Wednesday, January 29, 2014

Jacob Rees-Mogg: "We know Her Majesty’s Government’s true pro-European colours"

There was a vote in Parliament earlier this week on the rather prosaic EU (Approvals) Bill. It was one of those tediously pieces of legislation which essentially hands the EU something on the nod (usually funds) - in this case, some £18million of UK taxpayers' money to fund a little propaganda outfit known as the Europe Citizens Programme. Its aim is to “encourage democratic and civic participation of citizens at Union level, by developing citizens’ understanding of the Union policy making-process and promoting opportunities for societal and intercultural engagement and volunteering at Union level”.

Just so we're clear.

During the debate, Jacob Rees-Mogg made one one of the most devastating interventions of modern times; at once unmasking the Government's essential pro-EU policy, and essentially exposing the Prime Minister as a hypocrite. This from Hansard (Column 688):
Jacob Rees-Mogg: This is a dreadful Bill of which Her Majesty’s Government should be deeply ashamed. They should hang their head in shame at having done it. The Department for Culture, Media and Sport, or the Department of entertainments, as my hon. Friend the Member for Aldridge-Brownhills (Sir Richard Shepherd) called it, has agreed to something that directly contradicts what the Prime Minister said a year ago. We have a Prime Minister, a leader of Her Majesty’s Government, who says one thing and a Department for Culture, Media and Sport that brings forward a Bill to do exactly the reverse. The Prime Minister said he was against ever closer union; the money that we are discussing will be spent on promoting ever closer union.

The Commons, in its wisdom, is to contradict the Prime Minister. Does that show the proper control that the Government should have of their legislative programme, if Bills are introduced that make the Prime Minister’s words look like wormwood? Is that how the Government wish to treat the British people? Can we have trust in our politicians in this nation if the Prime Minister says one thing and his Ministers bring forth Bills saying another? Are we to feel that there is any movement in the Government’s policy towards reducing ever closer union when their Bills say the reverse and when the words, which are cheap, say one thing but the Acts of Parliament say another—and say that which the British people are opposed to? We have a review of competences to see whether there is the right balance, yet we increase the competences without having any review at all.

We have, by unanimity, agreed to spend money on promoting the ideal of the European Union, and we have had no apology for it and no defence of it other than the Minister saying that he does not much like it but he does not think it is a grand scheme and it might cheer up his mates in eastern Europe.

Mrs Main: Does my hon. Friend share my concern that the Minister has just admitted that the Bill is a message to the European Union and its citizens, not a message to the British public about our intentions?

Jacob Rees-Mogg: I give way to my hon. Friend the Minister.

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Mr Vaizey: I am not sure that my hon. Friend the Member for St Albans (Mrs Main) represented my views entirely as I would have them represented. After all, I read out quotations supporting the programme from four British organisations that have as much right as anyone else to say that they represent the views of the British people, including the national Holocaust Centre.

Jacob Rees-Mogg: They are four British institutions that have had to take the European shilling and sign up to promoting closer European integration to get access to money—institutions that are meant to be under British charity law and politically independent, except when it comes to Europe, when they get handouts to be biased in what they say.

Conor Burns (Bournemouth West) (Con): Does my hon. Friend agree that, although the Minister is right that the sums are modest and the grants may well go to organisations of merit that the UK would fund anyway without the need to be given our own money back, the programme will undermine us powerfully as we go to our constituencies to try to persuade our electorate that we are sincere about getting powers back to Britain and putting them to the public in a referendum?

Jacob Rees-Mogg: My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The Bill is cretaceous—

Sir Peter Bottomley (Worthing West) (Con): Cretaceous?

Jacob Rees-Mogg: Yes, as in “from Crete”, and we know the reputation—

Sir Peter Bottomley: On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. I know that we occasionally allow words from other languages in the Chamber, but I am not sure whether that one should be allowed.

Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle): I must admit, I did not catch the word that was said, so we will proceed.

Jacob Rees-Mogg: My hon. Friend the Member for Worthing West (Sir Peter Bottomley) will find the word in the “Oxford English Dictionary” if he has a chance to look at it later.

The point is that the programme will absolutely destroy trust and we know that trust in politics is at a low. A recent survey showed that trust in the EU was at an all-time low since the survey was started in 2001. If politicians go around legislating in direct contradiction of what they have said, the British public will take them for untrustworthy.

