Saturday, January 25, 2014

Maajid Nawaz: enlightened liberalism swamped by a tide of intolerant Muslims

His Grace reported on this a few days ago: Petition to deselect LibDem candidate Maajid Nawaz for tweeting Jesus and Mo cartoon. He said then: "To be deselected by a political party and barred from standing for Parliament merely for articulating a religious opinion or supporting a particular theological doctrine is an offence to all that is reasonable, honourable and just," and readers and communicants were encouraged to sign the petition supporting Mr Nawaz.

On that day, the two petitions stood at 5,476 in favour of deslecting him, and only 1,150 supporting his right to a) not be offended by a cartoon; b) to say so; and c) to tweet so, with a link to the Jesus and Mo cartoon. Is Parliament really to be purged of those who hold or express religious views to which a few others may object?

Even after His Grace's appeal, which Richard Dawkins kindly re-tweeted to his 884,000 followers, the PETITION supporting Maajid Nawaz stands at just 5,348, and the petition calling for his deselection stands at 19,451.

Political petitions are trivial things, but, seriously, if this is the response of disparate and apathetic enlightened liberalism to the militant zealotry of humourless and intolerant Muslims, we are screwed.


Blogger john in cheshire said...

I have signed it.

25 January 2014 at 11:11  
Blogger criticalbill said...

Surely the petition numbers represent the relative passion of the Sides, not the strength in number, the more powerless side inevitably keener to sign ... He not going to be deselected, I am (complacently) assuming

25 January 2014 at 11:35  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

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25 January 2014 at 12:10  
Blogger Harry-ca-Nab said...

I am sure that our "leaders" will capitulate in some way to the muslim retards.

Just look at the sort of stuff they Tweet/email to Pat Condell for challenging Islam.

25 January 2014 at 12:32  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

I thought it was a matter for the local branch of the Party who was selected. This should be a golden opportunity for Clegg to stand up for democracy, British politics and put these malicious Muslims in their place.

Why the need to spread this man's name around Pakistan other than to intimidate him and his family.

Mohammed Shafiq:

'We will notify all muslim organisations in the UK of his despicable behaviour and also notify Islamic countries.'

25 January 2014 at 12:51  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

the militant zealotry of humourless and intolerant Muslims

After publication of the Mohammed cartoons by Jyllands-Posten, opinion polling was conducted among British Muslims. NOP found that:

‘Seventy-eight percent support punishment for the people who earlier this year published cartoons featuring the Prophet Mohammed. Sixty-eight percent support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who “insult Islam”. When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62 percent of British Muslims say No, it should not.’

To us, it’s militancy, zealotry, humourlessness and intolerance. To Muslims, it’s a sign of their devotion to Allah and his Prophet. As Britain’s Muslim community—a mere 60 years old—already stands at one in 20 of the population, ‘we are screwed’ sums things up quite well.

25 January 2014 at 14:04  
Blogger FrereRabit said...

I signed the petition in support of the Liberal PPC Maajid Nawaz earlier today and I am disappointed to see the lack of energy going into support for his cause by those who should against Muslim extremism. The barbarians are truly inside the gate, as philosopher Alasdair MacIntyre predicted.

Since the extremists compound their ignorance with illiteracy, referring in their petition to "the Prophet's (sic) Muhammad and Jesus..." the barbarism is complete. Thankfully, I am an ex-pat and highly motivated to never return.

25 January 2014 at 14:38  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

What is shocking and preposterous is that Mohammad Shafiq who was attempting to organise a lynch mob against Mr Narwaz should have a place in our government at all. Scratch the surface and his violent tendencies are visible. How about the Lib Dims deselect him for his extreme views instead?

25 January 2014 at 14:47  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Happy Jack agrees with His Grace when he said: "we are screwed".

To work, a pluralist, liberal democracy, based on universal suffrage, requires people to be concerned about how our society is governed. It also means interests should be balanced for the common good by our representatives.

Yep, we are screwed.

25 January 2014 at 15:01  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Hold your ground men, and stay clear of this petition...

Let Nawaz be deselected, and let the Lib-Dems cope will the resulting shower of s__t that will fall on their camp.

Let Clegg condemn Nawaz as well, for insulting Islam.

Let the Lib-Dems be shown to be what they are about - All things to all men – and the most natural of appeasers.

And most of all, let Lib-Dem supporters seriously consider whether a vote for the Lib-Dems is appropriate after what happened to Nawaz and fusilier Rigby...

25 January 2014 at 15:02  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

@ Jonnny Rottenborough

"As Britain’s Muslim community—a mere 60 years old—already stands at one in 20 of the population, ‘we are screwed’ sums things up quite well."

It's one in ten for under fives. These are the jihadists and terrorists of two decades hence.

