Monday, October 14, 2013

“Where do you find God in the House of Commons?”

In answer to this question, the Chaplain to the Speaker of the House of Commons, the Rev’d Rose Hudson-Wilkin, responded:
“We have an amazing chapel in Parliament called the Chapel of St Mary Undercroft, which is the base from which I lead worship, so to speak – two Eucharistic services each week there. But, you know, I think I find God in people: in Members, in staff who are living the Faith, because in a sense the Chapel of St Mary Undercroft is a “house”, but God isn’t locked up there, you know. At the end of each Eucharistic prayer, we say, “Send us out into the world.” And so I see Members and staff all trying – those of faith – trying to work out their faith in their parties; in various policies; in living. And I think I can identify, recognise God in them.

"Being here, you actually get to see a completely different side to what the press tries to sell you about MPs. So, for example, we’ve just had the summer. And you hear the press, or you read in the press, O, you know, they’re on this long holiday. No, most of them would probably have two weeks out of the summer. They are mostly in their constituencies. I see MPs who are working very, very hard. I really do. Sometimes to the detriment of their families, too. The face that I see are people who genuinely entered Parliament because they wanted to make a difference. And I think the press very often sometimes treats them like celebrity and then knocks them over or hounds them in a way that can be quite harmful to the soul. And I really would like sometimes for the press – the people behind those stories – to step back and think about the human in terms of what they’re doing.
That's nice.

But His Grace would simply like to point out that some of these Members create and nurture their own cults of celebrity, and they thoroughly deserve knocking over and hounding for their lies, deceit, hypocrisy, and the contempt they sometimes show for the people they purport to represent and the Faith they claim to profess.

Not all, of course. But no doubt when Parliament once again controls the press through the proposed Royal Charter, we can expect lots of stories of how righteous, virtuous and industrious our MPs really are.


Blogger Corrigan said...

But no doubt when Parliament once again controls the press through the proposed Royal Charter, we can expect lots of stories of how righteous, virtuous and industrious our MPs really are.

Come off it, Cranmer. The press is protected because most if not all newspapers and media outlets are part of multi-national conglomerates; those conglomerates give out consultancies and directorships to politicians to keep them sweet; 90% of people entering politics do so in the full, exclusive and conscious pursuit of those sweeteners, not for any visionary ideals or notions of public service. Clamping down on press abuses is a periodic moral panic, but it's not going to happen.

14 October 2013 at 10:51  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

YG said

"But His Grace would simply like to point out that some of these Members create and nurture their own cults of celebrity, and they thoroughly deserve knocking over and hounding for their lies, deceit, hypocrisy, and the contempt they sometimes show for the people they purport to represent and the Faith they claim to profess."

Let Ernst give a rendering;

A wolf in sheep's clothing - Someone who hides malicious intent under the guise of kindliness, appearing helpful and nice.

Aesop's Fable details it this way:

Once upon a time a Wolf resolved to disguise his appearance in order to secure food more easily. Encased in the skin of a sheep, he pastured with the flock deceiving the shepherd by his costume.
In the evening he was shut up by the shepherd in the fold; the gate was closed, and the entrance made thoroughly secure. But the shepherd, returning to the fold during the night to obtain meat for the next day, mistakenly caught up the Wolf instead of a sheep, and killed him instantly.

Old Ernst likes to see the free press as having a loose 'shepherds assistant' role, on behalf of the sheeple, that the wolves are named , sheared and shamed. A free press is better than a regulated one by the political class!

Ernst is reminded of a plumber who told why he went to church...Religious people pay on time, are loathe to complain and passed on his details willy nilly to others in the congregation, hence him never having to do any serious advertising as he had a flock to feed from.

Old Ernst went away saddened but enlightened, all those that say they are Christians are not so.

The worldly wolf will not bear fruit and lies and deceives to flatter and ingratiate. You may not even know he is a Christian by his deeds. You can see this wolf when he goes about his daily affairs and his actions are not such that lead others to Jesus. In fact, his actions turn people away from the truth of the Gospel. He is not an ambassador for Christ but an ambassador of the world and the flesh so does Satan's will.

Matthew 7:16-20 states..You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles?So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

Politicians by nature are emotional manipulators and have no sense of accountability. They often attempt to establish intimacy through the early sharing of deeply personal information that is generally of the 'hook-you-in-and-make-you-sorry-for-me' type such as health problems and worries with their children, done drugs, been bullied and the overwhelming desire to serve at their own great personal expense etc.
They will talk around behind your back and eventually put others in the position of telling you what they would not say themselves, it's 'leaked' by another. They will even call their own 'bigot' but only behind their back and should the populist moment require it they can make you feel guilty for speaking up or for not speaking up, for being too emotional on a subject or for not being emotional enough, for giving and caring, or for not giving and caring enough.
The political wolf is an expert in turning things around, rationalising, justifying and explaining things away.
They can lie so smoothly that you can sit looking at black and they’ll call it white - and argue so persuasively that you begin to doubt your very senses on the matter. Over a period of time this is so insidious and eroding it can literally alter your sense of reality of what is right and wrong on a subject.