Graham Stringer: The hon. Gentleman is almost invariably precise on this subject, and I usually agree with him, but he said that the money would be used to promote the ideal of the European Union. In fact, it will be used to promote myths about it, one of which is that the EU, not NATO, has delivered peace in Europe over the past 60 or 70 years.

Jacob Rees-Mogg: I am extremely grateful to the hon. Gentleman, and I apologise for understating my opposition to this Bill. That is not an error I shall repeat.

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The Bill is a desperate disappointment. When I was first elected, I was told by my hon. Friend the Member for Aldridge-Brownhills that Governments would promise things. They would give guarantees, undertakings and reassurances about how Eurosceptic they were, and I, as a young and naive new Member, would believe them and put trust in the leadership of the party to speak as it did, just as my hon. Friend found when he first came here. He said that as time went by I would find that those promises turned out to be as ashes and dust, and that although the Government were willing to say, to play, and to sing the Eurosceptic tune, they would actually be dancing the pro-European dance. In this Bill, that dance has been taken to a further degree. It would win “Strictly Come Dancing” for its skill in dancing to the pro-European tune. It is a great betrayal of trust.

This is not about the amount of money involved, which is small; it is the principle of proposing and advancing the citizenship of Europe—a citizenship that is odious to most subjects of Her Majesty. It is something we never asked for, never wanted, and that most of us would reject, and we object to our taxes being taken to pay for it.

“Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

We know Her Majesty’s Government’s true pro-European colours from this particular fruit.

5.46 pm

Chris Heaton-Harris: I am not sure how I can follow that really.

Sir Peter Bottomley: Just agree with it.
It is a wonder to hear Scripture quoted in the House of Commons - and the Authorised Version, at that: “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

We can but wait.

His Grace would like to thank Mr Rees-Mogg for his intelligent, eloquent and forthright intervention in this debate. An £18million pro-EU propaganda fund will do wonders for the forthcoming referendum (whenever it be). It is heartening to note that on this matter Mr Rees-Mogg takes his whip from neither the Conservative Party nor his Holy Mother.


Blogger David Hussell said...

Thank you Archbishop for bringing this treacherous Bill to the attention of everyone here.

These actions are beyond contempt. It shows contempt for the British public who are, thank fully, becoming less naive as to what Cameron and his like are up to. In that it votes money to pay for propaganda, for aggrandizing the EU and falsifying its true nature, in the minds of the gullible, it shows contempt for truth, Parliament, our national democracy and our national history and heritage. I seldom use strong words but these actions are despicable. It represents a new low from the dysfunctional leadership in political betrayal and dissembling.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is a true gentleman and a national treasure and I for one thank him for his courageous and wise words.

29 January 2014 at 11:07  
Blogger Corrigan said...

So, the problem would seem to be using taxpayer's money to promote a particular political bias? Ok, great. Right behind you on this one, Cranmer. Looking forward to your intervention with BBC Scotland to take issue with them on their leadership of the pro-Union campaign up there.

29 January 2014 at 11:28  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

There you go again, Corrigan. Negative barb, blah, criticism, blah, irrelevant reference to anything remotely related, blah blah blah.

This blog has tackled BBC bias dozens of times. It is not a news service: you pay nothing, and contribute less. You simply keep popping up to be sarcastic or otherwise unpleasant.

Go and harass a Roman Catholic blog: there are loads over at the Telegraph.


29 January 2014 at 11:40  
Blogger Corrigan said...

Oh, play up and play the game, Cranmer. I'm agreeing with you on the EU octopus, I'm just pointing out that those we might call Britnats are not above a little creative accountancy themselves when their own interests are at stake. Call it Catholic Scholasticism in action.

29 January 2014 at 11:52  
Blogger Len said...

Deception is nothing new to those behind the EU.
The Eu was conceived in deception,the UK public were lied to by politicians to get us into the EU and the EU(and our UK Government is treating the public with barely concealed contempt.)

The following quote is from the founder of the European Movement, Jean Monnet in a private correspondence.

"Europe's nations should be guided towards the super state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation."

