Sunday, December 29, 2013

Thank God for Lucy Winkett and St James's 'Apartheid Wall'


There has been alarming confusion, jaw-dropping consternation and vehement condemnation of the 'Apartheid Wall' which has been erected in front of St James's Church, Piccadilly. It is part of 'Bethlehem Unwrapped', which encourages us to look beyond 'O little town of Bethlehem' to "the Barrier that affects every aspect of daily life". The church explains:
The wall in our courtyard is a replica segment of the wall that surrounds Bethlehem. It is 8 metres tall because the real wall is 8 metres. It obscures the view of this historic church because that is what has happened to Bethlehem’s holy sites and historic places.

In 2009, Patriarchs and Heads of Churches in Jerusalem issued a joint appeal to Christians throughout the world to understand and help to alleviate the desperate hardship the wall has caused. It is a daily disaster for ordinary Palestinian families.

In hosting this festival, St James’s Church joins the movement in Bethlehem known as “beautiful resistance”, celebrating the culture, music, food and humour of those who live behind the Wall. St James’s stands in solidarity with the universal call for a just and sustainable solution for both Palestinians and Israelis.

The stated aim of the wall at its inception in 2002 was to protect Israeli citizens from terrorism. St James’s Church opposes all forms of racism including anti-Semitism and supports the right of the State of Israel to exist with secure internationally recognised borders.

This wall is symbolic of walls all over the world that divide and confine peoples, restricting free movement and dominating the imagination of those who live behind them. We believe that bridges not walls are the only lasting foundation for peace. On Sunday 5 January, the eve of the Feast of the Epiphany, the Wall installation will itself become a bridge accompanied by music and dance. We join with people of all faiths in praying for the day when the Wall will come down.
All net proceeds of the 'Bethlehem Unwrapped' festival are being donated to Amos Trust’s ‘Future Peacemakers’ Appeal, supporting the work of the Holy Land Trust in Bethlehem. The organisers of emphasise their neutrality, and urge others to do the same:
“The most unhelpful thing you can do is be pro one side; it just adds to the conflict. We have to not only understand those people who are oppressing us, but try to walk in their shoes, and ultimately to really engage with what it means to love our enemies.”
His Grace thinks this is all quite marvellous. Honestly, he doesn't know what the fuss is about. The Rev'd Giles Fraser has heeded the exhortation to be neutral:
I know the familiar joke about the Anglican church sitting on the fence so much that it has splinters in its bum, but I admire the fact that places like St James's in Piccadilly are prepared to speak about the multiple injustices created by the wall without succumbing to some nonsense about whose side are you on. That's cheap sloganeering politics, too concerned with maintaining the purity of its own outrage.
But Melanie Phillips has condemned the festival as a "vicious stunt" which "incites hatred against Israel, spreads further stain of revived Jew-hatred in CofE". She writes in an open letter to the Archbishop of Canterbury:
Although the church acknowledges in passing that the original purpose of this ‘wall’ was ‘to protect Israeli citizens from terrorism’, it suggests instead that its only result has been to oppress and harass innocent Palestinians. The inevitable effect of this wholly mendacious and malevolent travesty will be to incite hatred against Israel and all who support its defence against the war of extermination being perpetrated against it.
You see what happened there? That nice Guardian-reading (and contributing) Giles Fraser is doing what that nice Rector Lucy Winkett wanted - not taking sides. But that nasty Daily Mail-reading (and contributing) Melanie Phillips is doing exactly what she was asked not to do - being pro one side (and, incidentally, the wrong one), which, we were told, "just adds to the conflict".

She really ought to take up the violin or something, like that nice Mr Nigel Kennedy. The mellifluous melodies would sweeten her sour features and soothe her troubled spirit. She should be grateful - as should we all - for the nice Rector Lucy Winkett and all at St James's Church, Piccadilly, for highlighting this Christmas the appalling suffering of Palestinians behind Israel's 'Apartheid Wall' (as that nice Mr Kennedy terms it). The suffering of Palestinian Christians is especially harrowing, and, but for Lucy Winkett's 'separation wall', thousands would know nothing of their terrible plight.

Everyday life in Bethlehem and large parts of Judaea-Samaria is a daily siege. Palestinian protection rackets are rife, with $10,000s being extracted by Muslims from the dhimmi Christians, on pain of death and destruction of their property. The owner of the region's only Christian bookstore was recently abducted and murdered; Christian shops and schools are regularly firebombed; zealous Muslims picket colleges to intimidate Christian students into reading and studying the Qur'an. Others place their prayer rugs provocatively in Manger Square to intimidate pilgrims with a mighty show of Islam. There are regular beatings of Christians, and Muslim gangs routinely seize Christian-owned land while the security forces just stand by and watch.

The Christian population of Bethlehem - one of the oldest in the world - is dwindling. In 1947, Christians accounted for 85 per cent of the population. By 1998, their number was around 40 per cent. Today, Christians make up less than 20 per cent of the town. Those that dare to remain risk being taken hostage - including priests and nuns. Bibles are destroyed, churches set on fire and their coffers emptied. The former mayor of Bethlehem Hanna Nasser said bluntly, “There is no future for Christians.”

But none of this is due to Israel's 'Apartheid Wall': this is daily life for Christians under the Palestinian Authority.

The Western media usually ignore the plight of Christians under the PA: the focus is unrelentingly on the denunciation of Israel’s 'Apartheid Wall'.

But Christians are fleeing from Bethlehem for their lives: it is an exodus of biblical proportions.

And we must thank God that Rector Lucy Winkett and St James's Church, Piccadilly, have prophetically given the opportunity for His Grace to share with his readers that Palestinian Muslim terrorists have turned Bethlehem into a safe haven for suicide bombers. They desecrate Manger Square with their 'Allahu Akbars' and defile the Church of the Nativity with their murderous jihad against innocent Christians.

Certainly, we in the West must approach such matters with humility, for we are profoundly ignorant. But, for His Grace, it is not possible to be 'neutral' or pro any of this and still be Christian.

123 Comments:

Blogger chrish said...

These new Age Godless hypocrites only put up a wall so that their Favourite Lefty comedians and media luvvies don`t have the beige civilians competing for their FairTrade hobnobs.
God Bless Israel-only the Church(as evidenced by this BBC fantasy of one)would use this time to stuff itself with halal and Guardian offcuts; all ready for next Winterval...if God spares it that long.

29 December 2013 at 12:54  
Blogger JW said...

When is a wall not a wall?

When it is 92% fence and only concrete in those few places where it is necessary to protect Israelis from snipers.

But of course a fence would not suit the mood music so a concrete wall it is, thus ignoring reality like all other pro-Palestinian propaganda .

29 December 2013 at 13:08  
Blogger ___________ said...

Your Grace,

Persecution of anyone regardless of their religion is a terrible crime. But we must all be vigilant and ensure we do not respond to hatred and violence with hatred and violence. The comments on this blog are known to have a rather nasty edge, and I sincerely hope it is just venting rather than a true reflection of what is in your readers' hearts.

Only love and forgiveness can overcome...

29 December 2013 at 13:10  
Blogger ___________ said...

By the way, @chrish, "Winterval" was never a PC rebranding of Christmas. As the Daily Mail admitted in its clarifications and corrections column (8th Nov 2011):

We stated in an article on 26 September that Christmas has been renamed in various places Winterval. Winterval was the collective name for a season of public events, both religious and secular, which took place in Birmingham in 1997 and 1998. We are happy to make clear that Winterval did not rename or replace Christmas.

I have no idea why this daft misunderstanding persists.

29 December 2013 at 13:13  
Blogger DannyEastVillage said...

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, M'Lord, for presenting a better-nuanced report and analysis of the significance of the action at St James'.

We have long known that none of us have clean hands. But the remembrance of that fact is the first thing thrown overboard even before the Gospel.

29 December 2013 at 13:23  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

No name... Do you have a name?

"Persecution of anyone regardless of their religion is a terrible crime. But we must all be vigilant and ensure we do not respond to hatred and violence with hatred and violence."

I agree that we should not respond with hatred.

Violence may be the only and loving response of course.

I always had a soft spot for the Crusades. Without their sacrifice then, today we would be all be Muslim.

"The comments on this blog are known to have a rather nasty edge"

I actually find the liberal voices are usually the most offensive by far. Presumably you find any voice that does not agree with you both nasty and offensive, which seems to fit the current strategy, (which is the same inside and outside of the church -- any surprises there?????) as always to dress up intolerance as tolerance.

Phil



29 December 2013 at 13:29  
Blogger westofthelaw said...

Well said Sir. I have written to the Church but do not expect a reply! Interestingly the are soon to be hosting a £125 a head banquet there whilst outside people sleep rough without food. Christian? I don't think so.

29 December 2013 at 13:35  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

The best way to avoid inflaming the situation is to keep our damn noses out of other sovereign countries affairs and be thankful and above all, hopeful, our own darling muslims continue to behave themselves...

29 December 2013 at 15:36  
Blogger Stuart Cunliffe said...

From the beginning of the Second Intifada to the construction of the first continuous section of the barrier in July, 2003, 73 Palestinian suicide bombings were carried out from the West Bank, killing 293 Israelis and injuring more than 1,900. Between August, 2003 and the end of 2006, only 12 attacks were carried out from the West Bank.

Other figures demonstrate that deaths from bombings were reduced from 220 in 2002 to three in 2007.

Israel is not apartheid, and never has been.

29 December 2013 at 16:08  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

BTW Your Grace,
Congratulations on your invitation to Lambeth Palace on the 20th Jan 2014. Two ++Canterbury in one place at one time.