Ernst's rule of thumb - TRUST your gut. TRUST your senses.

Once the manipulating wolf finds a successful maneuver - it’s added to their 'Eureka' list and we are all fed a steady diet of this nonsense.

If you see this in his walk and talk, Brethren Beware.


14 October 2013 at 11:37  
Blogger Belsay Bugle said...

Oh yes it is Corrigan.

It is part of the inexorable tightening of the grip of the state.
It has happened to every profession, civil and religious institution and association.

The last great bastion is the free press.

Once the state (it's not just politicians, but the whole panoply of the state apparatus) has the power to prescribe what it is acceptable and not acceptable to say, its power will be complete.

It is the end of centuries of unique freedom in England (because it emanates from England) and we shall not have it again.

Hail the all nurturing, all restricting state!

14 October 2013 at 11:38  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Different people will, as ever, see different things in this short article.
I see the main point, that I believe that His Grace is making, as being that there is an overarching democratic need to retain freedom of the press.

Is not this vital freedom being endangered by these proposed curbs, which is a disgrace and deeply disturbing. Is The Mother of Parliaments about to abort her child, Democracy, I ask ? And is this because the standards of morality followed by some, if not all, MPs is now so far below what the electorate, and an outspoken press, expect from the "Honourable Mmebers", that they dislike the light of day being shone upon their activities to the incredible extent that they are prepared to attack our basic freedoms.
One may argue that with so much sovereignity ceded to the undemocratic, remote, UN and the EU , never has Parliament been so weak, whilst individual MPs are so unprepared to be scrutinized and so remote from their electorate, which is a truly dangerous state of affairs.
We need to restore national democracy. Vote UKIP !

14 October 2013 at 11:45  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Belsay Bugle,

Chin up ! OK you are warning us, but all is not yet lost. There are many who are not prepared to surrender our freedoms with out a bloody good fight. Eventually we will win, if not immediately, then later. Even if we have decades of decline, in such matters, and we are a long way from that scenario, whilst one person believes in freedom, or one book remains containing that idea, recovery is possible.

Truth can not be hidden for ever. Think, the collapse of Nazism, or Communism. Repressive regimes contain the seeds of their own demise.

14 October 2013 at 11:56  
Blogger Belsay Bugle said...

Very heartening Mr Hussell,

But it's not as if the collapse of communism in Russia led to freedom. We have (or had) something unique here, nothing like it exists anywhere else on the planet, so it is a very hard thing to recreate.
Our best hope, it seems to me, is for financial collapse, but the pain of that will be terrible for all.

14 October 2013 at 12:11  
Blogger Martin said...

Interesting how the chaplain is a black woman.

14 October 2013 at 12:26  
Blogger IanCad said...


How wonderful it is that we live in a country that gives opportunity to all.

14 October 2013 at 12:36  
Blogger Corrigan said...

Free press, Belsay? What colour is the sky in your world? The press was never free in Britain; it was always the mouthpiece of whoever owned it. The fact that in the old eastern bloc the owners were the state didn't make Fleet Street any more honest.

14 October 2013 at 13:19  
Blogger Len said...

Rather startling to see the huge golden effigy behind the Chaplain?.
The Apostle Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.Acts 3:6-16.(How times have changed)
Anyway,that aside....
IF Politicians and those behind the politicians(where the real power lies)have TOTAL control of the press then we will know for a fact that our Democracy is really totally finished and we are living in the Orwellian nightmare World where our thinking and ability to express ourselves is strictly monitored and controlled.

14 October 2013 at 13:40  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ IanCad (12:36)—Opportunity knocked for the fragrant Rose after the rainbow Speaker told the not-so-rainbow Dean of Westminster to stuff his recommendation. Thus are the talentless promoted and the talented suppressed.

14 October 2013 at 14:07  
Blogger IanCad said...


I have no doubt that your explanation of the elevation of this lady to the chaplaincy is correct, and I too condemn the process.

However, Martin's post seemed to be occasioned by the shade of her skin.

That was the point of my comment.

To the subject!!

This must be fought with tooth and claw.

Restrictions on the press will lead to utmost tyranny in short order.

Mark well our representatives who support this odious measure.

By their fruits you shall know them.

