Wednesday, October 09, 2013

Let us stand and give thanks with Malala

From Brother Ivo:

Some years ago during a trip to the United States, Brother Ivo encountered an intriguing cultural difference between that country and our own.

Whilst watching a television chat show, the celebrity interviewer and his guest slipped away from discussing the latest tour or book deal and began sharing details of their respective prayer lives. It was relaxed, sincere and engaging.

Such easy acceptance of faith and prayer in the public space, with the expectation that the audience would find it a sympathetic digression, would have been unthinkable in this country. Although such acceptance is now increasingly contested by secularist campaigners in the USA, stories still surface with regularity of people confident enough to stand up for their faith. Often they are school or university students which, again, would be rare in this country.

The recollection arose when Brother Ivo's Twitter feed brought him a complaint that Malala Yousafzai, the brave recovering Muslim schoolgirl shot by the Taliban for promoting the education of girls, was more effusive in her thanking of God for her survival than publicly expressing gratitude towards her medical team.

It would be unlikely that this sincere and articulate young woman would neglect to thank her medical carers, and she probably also prays for them too, but her commitment to thank God publicly is plainly felt to be unusual in this country.

She doubtless understands that the skill experience and application of the medical profession is but a part of how anyone survives horrific injury. Many variable factors determine one's survival of trauma, and a wider sense of gratitude is by no means irrational or dismissive of any individual's professional contribution.

Malala sets an example for many of us who hide our religious lights under bushels.

The Scout Association has just announced that it will be removing God from its historic promise upon admission. It seems regrettable that our indigenous culture and its institutions have ceased to sustain space for the majority faith, and that so often it is the Muslim population which holds its priorities - and Brother Ivo applauds them for it.

Christians are to be found in every institution retreating from the acknowledgment of faith within various spheres of public activity. So why might it be that we are especially reticent to express our faith commitment publicly?

We Britons have traditionally presented ourselves as a reserved people; disinclined to share our internal lives, yet the declining confidence in the expression of faith has happened alongside an increased inclination and encouragement to emote. Very often someone will not be asked what they think about an event but what they feel.

From award ceremonies to reality television shows, effusive Facebook expressions of love and friendship, Britons have opened their private lives in a manner that would have been unthinkable to past generations. It appears to be only within the religious field that we have lost our nerve. People seem to be more inhibited about discussing their faith than the number of their sexual partners, which they will cheerfully do on radio phone-ins. It is all very odd.

When tragedy strikes in the public domain, our Prime Minister is likely to speak of "our thoughts" being with victims rather than "our thoughts and prayers", as formulated in earlier terms. One doubts Malala would be so circumspect.

The salt of our faith appears to have lost its flavour: we hesitate to stand up for Jesus, and so embolden the advance of secularism. Secularism is never appeased.

There may be various explanations. All cultures have a herd component, and as ours has become more secularised and vulgar, the pressure for conformity to the ways of a degenerating world has increased. Just as youngsters may feel under peer pressure to conform to early drinking, smoking, or engaging in sexual behaviour, so too does it become all the more difficult to stay true to counter-cultural ideals like Christianity.

A significant contribution has been the growth of humour as a cultural enforcer of the secular popular mainstream. The US radical Saul Alinski taught that isolation and ridicule are significant weapons in the culture wars waged on behalf of the progressive atheistic agenda. Having captured much of the state broadcasting establishment, the norm for comedy entertainment will cheerfully take on Christianity whilst avoiding any references to Islam, which has some minority followers who might respond with lethal force.

For all their rebellious bravado, the young tend to be very conformist, and therefore inclined to leave unchallenged the underlying anti-Christian rhetoric of Stephen Fry and Russell Brand. It is not easy for them.

Yet a strong undercurrent of belief still exists in this country. Away from the institutionalised media captured by the Left, Brother Ivo's Twitter feed is full of prayer requests and thanks for prayer received. We are better at sharing our faith within this seemingly more private portal into our deeper thoughts.

When teaching his disciples how to pray, Jesus taught that one should not be ostentatious in one's public prayer as this can easily become more about self-aggrandisement. In a society where virtually everyone did pray, that advice plainly stands the test of time. But what of now?

If we are to re-establish the practice of regular, confident prayer, don't we have to take a lesson from the likes of Malala who unselfconsciously and openly offers prayerful thanks where it is due for blessing received?

Oddly enough, there is still a folk memory of faith, often amongst those who would struggle to recognise its true provenance. "Thank God" slips easily off the tongue of those who barely recognise its meaning, and those who express gratitude for avoiding disaster often fail to complete the thought by reflecting upon Him to whom that gratitude is directed.

In sadder times, we find roadside shrines spontaneously erected without any depth of appreciation of what this might mean. When sponsored runners tell us they are competing for or in memory of some departed loved one, they are implicitly recognising the ongoing value of that lost person and underpinning that value is frequently the unspoken hope of sharing in the resurrection. As Chesterton suggested, we have not stopped believing but we have become unclear in that belief.

Brother Ivo is bold enough to suggest that, in these modern times, we may need to approach public prayer and thanksgiving in a different way to that suggested by Our Lord. Reticence may have been the prudent response then, but today we seem to be in need of those willing to be publicly faithful and prayerful. By our confidence others may be emboldened. An example needs to be set, and if it takes a young Muslim girl to shake us out of our lethargy and passivity then good for her and shame on us.

Paul taught us not to be ashamed of Christ crucified. And if those of us who know and hold to that truth are lukewarm in our proclamation, what use are we to the weaker brothers and sisters who sense what we know but have been cowed into denial by the monstrous construct that is political correctness?

Tony Blair may not have "done God" whilst in office, but that can be put to good use. He can always stand in Malala's shadow as a bad example.

Brother Ivo is the Patron Saint of Lawyers


Blogger Roy said...

I agree with everything you wrote about Malala and I would be astonished if she has not thanked the doctors and nurses etc. who treated her.

On the subject of the Scouts, it will still be possible to use the original oath with its mention of God; they are simply introducing an alternative oath for atheists/agnostics. Therefore the decision of the Scouts is far preferable to that of the Guides who have abolished the old oath and replaced it with some psychobabble about being true to yourself.

It was Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair's hired liar, if I remember correctly, who said "we don't do God" and Tony Blair lacked the conviction to correct him.