29 December 2013 at 16:16  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

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29 December 2013 at 16:41  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

So why do the Israelis get all this attention? Most other nations would respond to repeated terrorist attacks with a lethal application of machine gun bullets. The Israelis just built a wall. There does seem to be a disproportionate reaction to this event given all the horrors that men inflict on each other in this world. Why does the wall get a big public display and not the savage butchery in (say) [insert the name of pretty much any other Middle Eastern state here.]

It would be tempting to attribute the difference to anti-Semitism. While there is some truth to this assertion, I don't think it's a major player. In fact, the difference is more likely to originate in a condescending attitude towards Arabs and Muslims. As in "What do you expect from the less-civilized races. The Jews should know better." There is a double standard being applied, but not necessarily an anti-Semitic double standard.

But in fact the Left has something at stake considerably more important to itself than walls and human rights violations. The clue is present in the statement.

We believe that bridges not walls are the only lasting foundation for peace.

The Palestinian/Israeli conflict is supposed to be the poster child for progressive conflict resolution. It is supposed to affirm to the world progressive ideas about the nature of man and the nature of conflict. Unfortunately for the Left, the conflict stubbornly refuses to follow the script. The conflict is not being solved by discussions and mutual interactions and (the Israelis) taking risks for peace. It's not amenable to the progressive mantra of conflict being the result of oppression and misunderstanding. It insists on revealing itself to be about hatred and the desire for dominance. These are problems for which the Left has no answer.

Instead of affirming the Left in its worldview, it is undermining that worldview. And the wall has become the physical manifestation of the Left's failure. That is why the Wall must go. Christians may be butchered in Bethlehem, but the Wall by its very existence says to the Left "Your worldview is wrong." That is far more threatening and far more concerning than a pike of corpses in a city far away.

carl

29 December 2013 at 16:45  
Blogger Corrigan said...

Deary, deary me. Cranmer's still trying to make out like Israel is a normal state with the same rights as other normal states, isn't he? I guess if you can shift the fundamental assumptions from which you begin to reason, then that kind of trick can work. The fact that Christians fleeing Palestine is very much in line with Israeli wishes (they are, after all, Goyim, and as such, Israelis do not distinguish between them and Muslims, any more than they do between Cranmer and Bin Laden) seems to have passed completely above him. I suppose it will do, when you're seeing what you want to see.

29 December 2013 at 17:21  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

I wonder if we should conduct a poll to see how many Christians in this 'apartheid state' of Israel, would prefer to live in Israel or be ruled by Hamas or the PA?

29 December 2013 at 17:42  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

Corrigan,

Well, the bits of Palestine that Christians are fleeing from are the bits ruled over by Hamas and the PA, so I wouldn't make such a point about that. By contrast Israel is the only country in the middle east with a growing and non-persecuted Christianity. Unlike the rest of the middle east and what is happening in those places (but I came to a conclusion a while back you don't actually give a toss about your fellow believers in the middle east, outside of Israel; I don't think this Church cares either).

As for Israel not being a 'normal' state. In the middle east it isn't, I'd agree; it is afterall the region's only liberal democracy. Perhaps it should be more in line with the rest of the region, say an absolute monarchy, or a fundamentalist theocracy or one run by the generals?

That security barrier, btw, was built to stop terrorist attacks. It has been a success and it should remain in place. .. whatever you or the guardian types say.

29 December 2013 at 17:48  
Blogger IanCad said...

I'm trying to play catch-up after being offline for nearly a month.
Belated Christmas Greetings and a Happy New Year to all.

HG is still on the ramparts blowing the trumpet. Very few still have that certain sound. A mere remnant; but we were never promised comfort and ease. It will be uphill all the way, and this last post shows just what we are up against.

Carl made an astute observation: "---the difference is more likely to originate in a condescending attitude towards Arabs and Muslims. As in "What do you expect from the less-civilized races."

Exactly! The "Useful Idiots" are with us always. Forever appointing themselves as the wise and slightly superior folk who get their jollies from supporting the causes of lesser mortals.
Ever ready to fly to the aid of those who profess to offer a path to a just and perfect world.
Marx had his pilgrims.
Let us also not forget that the largest vocational group, having membership in the National Socialist Party, were, along with other minor professionals, schoolteachers.

29 December 2013 at 18:05  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

The organisers of the entertainment have missed an opportunity to achieve maximum authenticity. But it’s not too late. If it is truly their aim to reproduce faithfully in SW1 the political and social hardships prevailing in Bethlehem, it shouldn’t be hard for them to retain the services of a troupe of performance artists who will harass all Christians in the neighbourhood ― particularly, of course, all clergy and congregations entering or leaving St James’s Church. For full authenticity, the performers will be armed with whatever weapons are in everyday use by the militants who attack Christians in Bethlehem. Shooting, stabbing, and stoning will necessarily form part of the performance, though the organisers will have to decide to what extent they will make do with simulated attacks rather than the real thing. Whether or not Red Cross/Red Crescent ambulances and first-aid personnel are to be made available is another decision that will need to be taken in the light of the real-life situation in Bethlehem. Is such medical attention regularly made available to Christian victims of the Palestinian militants? The murdered bookseller, for instance: the organisers will want to satisfy themselves, in the first place, that every effort was made to save his life on the occasion of his abduction, if they wish to avoid the peril of presenting a falsely prettified Bethlehem experience.

29 December 2013 at 18:14  
Blogger David Hussell said...

God bless Israel, the only democracy in that region.

And God bless it again for offering ME Christians a safe haven.

29 December 2013 at 18:26  
Blogger Flossie said...

How about lobbing a few exploding devices over the wall, so that they can get a real-life taste of struggling for survival?

29 December 2013 at 19:28  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Corrigan wrote:

The fact that Christians fleeing Palestine is very much in line with Israeli wishes

It takes a special form of intellectual legerdemain to find fault with the Israelis because the Palestinians persecute Christians. What was that about "seeing what you want to see." It seems the Israelis are delighted to see the cleansing of Christians from Bethlehem because it serves the greater purpose of getting rid of all non-Jewish from Israel by.. forcing Christian emigration to Israel. Avi, if you are reading this, you guys have just got to work on developing better Evil Jewish Conspiracies. You will never take over the world this way. Maybe you should talk to the guys at Spectre...

they are, after all, Goyim

Now this confuses me. This would seem a generic comment about Jews and not just Israelis. So it would seem a general principle that applies to all Jews everywhere. Hmmmm. We have a word for that, don't we? It's right on the tip of my tongue...

carl

29 December 2013 at 20:20  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Underscores:"I have no idea why this daft misunderstanding persists."

It's a convenient fiction.

29 December 2013 at 20:55  
Blogger Huldah said...

Your Grace exposes truths that should be more generally known: the Christian population of Bethlehem has dwindled steadily under Palestinian, not Israeli control. The endemic corruption and malfeasance of Palestinian officials is well documented. The misuse of finbancial aid is even getting the attention of an EU whose opposition to Israel verges on the ridiculous.

The one sided nature of stunts such as St James' - which serve only to fuel hatred for the world's only Jewish state - ought to make fair minded Anglicans reflect upon the possibility that nearly two millennia of institutional Jew-hatred might have left its mark on Anglican thinking.

29 December 2013 at 21:08  
Blogger David B said...

I've never had much any time for Melanie Phillips, and although I've often said, and still think, that the Palastinians have had a very bad deal, I hate what some of them are doing, and what is being done, often in their names.

HG said "Certainly, we in the West must approach such matters with humility, for we are profoundly ignorant. But, for His Grace, it is not possible to be 'neutral' or pro any of this and still be Christian"

Certainly, we in the West must approach such matters with humility, for we are profoundly ignorant. But, for David B, it is not possible to be 'neutral' or pro any of this and still regard himself as a decent, humane person.

On other matters, my time here in future is likely to be constrained. My health is improving since I left hospital, but my prognosis is not good, and I find myself trying to write more elsewhere, particularly on my discussion board.

Should my friends here, and I think I have some, wish to keep in touch with how I am getting on, I crave HG's indulgence to point out that I am writing mainly in The Lounge section of Secular Cafe, an area not open to non registered users or to google. If people don't wish to indulge in arguments there we do have a private message facility.

I'll stop now before sleeping pills kick in and render me an even less good writer.

I will probably look in from time to time, but just in case, a happy new year to you all,

David

29 December 2013 at 22:09  
Blogger Fleas Mum said...

Perhaps those who condemn the wall should look at the figures of suicide bombers killing innocent but Israeli children, women and men. Perhaps they should talk to the families of the Israeli dead and wounded. Or perhaps, as this activity clearly shows, you regard those people who live there as with less right to live than the Muslims who kill. These same people are killing and abusing Christians in Bethlehem, forcing them to convert or leave. These same Muslims are raping and murdering Christians throughout Muslim controlled countries yet I have not heard a word about them. I did not hear any condemnation of Sudan's attempt at genocide in South Sudan. It seems that Israelis and Coptic Christians don't count today.

29 December 2013 at 22:54  
Blogger Len said...

"The most unhelpful thing you can do is be pro one side; it just adds to the conflict. We have to not only understand those people who are oppressing us, but try to walk in their shoes, and ultimately to really engage with what it means to love our enemies.”

Well this attitude of 'taking no sides' certainly rules out the God of the Bible because He calls the Israelis 'My People' and the Land His!.

So who exactly is St James's Church, Piccadilly speaking for?.
It can only be' Political Correctness' the 'religion' of secular man.
The land of Israel belongs to God and whoever wishes to take it (or divide it up) will answer to God for their actions.