14 October 2013 at 14:39  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Belsay Beagle,

I agree that what we have is very unusual and fragile.


I agree with the main thrust of your comment. The "angel" is a bit tacky in my opinion.

As an aside from the topic, for over a 1000 years art in the west was Christian art. Now that is undoubtedly no longer the case, I can't say I like the results.

14 October 2013 at 14:53  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

David Hussell

Repressive regimes contain the seeds of their own demise.

Frayed knot, David. Not all of them. Some do, some don't. It's true that the Soviet Union imploded, with not much more than a helping hand from Reagan, Thatcher, and the Polish Pope. But Nazism didn't collapse under it own weight: it had be stamped out by the Allies, at an immense cost.

14 October 2013 at 16:06  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Uncle Brian,

Good point. Yes, they could be long lasting.

However in the case of Nazism it was stopped where it did because of external forces. If it had been allowed to continue (horrible thought) I doubt whether it would have lasted its vaunted 1000 year, but we shall, never be sure, fortunately. It strikes me that it was inherently unstable, economically. But I'm not risking any predictions.

But because of your point it emphasizes the incredible importance of not buckling in now, or in the near future, whilst the existence of a high degree of liberty of expression is known. Now is the time to campaign politically to preserve and/ or restore it in full.

14 October 2013 at 17:11  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

One suspects a muzzled press would be rather like the BBC News in print. You go looking for a story you’ve heard about, and it’s not there to be found.

And we can’t be having that, what !

14 October 2013 at 18:46  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

@ martin: "Interesting how the chaplain is a black woman." Goodness! How PC it all is (but, dare I whisper it, does she also tick the Lesbian and Welsh boxes too?) I note from elsewhere that three of the four Swedish bishops being considered for the Archbishopric have equated Mohammed with Jesus and only one stood up for Christianity as the Truth...needless to say he doesn't stand a cat in hell's chance.

14 October 2013 at 19:09  
Blogger Nick said...

Even in the Soviet Union, where the press was ruled by the state with an iron grip, citizens knew they were being fed propaganda, and did not take it seriously, unless they aspired to gain advantage from the Communist party.

My wife's late father, who was a reluctant member of the Communist party, would show his true feelings for party when under the influence of vodka. For him, like many others, he acted out a part in order to make his life a little easier.

So it will be here if / when the press comes under state control. We will all start from the assumption we are being fed a load of horsesh1t, which, in the case of the BBC and C4, is already my assumption.

14 October 2013 at 20:45  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...


The Soviet state was able to keep the samizdat within what it judged to be acceptable limits, by keeping lists of typewriter owners and preventing easy access to copying machines. In the internet era this is going to call for very much more work and terrific expense, as the Chinese regime is finding out. Will Whitehall be able to afford it?

14 October 2013 at 21:29  
Blogger Julia Gasper said...

Trying to decide who is worse, our journalists or our politicians ...that's a tough one!

I am wondering whether Mr Corrigan is at all related to the lady who once got the Nobel Peace Prize.

14 October 2013 at 23:43  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

One of your best.
Mrs Proudfoot, With this Speaker I would not be surprised at the Gay link.

15 October 2013 at 00:33  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Len: Rather startling to see the huge golden effigy behind the Chaplain?

Not really huge, Len, and not necessarily golden, and if so, probably not solid. If solid, a great way to store gold; thieves would be more reluctant to desecrate a chapel and take off with a likeness of an angelus (Archangel Michael?) staring at them than with dumb, instantly usable coins or bullion. Most likely a wooden carving, though, 14th century perhaps, expertly gilded and tooled with gold leaf to the amount of a few hundred dollars even by currently high gold prices. In any case, an artist-craftsman made it, probably taking half a year to complete the job and earning enough to feed his family for a year. There are worse things to spend money on.

15 October 2013 at 06:39  
Blogger JohnH said...

...three of the four Swedish bishops being considered for the Archbishopric have equated Mohammed with Jesus...

Indicating that not only do they have no understanding of Christianity, but that they have no understanding of Islam either.

15 October 2013 at 08:30  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

...three of the four Swedish bishops being considered for the Archbishopric have equated Mohammed with Jesus...

but are champions of political correctness, the great evil of our time...

15 October 2013 at 10:41  
Blogger Len said...

Avi(.5 October 2013 06:39)..

Interesting to see thieves staggering down the road with a 'large'(looks 'huge' to me perhaps the perspective?) angel covered with gold. Wonder how far they would get before somebody stopped them?.

Sadly there is little respect for 'chapels' in the UK today some have has to have extensive repairs as the lead has been stolen from their roofs!.

Perhaps it is easier to find 'Gold' in the house of commons than' God?.'