Obviously, Tony Blair lacks the convictions of Malala. And so does the new Bishop of Manchester, the subject of your previous post, who was hailed as a "liberal hero" for simply regurgitating some political correct views on immigration and totally ignoring the problems it causes.

9 October 2013 at 09:52  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Football players have been criticised for crossing themselves after scoring a goal, and not only in Muslim countries.

9 October 2013 at 09:54  
Blogger Rasher Bacon said...

Working with what we have, wouldn't it be great if the Archbishop of Canterbury did a blog post that simply preached the gospel or repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. We've done credit unions, banking reform, food banks, marriage, appreciation of nice things - all of which are applications of the message rather than the message itself.

Perhaps we could give him a text like 1 Corinthians 15:1-5.

Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.

By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve.

Just one post? Leadership matters.

9 October 2013 at 10:36  
Blogger Preacher said...

Good post Brother Ivo.
There's an old saying that going to Mac Donald's regularly doesn't make you a hamburger & going to Church, doesn't mean you are a Christian. Many people when asked what religion they are, will say C.of.E as it's been a safe default position for ages.
In many Churches our faith has been a dead tradition of repetitious rites that are meaningless to the masses & are safe because they don't require bold action on the part of the congregation.
Those that attend & want to do more are encouraged to show their faith through social activities but are told that they mustn't speak about the gospel in case it offends someone. This spirit of timidity soon develops into full blown fear.
We have to be honest & admit that many in our Churches are not saved & born again believers & we do them untold harm by allowing them to think otherwise.
Where are the men of passion & fire the Wesleys, Spurgeons & the rest that challenged their listeners to repent & be born again, to change their lives & serve the Living God?.
Malala is a wonderful example of one young woman's courage & belief in the face of terrible opposition. May God bless her & keep her safe & may we Christians learn from her example.

9 October 2013 at 11:21  
Blogger John Thomas said...

"why might it be that we are especially reticent to express our faith commitment publicly?" - because of the way that public expressions of Christianity get treated, obviously. Yes, many people refer regularly to God - when people say "Oh my God!" I always think they probably have no god ... except themselves, maybe.

9 October 2013 at 11:41  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Give thanks when the child commits apostasy from her disgusting religion.

9 October 2013 at 12:19  
Blogger John Wrake said...

Apparently, society finds her words acceptable. What a pity that a Christian preacher in Perth is arrested on the basis of a complaint that he was shouting. Why do we not know who complained and why they were not charged with wasting police time?

John Wrake

9 October 2013 at 12:31  
Blogger Nath said...

The Christian faith is dead, or in my opinion, must die before it can be reborn here in the UK. A seed falling to the ground, death and resurrection and the Lord preserving a remnant who have not bowed the knee to Baal – staple themes of Christian belief.

The combined ideologies of crass atheistic materialism and a burgeoning Islam will be the whipping hands that bring the people to repentance. Like the oppression of the former USSR or Israel under Babylonian exile a time will come when Britons will be live through a hell of their own creation.

What though will happen to the CoE is another question. Dis- stablishment surely, dissolution probably. Certainly the liberal beliefs of our leadership will be untenable under such conditions – many will fall away.

I anticipate a consolidation of denominations, divisions will be unsustainable – a new church will emerge perhaps one where the surviving orthodox, catholic and protestant communities rediscover their Christian fraternity.

My prayer is that the death of the CoE will be the catalyst for a new and lasting unity.

9 October 2013 at 12:38  
Blogger Corrigan said...

I wonder if any of the "compassionate", "inclusive" (they always use words like that, don't they?) liberals who run the western secular states have considered the massive savings that could be made to state coffers in the field of education where they actually logically consistant in the ideology they use to hound Christians out of the public square?

Since God cannot be proven (the logic goes) He should not be included in the school curriculum. This is usually accompanied by nausiating schoolboy sneering from the usual Guardianista suspects about how if Christians want to go on about their "imaginary friend" they should pay for it themselves, not out of "their" taxes.

Well, ok. By that logic, the state should no longer pay for English teachers beyond the primary school level; there's no need for them after the kids have learned to read and write, as literature, poetry and drama cannot be "proven" either, so if our Guardianista friends want their children to have "diverse" education, they should not expect us Christians to pay for it out of "our" taxes. Ditto music (not the state's business), art (same story) and history should only be taught as a series of dates and events; after all, we don't want to "indoctrinate" children by teaching them interpretations of the motives behind historical events. Languages, also, should only be taught after school and at the expense of the parents, since there are thousands of them and who's to say which ones it is proper to learn. In fact, state schools should only teach science subjects, because they're the only ones which can be "proved".

You know, I really think I'm on to something here. Maybe the secularists have a point about driving out God and doing things their way, wouldn't you agree?

9 October 2013 at 12:42  
Blogger JimS said...

No doubt Masala's attacker praised her god too.

9 October 2013 at 13:00  
Blogger IanCad said...

I don't know how long you took to write and edit this terrific post but anyway, thank you for the great effort that that it all must have entailed.

Oh Boy! did you ever hit the high notes:

The example of a brave, foreign girl becoming an inspiration to us in our comfortable Christianity.

The retreat of Christians in acknowledging their faith.

The inconsistency in our casual display of emotion and our reluctance to talk of Christ.

Feeling not thinking.

Thoughts not prayers.

Conformity in degeneration.

Better not mention Jesus; might offend.

The coarse ravings that pass for humour.

And, very perceptive, the dichotomy of regimentation and rebellion in the young. Always been so, but the blinkered mind of youth has never been so cautious as it is today.

We have expended our Christian capital and are mortgaged to Satan.

There is no oil in our lamps Our light is under a bushel and there is none in us.

Great Post Bro. Ivo.

I see there is, still yet, a remnant.
We were promised that.

9 October 2013 at 13:18  
Blogger Ars Hendrik said...

Good point JimS.

And let's not forget that whilst we are indulging in an orgy of Malala worship, the first Islamic Academy in England is in the dock for apparently relegating its female students to second class status (wear a headscarf, don't read fiction, sit apart from the boys at the back of the classroom, wait for the boys to finish lunch before you eat, and generally shut up and do as you are told) and female teachers are told to likewise wear a headscarf and cover up any evidence of legs, bottoms and fun-bags, lest they should incite the boys in their care to acts of depravity.

Of course, it is true that no girl in England has actually been shot for attending class – yet.