29 December 2013 at 23:00  
Blogger Corrigan said...

I think the point, which Israel's apologists constistently refuse to acknowledge, is that Isreal is to the rest of the region what Mussolini's Italy was to Hiter's Germany. Sure, if you had to choose to live in one or the other, you'd choose Italy, but that doesn't mean it was a desirable place or that other countries should support it or extol it to others. And can I please ask Carl Jacobs to stop embarrassing himself wheeling out the anti-Semite bit. Even HE should have been able to work out by now that it has no effect on me beyond the effect of the sound of a dripping tap. Israelis themselves are quite cynical about screaming it, and if Carl ever has a bout of hiccups and wants a shock, let him make make a mildly critical remark about Israel and watch how fast his erstwhile friends call HIM an anti-Semite. Hasn't he realized by now that to Israelis ALL gentiles are the same, whether they support Israel or not?

29 December 2013 at 23:26  
Blogger non mouse said...

Your Grace - I have difficulty understanding any of this. I mean - they don't even tell us how high the thing is; however, it sounds as if it's covered in electrical measuring devices.

Then there's this churchman whose unacceptable terminology offends me deeply: the familiar joke about the Anglican church sitting on the fence so much that it has splinters in its bum . How patronising, crude, and insulting to his church.

On top of all that, I learn that Bethlehem's "dreamless sleep" is now a nightmare, surrounded by enough din to awaken ... er, the Dead. Indeed, one knows "the hopes and fears of all the years are met..." there still. As ever, the Darkness comprehendeth not the Light.

And I'm sure that dear stable had walls, or the Holy Family could never have used it for shelter.
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I guess, I might understand more by considering all the up-so-down walls in our own heritage. The unholy Romans (who necessitated that Christ's birth be in Bethlehem) left Hadrian's and the Antonine Walls to Britain. What'll happen there next, I wonder, if the euros divide us again, come the elections...?

And then there was the Berlin affair - they pulled that one down just so that they could better infiltrate and rule us via the euSSR (cf madam merkel).

As to the function of our God-given boundary:
(Gaunt:) This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,—

This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.
(Shakespeare, W. King Richard II II.1.40-50).
Ah well - the enemy built its tunnel under that wall, didn't they? And then they flooded out this other Blessed Land with ... oh my goodness ... the very Enemy that threatens Bethlehem.

OIGO is right!!!!

30 December 2013 at 00:42  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Corrigan wrote:

Isreal is to the rest of the region what Mussolini's Italy was to Hiter's Germany.

Because Israel and the Arab nations are so similar in terms of the rule of law and civil rights. Why, you can hardly tell the difference between life in Tel Avi and life in Riyadh. If Corrigan had to live in Israel he would probably never leave his house for fear of the religious police.

And can I please ask Carl Jacobs to stop embarrassing himself wheeling out the anti-Semite bit.

Don't worry about it, Corrigan. I'm not embarrassed at all. And I don't make that charge too often. On this weblog, only you have earned that honor. Well, you and Alpha Draconis...if you remember him.

Even HE should have been able to work out by now that it has no effect on me beyond the effect of the sound of a dripping tap.

Yes, well, I don't much care if you are affected or not. I didn't say it to affect you. I just figured that if you were going to walk the walk, then you should wear the label.

let him make make a mildly critical remark about Israel and watch how fast his erstwhile friends call HIM an anti-Semite.

[cough] USS Liberty [cough]

Hasn't he realized by now that to Israelis ALL gentiles are the same, whether they support Israel or not?

I see you are suddenly being careful to refer to Israelis. Wonder why? Does this mean that Jews are OK with you so long as they are stateless? If Israel was destroyed, would that mean a that all Jews who think "ALL gentiles are the same" would be gone? Or would we still have a problem with the Jews among us?

We're just goyim after all.

carl

30 December 2013 at 01:37  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

One of Happy Jack's favourite songs is this:

O little town of Bethlehem
How still we see thee lie
Above thy deep and dreamless sleep
The silent stars go by
Yet in thy dark streets shineth
The everlasting Light
The hopes and fears of all the years
Are met in thee tonight.

For Christ is born of Mary
And gathered all above
While mortals sleep, the angels keep
Their watch of wondering love
O morning stars together
Proclaim the holy birth
And praises sing to God the King
And Peace to men on earth.

How silently, how silently
The wondrous gift is given!
So God imparts to human hearts
The blessings of His heaven.
No ear may hear His coming,
But in this world of sin,
Where meek souls will receive him still,
The dear Christ enters in.

O holy Child of Bethlehem
Descend to us, we pray
Cast out our sin and enter in
Be born to us today
We hear the Christmas angels
The great glad tidings tell
O come to us, abide with us
Our Lord Emmanuel.


Little children love this song too and take it to their hearts. How it must confuse them when they learn what has happened. What great sadness that the place where the baby Jesus was born to bring us his peace is in such a sorry state.

30 December 2013 at 01:45  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Thank you, Your Grace, I didn't even know about this latest stunt. The are so many of them lately, with the Israel boycotts, that the Jewish media seems to have missed this one.

And sure enough, whenever Israel comes up here, Corrigan. has something for us. To wit:

And can I please ask Carl Jacobs to stop embarrassing himself wheeling out the anti-Semite bit....Even HE should have been able to work out by now that it has no effect on me...

Dude, who cares what, if anything, has an effect on you. And here's my usual reminder: For some inexplicable reason you come across as the definition of an antisemite. And the old, stupid sort too, the kind who forgets himself by picking on and raging at Jews, and laying out his I'm-just-a-stupid-Goy paranoia pathology for all to gawk at, instead of pretending to care about Arabs, human rights and whatever is in fashion, like the more sophisticated Jew-haters do. You should look into that little image problem of yours.

Hasn't [Carl] realized by now that to Israelis ALL gentiles are the same, whether they support Israel or not?" Yey, finally! First new nittwittery I've heard from you in two years. Do expound on the evidence and logic of that one...if it's not too much to ask.

30 December 2013 at 02:16  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Ah, there you are,Carl. Didn't notice you among all the other Goyim here. You guys all look alike to me, you know.

30 December 2013 at 02:19  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Avi

It's nice of you to take time away from the International Jewish Conspiracy in order to join us. I trust there won't be any negative ramifications for you?

carl

30 December 2013 at 02:34  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

It's tough, Carl, but one must multi-task nowadays...the Elders count my time here as Social Media Control and I get bonus points towards a stainless steel fridge with an in-built...get this and fume with jealousy... slushie maker!!!!

But seriously, was pretty busy cranking-up that ice storm we had in Ontario. Did such a swell job, our house lost power too, for four days. Silly me; forgot to smear sheep's blood on our door posts and lintels. This new climate control thing is way too tricky; much easier to screw with the banking system, media and governments.

30 December 2013 at 02:57  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Avi

A built-in slushie maker? I assume that's a Canadian thing?

carl

30 December 2013 at 03:06  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

What? You don't have slushies. O, I forget, you speak American, not real English. It's the shaved ice and pop...or soda, as you say in 'merican...drink you get at gas stations. You still have gas stations, I hope, or did Obama get you to strap arrays of calculator solar panels on your car roofs?

30 December 2013 at 03:11  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Avi

No, no. We call them slushie as well. I was just wondering why people who live North of the Arctic circle would purchase a refrigerator with a built-in slushie maker. But then I realized that the answer was right in front of me.

"Canadians. Of course."

carl

30 December 2013 at 03:17  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

That's a silly assumption, Carl. We need refrigerators to keep our food above absolute zero and from getting a real nasty freezer-burn. And have you ever tried to shave an iceberg into a paper cup with polar bears nipping at your butt?

30 December 2013 at 03:24  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

David B:"My health is improving since I left hospital, but my prognosis is not good"

I'm very sorry to hear that. :(

30 December 2013 at 06:21  
Blogger Albert said...

Very well said, Dr C. It's always hard to know what would be best with Israel - what would we do in their situation? But whatever the rights and wrongs, it seems distinctly strange to be worried about Israel's treatment of Christians (indirectly or otherwise) but turn a blind eye to all the other terrible stuff.

30 December 2013 at 09:02  
Blogger Albert said...

David B,

I'm sorry to hear about your health prognosis. You're in my prayers.

30 December 2013 at 09:03  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

If the BBC fwoarrt for the day usuals are on one side, I'm probably on the other.

30 December 2013 at 09:51  
Blogger Roy said...

@ David B

I would like to echo what DanJ0 and Albert said and express my hope that the doctor's prognosis will turn out to be unduly pessimistic.

I am sure everyone else who reads this blog, regardless of their views on the subjects that come up for discussion, will also wish you the very best.

30 December 2013 at 10:04  
Blogger The Explorer said...

David B:

Albert's sentiments @ 09:03 duplicated.

30 December 2013 at 10:13  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Flossie @9:28 yesterday

Alternatively they could demonstrate about the actual exploding devices used against worshippers at St Georges' Baghdad or listen to the testimony of the admirable Andrew White, vicar of Baghdad. After one religion of peace car bomb there were Christian body parts thrown all around the interior of the church.

As his grace has quoted, if the Arabs put down their guns there will be no more war, if the Jews put down their guns there will be no more Israel.

30 December 2013 at 10:48  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

David B

I was sorry to hear your news. I trust that before long we shall see you back on your old polemical form.

Best wishes,
Brian

30 December 2013 at 10:50  
Blogger Len said...

I find the attitudes of some Churches quite shocking and quite revealing about what goes on inside them.
Many Churches seem to be taking a secular worldview of events particularly regarding Israel.The Media is certainly biased against Israel and some Churches have taken the same stance.

Within a short time of the Jews returning to their land they were attacked by the Arabs and the attacks have gone on since then.
How do you live with a neighbour who constantly attacks you and makes death threats to you?.

Islam cannot redeem itself, cannot change , offers no salvation,offers only intimidation , suppression, fear,and a stranglehold on those bound within it and by all these facets reveals its author.

The Wall? , I would want it higher!