15 October 2013 at 18:58  
Blogger Edward Spalton said...

I was minded to write in much the same vein as Mrs Proudie of Barchester. A black,female clergyperson is, I suppose a sort of PC double word score - a lesbian would have made it a triple.

I was recently in the Russian Orthodox Cathedral at Riga and felt that the liturgy was indeed " a window into heaven". The Lord was high and lifted up and his train filled the temple.

What fools the commissars were!
If only they had enforced something like the Alternative Service Book or Common Worship, they could have emptied the churches far more effectively than by making 2 million New Martyrs.

16 October 2013 at 00:45  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

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16 October 2013 at 03:28  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Len, you might be right about the size of the angel, could be bigger that I thought, and I'm guessing its Tudor by the style. There is an incredible conyemporary Master Carver, Mike Painter from Warwickshire, who carves copies from Westminster sculptures and decorations. Carved in wood and gilded with gold leaf, which is what the angel probably is. Worth checking out his fabulous reproductions at

Perhaps it is easier to find 'Gold' in the house of commons than' God?.'

O, for sure, too dull, insipid and crude for the Almighty, compared to the panache and high wit of yesteryear. My favourite howlers:

John Wilkes to the Earl of Sandwich: "I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some vile disease". The Earl replies, "That all depends, sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."

And the classic:

Lady Astor to Sir Winston, "If you were my husband, I'd poison your coffee!" Churchill, "My dear, if you were my wife I'd drink it."

Can't get such good lines out of today's dullards and petty climbers.

16 October 2013 at 03:39  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

I find the assumption of some that the lady here got this post because she is female and black wholly un-backed up by any cogent evidence in every case in which the argument has appeared.

Personally while I think it was a factor with Obama, and the media hype indeed concentrated on this, I strongly doubt that it was with this lady and wish the posts had been more fairly evaluative of her real skills and character.

16 October 2013 at 10:49  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

@ Johnny Rottenborough 14.07

I think your comment is a kindness to those of us who might be a bit depressed by the depression. It is the gift of a rare vintage of ironic humour which must have caused mirth up and down the land.

Not sure the Dean of Westminster's recommendation would want the fate you suggested the Speaker had proposed.

The D.o.w. is despite being bald as a coot, full of energy, and one might even say fresh as a daisy. A man of great moral probity whom would trust him with an oil sheikh's harem.

I am sure some are disappointed not to be able to label the Chaplain as gay since she is married with 3 children!!

It is enormously funny Johnny!!

Well done.

16 October 2013 at 11:43  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Lucy Mullen (11:43)—In light of your encomium I now almost regret my waspish comment about the talentless and the talented. I say ‘almost’ because I have to differ with your assessment (10:49) that Fr Rose was appointed on ability alone. The Dean of Westminster’s prime consideration would have been to recommend the most able candidate whereas the Speaker simply wanted a black woman (in the nicest possible way, of course).

Fr Rose, I think, could do much to alleviate the speculation surrounding her sexuality by adopting a less severe hairstyle. Her current coiffure does rather shout ‘lesbian’.

16 October 2013 at 13:45  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Shouldn't she be Mother Rose? I.e., Mr Rose.

16 October 2013 at 14:47  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Avi—I don’t know what the correct form of address is for a lady vicar. If it is Mother and if there’s any justice, there’ll be a lady vicar called Hubbard and she’ll be getting on in years.

16 October 2013 at 15:30  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Goodness! I did but wonder over tiffin whether the Commons Cryptess has read the 39 Articles, other than the ones Harriet Harman has published in Spare Rib and the New Statesperson, but felt that was going too far. One must be charitable and give her the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure Rose is without a thorn, and does stirling work providing comfort during late night sittings.

17 October 2013 at 15:23  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Mrs P, thou art incorrigible....

17 October 2013 at 18:16  
Blogger IanCad said...

Maybe it's just me, or is this blog getting nastier by the day?

Without any evidence this lady is being tarred and feathered.
Not only is her race being held as a disqualification for her office; now it is her sexual orientation.
Come off it! This petty stuff is ridiculous.

Within her statement is described exactly what should be expected of our MP's. Many fall short. Many don't.

Give the gal a fair shake.

18 October 2013 at 16:03  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

@ IanCad

Don't forget "her sexual orientation" as wrongly diagnosed by people who very oddly think that shortish hair might suggest something gay despite her being married with three children and having no evidence other than their own arrant prejudice to back up their own observations.

Meanwhile back on the hero's podium, with comb to hand...

Oh I give up, some people get everything the opposite to how it really is....Ironic, but there we are.. Misogyny will have its posturing.

18 October 2013 at 18:11  

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