9 October 2013 at 13:24  
Blogger Kidz Klub Bradford said...

Thank you for this post Brother Ivo. Allow me to recount our experience as a small, Christian charity working predominantly in a public sector environment (primary schools).

We have often been tempted to (and even urged to) hide the gospel motivation for our work. We have resolutely refused to do this - we are not ashamed of the gospel or the name of Jesus.

This excludes us from all sorts of grant-making organisations (where religious, sexual, age & racial discrimination are all perfectly acceptable practices!). We have learnt the art of speaking in grant making euphemism (Church = "community"; discipleship = "empowering"; "parish" - neighbourhood etc) but if push comes to shove we do not deny the name of our Saviour. Our literature & website all overtly express our gospel centred objectives : we have no hidden agendas.

Alas, in chasing funding so many similar organisations have abandoned their principles and whilst calling themselves "christian" when seeking support amongst churches, you'll be very hard pressed to find anything that associates them with Christ anywhere else at all - not in their charitable objectives, mission statements, vision & values, news stories etc - and eventually amongst their practices.

Feeling particularly despondent one day after a depressing discussion with a local Christian youth project I decided to google lots of "Christian" charities websites, searching for the words "Jesus" or "Christ" or "Christian". I was even more depressed afterwards!! Virtually all of them returned zero results (some would make heavily veiled references to 'faith' or 'spirituality' if you searched hard enough!).

I know it is a difficult line to walk sometimes. These organisations do not want to jeopardise opportunities to do practical demonstrations of the gospel by proclaiming it too loudly. But it is surely an indictment at just how readily they are willing to disassociate themselves from their 'first love'.

The sad thing is that this denial of Jesus is not only a downright snub to Him (with all the Biblical warnings of such denials), but also largely unnecessary. We have found most schools very appreciative of our work and welcome our up-front acknowledgment of our faith. And several organisations that did very well in my Google research are also leading organisations in their field of specialised ministry : Christians Against Poverty, The Message Trust, XLP.

May your article and Malala's example be an encouragement to all us to start declaring the name of our Saviour boldy.

9 October 2013 at 14:07  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

A non-Muslim who taught at the Al-Madinah school said on the radio that its pupils had to wash their genitals before prayer, under the supervision of a teacher. The ablution rite requires only the face, head, hands, forearms and feet to be washed. One wonders how many other Muslim schools provide similar entertainment for their members of staff.

9 October 2013 at 14:15  
Blogger Julia Gasper said...

Funnily enough in the richer Muslim countries of the Gulf women are now equalling or outnumbering men at universities. In fact women are qualifying for the professions in greater numbers than men. Will this bring about social change? Wait and see.

9 October 2013 at 14:43  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

9 October 2013 at 15:15  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Good comment Preacher,
Where are the men of Faith?
Arch. Bishop Idahosa from Benin Nigeria once told me that it is sometimes better to lay a new fire rather than try to revive the dying embers as the old ash gets in the way.

9 October 2013 at 16:55  
Blogger David Hussell said...


Your view of how you see the future of Christianity in the UK is very close to mine. By nature I am an optimist, and being a firm, orthodox Christian I know that ultimately, in the long run, all will be well.

However the trajectory of shrinkage and eventually collapse, at least amongst the large liberal sections of the churches, seems very powerful. But, as promised, a remnant will remain, and they will be defined by their "differences" from the nihilistic mainstream culture. From the remnant will eventually spring new growth, I am convinced.

A Godly acquaintance of mine said that he had stopped praying for revival because he's now convinced that God, eventually tiring of the faithlessness of the bulk of those in the Churches, now intends to send The whole Church, in general, suffering. Out of that will spring renewal and revival.

Being an optimist and a fighter by nature I find it difficult to accept his message but I am slowly beginning to think that he may be right.

Finally, I must say that I find the inter-denominational sparring on this site, so often childish and sad, generating much heat but little light. Often it is about egos and knowledge being displayed. Although heavy weight intellects are often brought into play, it seems increasingly to me that we should be concentrating on promoting those features that have always been common to the different Churches rather than revisiting, in public, valid doctrinal differences, but which constitute mere sideshows compared to the big drama being enacted across the west, the retreat of The Truth. CS Lewis was right about that point. We promote the faith through proclaiming the shared faith. I will now pull on my flack jacket as some of those heavyweight intellects take ranging shots !

9 October 2013 at 17:14  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

David Hussell

we should be concentrating on promoting those features that have always been common to the different Churches [. . .] We promote the faith through proclaiming the shared faith.


Coincidentally, Archbishop Cranmer (the Tudor one) puts in an appearance today at the Vatican Insider website:

What is particularly interesting is that the Ordinariate’s liturgy also contains prayers written by the Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Cranmer, who had a part to play in the separation of the English Church from union with the Holy See during the reign of Henry VIII and is considered the father of Anglican spirituality. Cranmer was burnt at the stake in Oxford on 1556 during Queen Mary of England’s brief attempt to restore Roman Catholicism.

9 October 2013 at 17:36  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Dear Brother Ivo.

What you have claimed in your post seems superficially similar to the definition of litter and yet identical in it's absurdity in claiming similarity within religion and what people say and do.

Does a person who leaves bread in a park for the birds litter. Is it intentional as they took it from the cupboard to bring with them??

Does a person who leaves empty cans and fag butts in a park litter. Is it unintentional as he bought them on the way to the park?

In the same way you claim that the girl shot, for being a Muslim girl seeking equality within a religion that claims they are sub male anyway and who gives thanks to allah in public as she is recommended to do by Imams etc is identical to our predicament that Britain faces in reverse. 'Nobody praises God here for nowt'?!

Britain is Christian and our faith is the opposite of Islam. We in Britain are mainly protestant or 'protesting' as oppo to Roman practice as Rome highly values the outward expression of a religious piety and righteousness that must be seen to be accepted as de rigeur for a christian.

Whereas the protesting faith is attached to such verses as " Matthew 6

1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8 BE NOT YE THEREFORE LIKE UNTO THEM: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him."

Salvation is NOT found in a religion, but rather in a Person and He speaks to us directly above by His Words, does He not!!! This is why the majority of christians hid their old outward man candle but shine their light of the inner creature brought forth by God to whomsoever will see it

From your post regarding the sake of outward appearance to others, you would have us major in minors, yes?. Like all outwardly religious positions that emphasise the least important things and then have us neglect what was most important.