30 December 2013 at 10:54  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Sending my best wishes too David.

30 December 2013 at 10:58  
Blogger William Smith said...

You are quite right to highlight the persecution of Christians by Muslims in Palestine. But to do this was clearly not the intention of Rector Winkett and those at St James's; their intention, plainly, was to do exactly what Melanie Phillips has called them out for doing.

That their actions have elicited the praise of Revd Fraser, the tame cleric of Mr Lutfur Rahman, Islamist Mayor of Tower Hamlets, can only serve of further proof of Ms Phillips' charges.

So the authorities at St James's should not be praised, however handy their stunt is as a hook on which to hang a piece drawing quite rightly attention to Christian persecution in the Holy Land.

30 December 2013 at 12:09  
Blogger William Smith said...

You are quite right to highlight the persecution of Christians by Muslims in Palestine. But to do this was clearly not the intention of Rector Winkett and those at St James's; their intention, plainly, was to do exactly what Melanie Phillips has called them out for doing.

That their actions have elicited the praise of Revd Fraser, the tame cleric of Mr Lutfur Rahman, Islamist Mayor of Tower Hamlets, can only serve of further proof of Ms Phillips' charges.

So the authorities at St James's should not be praised, however handy their stunt is as a hook on which to hang a piece drawing quite rightly attention to Christian persecution in the Holy Land.

30 December 2013 at 12:09  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Further to Len’s comment at 10:54 today:

“What is the theological value of Mohammed’s prophecy from the Christian point of view?” According to the blurb, this is one of the questions addressed in a book by a Jesuit, published in Italy in 2011, under the curious title “In Love with Islam, Believing in Jesus”:

http://www.lafeltrinelli.it/products/9788816304901/Innamorato_dell%27Islam%2C_credente_in_Cristo/Paolo_Dall%27Oglio.html

The author is none other than Paolo Dall’Oglio, who has been the subject of His Grace’s posts several times since he was captured in Syria earlier this year, reportedly by one of the marauding armies linked to Al Qaeda. He hasn’t been heard of since, though according to occasional snippets on the internet, people who know him say they have reason to believe he is still alive. I trust that the treatment he has received at the hands of his captors has been sufficiently humane to leave his love for Islam undiminished.

30 December 2013 at 12:17  
Blogger Preacher said...

The Middle East is being ripped apart by different Islamic factions.
The One thing they have in common is the hatred of & the desire to completely destroy both Israel & the Jewish people & the whole Christian faith.
If Israel's erection of a barrier to shield & protect herself is wrong, then we should all leave our doors open & unlocked so that thieves can destroy our families & kill & pillage at will.
Evil happens on our streets daily, we condemn it & attempt to arrest the criminals & protect ourselves by security measures. It will not stop, but we defend against it as much as possible.
The best thing that Israel could do is build a bigger, better wall that includes Bethlehem inside it.
Problem (at least for the people of Bethlehem) solved.....simples!.

30 December 2013 at 12:31  
Blogger JDK said...

Jesus would have been turning in his grave; but then he didn't need one and in any case, as this story shows, he's now widely claimed to have been a Palestinian anyway who would have hated Israeli "oppression" of his brethren in the West Bank and Gaza.

Speaking of, and against, hatred, the prolific Israel-supporting group Standwithus (SWU) has just reported on a prominent central London church erecting a 26 foot high (8 metre) version of Israel's security barrier right in front of the church building, presumably in solidarity with the mass murdering terrorists the barrier has so successfully prevented from slaughtering children in schools, ordinary folk on buses and any old Jew they can find as a target -- though they do prefer crowds to individuals.

It's been going on for a while now and is part of the so called "Bethlehem Unwrapped festival" headed by someone who, in the circumstances, has the unfortunate name of Justin Butcher (Our italics).

The people at SWU-UK have been protesting against this abomination for a while. It was unveiled on December 23. (See the sheer insanity of it all in this short clip.) Irene Naftalin, SWU-UK's community director has been holding daily protests at the church, St James's in Piccadilly, along with other groups such as the Board of Deputies of British Jews (BoD), The Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland (ZF) and We Believe in Israel.

But today, the indefatigable Michael Dickson, head of StandWithUs-Israel sent an open letter of protest to the pastoral and administrative staff of the church.

Originally published by The Times of Israel, the key elements are as follows:

"Dear Pastor Winkett and St. James Church staff,

"What a mean-spirited, one-sided and divisive stunt you chose to politicise your church with this Christmas. In an ideal world there would be no walls. In an ideal world there would also be no suicide bombers – radical Islamist Palestinians who hate the Jews that live close to them so much that they are willing to indiscriminately kill them and others – be it in a shopping centre, disco, pizza restaurant or if they are sitting at their Passover Seder."

Dickson continued, after relating some appalling acts of murder against thousands, including a three month old child slaughtered by terrorists who were lured to him as he cried, as three month old babies tend to do. :

"Be in no doubt also that the only reason that this vicious terrorism has died down is not because the extremists stopped trying, but because they are prevented to get to their intended victims. That includes, by the way, me and my children."

And besides much else, which you can read in Dickson's letter linked to above, he added:

"London saw this kind of suffering on 7/7; similar attacks were occurring in Israel’s streets daily until the security barrier was built. Sure, it causes inconvenience and Palestinians hate it, but which is worse: inconvenience or death?"

One really wonders whether this powerful, truthful and honest note will have any effect at all on the clergy generally, and those in particular at St. James's Church in the heart of London.

If it doesn't, a further question arises: what are these people doing in such positions when their Christian religion enjoins them to be filled with a spirit of love and concern for their fellow men, women and children?

As things stand, St James's Church has become nothing less and nothing more than a shameful symbol to England and the whole Christian world of hatred, lies and the glorification of death.

Robin Shepherd is the owner of The Commentator and has worked in the think tank world for more than a decade following a career in international journalism. The Commentator is Britain's fastest growing online, quality-end comment and news outlet.

30 December 2013 at 13:26  
Blogger Corrigan said...

I thought I'd made it clear previously (obviously not to Avi's satisfaction) that no, I don't care about Arabs. It doesn't matter that I don't care about Arabs, and it doesn't matter that Zionists redefine the definition of anti-Semite to mirror whoever is criticizing them. What matters is that Israel doesn't belong there. That's the start of it and that's the end of it, and it doesn't matter one tuppeny damn if Israel is a model democracy with a glistening human rights record. It's stolen property. It doesn't belong to you. It's not yours. What am I saying that you're not understanding?

30 December 2013 at 13:28  
Blogger JDK said...

Jesus would have been turning in his grave; but then he didn't need one and in any case, as this story shows, he's now widely claimed to have been a Palestinian anyway who would have hated Israeli "oppression" of his brethren in the West Bank and Gaza.

Speaking of, and against, hatred, the prolific Israel-supporting group Standwithus (SWU) has just reported on a prominent central London church erecting a 26 foot high (8 metre) version of Israel's security barrier right in front of the church building, presumably in solidarity with the mass murdering terrorists the barrier has so successfully prevented from slaughtering children in schools, ordinary folk on buses and any old Jew they can find as a target -- though they do prefer crowds to individuals.

It's been going on for a while now and is part of the so called "Bethlehem Unwrapped festival" headed by someone who, in the circumstances, has the unfortunate name of Justin Butcher (Our italics).

The people at SWU-UK have been protesting against this abomination for a while. It was unveiled on December 23. (See the sheer insanity of it all in this short clip.) Irene Naftalin, SWU-UK's community director has been holding daily protests at the church, St James's in Piccadilly, along with other groups such as the Board of Deputies of British Jews (BoD), The Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland (ZF) and We Believe in Israel.

But today, the indefatigable Michael Dickson, head of StandWithUs-Israel sent an open letter of protest to the pastoral and administrative staff of the church.

Originally published by The Times of Israel, the key elements are as follows:

"Dear Pastor Winkett and St. James Church staff,

"What a mean-spirited, one-sided and divisive stunt you chose to politicise your church with this Christmas. In an ideal world there would be no walls. In an ideal world there would also be no suicide bombers – radical Islamist Palestinians who hate the Jews that live close to them so much that they are willing to indiscriminately kill them and others – be it in a shopping centre, disco, pizza restaurant or if they are sitting at their Passover Seder."

Dickson continued, after relating some appalling acts of murder against thousands, including a three month old child slaughtered by terrorists who were lured to him as he cried, as three month old babies tend to do. :

"Be in no doubt also that the only reason that this vicious terrorism has died down is not because the extremists stopped trying, but because they are prevented to get to their intended victims. That includes, by the way, me and my children."

And besides much else, which you can read in Dickson's letter linked to above, he added:

"London saw this kind of suffering on 7/7; similar attacks were occurring in Israel’s streets daily until the security barrier was built. Sure, it causes inconvenience and Palestinians hate it, but which is worse: inconvenience or death?"

One really wonders whether this powerful, truthful and honest note will have any effect at all on the clergy generally, and those in particular at St. James's Church in the heart of London.

If it doesn't, a further question arises: what are these people doing in such positions when their Christian religion enjoins them to be filled with a spirit of love and concern for their fellow men, women and children?

As things stand, St James's Church has become nothing less and nothing more than a shameful symbol to England and the whole Christian world of hatred, lies and the glorification of death.

Robin Shepherd is the owner of The Commentator and has worked in the think tank world for more than a decade following a career in international journalism. The Commentator is Britain's fastest growing online, quality-end comment and news outlet.

30 December 2013 at 13:31  
Blogger Ariadne said...

The Jew-hating Corrigan has not changed and probably cannot change.

Jews shouldn't be in Judea! Israel shouldn't be in Israel! But the Sharifs of Mecca should be in "Jordan". Funny that King Abdullah believes he should be in Saudi Arabia too. 78% of the Jewish national home is not enough for him.