This was Edward Heath in 1972:
"There is no question of eroding any national sovereignty; there is no blueprint for a federal Europe. There are some in this country who fear that in going into Europe, we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears I need hardly say are completely unjustified"

He later admitted to lying to both parliament and the British people. The same Edward Heath in 1990, in response to the question "Did you have in mind a United States of Europe in 1972?" replied "Of course, yes"

And make of this last comment what you will. Pope Francis was presented with an open invitation to address the European Parliament on his FIRST DAY as head of the Catholic church. EP president Martin Schulz, who attended the inaugural mass in the Vatican Tuesday morning, said the new pope would always be welcome in Strasbourg: "I look forward to welcoming Pope Francis soon, to convey a European and universal message about our fundamental values that we need more than ever."

(These events have taken Centuries to 'engineer'.)

29 January 2014 at 12:59  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

I note UAF signatory Mr Bottomley had to stick his oar in and show his ignorance.

29 January 2014 at 13:08  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

I forget for how many years the EU has not had its accounts signed off by accountants.

The whole shebang is disgraceful. Britain was cheated and manipulated into the whole thing. The pro campaign leaflet in the referendum of 1975 was highly deceitful, stating categorically that political union or loss of sovereignty would never happen, and it was only a "common market" that was or ever would be intended.

When the anti campaign disagreed, they were ridiculed. And yet the people leading the "yes" campaign knew full well what they intended. This is called deceit of the highest order. And any still living involved in that should bow their heads in shame.

I am fascinated by the theory of the 10 superstates across the world being planned. Anyone else come across that theory? Many Americans are highly alarmed. There it is a question of the superstate highway that would link the Americas, and lead the way to higher integration as they see it. However the CAD to the North, and various currencies to the South don't look close to being easily amalgamated at present so maybe they are safe for a while,(the Canadians that is!!)

We are now involved in this appalling bureaucracy which takes most major political decisions and leaves our Parliament as a rubber stamping committee for the most part, though paid substantially more than when it had more power in the 60s and 70s, bizarrely enough. And in addition we have the ghastly spectre of the EU not having had its accounts signed off for many years.

And yet so few voices are raised in protest.

A wonderful speech by Jacob Rees-Mogg. If only such M.P.s had a chance of being highly promoted, as some that are promoted I have noticed abandon their erstwhile principles, and are compromised and manipulated, and he doesn't seem that sort at all.

29 January 2014 at 13:12  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Len @ 12.59

Apart from your Pope Francis bit I agree with you totally.

On a lighter note, although a minor detail, to me "Cretaceous" is a geological period of time, a "system", within the Mesozoic Era, during which sedimentary, carboniferous (limestone/chalk) rocks were laid down. So such rocks can be described as "cretaceous". The Crete reference is new to me, but there you go... but no prizes for guessing who The Minotaur is !

29 January 2014 at 13:21  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Lucy Mullen @ 13.12

Well said on the EU.

Nothing good is ever built upon lies. Our membership of the EU is erected on trickery and lies. The truth always outs.

29 January 2014 at 13:27  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

That's right Len, Pope Francis is conspiring with the EP to invade England. Inviting the Pope to Strasbourg is proof.And to think it took the ingenious mind of born again and again len to bring this to the world's attention. You had better sleep under your bed with a pop gun tonight...the Carthlics are on their way. Miss Mousie will come over to assist you in repelling the invasion by reciting Chaucer, lulling anything standing upright into a coma instantly.

29 January 2014 at 13:47  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

Well apparently the Powell's young daughters knew for sure that Heath was a bad lot when he failed completely to show any sadness, sympathy or emotion whatever when they were in mourning for the death of a much loved hamster. I think any human worth anything sympathises with a small child mourning their pet, regardless of how much you do or do not agree with their parents' political views.

If a fraction of internet rumour re Heath is true there is I am afraid a lot more to come out about the man, including possibly why he had to take the UK into the EC.

Is that fair on the UK people? Not one bit.

29 January 2014 at 14:10  
Blogger skeetstar said...

David H fully agree with your first post, couldn't have put it better myself. I have written to JR-M to applaud his efforts and encourage him to keep up the good work..

Cretaceous? look in you new testament, Titus chapetr 1 v 12 for the sense in which he was using the word.