9 October 2013 at 17:42  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Further Ivo, old boy.

Do you remember the example Jesus gave of the pharisees, when they picked some of their garden herbs, they would be careful to take a tenth of them and give them to the priests, because the Law of Moses required the Israelites to tithe on their increase.

Jesus endorsed their tithing as good, but criticised them greatly for neglecting other much more important things, like teaching people about and sharing God's love, or defending those who were treated unjustly. You appear to do the same with your post.

Would you truly have us act like those that Jesus condemned as they were not the kind of people who gave secretly to the poor or who prayed behind closed doors. Everything they did was a show so that people would see how holy they supposedly were. They loved it when they were honored by others for putting on their act! Would you really have us act like this under the false pretense that millions will come to Christ by these methods once condemned as those of white walled sepulchres.

The young muslim girl is as lost as anyone without Christ yet we must see favour in the avowal of thanking ALLAH (Not Christ) in public. Get a grip, IVO.

Ecumenical-ism..It doesn't do what it says, put it in the bin!!

As with the sentiments of our communicant Johhny R..what do we, who have saving faith, have in common with the littering that is ISLAM!!!


Luke 18:10-14

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Indeed Lord, INDEED!

9 October 2013 at 17:44  
Blogger Len said...

I think [one] of the problems of the church is that it has become 'institutionalised.'We put one man at 'the front' to speak for all and we consider it our responsibility to turn up once a week and to listen to whatever he has to say.
This is not the Church that God invisaged. All true believers ARE members of the Priesthood this is clearly and emphatically taught in the New Testament (1 Pet. 2:5-9; Rev. 1:6). However, in the church order today the Priesthood of all believers is rejected. The Roman Catholic and to some extent the Protestant priesthood is a re-hash of the Old
Testament Jewish priesthood, where only a small group were' priests.'

This is [one] of the major problems of the Church today

9 October 2013 at 17:46  
Blogger Len said...

Malala shows the difference one voice can make to expose evil and to not bow down to it.

9 October 2013 at 17:52  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

And what would be even more cause for thanks would be the young lady renouncing the faith which is the root cause of her near death experience. But she hasn’t, has she. Somewhat bizarre then that she prays to Allah, while undermining his plan for women on earth.

One hopes she marries well, a cousin most probably, but one who will resist his fellows urges to beat her regularly…

9 October 2013 at 17:54  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Here’s something to embarrass you Len, Jesus had no problems with Jewish priests, so why do you with Christian ones ?

9 October 2013 at 17:57  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


Too easy..

"Jewish priests, so why do you with Christian ones "

God established the priesthood in OT for sacrifices for the aboltion of sins in anticipation of the Lamb of God whereas Christian priest have no sacrifice to perform, now do they, so its a bit of an oxymoron. A wafer don't count as sacrifice!!!

Do try harder, old sport.


9 October 2013 at 18:11  
Blogger Roy said...

JimS said...

No doubt Malala's attacker praised her god too.

What on earth is the point that you are trying to make? Throughout history people have tried to justify evil acts by claiming a higher purpose. That applies to followers of all religions and to atheists too. There are still plenty of Marxists in our universities even if there are few if any fascists.

Malala's attackers might have thought they were serving God but plainly were serving the Devil. Malala's actions, in contrast, were noble and, although she is a Moslem, should be admired by Christians too, as Brother Ivo has pointed out.

9 October 2013 at 18:30  
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9 October 2013 at 18:30  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ ESB + T (17:45)—If I were to liken Brother Ivo to Jens Orback, Brother Ivo may see it as a compliment but that’s a risk I’ll have to take. In 2004, Orback was Sweden’s Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality. During a radio debate he said: ‘We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and the Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.’

@ Len (17:52)—The evil springs from Islam. By remaining a Muslim she does bow down to it.

9 October 2013 at 18:31  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Blowers, both the Inspector and God thanks you. No doubt it's news to the big fella, but there you go...

9 October 2013 at 18:47  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Uncle Brian,

Yes I was aware of the acceptance of some of Cranmer's liturgy within that of the Ordinariate.
I'm sure that is important to those who have migrated in that direction.

Institutions and frameworks are needed to ensure continuity of training and so much else, but I'm convinced that they play little, if any, part in how God views each one of us, situated as we almost always are, within one Trinitarian denomination or other. And I'm certainly not saying that doctrines and creeds are unimportant, since they are vitally important, crucial, but I just wish that more believers would focus on the vast swathe of our commonality.
We can return to the luxury of inter-denominational sniping, if we must, when the general assault on Christianity is over, which I doubt will ever be the case, certainly in this present age.

9 October 2013 at 19:36  
Blogger Brother Ivo said...

One need not embrace Malala's faith to suggest that she presents an example of how to to unself-consciously articulate one's own.

It is odd how easily some seek to impute that which is neither intended nor implied.

9 October 2013 at 20:16  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Agreed, David, particularly your observation at the very end about there being no immediate prospect of a slackening of the assault.

It's interesting that new conflicts are arising within Islam as well, at least in Iran, where students and others from a Shia background have been switching to other denominations, if that's the right word to use in the Muslim context:

9 October 2013 at 20:17  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Come on Ivo, the girl is young and foolish. She thinks she can do a deal with Islam.

Madness, Sir !

9 October 2013 at 20:39  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Uncle Brian,

Salafism. Hhmm. Interesting. The more one looks into Islam the more it becomes apparent that it is the opposite of an unchanging, unassailable monolith. Our wasteful interdenominational skirmishing draws our attention away from such weaknesses, elsewhere, and provides exaggerated perceptions of our own. Remember the motto of The Great Game...... The Inspector knows it well, I'd wager !

9 October 2013 at 21:05  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

I wonder if Malala has thought about converting to Christianity?

Corrigan 12:42

Many a true word said in jest.

I read this week in the DM and Telegraph of magistrates' suggestions to get rid of swearing on the Bible in court because it doesn't mean anything to people anymore which I find shocking but not unexpected, increasing numbers don't know the meaning of the words perjury and conscience these days.

They want it replaced by some secular drivel about the threat of prison if witnesses are discovered to have been lying.

I wonder if that will also apply to the swearing on the Koran too or is it only The Bible that is objectionable?

9 October 2013 at 21:13  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Brother Ivo..

"One need not embrace Malala's FAITH to suggest that she presents an example of how to to unself-consciously articulate ONE'S OWN." So it is faith related, contrasting one with the other!!!