The "Palestinians" were invented by a terrorist organisation in 1964. They are not mentioned in the United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 of 1967. The words "Palestine" and "Palestinian" do not occur in the UN document. "Palestinian" "rights" are the biggest scam of the twentieth century. Even Hamas broadcasts the truth of the foreign antecedents of these Arabs. As Winston Churchill did in 1939.

My view is that His Grace has done Christians, Israel and Jews proud.

30 December 2013 at 13:51  
Blogger Nick said...

On reading this post the words "plank" and "speck" went through my mind. How hypocritical of the CofE, which has all but turned its back on God, to be pointing the finger at a nation trying to defend itself from those who seek its complete annihilation.

There was a recent article on Anglican Mainstream saying that the CofE might as well give up religion and focus on politics. This is a case in point. Well, it has certainly givien up the religion, but has not really grasped the politics aspect very well.

St James' has jumped on the poopulist anti-semitic bandwagon (despite its emollient words about not taking sides). It has been taken in by the media's portrayal of muslim Palestinians as nothing but victims, while overlooking the fact they are persecutors.

To me, Melanie Phillips is a respected and intelligent person, who has probably hit the nail on the head in her attack on this thinly-veiled anti-semitic stunt.

30 December 2013 at 14:33  
Blogger Len said...

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30 December 2013 at 15:12  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Corrigan wrote:

What matters is that Israel doesn't belong there

Well, now. Isn't that a useful analysis. Because Israel has been there close on to 70 years, and it isn't going away - at least not voluntarily. What should we do with six million Jews who 'don't belong there' and don't have the good graces to leave? What is to be done with all those thieving expropriators and their illegitimate state?

Corrigan has said in the past that he favors a unitary state in Palestine. Evidently he has been encouraged by the multicultural peace & prosperity he observes in places like Syria and believes that model would work in Israel. We can't be sure because he won't actually explain what that unitary state would look like.

But we must be careful because Corrigan has said "I don't care about Arabs" and we already know from this thread (and others) what he thinks about Jews ... err... Israelis. And Zionists. I guess he is OK with Jews who don't live in Israel and aren't Zionists. Those would be the Jews who don't think ALL non-Jews are alike. I guess. Look, don't blame me. I'm just trying to charitably make sense out of it. But what do I really know? I am just a goyim.

Anyways, Corrigan seems very concerned to defend the principle that land shouldn't be 'stolen' and that seems of greater importance to him than the consequences that would be experienced by the people who actually live there. You know, he believes that good socialist principle that ownership is more important that people. (You can tell Corrigan is on the Left. Just ask him about Maggie.) So I suspect he might be willing to tolerate a few broken eggs (around six million to be exact) in order to defend that principle. But we don't know for sure. Because he won't say. What to do with all those thieving expropriating Jews who stole the land of another people?

Surely he isn't looking forward to the recreation of Syria in Palestine. He isn't wallowing in some dark pit of schadenfreude waiting for the Zionists to get it in the neck.

Is he?

carl

30 December 2013 at 15:14  
Blogger David Hussell said...

David B.

May I add my well wishes to the others here, hoping that the prognosis improves and that you recover fully.

David.

30 December 2013 at 15:28  
Blogger Jesuestomihi said...

I have seen the wall. I know what it is for and it should not be there. We should pray that peace and unity come to the Holy land when those intent on shooting,bombing and killing their peaceful neighbours stop and Bethlehem can once more be properly united with Israel as God surely intends.

30 December 2013 at 15:52  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Having only a broad overview of the Israel question from the few books that I have read, and so knowing relatively little about the intricacies of the specific parts, both in terms of policies and territory, of Israel's existential struggle to survive, I decided to hang back and benefit from other's comments first.

But the involvement of this London church seems incredibly one sided and partial, a view based more on spin and a particular brand of anti-Jewish politics, than on a more balanced Christian concern for all human welfare and justice. Whilst I haven't seen the "installation" it seems far more likely to have been designed to act as a catalyst, a trigger for verbal attacks on Israel, than encourage a useful even handed debate, since where are historical facts to furnish such a fair debate? What are they thinking of ? What have they got themselves into ? Are parts of the C of E morphing into a "spiritual" arm of a certain narrow brand of naive ME politics I ask myself. If so that is deeply worrying. Yet are they not under the authority of Bishop Chartres, the Bishop of London, and if so what does he think? Why follow secular "beliefs", at variance with the facts ?

My ten day Christian tour of Israel in March, my first visit, includes spending a night in Bethlehem and I look forward to seeing things on the ground. I have always found that no amount of book reading can approach the feel, in the guts, the mind and the soul, that one gets from being in a country, with all senses wide open, mind questioning and spirit receptive to its rhythms and life.
All nations make mistakes, it is intrinsic to our "fallen" nature, and Israel is no exception. But I believe that the Church of God, which knows no denominational boundaries, is eschatologically, inextricably linked with God's Israel, which overlaps with, although not congruent to, the nation state of Israel. This is because gentile Christians like myself are "Jews" by faith, grafted onto the original stem.

30 December 2013 at 15:58  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Just saw your comment, David B. You will be added in my prayers...in your pseudonym of course as, what else but Dovid Beit (דוד ב). Wishing you a complete recovery and continued health. Keep us informed, please.

30 December 2013 at 16:51  
Blogger Len said...

I can only think that part of the problem with some Christian churches today is the false doctrine of 'replacement theology'.
This was the attempt by some of the early church fathers to sever the church from its Jewish roots.According to replacement theology the church inherited all of God`s blessings and the Jews all the curses' the Church 'replaced Israel.
This replacement theology has caused immense problems for the Church and for the Jewish Nation.One could argue that replacement theology contributed towards the Holocaust.
The Church needs to repent for its part in replacement theology and to re- connect with its Jewish roots.

And yes Corrigan I know Luther was also for replacement theology, much to his shame.

Article on replacement theology
http://www.ldolphin.org/replacement/


30 December 2013 at 17:07  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Carl, unless you are toying with Corrigan, a too easy of a sport, trying to make sense of his arguments is pointless simply because they are poorly contrived bullshit. As with all his other claims, this one too falls flat on its butt. With real thefts of territory and domination of legitimate national groups with their own religions, languages and genuine claims to homelands out there...think Tibet, Kurdistan, European Turkey, Cyprus, the Americas, etc...Corrigan mysteriously focuses on the Jews, a.k.a. the Zionists and Israel. The man is a "specialist." And he can't even show a rational basis for his claim of "stolen" land, never having heard of (or given a hoot) for San Remo and its implications not only for Israel but a host of other countries. Does he wish to re-define territorial ownership of nation states and if so, to apply it equally to all and watch the World go in flames? Who knows; he certainly hasn't the foggiest.

What I'm amazed at is his lack of discipline, his inability to hide his Goy-paranoia, conspiracy theorizing and animosity towards Jews. Also, if he doesn't care for the Arabs or the "Palestinians," as he just claimed, and especially for the fate of Christians in the Muslim world, one is left to wonder what exactly exercises him so much about the Jewish state specifically even if the theft hypothesis of his had any basis. Any guesses?

30 December 2013 at 17:15  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Len @ 17.07,

Replacement theology. Which early, or later, theologians do you identify with that ?. I ask, as although much closer to the end than the start, of my degree studies in Christian Theology, strangely I haven't come across this other than in a most passing form. But that may be my fault as we are given, as "mature" students, a great deal of freedom, perhaps too much, of which areas of that most vast subject to study.

30 December 2013 at 18:28  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Avi

To be serious for a moment, I was actually shocked that Corrigan made such an admission. "I don't care about Arabs" leads very quickly to the reasonable follow-on question: "Then why do you care about the Jews 'not belonging' in Palestine?" It can't be about injustice if you don't care about the victims of the alleged injustice.

It could be about some perceived necessary connection between culture and land. The state of Israel is legal in every sense of law. Why then would it be illegitimate? If he assumes that the indigenous population has the natural right to maintain its cultural dominance in perpetuity, then he could see the establishment of Israel as expropriation no matter how few people lived there or how much land they purchased. But of course the Jews have a long history in the land, and lost it to foreign conquest. So Corrigan would have to argue that their connection was broken by time. But why would that not apply to Israel today? Not enough time has past?

But I think it much simpler than that. Israel is a product of Western Power. Specifically English diplomatic power. The treaties and promises that led to the formation of Israel are all sourced in the Foreign Office. Yes, when push came to shove, the British didn't want Israel established. Yes, they actively worked to prevent it. But its establishment is still tainted by the original sin of British foreign policy. It's the implicit legitimization of British foreign policy that sticks in Corrigan's throat. Because that legitimizes the British in Ireland. If the British could give away Palestine to the Jews, then the British could dispose of Ireland as well. British sovereignty is the connecting link.

carl

30 December 2013 at 19:13  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

While we are on about stolen lands

Some of the Welsh would like England back please.

Failing that (Since it seems to be in fashion) an apology by the descendants of the Saxons etc for stealing our land and illegally occupying it for 1600 years

Phil

30 December 2013 at 19:19  
Blogger Frater minor said...

Replacement theology. Which early, or later, theologians do you identify with that ?

You might be interested in St John Chrysostom (Antioch, late 4th century) for early Christian anti-semitism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chrysostom#Homilies_on_Jews_and_Judaizing_Christians



Frater minor

30 December 2013 at 19:59  
Blogger Frater minor said...

Just out of interest, the St James' website claims that
'We are a Church of England parish in London's West End
We strive to be welcoming, inclusive and adventurous


http://www.sjp.org.uk/whos-who.html

Inclusive, except for Jews, I presume.



Frater minor

30 December 2013 at 20:14  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Somebody mention Israel is occupied by people who shouldn’t be there !

