers to come out about their sexuality. At present, of the several thousand players involved, one cannot think of one footballer who has declared himself.

Ideally, homophobia in a football ground will be considered a hate crime, if Big Gay gets it way. So, with that in mind, we can imagine a scenario that should a player appear on the field and it is known he is gay, the homophobic chanting that we know will result will offer the police seemingly no other alternative than to place the opposing fans under arrest. But of course it won’t come to that. Instead the club concerned will be fined, and fined and fined again until it either stops, or the club is bankrupt.

Social engineering at it’s most effective, and of course, easily transferable to anti Semitic chanting...

Explorer, old fellow. It is with a certain dismay that the Inspector records you going on special leave. Temporary one hopes. Farewell that man..

20 September 2013 at 13:05  
Blogger non mouse said...

Sorry to see you go, Explorer. Those of us who appreciate clarity, succinctness, and intelligence will greatly miss your posts.

20 September 2013 at 13:48  
Blogger Ivan said...

Explorer, best wishes and hope to hear from you soon.

20 September 2013 at 14:06  
Blogger David B said...

Yes, my good wishes to Explorer, too.

One of the sharpest and most cogent, as well as one of the most humane, apologists I have come across.

I shall miss him, and hope he can return soon.


20 September 2013 at 14:18  
Blogger Ivan said...

Suppose a football fan is kicked about the head by thugs hollering "Die Yid", the law says that apart from battery or even attempted murder, it is an aggravated crime as it is motivated by hate. Now on the other hand, if in similar circumstances a BNP supporter was set upon by "activists" screaming "Die Nazi", would that be an aggravating circumstance? Quite likely no, and very properly too, since it is virtuous to hate the Nazis. And before you know it, the differential treatment of the same crimes is duly noted by the grievance-mongers among the "minority communities" however defined and everyone starts clamouring for preferential status. This is basically how PC works on the street level and the prime reason why social cohesion breaks down fairly quickly.

20 September 2013 at 14:49  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Excellent post Brother Ivo,

I certainly hope that Brother Ivo is right, and that this is the turning of the tide against the dominance of the Frankfurt School PC brigade, and the re-emergence of the truth of the common man, however I think it is a little too early to be sure. But let's keep pushing in that direction and as, Jay Bee urges, we must not be cowed by their only real weapon, shame and invective for simply stating the truth.

The Explorer.
Sorry to see you depart. Your posts are a model of brevity and clarity. If you are going exploring in difficult parts take a good compass with you, stay alert and Godspeed.

20 September 2013 at 14:52  
Blogger Nick said...

Very enlightening post Brother Ivo.

I had noted the story in the media but I admit I hadn't thought of it in the ways you expressed in your post.

One wonders what was going through the minds, such as they are, of the lawyers when they threatened prosecution. Was their response inspired by a revulsion of anti-semitism? Of course not. It was a revulsion of anyone being anything other than PC.

If the same group had been shouting for say an economic embargo on Israeli imports, then lawyers would have been on their side.

It seems the PC god is easily upset by the use of words he doesn't like, regardless of the context, and demads retribution in the form of prosecutions.

What a bunch of retards those lawyers are!

20 September 2013 at 15:56  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Good article Brother Ivo.

Talking of freedom of speech poor Godfrey Bloom is getting it from the manipulative media today. They are still furiously going on about his quips about women not cleaning behind the fridge being sluts. A slut is a dirty woman but the media are trying to claim it means slag and get everyone in a rage against Mr Bloom and UKIP, then they (Ch 4 I think) had a go at him because there isn't a black face on the cover of the UKIP brochure so Mr Bloom wallops the interviewer over the head with it and asks how dare he accuse him/UKIP of being racist. They then go over to Mr Farage and ask him about what Godfrey has said but of course this has just happened and Mr Faraage does not quite know the full story so is diplomatic. Then they go over to the conference where Godfrey is speaking in the hope that he comes out with something that can be deemed as offensive which in the looney left world is just about everything.

Mr Bloom should stand his ground.

20 September 2013 at 16:24  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector, are you and Godfrey related by any chance?