In Islam what she is expressing is called public Du'a as is obligatory prayers in public and is highly recommended as an expression of faith by muslims. IT IS THEREFORE TO BE EXPECTED!!
Listen to the various adherents of violence in the Muslim world as they launch mortars or bullets at each other (it is widely associated with the Muslims who shout it whilst engaged in Jihad) and you will clearly hear the words "Allahu Akbar" They do strange and odd things like that, old fella.

"and she probably also prays for them too, but her commitment to thank God publicly is plainly felt to be unusual in this country." She is praising the false god allah, not god in general but the distinctively named deity called allah who has no relationship with YHWH or Father/Christ/Holy Spirit.

Calling on the name of allah as a precedent was set by Prophet Muhammad when he attacked the Jews of Khaibar. "The Prophet set out for Khaibar and reached it at night. He used not to attack if he reached the people at night, till the day broke. So, when the day dawned, the Jews came out with their bags and spades. When they saw the Prophet; they said, "Muhammad and his army!" The Prophet said, Allahu--Akbar! (Allah is Greater) and Khaibar is ruined, for whenever we approach a nation (i.e. enemy to fight) then it will be a miserable morning for those who have been warned."

Now Ivo, my ecumenical chappie, please note that if the word "Allah" meant "God" as this common universal term you would wish us to be implied by the young Muslims girls thanks as an interfaith expression of public courage , why then would Mohammed be telling the Jews of Khaibar (who supposedly worship the same god) that Islam's Allah is greater? it appears that
Allah is greater... than whatever god others happen to believe in.

"Malala sets an example for many of us who hide our religious lights under bushels. " You might Ivo but others don't.

9 October 2013 at 21:22  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

" It seems regrettable that our indigenous culture and its institutions have ceased to sustain space for the majority faith, and that so often it is the Muslim population which holds its priorities - and Brother Ivo applauds them for it." It's called too S*%$ Scared to do otherwise. WE may have Christ lied about by Rageh Omar as to who He is and we are forced to swallow a muslim invention in what is supposedly a christian documentary. Try having a secular documentary called Islam-the untold story screened and it's removed after one episode due to those peaceful adherents threatening all sorts of retribution.

The decision to allow Christians to use the word 'Allah' in their bibles has led to violent protests and bombings of several Malaysian churches and one of the protesters summed up the thoughts of many Malaysian Muslims, stating, “Allah is only for us, The Christians can use any word, we don’t care, but please don’t use the word Allah.” Oooh dear...Thought we were all one happy 'Abrahamic' family.

"So why might it be that we are especially reticent to express our faith commitment publicly? " You might Ivo but others don't.

"The salt of our faith appears to have lost its flavour: we hesitate to stand up for Jesus, and so embolden the advance of secularism. Secularism is never appeased. " Except if you are a Muslim as the above shows.

"the norm for comedy entertainment will cheerfully take on Christianity whilst avoiding any references to Islam, which has some minority followers who might respond with lethal force. " No Shi'-iTe Sherlock !!!

"For all their rebellious bravado, the young tend to be very conformist, and therefore inclined to leave unchallenged the underlying anti-Christian rhetoric of Stephen Fry and Russell Brand. It is not easy for them. " errrm..whilst avoiding any references to Islam, which has some minority followers who might respond with lethal force. " No ??

"If we are to re-establish the practice of regular, confident prayer, don't we have to take a lesson from the likes of Malala who unselfconsciously and openly offers prayerful thanks where it is due for blessing received? " IT'S CALLED DU'A!!!!

"An example needs to be set, and if it takes a young Muslim girl to shake us out of our lethargy and passivity then good for her and shame on us." Are you saying Ernst and others are in the wrong faith and should apostate mecca-bound??

"It is odd how easily some seek to impute that which is neither intended nor implied. " Please put the shovel down gently and slowly back away from the hole.

Ivo, sometimes, if the urge grabs you to rush like a rebellious teenager to the keyboard and deviler (pun intended) a homily without first engaging brain and Bible..DON'T!!!!


9 October 2013 at 21:22  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Brother Ivo (20:16)—When you live in a Muslim country the phrase you hear far more than any other is al-hamdu lillah, praise Allah or thanks to Allah. It’s thrown in automatically and with as little import as our ‘you know’. So you’re right, there is no self-consciousness attached to its use.

Given that the child’s co-religionists slaughter non-Muslims by divine permission, neither her nor any Muslim should be held up as an exemplar. We are civilized. They are not.

9 October 2013 at 21:27  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Good show Blowers, not just for the wisdom that you preached but for the fact that this man managed to read it all !

9 October 2013 at 21:44  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


Next you'll be telling Ernst and others about the courage of Ensign Kiyoshi Ogawa and how following his example we should live every minute as if it were our last? "yamete!"


9 October 2013 at 21:44  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


"...but for the fact that this man managed to read it all !"

Dear boy.

You appear to suffer from Percepio Alberticus Delerium. A tragic impediment afflicting Roman Catholics that means nothing can be read and digested unless several of the words below are included in formed paragraphs of divine knowledge and expressions??

Absolution Assumption Confessional Consecration Convent Dulia Encyclical Excommunicate Eucharistic Adoration Extreme Unction Habitual grace Heresy Holy Chrism Holy Orders Holy See Immaculate Conception Imprimatur Indulgence Inquisition Legate Limbo Madonna Magisterium Mass Partial Indulgence Penance Pope Peter Purgatory Relic Rosary Scapular Sovereign Pontiff Transubstantiation Viaticum and last but not least Vicar of Christ .

Hope this diagnosis assists in future Ernsty offerings. ;-)


9 October 2013 at 22:09  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

That’s it Blowers. That’s it exactly. No effectuation of a style you are bloody hopeless at. Just you and your words. Stand naked before us if you will, as you will before God when your time comes.

pip pip that man !

9 October 2013 at 22:24  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

OIG Dixitque..

"Ecclesia, uti quaelibet Blowers, filiis suis transmittit rerum gestarum argumentum. Quomodo agendum, ne quid amittatur, sed e contrario, ut omnia altiora in fidei hereditate reddantur? Per Apostolicam Traditionem in Ecclesia, Spiritu Sancto suffragante, servatam nos vivo modo fundantem memoriam attingimus. « Quod vero ab Apostolis traditum est – quemadmodum asserit Concilium Oecumenicum Vaticanum II – ea omnia complectitur quae ad Populi Dei vitam sancte ducendam fidemque augendam conferunt, sicque Ecclesiae, in sua doctrina, vita et cultu, perpetuat cunctisque generationibus transmittit omne quod ipsa est, omne quod credit. pip pip quod homo !"