{SNORT}

Spoils of war, don’t you know. Taken from the Ottomans and disposed of as per British colonial policy. Happened all the time don’t you know. You must have asked yourself why all those dead straight lines defining country boundaries in that area. Same outcome. The British empire gave little for tribal boundaries. So what what if Johnny Foreigner foams at the mouth over it now and forevermore. He’s a damn primitive in comparison to who counts in this world...

30 December 2013 at 20:31  
Blogger Owl said...

Carl, Avi,

I have never known or heard of anyone in (Southern) Ireland with such extreme anti-Semetic views as our dear Corrigan.

I would like to assure you that he seems to represent no-one except himself, and that quite badly.

David. B. I wish you all the best for the future and my thoughts are with you. Do look in now and then and have your say if you feel inclined.

30 December 2013 at 20:32  
Blogger No Quarter said...

Your Grace,

Firstly, I'm amazed that someone of your intelligence would side with Melanie Phillips on anything.

Secondly, I'm struck by how divergent your voice is on this issue from those of, for instance, the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Anglican Bishop in Jerusalem. I'm sure you read their speeches in Jerusalem this summer, in which both leaders testified to the importance of seeing beyond simplified notions of the other - something in which your above post, with its casual generalisations about Palestinian Muslims, does a roaring trade.

Moreover, I wonder if you paid any attention in particular to the fact that Bishop Suheil stressed the Christian-Muslims-Jewish relations which underpin the Anglican approach to reconciliation in the Holy Land. (Doesn't that tell a very different story to your caricature of bloodthirsty Muslims hellbent on driving Christians out of their land?)

These are Anglican voices of reconciliation. Yours, like that of Melanie Phillips, is a shrill voice of partisan rage that makes no useful contribution to the situation.

C

30 December 2013 at 20:35  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Frater Minor @ 19.59

Noted, with thanks.

30 December 2013 at 20:48  
Blogger Owl said...

No Quarter,

What utter rubbish.

Before reading/writing, turn brain on, that's a good chap/chapess.

30 December 2013 at 21:24  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

No Quarter

You mention Archbishop Welby and Bishop Suheil (of Jerusalem) as "Anglican voices of reconciliation" in the context of "the Christian-Muslims-Jewish relations which underpin the Anglican approach to reconciliation in the Holy Land."

It would be interesting to learn more. Would you care to name the corresponding "voices for reconciliation" among the Muslim communities of Israel and the Palestinian territories? As between Sunnis and Shias, which would you say are currently displaying the warmest enthusiasm for reconciliation with Judaism and Christianity?

30 December 2013 at 21:40  
Blogger Huldah said...

Your Grace I'm not so sure that intelligence should be measured by the extent to which one agrees with Ms Melanie Phillips. (Though in No Quarter's case I may just make an exception.)

However, this post is a prime example of the way in which you're prepared to go where some other Anglicans aren't.

For many years Anglicans have gone down the line of least resistance, perpetuating the myth of happy coexistence between the Christians and Muslims living under the Palestinian Authority at face value.

But for some years now, courageous Palestinians such as Pastors Naim and Steve Khoury, the journalist Khaled Abu Toameh and more recently the Emmaus Group, have risked their lives to expose the intimidation, harassment and persecution that Christian Palestinians endure at the hands of government, gangsters and sometimes, even neighbours.

It's not difficult to imagine how hard it is to speak out. Normal relations with Jewish neighbours have been outlawed by the Palestinian Authority, children are taught hatred in internationally funded schools and to envisage a Palestine which encompasses the world's only Jewish state.

Speaking out about the true causes of Christian difficulties in the Palestinian Authority cost one young Palestinian woman her home and family. She had to flee the Territories after she and members of her family were threatened unless she kept silent. Such are the pressures with which Palestinian Christians must live daily.

Uncritical support for the Palestinian Authority of the type that St James' Piccadilly has indulged in here, betrays persecuted Palestinian Christians.

It is also unjust and a travesty of the truth to which Christians should aspire.

30 December 2013 at 21:50  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

I see your points, Carl, but your final hypothesis is wobbly...you are clearly and quite understandably perplexed.

First of all, there was no ideological reason for Irish nationalism to switch from its initial support of Zionism as a sister-movement against dreaded British Imperialism and repulsive Arab fascism until the IRA got bought-off by Moscow and redirected into chumminess with the PLO. Besides, Corrigan doesn't strike me as a Provo type; more like a self-made guy into the good life, is my guess.

Secondly, as you've noted, Corrigan's explanations don't make much sense. To me they are a weak patchwork of incongruous excuses. He has no affection for Palestinians or any other Arabs, doesn't get exercised over Christian suffering in Muslim countries, even if he were to believe that Israel is somehow persecuting Arab Christians...who at the last census out-did Israeli Jews and Muslims in terms of wealth and education, btw.

And thirdly, if you recall all his other posts over the last couple of years, you'll notice that most of his jibes are obsessions over perceptions of Jewish attitudes towards non-Jews. The "jokes" about him being a crude Goyish animal, about being stupid and so on. Even in his comments in this post his segues from politics to what he imagines are Jewish, then Israeli, views about Gentiles. Either dude is stupid, or can't control himself long enough to even pretend or, the most likely explanation, he is toying with us and doesn't care if he's called an antisemite because, well, that's what he is and he doesn't mind. Look at his posts unrelated to Jews and Israel; guy's no dummy, showing remarkably perception and superb writing.

So, this is my hypothesis, gleaned more or less "holistically" from online encounters with him here. I think Corrigan's either a lawyer (understands legal issues better than most) or some other white-collar profession where he had unfortunate encounters with snooty middle class Jewish climbers who gave him a Goy-complex. I won't ask you to agree with me publicly here, but I'm sure you've come across a few repulsive types like that. I sure have, and believe me, it's easier to be a Goy than a proletarian proste Yide refugee from Eastern Europe, one who is neither a member of the monied aristocracy or of the scholarly class.

I'm not obsessed with the excessive "what will the Gentiles think" worry like some of my brethren, be they the ultra-religious or the assimilated ones, but there is something to be said about the repeated warnings by the rabbis since the middle ages about always dealing with non-Jews and humbler Jews equitably and kindly. The Corrigan types will drift towards antisemitism and the rejected Jews will fragment into classes and sub-classes with the cycles and reactive lurches to the extremes of secularism or orthodoxy. This is what can happen when Torah is ignored, when pride and haughtiness overcome common sense and humility. Not that this gets that Corrigan bugger off the hook, of course.

30 December 2013 at 22:12  
Blogger Ariadne said...

I fear the 'recconciliation' mentioned above is the peace of death for Israel. First.

It seems to be in the hamds of EAPPI ( World Council of Churches' Ecumenical Accompaniment Programme in Palestine and Israel) which Geoffrey Alderman has described as 'malevolent'. Bishop Suheil is involved in that as is St James's with its hatefest.

30 December 2013 at 22:34  
Blogger Ariadne said...

Apologies for the mis-spelling!

30 December 2013 at 22:38  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...


No Quarter. You sir, are an arse sir. How many Islamic outrages does it take to understand that muslims don’t do reconciliation. They do submission.

30 December 2013 at 22:48  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

David B,

I would like to add my thoughts and prayers to the others that have written here. I disagree with you on most matters, but I wish you well nonetheless.

30 December 2013 at 23:02  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

Carl/Avi,

Yes we have Hush puppies as well, but people over here tend to put them on their feet, rather than drink them...

30 December 2013 at 23:06  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...


David B. It goes without saying, old man – stay with us...

30 December 2013 at 23:10  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

Corrigan,

You are like a rabbit caught in the headlights (of reason). Firstly when it is pointed out to you that it is better for a Christian to live in Israel than anywhere else in the middle east, you make some false and ludicrous comparison between Fascist Italy and Germany and when that analogy goes tits up you revert to position 1 "Israel has no right to exist". Many people here have given you replies to that. Mine is 'tough shit'.

30 December 2013 at 23:37  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

David Kavanagh, I must ask. Where do you get these pics of Hareidim for your avatar? Or is that you on Purim?

Inspector, to be fair to "No Quarter," he is an ass as well as an arse. As an aside, my US English Google spell-checker which has invaded all my devices underlines all misspellings in red, and underlined "arse"...there, the bloody thing did it again...so, one of us might have to inform Carl about the difference. Speaking of Google spell-checks, I think they have one for 19th century creole Swahili dialects, but still nothing for Canadian English. Same with MSWord. I know Carl will take another dig at Canadians now. I'm already tensing.

30 December 2013 at 23:54  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

Avi,

I think trying to get into Corrigan's mind is the last place one should be.

'This is what can happen when Torah is ignored, when pride and haughtiness overcome common sense and humility.'

Good stuff.

30 December 2013 at 23:55  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

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31 December 2013 at 00:00  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

O, I'm just throwing hypotheses around, David K, speculations, really. Saw Carl's confusion over Corrigan's lack of logic and his hypothesis didn't really work.

The last line was my words, but the idea was brought again up by our rabbi a few weeks ago. Our shul is an odd bell-curved mix of rich, working middle class and poor, with Black Hats, Moderns, Zionists, Cabbalists and barely observant types who just enjoy our atmosphere...and the good scotch. So, our rav makes an extra effort to remind everyone to focus on equality, not to boast, to perfect one's behavior with people and to keep the mission to improve the world and make it more holy...very Mussar. When we first started going there we'd be invited to a Shabbat kiddush and we never knew, by looking and talking to our hosts, whether we would wind up in someone's monster house and be served four course luncheons by house staff, or someone's one-bedroom apartment for a bowl of vegetarian tcholent and appetizers. It's a shul like no other, a rav like no other.