Lucy.. so few voices are raised in protest, becauise we as a nation have lost faith in our politics and politicians. Some voices are listened to of course, but the majority of the britons who don't want SSM, want out of the EU, want a rationalisation of the NHS and reform of public spending, want a sensible foreign polict based on national interest are rendered utterly voiceless by a corrupted elite.. rant over, my wife says it is my least attractive charecteristic

29 January 2014 at 14:23  
Blogger Anglican said...

The attempts to portray the EU as a Catholic conspiracy are quite misplaced. The ruling junta of the EU are very anti-Christian, whether Catholic, Protestant or Anglican. Nearly every piece of EU legislation forced on us is aimed at undermining Christian values in the name of ‘progress’.

29 January 2014 at 14:43  
Blogger David Hussell said...

skeetstar @ 14.23

Thank you.

Cretaceous ... Titus. Yes, thank you. Paul really liked them didn't he ? I recall chuckling last time I read it, and then thinking, maybe he shouldn't have said that.

Your last paragraph is spot on. We need a bloodless revolution, at the ballot box. The problem is, as you say, busy voters are fed a diet of misinformation by the MS media.

29 January 2014 at 14:53  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

Well, of the 13 UK commissioners listed by Wikipedia, at least one is notably anti-Christian, at least 2 have some very very nasty allegations circulating about them and are definitely "known to the police", at least one has spread very nasty rumours about an MP's death which an acquaintance has paper evidence to show are clearly false, and the so and so knows it (one of the Labour ones, but I cannot be sure which), and another stood aside while one of the good guys was sacked from being head of the BBC, Pontius Pilate fashion, to cover up for a known scoundrel with a dodgy art collection if ever there was one (Ovenden "art", witch and goat's head spiky looking "crucifixes", a giant piece of faeces, and a dinosaur penis amongst it.) Maybe he was cornered and had little choice, but it left a bad taste.

At least 2 are atheists. Some I just don't know anything about. I wish there was one I could say I knew was a good person with a Christian faith, stood up for good people and had no skeletons or cover-ups in the cupboard. Although anti EC I have known pro Europe MEPs of whom that could be said, and do look for and long for good people in power.

29 January 2014 at 15:10  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Len, Happy Jack asks if you could tell him what this comment means: "These events have taken Centuries to 'engineer'."

Jack also asks if you are aware Mr Rees-Mogg is a very traditional Roman Catholic?

29 January 2014 at 16:47  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Very special chap is Jacob Rees-Mogg. We could do with more of the likes of him in parliament, so when he does speak, we should all, every one of us, sit up and take notice. Well, this time he’s certainly rumbled the office manager we have for a prime minister. I say, one does appreciate your style, Sir !

If the esteemed gentleman is reading His Grace today, as so he might (…that would be Mr Rees-Mogg of course, not that other fellow…), he might be inspired by this man’s take on the ever closer union nature of the EU:

An unpleasant necessary at a time when the Soviet Union threatened to undermine European countries with internal Marxist movements with a view to picking them off one by one. The Soviet Union has gone, along with the Berlin wall, and if the UK is representative of others, that said internal Marxist threat (No more money forthcoming from Moscow for them, one would think, the organisers reduced to getting jobs maybe !). Anyway, isn’t it time the EU, as a hangover from the cold war, went the same way too, before it too turns into a Soviet – and that is a REAL threat to us all…

Let us sally forth accordingly…

Pip Pip !

29 January 2014 at 18:10  
Blogger Nicodemus said...

I truly believe the ax is already laid at the root of the tree, which means the present liberal corrupt elitist establishment is beyond redemption, and it's just a matter of time - which is why I'll vote UKIP in the next election, as a protest vote, not because I necessarily believe the future is with them, but because fruitcakes are better than nutters and something has to change.

May the Lord have mercy.

29 January 2014 at 18:59  
Blogger Mr. Morden said...

This is good but also sad. Here we have a politician who has had the mickey taken out of him, and he has taken some offence. He is of course, not a lone.

This sham has gone on for far too long, and people are slowly beginning to wake up. That's about the only positive. Sadly, it may not only be too late, but not enough people are getting sufficiently angry to do something.

UKIP for many may be the answer for some and a protest vote to others. But one of the 3 main parties really do need taking down.

29 January 2014 at 19:27  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Happy Jack has been reading about
what Mr Rees-Mogg said on Radio 4 last year, in the run up to the vote on same sex marriage.

This is his comment: "I’m a Roman Catholic and have made it clear to my constituents that in this sort of matter I take my whip from the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church rather than the Whip’s Office."