Strewth, I see what you and Albert mean but in reverse, no wonder you can't read me comments. Thank goodness Ernst is OK in Latin whereas non papal English really does present problems.!!

Me scire si opus adjuvabit (Let me know if you need HELP)?


9 October 2013 at 22:57  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Not sure about “pip pip quod homo !"

Was that really necessary ?

9 October 2013 at 23:23  
Blogger Len said...

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10 October 2013 at 00:01  
Blogger Len said...

J R... 'evil' might take on many forms but it only has one source.
It takes courage to confront intimidation and perhaps that sort of courage is what is needed to escape from the shackles of Islam?.

Inspector..(9 October 2013 17:57.).. Jesus certainly did have a problem with Jewish' priests'..... The High Priest Caiaphas, a Sadducee priest and a Roman-appointee, actively sought to prevent open rebellion against Rome lest it escalate and endanger what little autonomy the Temple priests were given by Caesar Augustus. It was Caiaphas who sent out the Temple police to arrest Jesus, most certainly on grounds that Jesus was seditious against Roman authority. (Inspector you really must read your Bible... or get one even ?)

10 October 2013 at 00:05  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


Quod - That
Homo - Man.

You see slurs where there are none. *Chortling Manfully*


10 October 2013 at 00:51  
Blogger Theo said...

Only this week the Daily Telegraph ran an article about Tesco. In the comments section someone listed the recent calamitous business adventures of the company. I responded to this by saying that the event that immediately preceded this was the financial support given the Gay Pride by Tesco and that flying in the face of God was likely to have consequences. I opined that need to repent if they do not want further negative business events. This comment received some approval from readers before being removed by a moderator.

Far be it for me to compare this to the warnings of Jeremiah but there seem to be similarities.

I do not think this incident trivial as some might; I am left nowhere to protest or argue my case with a major media outlet who vociferously argue for freedom of speech whilst they are the greatest suppressors of this freedom.

It seems that the freedom of speech for Christians is unwelcome and it is unlikely that even if the Archbishop of Canterbury preached a Gospel of repentance it would be unpublished by the media.

10 October 2013 at 07:23  
Blogger David Hussell said...


I hadn't spotted the Tesco link and likely causality, so thank you for drawing attention to it. Actions have repercussions. Good on you for speaking up too.

On your second point, that "freedom of speech for Christians is unwelcome.....etc". I agree wholeheartedly. However I feel that there have always been many who felt that way, but they would have muttered something like, "those bloody do-gooders are on again". Previously there would not have been a direct muzzling from the establishment, although a few would have forced a smile through gritted teeth. But now the powers in the land are undoubtedly, openly aligned against Christianity, mainly. That is what has changed. Few in the establishment are prepared to stand for the historic faith.
Indeed many subscribe to the view to which we are drifting, that Government or rather EU decided secularism must rule all, heavy handidly, with ALL religions pushed into the private and religious buildings, and this is partly a result of wondering how one shows even handedness to all faiths.

I salute the street preachers and the other outspoken ones who are not daunted by such an atmosphere.
Finally I would say this. My preference would be to live, as RC Archbishop Nicholls said not long ago I think, in a throughly Christian country with laws that reflected that. However if that is denied me, my second preference is to live in a country with a very high degree of freedom of speech, and if that upsets people occasionally, including me, then tough, live with it. Given its head Christianity can easily hold its place in the current "market place " of ideas. The worst option is an awful silence with only a constantly changing state imposed secularism purveyed by the "entertainment" industry and ruled by morally ignorant judges. That's another reason why I support UKIP, as they are largely libertarians, who carry the flag for "the Judaeo-Christian heritage", to quote Farage.

10 October 2013 at 08:33  
Blogger IanCad said...


If the extent of your postings can be held as a barometer of your health then can we assume that you are feeling much, much better?
If such is the case then I'm sure all of us will rejoice.

10 October 2013 at 08:38  
Blogger chris r said...

Johnny R 12.19

To whom?

10 October 2013 at 12:00  
Blogger Nick said...

Brother Ivo

I have say I do not agree with your suggestion that we (Christians) should emulate Malala's display of public prayer.

Firstly, our Lord gave us clear instructions that prayer should take place in private as a personal "conversation" with God. I have always felt a little uneasy about public prayer in Church and paryer groups. There is often a sense that such prayers are directed as much at the congregation as at God. I think prayer should be a reflective process that involves a degree of reconciliation with God and allows us to receive his blessings, which also includes the blessing of those we pray for.

Public displays of rhetoric and piety seem to target a human audience, and can be of questionable sincerity.

While I am glad this young girls life was saved, it is clear that her soul has not been saved, as she remains in the clutches of a murderous and blood-thirsty cult.

10 October 2013 at 13:14  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ chris r (12:00)—Christians to God. Muslims, after killing the apostate, to Allah.

10 October 2013 at 13:30  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Blowers and your equally dubious friend…

Christ had no problem with the temple priests as he did not during his mission address the people and tell them they did not need these characters around. So, acquiescent approval then.

One cannot see how the faith could have survived and expanded had it not been for the continuity of priesthood. It would never have progressed beyond cult status, one of many from the Middle East, so one has read. Even now, abolish the priesthood and Christianity would spiral downwards towards being a cult, with adherents eventually measured in the ten of thousands, rather than the hundreds of millions. And with obscurity comes irrelevance. In other words, Christian numbers would be too small to even warrant ignoring. Christ’s mission to the world – a failure.

Now, you extremists, ask yourself this. Having got this wrong, what else do you hold heretically, which is a fabrication of God’s truth.

10 October 2013 at 14:39  
Blogger Unknown said...

from Sister Julian OSC (Order of Saint Cuthbert)
Brother Cuthbert of the OSC is prayer-walking in every Cathedral city on the UK Mainland and Northern Ireland, dressed in cassock-alb and carrying a 7 foot high cross. He attends a communion service at the cathedral (if one is available) and respectfully asks if he can place a letter to the diocesan Bishop on the high altar. Over the past year or so he has reported to our cell group after each journey. He has met various people willing to engage with him in conversation, and some to ask for prayer - and had at least one altercation with a muslim on a market stall. As he is now in his 70s, I feel that he is showing great courage, in flying the flag for God and the Christian faith in our land. Of course he goes with the prayers of the Order and the blessing of the Abbot. To date he has had very little response from Diocesan Bishops! There are still folk there to publicise their faith and if Christians reading this blog would also add their prayers, Brother Cuthbert will feel ever stronger in his pilgrimage.
Each member of the OSC strives to live according to God's will and share the faith throughout our daily lives. May others have no shame to confess the faith of Christ crucified.