31 December 2013 at 00:18  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

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31 December 2013 at 01:01  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

Avi,

I have to admit, I salute you (&Carl) for trying to help explain Corrigan's motivations here, which is a bit of an irony as I thought it'd be me, the soft spoken Brit, not the blunt American Mid-Westerner or the rugged free spirited Canadian frontier Trucker looking for 'explanations'. Well stereotypes blown away!

As for the Shul you've got, it is I guess, a 'real' community and sounds, as Hannah would say 'cool'.... but none of us have 'house staff'. I grew up cooking, cleaning with the rest of the family to help with Shabbat meals and home life.

Anyway better get some sleep

31 December 2013 at 01:02  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Night, David and everyone. Keep forgetting about the spherical earth bit and different time zones. Easier if you people were in Los Angeles.

31 December 2013 at 01:14  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

American spell checkers are definitive. We define proper ... Wait. Canadians have computers? When did this happen? Is that even allowed?

carl

31 December 2013 at 01:39  
Blogger Ivan said...


The Israelis, being the more capable adversary saw off the second intifada under A Sharon, and made some hay in the meantime by seizing Palestinian land. The principle is that that the enemy has to suffer permanent losses order to deter him. I understand that some desirable neighbourhoods belonging to Christians are now effectively attached to the Israel state. Its inevitable that Christians unable as they are to stay and fight, will be squeezed out from that region. I believe that as far back as 1974, Elias Franj sometime mayor of Bethlehem was begging the Israelis to annex Bethlehem to get a better deal for the Christians. But contrary to the expectations of the brain-dead Christian Zionists, the Israelis declined. No surprise there for anyone who knows the history of the region.

31 December 2013 at 03:14  
Blogger IanCad said...

First off I must add my name to those who pray for David B's recovery. And Yes! Keep us updated.

Oh Dear!

"Replacement Theology" has sprung up again.

Much like the terms, Homophobia, Global warming denier and Rightwinger it casts a perjorative light on those who, in some form or another, do not subscribe to the notion that the present Nation of Israel will be central to end-time events.
In other words, those who do not embrace the eschatological meanderings of the Dispensationalists are bad folk and Anti-semitic to boot.
We've been here many times before.

31 December 2013 at 08:44  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

St James' Website is interesting

Digging into the links provided we are given an unusual interpretation of Jeremiah 2:23-25 which seems to advocate promiscuity from the fragment they sue but when you read it in context it says the reverse of course

David and Jonathan are again suggested to have had homosexual relations but a new one on me even Ruth and Naomi.

Presumably the logic goes that if any two people of the Bible spend time together they must have been homosexuals.

Strangely NT candidates like Paul and Barnabas are not suggested. Presumably this really is stretching credibility too far, however digging deeper we get the suggestion that the story David and Goliath was erotically inspired.

There is also the admission that liberal Churches have over the last few years seen their membership drop from around 40% of Christians to less than 10%, but offer no reasons as to why.

Phil

31 December 2013 at 09:06  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Phil Roberts @ 9.06

The Jeremiah passage reads as God's condemnation of promiscuity, advising not to behave as animals in heat, don't you think ?

I find revisionists interpretation, contrived to put it mildly. They never explain why some of the brightest minds, across the Churches, including during the Patristic period, got it so wrong.

Must have a peek at that website you mention, though.

31 December 2013 at 09:21  
Blogger bluedog said...

Avi @ 17.15 and 22.12, in the opinion of this communicant, the only logical explanation for Corrigan's anti-Semitism is a racially determined inferiority complex bound up with a certain class envy.

This animosity is based on lingering hatred of the now defunct Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland. There is also a strong Celtic dispossession theme in Corrigan's utterings. It's visceral stuff, and analysis of the rights and wrongs of the State of Israel can only lead to confusion.

It may be that Corrigan regards Jews as quasi-Protestants, overlords displaying effortless superiority in a conquered land. That Ireland was initially conquered by Catholic Normans can be safely ignored in Corrigan's reckoning. In Ireland the effortless superiority of the Anglo-Irish overlords had a strong class dimension, aggravated by sectarianism. The mercantile upper-middle class and much of the aristocracy became Protestant. As was the case in Scotland, many Celtic chieftains happily betrayed their kinsmen and joined the upper class as landlords. Irish peers were a strong force in the House of Lords. Many enobled chieftains became Protestant (Some O'Neills and MacGillyCuddy to name but two) following the Reformation. There was also prodigious inter-marriage between the Irish chieftains and the Hiberno-Norman elites around the Pale, mostly pre-dating the Reformation, of course. But many Irish aristocrats joined the Church of Ireland for political reasons; it gave them a link to the British monarch.

As we know, Corrigan frequently gives the impression that Irish Catholics and Palestinian Muslims can be regarded as brothers under a foreign yoke. If your background is Irish Catholic working-class, it would be easy enough to see the Jews as British establishment lackeys, and ex-officio rather exotic members of that ruling class. Thus a state dedicated to members of the ruling class is a deplorable proposition.

Is this what makes Corrigan tick?

31 December 2013 at 09:29  
Blogger William Lewis said...

I used to work round the corner from St James's. It was/is predominantly a place for music recitals and market stalls as I recall. It always felt rather pagan in spirit to me.

It certainly seems to have a nice line in identity politics now, with links to black theology, feminist theology, gay theology and, of course, liberal theology. I did find Jesus mentioned in a prayer on one of its web-pages though, which is nice.

31 December 2013 at 09:49  
Blogger Roy said...

The "Wall" at St James is not authentic enough. Surely the church could reach out to the local jihadis and invite them to do what jihadis do best? That would enlighten the public as to the purpose and significance of the Wall.

31 December 2013 at 10:03  
Blogger Len said...

To deny that 'replacement theology 'exists within the church doesn`t make it go away in fact until it is confronted the church will continue to decline.The Church has been no friend to the Jews in the past and this fact needs to be recognized and repented from.
People and Countries will be judged by God on the way they have treated Israel(just look at what happened to the British Empire and what is happening to America now)
Things will have to get considerably worse until reality breaks through I suppose and people eventually wake up to what is happening?.

Israel is acting like a magnet to draw all the enemies of God into one place so
He can deal with them.
Is this because Israel is so perfect ?. No ...it is because God will uphold His Name and honour His Covenant with His People.

31 December 2013 at 10:45  
Blogger Len said...

Those who do not know of' replacement theology' perhaps would like to investigate this evil for themselves?.

According to Canon Andrew White “anti-Jewish replacement theology is dominant and present in almost every church, fueling the venom against Israel”.

It is not just the Catholic Church which endorsed' replacement theology' but when the reformers separated from the RCC they brought replacement Theology with them.

If you are not familiar with replacement theology there is a wealth of material on the Internet and in Books and articles.

31 December 2013 at 11:31  
Blogger Preacher said...

For decades, St James's Piccadily has been known to be a New Age, non Christian blot on the landscape.
For generations it has wandered in waterless places, embracing all & any daft ideas & teaching in the misguided belief that one day it will fall over the truth & enlighten the World.
It's a shame they didn't build a real wall all around it, with no doors & leave it in glorious isolation to howl at the Moon until like Nebuchadnezzar its clergy & leaders come to their senses.

31 December 2013 at 11:56  
Blogger Albert said...

Len,

It is not just the Catholic Church which endorsed' replacement theology'

Can you give an example of an official teaching by the Catholic Church of "replacement theology"?

I have no doubt that Catholics have sometimes said troubling things in this regard, but I am quite confident that official teaching - certainly contemporary official teaching is summed up in the words of St Paul:

gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.

31 December 2013 at 12:09  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Decree Ad Gentes (ON THE MISSION ACTIVITY
OF THE CHURCH ), refers to the Roman Catholic Church in this way, stating, "5. From the very beginning, the Lord Jesus "called to Himself those whom He wished; and He caused twelve of them to be with Him, and to be sent out preaching (Mark 3:13; cf. Matt. 10:1-42). Thus the Apostles were the first budding - forth of the New Israel, and at the same time the beginning of the sacred hierarchy.."

A sacred 'HIERARCHY'?. Trust this helps, old fella.

You really must brush up on those Bulls, Encyclicals and DECREES?

Blofeld

31 December 2013 at 12:36  
Blogger Albert said...

Trust this helps

Not remotely, Blofeld. It doesn't address the question.

31 December 2013 at 13:03  
Blogger IanCad said...

Len,

Why should it be "Evil" to reject the doctrines of the Dispensationalists?

I don't consider you guys to be evil because you disagree with me.

Misguided? Yes.
Dangerous? Perhaps also; Yes

31 December 2013 at 13:48  
Blogger Cam Ma said...

Your Grace

I wonder whether St James Wiccadilly has obtained the required Faculty for its new churchyard wall? If not, should the Chancellor of the diocese not intervene?

Churchwarden

31 December 2013 at 13:57  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Good to see you back Blowers. Happy Jack trusts you had a good Christmas and behaved yourself. Jack got hold of the Looney Tunes box set and has had a chuckle filled time of it watching all those characters.

Len and Albert, Happy Jack is very confused by all these different theologies and their titles. Jack asks whether the Jewish people do not have to accept Jesus as their Saviour or should they still be following their Torah? Jack thought Christians believed the Mosaic Law was fulfilled by Jesus and that there was now a New Covenant that is meant for everybody. Is Jack wrong on this?

31 December 2013 at 14:03  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Blofeld

It's been some time since our paths last crossed. How are you doing? Whatever happened to the scan? Surely you must have had an answer by now?

Thank you for the quotation from Ad Gentes. Speaking as a Catholic, it makes sense to me: a hierarchy is a priesthood, isn't it? But what has it got to do with "replacement theology", so-called? Is this the same as "supersession theology", meaning that the Jewish religion has allegedly been invalidated (superseded) by the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross? I find that impossible to believe. God doesn't go back on his promises. He made a promise to Abraham and another one to Moses, and those promises remain as valid today as they were on the day they were made.