20 September 2013 at 16:43  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Mr Bloom should stand his ground as this is an attack from those who don't like freedom of speech and UKIP. His sense of humour does not fit in with modern Britain Mr Farage tells us about Godfrey, but that means anyone with a bit of a quirky sense of humour cannot be a public figure or politician then. I realise we have to fit in to a society and comply to a certain extent, BUT I think speech and language to fit the Marxist politically correct mould or get prosecuted and ostracised for saying something out of what the Frankfurt school says is acceptable to say is not on.

UKIP have to fight for our language back from the manipulative Frankfurt school of Marxisms' definitions.

I noticed the Marxist media concentrate on hounding Mr Bloom and goading him to loose is rag rather than give us news of what UKIP's policies arethat they have launched at their really interesting conference.

20 September 2013 at 16:57  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Can’t stop to post now DanJ0. Just discovered the maid has piled a load of dust under one’s carpet...

20 September 2013 at 17:07  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Marie 1797,

Well put !

Vote Ukip for freedom and liberty, for the UK and The Queen !

The media don't understand Ukip and can't cope with people who talk straight, truthfully and are not cowed by PC pressure. The party is far from perfect but represents our best hope to escape from all this self-destructive, socially divisive madness.

Ukip are the only party that specifically says that they are very comfortable with being "the flag bearers for our Judaeo-Christian heritage" -- Nigel Farage.

Vote Ukip ! Even better join up.

20 September 2013 at 17:09  
Blogger IanCad said...

UkIP would disappear if only the Conservative Party could get a decent leader.

I am leery of the Populist tenor of Farage and other UKIP spokesmen.

I'm staying with the ship.

It is only with a revitalised CP that I believe our liberties can be secured.

20 September 2013 at 17:35  
Blogger The Red Flag said...

They missed the point totally with attempting to stop this. This was the Spurs fans using it as a descripption of themselves, based on historic links to their original fan-base. It was in no wauy being used in an offensive and/or threatening or insulting manner - quite the opposite, they were using it as a pride-filled description of themselves.

Similalrly it is not racist for black people to refer to themselves as 'nigga' when the speak to each other as in "This nigga is tired and of to me crib". Likewise you can go to street markets all over Greater Manchester and see green t shirts with the word Paki on the front stylised in the manner of fcuk. You will also see many young british asians wearing them.

20 September 2013 at 17:37  
Blogger David Hussell said...


I respect your choice but you will have a very long wait for the CP to be revitalized. There was a time when I thought the same way as you.

Sadly that once great party, The Conservative Party, has sold us out again and again to europe, starting with the ultimate traitor Edward Heath. The party is not what it presents itself as being. There is, I believe, no firm prospect in sight of either radically altering the fundamental nature of the EU, or getting a genuine conservative leader who seeks to restore our status as an independent nation state. The Conservative Party is now just another statist, centre of the road grouping. I wish that it were not so, but that is the reality.

20 September 2013 at 19:20  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

To add to David Hussell’s post. Consider this. It is no one’s fault if the leader of the Conservative party goes bad in office over SSM. No one’s fault, after all, there were none so surprised about it than yours truly, who voted for the blighter. But what is damning is the absolute silence that screamed out from the top. No one tried to stop him, at least in public.

Personally, one considers SSM to be the party's latest Munich agreement. A fresh case of eternal shame...

20 September 2013 at 20:38  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

David H You're right they don't understand.
Due to the many years of liberal lefty indoctrination the country is not used to people like Mr Bloom. It would be such a shame that a cracking party like UKIP be crushed and turned into yet another clone of the manufactured Lab/Lib/Con party before they've even had a chance. They need to be stronger.
Listening to their speakers at the conference today a picture is emerging of a party that is unadulterated and genuine but, I feel they are vulnerable to the indoctrinated, vicious, ingrained habits of the BBC and other lefty media just dying to crucify them at the slightest drop of a hat.

20 September 2013 at 22:57  
Blogger The Red Flag said...

Bloom is a tit and even Farage recognises that.

20 September 2013 at 23:02  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

I like Godfrey Bloom even more than Prince Philip.

21 September 2013 at 08:40  
Blogger bluedog said...

Farewell & Godspeed, Mr Explorer. It is to be hoped that your bruising encounter with Mlle de Nova has not been a factor in your decision to depart.