10 October 2013 at 18:19  
Blogger Len said...

Inspector just 'man up' and admit you are wrong.

10 October 2013 at 20:13  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

IanCad said...

Thanks for your kind appreciation and concern re my health.

It is not improving but we must keep plodding on, must we not. ;-O

Ernst my dear fellow

11 October 2013 at 01:24  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Office of Inspector General @10 October 2013 14:39

"Christ had no problem with the temple priests as he did not during his mission address the people and tell them they did not need these characters around. So, acquiescent approval then."

Dear boy.

Your continuity is terrible. Special attention must be paid to continuity of the whole story, so you don't make claims about something prior to an event with a glaring omission. i.e. the Crucifixion.
As pertaining to the high priesthood...well?

In the Old Testament, men did not volunteer for the office of high priest!
It was by Divine appointment only.

Man's choice was not the basis for becoming a high priest unlike the priesthood of Rome. That was by God's choice.

This is the plain declaration of Scripture. God will not allow just anyone to represent Him to the people, or the people to Him.

The office was too important to be tainted by pride and politics, which inevitably encroach upon purely human enterprises. The only way to be made high priest is by DIVINE APPOINTMENT, and the appointment of Aaron sets the pattern.

In fact, no other call to be high priest is recorded in Scripture, old or new.

The high priesthood was like a hereditary monarchy. To be high priest you had first to belong to the correct tribe, Levi; and then you had to be a member of the right family within that tribe and physically descended by the right line of decent from the original high priest, Aaron.

So how could Jesus of the tribe of Judah be High Priest? God appointed him to that office as is clear from Psalm 110:4.
He is a High Priest not after the order of Aaron, but of Melchizedek who represented a non-Jewish, a universal priesthood. The significance of the priestly order of Melchizedek is developed at length in chapter 7 of Hebrews and its whole context shows why Christ's High Priest role is superior in all ways contrasted to the old.
On the cross Jesus was the true paschal lamb. The High Priest presented himself as the sacrifice.

This function does not continue in the heavenly sanctuary. Sacrifice is not part of Christ's work before the throne of God, where He is a priest forever.

"Hebrews 7:24-25

24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.".

Christ offered Himself once for all when He offered up Himself.

This is not to be repeated. By that one sacrifice Christ has "obtained eternal redemption for us" (Hebrews 9:11-15..All emphasis here is about 'Eternal').

By virtue of that one perfect sacrifice for sin, Christ now exercises His priestly ministry at the right hand of the Father, presenting and representing His people here on earth. He has been exalted to a position in the heavenly sanctuary as High Priest, transcending everything that took place in the earthly sanctuary. In His exalted position He is the King of righteousness because of His sinless life, and priest forever after the order of Melchizedek, the "one mediator between God and man" (1 Tim. 2:5).

I see no priests and neither did the apostles or early church til Rome re-invented it's own sacrifices!!!


11 October 2013 at 02:02  
Blogger IanCad said...

Great post Ernst.

Too bad it's at the tail end of the thread and, likely, few will read it.

Keep your chin up!


11 October 2013 at 09:10  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


Thank you, its very kind.

"Too bad it's at the tail end of the thread and, likely, few will read it." Christ's supremacy as the Perfect One in all ways and it's being questioned by some is a recurring problem so I am certain the matter isn't ended.



Must remember to translate into Latin next time it's mentioned, for me Tiberian communicants, sloppy old Ernst!!!*Huge Guffaws*

11 October 2013 at 11:26  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

I say Blofeld, what an answer from you. One wagers you could use the bible to claim black is white, what ! You old rascal.

Well, you can stay on the periphery of Christianity if you’re happy there. But a word of warning. Keep it under your hat as our host Cranmer himself is the re-incarnated presence of, yes, a priest ! But then you born agains have never been bothered with castigating Anglicans – not with all those RCCs out there. As they say, if you have to be a hypocrite, you might as well be a big one !!!

11 October 2013 at 18:46  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


"Keep it under your hat as our host Cranmer himself is the re-incarnated presence of, yes, a priest (Dear fella..keep this on the hush hush wink wink say no more but William Tyndale was also but Rome was supreme for a while, was it not. Their Stadium, Their Ball, Their Rules. It was expected. But their is a world of difference between the role of the ordinal in Roman Or Cranmerian/Erastian terminology. Do read A Defence of the True and Catholike Doctrine of the Sacrament of the Body and Bloud of our Saviour Christ by His Nibs - the Former) *Ye Olde Chortleth*

Blowers, you old scallywag.

11 October 2013 at 22:27  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Blofeld. But their is a world of difference between the role of the ordinal in Roman Or Cranmerian/Erastian terminology.

Thought there might be, you old fraud. Priests are back on the agenda then, but only if they are of a protesting nature.

God bless you, you blighter...

11 October 2013 at 23:09  
Blogger Len said...

Being on 'the periphery of Christianity' is probably the best place to be to accurately observe what is actually going on within Christianity.Those who have a 'chosen denomination' feel obliged to protect it whether it lines up with scripture or not.

13 October 2013 at 15:17  
Blogger Len said...

Cranmer was much more then a priest he was a Reformer...He stood up for the truth under duress..this is much the spirit that we need today.In giving up his life Cranmer won.. Truth overcame error.
There is much that needs 'Reforming' in the church today as it was then and we need men who will put Truth above position above even life itself.

13 October 2013 at 15:23  
Blogger Len said...

Ernst.. keep up the good work .The Harvest is ripe but the workers are few!.
Regards to Tiddles.

13 October 2013 at 15:25  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

One suspects you two scoundrels are somewhat compromised by the priesthood in Protestantism.

For example we have Cranmer the reformer. But he hath faileth miserably in his work as he still did remaineth a priest, and thus the blight of the priest continueth to this very day.

How damned inconvenient for you both...