It this what Tony Blair meant by 'rubbing our faces in diversity'?

25 January 2014 at 15:15  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

BBC News today...

“Britons returning to the UK from Syria will be stopped at the border and face arrest, a senior police chief has said.
Sir Peter Fahy, Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police, told the BBC there was "huge concern" that Britons arriving back after fighting in Syria posed a threat to the UK.”

But as Tony and the rest of the like minded bastards would say even this minute, “Don’t let this detract from the enormous benefits of mass alien immigration and the wonderful multi culture and all it’s benefits resulting”


25 January 2014 at 16:02  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Free speech must be defended at all costs. It's non-negotiable.

I've signed it, alerted friends etc.

25 January 2014 at 17:28  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

It seems to me that these petitions (for there will be more of them) are akin to treating a life-threatening illness with sticking plaster. The growth of Islam threatens Britain’s survival as a free, peaceful, Christian country. If we are to save our way of life, we shall have to give up sticking plaster for surgery, give up petitions for politics. To that end, I shall be voting on the 22nd May for the only party that has the guts to deal with Islam, assuming that a nutter of the Islamic or left-wing variety hasn’t pushed my MEP, Nick Griffin, under a bus by then.

25 January 2014 at 18:34  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Johnny Rottenborogh, “a free, peaceful, Christian country”

One of the problems with our politicians is that they generally have their family homes in areas that still are as the above, including the atheists. It’s only as professional politicians do they give lip service to concerns about growing Islamic intolerance in the cities, if they can bothered to do so at all, this is.

So long as they can get back to the family home in the white middle class suburbs, at least for their long weekend, their concerns about mass immigration will remain where it’s always been. Well to the back of their minds...

25 January 2014 at 19:23  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

We ARE screwed, and it serves us right.

We have had plenty of opportunity to repent since 1967. What did we think would happen if we went on offering a quarter of a million unborn children in human sacrifice to Moloch each year?

Leviticus 18:28.


25 January 2014 at 19:59  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

PS I agree with Ye Inspectre-let's NOT sign the petition and let's see how the Liberals manage the shituation.

If I had a hammer
I'd hammer out warning
I'd hammer out danger
All over the land.

25 January 2014 at 20:02  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Correction Leviticus 18: 21-28.

Actions have consequences. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan concerning the US reprisal bombing raid against Libya.

'We reckoned we could as a nation despise God's righteous ordinances and get on pretty well without Jesus, replacing Christianity with liberalism as a moral guide. We reckoned wrong.'

Perhaps even Dawkins is beginning to get it-when you drive good religion out, you don't get no religion, you get bad religion. Because people will have religion, good or bad.

25 January 2014 at 20:13  
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25 January 2014 at 20:28  
Blogger David Anderson said...

"To be deselected by a political party and barred from standing for Parliament merely for articulating a religious opinion or supporting a particular theological doctrine is an offence to all that is reasonable, honourable and just,"

Without commenting on the case in point, this particular comment is the myth of secular neutrality. It's preposterous nature is easily exposed by a few relevant examples of religious opinions and theological doctrines.

e.g. The supremacy of the Pope over all earthly kings. e.g. The rightness of enforcing Sharia Law everywhere.

Everyone making such claims is implicitly privileging their own religious doctrines over other peoples. (In the contemporary case, that usually means the doctrines of secular humanism, with accompaniments like gay marriage, secularist education, statist over-reach, etc.).

All of life is religious. We can't choose to not have theological doctrines. We just have to choose which ones.

25 January 2014 at 20:29  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ IGiO (19:23)—Not just the politicians but their Greek chorus of journalists, broadcasters, academics, clergy and celebrities: the hypocrites who praise immigration and multiculturalism while insulating themselves and their families from their malign effects.

But there comes a time when the insulation wears thin and the truth comes out. Allison Pearson’s magnificent cri de cœur in the Telegraph is highly recommended.

25 January 2014 at 21:22  
Blogger bluedog said...

Your Grace, it is of course impossible to disagree with your sentiments and your recommendation, in theory. But in practice it frequently pays to let a potentially catastrophic situation descend in to utter chaos before taking action. This is one such situation. The Left and the adherents of multi-culturalism cannot reverse course and admit that their entire construct is threaten by the 'militant zealotry of humourless and intolerant Muslims'. By letting in a little mayhem, even the thickest Leftard may start to understand the risks inherent in a Muslim dominated future.

Meanwhile in the wings, the party of British Gaulism, UKIP, awaits. Every Muslim outrage generates another swathe of votes for UKIP and hastens the day in which LibLabCon is/are consigned to oblivion. One senses an electoral earthquake in the making. A new Britain will arise from the ashes, some may not like what they see, but at least an ancient way of life and associated liberties will be preserved. The alternative, as so many communicants foresee, is the end of Western civilisation and dhimmitude for the surviving clusters of a once proud people.