21 September 2013 at 08:57  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Go and boil your bottom you son of silly person!

21 September 2013 at 09:50  
Blogger The Explorer said...

To All:

Thanks for good wishes. I have no wish to be a source of erroneous speculation.

1. I am trying to complete a book.

2. I have had, further, an offer to contribute to a book of essays.

3. We have decided to downsize in view of my wife's recently-diagnosed illness. (The main factor).

When all the above have been dealt with, I may well return to Cranmer.

God bless!

21 September 2013 at 10:00  
Blogger LEN said...

Hope to see you back soon Explorer also that your wife gets well soon.

May the LORD make his face shine on you and be gracious to you;

21 September 2013 at 13:43  
Blogger Anoneumouse said...

yid is the ISO 639-3 language code for Yiddish language.

21 September 2013 at 18:49  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

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22 September 2013 at 03:33  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Explorer, this Yid sends his best wishes to you in your endeavors and a רפואה שלמה, a complete and speedy recovery for your wife. I see you here soon.

22 September 2013 at 03:37  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

David H: "But let's keep pushing in that direction and as, Jay Bee urges, we must not be cowed by their only real weapon, shame and invective for simply stating the truth."

Perhaps there's a need for another 'Pride' movement to openly push back at people who do that sort of stuff, like the Gay Pride one when society driven by the hegemony at the time tried to inappropriately shame and abuse.

22 September 2013 at 10:32  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Blue Dog...thank you for pointing me to Hannah's blog. It was obvious that you knew the real reasons for Explorer's leaving. Your speculation was not erroneous after all it seems.

Explorer's reasons for leaving

" I'm very disappointed in Peter D's attempt to defend Cressida and will be very suspicious from now on (As a person, I mean:) I'm always wary theologically of people who are Catholics first and Christian second. If I thought those two were representative of Cranmer, I'd leave tomorrow."

Cressida, distraught, sobs
into her venetian lace handkerchief.

" Hi Hannah
I came to a decision overnight that I would stop contributing to Cranmer;although I might still be an occasional reader.


b)I want to take on religious sceptics. Cranmer has too much futile point scoring by Catholics: with Protestants rather than atheists, as the main enemy. It's not really my scene."

Oh Explorer,this is absolutely your scene. Your popularity and worth here has been reinforced
( That IS the idea isn't it?)
Hannah does it better than you though!

Almost everyone wants you back. Do not allow the wicked Cressida to drive you away.Even though she engages reluctantly with you at your persistent unprovoked insults.

As the inspector says, live bullets are fired here and even HG tells certain people not to jerk off on his blog. Now imagine if he had said that to you. You would need to be hospitalised for at least a month.Except that in a situation of that nature, as much as they like you, none of them would support you because they are cowards just like you are.

22 September 2013 at 18:14  
Blogger Peter D said...

It is good to learn that Hannah Hysteria is still "hugging kissing and skipping around like goldilocks" for the poor, sensitive and so terribly gallant Explorer.

As if I supported you because you were a Catholic!

22 September 2013 at 19:21  
Blogger The Explorer said...

During a last trawl of Cranmer, I came across Cressida again.

How little you know me, Cressida. My spell in intensive care was a great deal more frightening than you.

Other readers, please note that my main disgust with Cressida was her comment about the death of bluedog's dog. And that she she has not quoted my comments to the Kavanaghs about my wife.

I really prefer not to discuss my private life on so public a forum as this, but my wife's condition will be degenerative and we are moving to take account of it. My writing has deadlines; so blogging on a regular basis has to go.

I do think Protestant/Catholic infighting is a tragedy. I wish Cranmer contributors could move on from it.

I hope to return to Cranmer. I can manage writing deadlines, but how long does it take to manage a house move, or stabilise a degenerative condition? You tell me.

PS This really IS my last posting. If Cressida responds to it, whoever else may read it, it won't be me.

22 September 2013 at 19:46  
Blogger LEN said...

Well those Catholics certainly learned a thing or two from their forebears(the inquisition)
Must really disappoint them not to be able to carry out the' whole process'?.
'By their fruits' etc...

22 September 2013 at 19:59  
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