As HG points out, so far as Mr Rees-Mogg is concerned, membership of the European Union is not one of those "sort of matters".

29 January 2014 at 19:29  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

The danger as I see it is that everything wrong with Britain is laid at the door of the EU.

So leaving is seen as solving all of our problems at a stroke!

Step 1 of 10000 at the very most. So what is the plan and time frame to tackle the other 9999?

And why can we not tackle more of the 9999 while we are waiting for the in / out vote?


29 January 2014 at 19:42  
Blogger Nick said...

A very forthright speech by Mr Rees-Mogg. It's content isn't exactly news to most of us, but to hear it said in the house in plain English, supported by a quote from Scripture, is refreshing.

I hope those poor deluded protesters in the Ukraine may have heard it too. They naively believe the EU is some kind of democratic utopia. In reality, the EU would probably be a bit like a return to the Soviet Union for them, but without the military oppression (unless we get an EU army).

29 January 2014 at 19:56  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Nick @ 19.56

I agree wholeheartedly.

But note, the EU has been trying to get itself an army.

29 January 2014 at 21:46  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

The Honourable Jacob rebelled against his party last September on the penalty charge provisions for builders’ skips but, for the most part, he is depressingly loyal. In October, he voted for Your Grace’s bête noire, the Transparency of Lobbying, Non-Party Campaigning and Trade Union Administration Bill.

29 January 2014 at 22:49  
Blogger graham wood said...

If as the Hon. Jacob believes that the Bill is "disgraceful" and that it directly contradicts the explicit statement of the PM being "against ever closer union", then the honourable course is for Rees Mogg is to cross the floor of the house either as an independent MP, or as a propspective UKIP candidate for the 2015 GE.

29 January 2014 at 23:34  
Blogger Busy Mum said...

Although Rees-Mogg is a Roman Catholic, neither the EU nor the RC Church are headed by traditional Roman Catholics any more. The President of the European Commission, the President of the European Council and Pope Francis are all Jesuits, whose loyalty to their order (and therefore to each other) transcends any loyalty they may have to the EU, the RC church, their nations and their fellow human beings. Yes, this power grab has been the work of centuries; the Jesuits perfected the art of dissembling long before the West was being led astray by taqiyya.

30 January 2014 at 08:53  
Blogger David Hussell said...

graham wood @ 23.34

A healthy democracy would, once again, have MPs behaving as principled representatives, putting conscience, belief and principle before party, and crossing the floor of the House, as you say. Whilst they behave as career politicians, clinging to office and salary, the public will continue to doubt their principles and question the strength of their consciences.

But I have no doubt that Rees - Mogg is an honourable and principled man. But we seem to have lost the habits that made for a healthy and vibrant democracy.

30 January 2014 at 08:53  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

On the subject of the EC there is a very interesting broadcast interview of Nigel Farage on King World News in which he mentions the harassment of orthodox Christianity in the UK.

I hope His Grace will permit me with respect to post a link to the King World News site, here:

If you then go to the broadcasts I believe that it is the last one (at present). The short advert at the beginning is a tiny bit hard on UK ears to my mind, but get beyond that and it is very interesting, not least to see how the UK and the EU looks within the world context.

30 January 2014 at 11:28  
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30 January 2014 at 12:24  
Blogger skeetstar said...

David H . I shouldn't worry about an EU Army. First off they will all be wearing Hi Viz protective gear, not Cammo. They won't move anywhere withouit a comprehensive risk assessment signed off right to commissioner level. When they do start an advance, in accordance with working time directives, it will be in non polluting electric vehicles, with a range of a few miles. If they get close to an enemy, they will doubtless have to get presidential approval before they can unleash their environmentally freindly non lethal munitions. To preserve and celebrate diversity all units will keep strictly to their own languages, so no one unit could coordinate with another. And should God forbid they cause any casualties, they will all be immediately withdrawn for a course of counselling and re eductaion.

Wellington's soldiers in the Peninsula said that they could follow the retreating french in the dark due to the stink of tobacco and onions. I rather suspect that an EU army would have many of the characteristics of those retreating Frenchmen, when faced with real soldiers.

That said I am guessing the lambs of an EU army would turn to Lions were they ever unleashed on the unarmed citizens of EU member states.

30 January 2014 at 14:02  

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