31 December 2013 at 14:30  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Albert

It is a roman catholic decree and it lists it's raison d'etre...RCC has replaced Israel by it's supposed link via apostles(For apostles read PETER only *wink wink* and the following hierarchy of this 'new israel' is therefore Rome only! Rome replaces Christ and His assembly of believers. There is jew, gentile and church and not all of one are in the Body. Not just the church, hence the times of the gentiles are coming to an end and God will turn again to the Jews..He is their promised descended messiah and always finishes what He promises, despite those who think he is slow to fulfil His purposes.)

Blofeld

Never heard of a RC that does not quote early church fathers mistaken views of the Jews and Ad Gentes as the authority of the RCC for the New Israel hierarchy? We live and learn, do we not.

31 December 2013 at 14:30  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Happy Jack said...

Good to see you back Blowers. (Many thanks my lad, Ernst had a bit of a poor Christmas health wise and the internet down for several days.)

Happy Jack trusts you had a good Christmas and behaved yourself (Lost me balance and cracked ribs on right side when loosing my footings...Terrible to get to sleep at night with pain and breathing..The trials we face?). Jack got hold of the Looney Tunes box set and has had a chuckle filled time of it watching all those characters (The best a man can get for a chuckleworthy Christmas.).

Blowers

31 December 2013 at 14:35  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Sorry to hear about your poor Christmas with the cracked ribs, Mr Blofeld,. I've had a broken this and a broken that, but never ribs, so I don't know whether it would have affected your eating. I hope you managed to at least enjoy your Christmas feast...mushed in a blender and through a straw probably, as I recall that your dental adventures haven't ended yet either. My prayers for your complete recovery on all fronts and I wish you a very boring new year...I'm sure you would appreciate the latter more than anyone here.

31 December 2013 at 15:23  
Blogger wonderer said...

For an informed comment on this subject see:

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/dr-denis-maceoins-letter-to-st-james-church/

31 December 2013 at 15:37  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Blowers, Happy Jack was sorry to learn of your recent trials. Were you trying to ice skate or was it Christmas reel? You must insist that Mrs Blowers takes better care of you in 2014.

Avi, Happy Jack says a big hello again and Happy New Year. Well, a gentile New Year anyway. Jack has had a few broken ribs in his days and they can be very painful. Best not make Blowers laugh. Eating is okay but coughing and laughing - no, no.

31 December 2013 at 15:49  
Blogger Frater minor said...

Jack asks whether the Jewish people do not have to accept Jesus as their Saviour or should they still be following their Torah?

I would suggest that the two should not be regarded as being in conflict.

If you read the Torah in the light of the Gospel, you will see that the Torah points to the Messiah, so there is no reason to reject the Torah if you accept Jesus as the Messiah.

I would suggest that if a Jew comes to faith in Christ, he does not stop being a Jew: he becomes a completed Jew, following the only Jew who kept the whole of the Torah.

A gentile (like myself) who comes to faith in Christ is grafted into the promises of God that were made to Abraham, that through Abraham and his descendents all the nations of earth might be blessed.


Frater minor

31 December 2013 at 16:45  
Blogger Frater minor said...

Jack thought Christians believed the Mosaic Law was fulfilled by Jesus and that there was now a New Covenant that is meant for everybody.

Yes, that is what the Gospel says, and it is explained more fully in St Paul's letter to the Romans.

But sometimes we misunderstand the use of the word 'fulfilled' to read it as meaning 'done away with'. That is not the correct meaning of the word teleow: it should be understood as 'completed'. Jesus is the fulfilment, the completion of the Law of Moses. He came not to abolish the Law, but to complete it. And all of use, whether Jew or Gentile who come to faith in Jesus are born again into his righteousness:
For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:3-4



Frater minor

31 December 2013 at 16:54  
Blogger Huldah said...

That comment of St Paul's is, of course referring to the gifts and calling of the nation of Israel.

31 December 2013 at 17:03  
Blogger Frater minor said...

That comment of St Paul's is, of course referring to the gifts and calling of the nation of Israel.

Yes that is very true.

And the purpose of God's calling of Israel was that all the nations of the world would be blessed in him.

If you are interested in further reading on this topic, here is a useful book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Supersessionism-Revised-Expanded-Edition-ebook/dp/B00CVGF8P8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371111201&sr=8-1&keywords=supersessionism



Frater minor

31 December 2013 at 17:05  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Hi Bluedog, I see your hypothesis a bit of blend between the psychological and political, and appreciate your summary on the situation in Ireland. At least politically, it seems to mirror the situation in Scotland, with various estates aligning this and that way. I'm surprised that the small number Jews in Ireland would have been noticed, with all those goings on. I do still think, though, that Corrigan's occasional political rationales is just lazy, careless patchwork of excuses he throws in now again for a veneer of legitimacy. When you and Carl try to make sense out of them, looking for signs of causes, consistency and logic, you might as well try to interpret weather predictions from a plate of scrambled eggs.

Carl, actually yes, we do have a few computers in Canada; getting them through the portages on long canoes or on dogsleds in the winter is a bit tricky, though. I've ordered an Apple II with an upgraded 1 MB RAM chip and 4 MB external hard drive (with a mouse!!!), and assuming the voyageurs can get through the Brantford Six Nations Reserve portages without getting scalped, I should have it as soon as April or May.

Oh, and the spell-check thing. Turns out your Homeland Security staff has been correcting my posts and emails out of boredom. The insistence on US "spelling" is just a reflection of militant American imperialism.

Happy New Year's Your Grace, Jack and all. I'm outta here 'til next year as I just took on an urgent haul to North Bay which will free up a fellow driver for this eve's festivities and get me some nice double-pay. Ta-dah! You guys need to add more Christian holidays and holy days to your calendar, so I can retire early.

31 December 2013 at 17:15  
Blogger Albert said...

Blofeld,

It's odd how you interpret Catholic teaching in the opposite sense to how the Church interprets it.

RCC has replaced Israel by it's supposed link via apostles

Israel is fulfilled in the Church, that is hardly controversial from a Christian point of view. Paul, who said that the promises to Israel were irrevocable, admitted as much - thus it is perfectly coherent to believe that the Church fulfils Israel, without inferring replacement theology.

Do you think that the OT has ceased to be scripture, just because the OT is fulfilled in the New?

Sorry about your ribs.

31 December 2013 at 17:43  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

I have just spent half an hour on the web site of St James Picadilly including downloading and reading 3 recent sermons. I also clicked on 'Christian life' and from the next menu 'different perspectives'. The heart of St James Picadilly' s belief can be found here. It is very clearly a ' different gospel' in the sense that Paul used that term in his letter to the Galatians. No surprise that canon Lucy Winkett is so welcome at the BBC.

The St James Picadilly web site should be studied by any bible believing Anglicans who think the C f E can be salvaged in anything like its present form. Or indeed is worth trying to save.

1 January 2014 at 05:59  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

Rambling steve

The problem is a Church based around your own views seems the best idea. You are surrounded by cosy like minded people.

Everyone agrees with everything and it is lovely.

Then people fall out, disagree over the most trivial things and soon you have two more churches, then in time two more, until one church is many churches that do not speak to each other.

I have been there, splitting is no solution either and may actually be worse for Christians, because splitting is easy, working with people you do not agree with is hard.

But at least you are speaking to them

Phil

1 January 2014 at 18:28  
Blogger Barry Shaw said...

Please forward this to the important and influential people at St.James’s Church and to any open-minded people who are willing to hear the voice of truth with regard to Bethlehem and Israel’s very real security concerns.

The wardens of the infamous St.James's Church in London's Piccadilly hosted an obscene anti-Israel exhibition called "Bethlehem Unwrapped". It portrays Israel's essential security barrier as an evil act of intended brutality. This is a lie.
In truth, the exhibition should have been called “Bethlehem Unravelled” as it has ever since Israel withdrew from this town.

Lucy Winkett was forced to write an article in response to the rising voice of protest. In it she calls the exhibition a part of a "beautiful resistance." Resistance to what? It can't be to Israeli "occupation." Israel handed over control of Bethlehem to the Palestinian Authority way back in 1995. They have a city council elected by residents of Bethlehem. They can vote in Palestinian elections should the Palestinian Authority ever decide to impose democracy. So, no, Bethlehem is not occupied by Israel.

I have earlier written about the threatening Palestinian oppression against the Christians of Bethlehem, the vast majority of whom have already fled the town.
But let me give you breaking news that puts a true picture to the important security barrier.

During Christmas, Israeli security forces arrested 14 members of an Islamic Jihad terror cell based in Bethlehem.
This cell was responsible for the December 22 bus bombing in Bat Yam, Israel. During the arrest raid, a huge 20 kg bomb was discovered in the Bethlehem home of one of the terrorists. The intended target was to be a location in Tel Aviv.
Among those arrested was a terrorist that had been released from Israeli custody. Another was on a Palestinian police commanders course. A third worked inside Israel.
Is it any wonder Israel maintains its security barrier despite it being so criticised and demonised by St. James's Church?

Islamic Jihad in Bethlehem is funded and supported by Iran. It could not function without the approval of the Palestinian Authority, the same PA that stores explosive Cemtex and weapons in its embassy in Prague that killed their ambassador in a work accident.

Is this part of the "beautiful resistance” of Lucy Winkett, the wardens and clergy, of St. James's Church in Piccadilly, London. If so, shame on them for their moral blindness!


Barry Shaw
Founder of the Netanya Terror Victims Organisation.
(formed to assist those suffering from the results of Palestinian terror).
Netanya, Israel.
theviewfromisrael@gmail.com

5 January 2014 at 08:18  

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