13 October 2013 at 16:44  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Being on 'the periphery of Christianity' is probably the best place

You fool .That’s the very worst place, as it puts you nearer Satan’s influence. One wonders if you have already attracted sufficient attention of the Beast so that on your demise, he will claim your soul for himself. Let’s hope so, what ! After all, going around telling everybody they themselves are not Christians deserves eternal reward, does it not ?

13 October 2013 at 17:00  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


"For example we have Cranmer the reformer. But he hath faileth miserably in his work as he still did remaineth a priest (Protestants views of what comprises 'Priest' were distinctly different from RC's.."We don't do it because of the priesthood of Melchizedek.!!!!"

Do read what the king/priest Melchizedek offered Abraham and what Abraham offered in return?

Genesis 14:18-20

18 Then Melchizedek KING of Salem brought out BREAD AND WINE. He was PRIEST of God Most High, 19 and HE blessed Abram, saying, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. 20 And blessed be God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand." Then Abram gave HIM a tenth of everything.
Heb. 7 argues all this but it must be in Nesite or some other extant language, must it not, for you not to grasp it's argument?

Melchizedek was evidently a TYPE of Christ (Hebrews 7:3
3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, LIKE the Son of God he remains a priest forever. ), in that he foreshadowed Jesus as a king-priest of Jerusalem. This is Jesus' role in the millennial kingdom, my old fruit.

Melchizedek was greater than Abraham. Two things communicate this, so do pay attention dear chap!.

1. Because of WHO blessed WHOM.
In ancient cultures, the greater always blesses the lesser. Melchizedek BLESSED Abraham rather than vice-versa. Therefore, Melchizedek was greater than Abraham.

2. Because of WHO gave gifts to WHOM.
In ancient cultures, the lesser was obligated to give gifts to the greater. Abraham GAVE Melchizedek a tenth of the battle spoils. Therefore, Melchizedek was greater than Abraham....and since the tribe of Levi was "in" Abraham, the Levitical priesthood also acknowledged the superiority of Melchizedek.
Therefore, Melchizedek's priesthood is GREATER than the priesthood descending from Abraham and because the Messiah (who is a Melchizedekian priest) has now come, Jesus' priesthood SUPERSEDES the Levitical priesthood.

Fact therefore...
1. God never planned the Levitical priesthood to be permanent.
2. God has now replaced the whole Old Testament way of relating to him with a better way through Christ.
3. WE ALL can relate to God, confident of his acceptance.
4. WE ARE ALL free from ritualism and free to relate to God personally, any time and any place.

Psalm 110:4
"4 The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek."
All this is available to you right now.....because Jesus is a priest according to the order of Melchizedek! All you have to do is admit to God that you need his forgiveness, and ask Jesus to pay for your sins and reconcile you to God. What do you say, old bean, WHAT DO YOU SAY??.
This was Cranmer's whole argument regarding scriptural based priesthood and NOT TRANSUBSTANTIATION). , and thus the blight of the priest continueth to this very day (Oh...*sigh* do read the above!).

How damned inconvenient for you both..." Please do read your Bible, not just what Rome puts in your gob and noggin, to keep you subservient and quiet. There's a nice fellow.


14 October 2013 at 02:32  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

You’re making a big mistake Blofeld, treating Christianity like some mathematical formula. It’s a spirit, if anything. So, put down your book and enter into the spirit of it, with the priests which have come about from that spirit. You cannot pin down the spirit with mere words...

Or you can sit on the edge and whine...

14 October 2013 at 19:14  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


"You’re making a big mistake Blofeld, treating Christianity like some mathematical formula. It’s a spirit, if anything. So, put down your book and enter into the spirit of it, with the priests which have come about from that spirit. You cannot pin down the spirit with mere words..." Ah. Christian relativism. How utterly delightful.
Your view is not new to today. It has been around since the foundation of the Christian church and argued at length by Rome but within it's set parameters.

The intent by empty rhetoric to dilute the truth through philosophy and vain deceit continues to make its mark in the Christian today who falls prey to a lack of knowledge and accepts relative philosophical arguments in the name of religious tolerance and false unity.

Ernst's belief is held by a call for a stand on the undeniable, absolute truth, as presented in Scripture, and will not give way to be replaced by myths presented by a church that lost it's way many centuries ago.
The danger of Roman Catholic relativism is that it asserts that doctrinal truths can be relative to the individual groups holding them at that time/era.

The Doctrines of scripture are absolute statements that are eternal and hold eternal promise whereas the use of new relative opinion by pope after pope have made the absolute truth a nonsense when viewed through Rome's instruction rather than that catechised by the inspired authors throughout the Old and New testaments.

We may have relativism when it comes to our worship methods or service structures. However, one thing that does not adhere itself to relativism is the SOURCE OF OUR SALVATION (worship is relative, salvation is NOT).

Hebrews 9:11-15

11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.
12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place ONCE FOR ALL, having obtained ETERNAL redemption. 13 For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh,
14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the ETERNAL Spirit offered HIMSELF without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from DEAD WORKS to serve the living God?
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are CALLED may RECEIVE the promise of the ETERNAL inheritance.

Jesus Christ continues to be in all eternity, from the beginning to the end, the only way of salvation and the only forgiver of sins...He has no middle men that do His work. Tetelestai..“It is finished/Paid in full.” This does not act like a 'right to buy scheme', with the Lord putting down a 5% deposit at the cross and we pay the difference til we die!!!

John 19:30

30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

The word Tetelestai was written on business documents or receipts in New Testament times to show that a bill had been paid in FULL.

The connection between receipts and what Christ accomplished would have been quite clear to St John’s Greek-speaking readership (but bloomin mystifying to lovers of self help papal Rome); it would be unmistakable to them that Jesus Christ had died to pay for their sins in FULL...Past/Present/Future.!!!

Or you can sit on the edge and whine..."

You whinge if you want to with your DEAD WORKS, Ernst is not for turning Tiberian.


14 October 2013 at 20:38  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Blofeld, you must appreciate the truth of it. We are born into a sinful world and our sinful hides have to somehow to get through it. The problem with you OT horrors is that NO ONE is saved, other than the likes of you, and your hand servant Len. Well, this man does not apologies to God for being born. There is a message out there for salvation. It’s been heard and adhered to. If it’s not good enough, then it’s not good enough.

That’s it, you old whatever. No more from this man on this thread...

14 October 2013 at 20:54  

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