25 January 2014 at 22:41  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Bravo Bluedog !

The indomitable British spirit, no less...

25 January 2014 at 23:05  
Blogger Integrity said...

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25 January 2014 at 23:17  
Blogger Integrity said...

Your Grace is particularly familiar with a candidate that was deselected because they made a religious comment.
The dilemma is that whichever party, they want to have candidates that fit neatly with the leaders notions of behaviour and beliefs. They do not want someone who might cause offence, even if the offence is imaginary and only in the eye of a critic.
To my mind we need MP's that are individuals and not stool pigeons of the party, but as a Christian, my preference is to have MP's that respect God's principles.
So here we have the dilemma, as it says in the 'Mikado' "Here's a how do you do"

25 January 2014 at 23:20  
Blogger non mouse said...

Your Grace: again, your last sentence is spot on.

Not least, it is as you say because neither parties nor politicians represent the British people. Instead, Parliament rules us in the joint interests of euroland and of Islam.

So ... if politicians tear a hole in the net they have woven to imprison the British, why would we repair it? Let them keep on ripping it apart. The fight is theirs, not ours.

26 January 2014 at 01:57  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Johnny Rottenborough @ 21.22.

You are right. The article by Allison Pearson in the Telegraph is indeed an excellent one, giving the facts, the results of unplanned, uncontrolled immigration with no thought for its effects on the jobs market, our groaning, inadequate infrastructure or our ability to all live together as a reasonably united community and nation. Truly the self styled media and political elite have failed us.

26 January 2014 at 09:44  
Blogger IanCad said...

bluedog wrote:

"-- A new Britain will arise from the ashes--"

Afraid not.

A more pansified, TV. addled, risk averse and conformist race of losers would be hard to find anywhere.

Wholly addicted to getting vicarious fullfilment through sports and other forms of mass entertainment. The shallowness and passivity of the citizenry precludes the prospect of any meaningful change.

Not even a war could shape us up. Health and Safety would see to that.

The entire nation shouid be classified LMF.

Maybe some foreign blood is what we need.

26 January 2014 at 10:45  
Blogger Nicholas Egan said...

While petitions may be useful for raising awareness of a general public concern (both for and against) they should never be the reason for taking a particular action. To do so would be a tyranny by vote.

The measure is tolerance and not equality.

26 January 2014 at 12:51  
Blogger Len said...

There is no such thing as neutral ground in a war especially a spiritual war.
So those who have driven out Christianity have opened the door to the most outwardly dominant anti Christian force which is Islam.
Lets see how secularists are able to handle Islam.'Appeasement' doesn`t seem to be working it is just seen as a weakness.

26 January 2014 at 13:44  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Excellent that article from Alison Pearson in Telegraph, but it just washes right over the government, they carry on as if it isn't happeing, and it might well not have reached Chipping Norton yet but it will. (Someone ought to erect directional arrows for the Roma trickling in to head out to Chipping Norton for free board and lodge! Only then something might be done about immigration.)

The police need government back up to give them courage to tackle the crimes of bulling, intimidation, robbery, the bullying of western school boys to steal their phones, computers and kit, and western girl grooming for sex that goes on in the Northern cities and towns that are populated with mass muslims. At the moment the police are wary of or back off attending incidents
in these no go areas and that is letting down our citizens as they pay council tax for the police service too. It has come to something when western women feel they can't go out at night in their own area without getting abuse and intimidation from muslim gangs of men.

The government have to face up to these problems and deal with them, and the left wing and liberals can screech Islamophobe, racist, bigot, xenophobe etc... all they like if they hadn't allowed open door policy we wouldn't be in this mess.

26 January 2014 at 15:47  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Very nice area around Chipping Norton. Who knows, in centuries to come, it could well be where the English make their final stand...

26 January 2014 at 20:38  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ IanCad (10:45)—Maybe some foreign blood is what we need

Since the War, we’ve had the largest influx of foreign blood in our history. It hasn’t done us much good. A country that had grown into a nation by virtue of common ancestry and centuries of history is becoming Balkanized to the extent that some immigrant communities are forsaking the law of the land and administering their own justice.

Don’t blame the native British for their country’s present sorry state. Blame the Establishment for dumbing down our schools, offshoring our law-making, heaping debt on generations yet unborn to buy our votes and keep itself in power, and transforming a nation into a shambles of races, religions and cultures.

@ Marie (15:47)—Dean is where the Roma should set up camp, roughly halfway between Chipping Norton and Charlbury.

26 January 2014 at 23:44  
Blogger malpas said...

Of course it is all your fault. The only hope was a sturdy british bigot who didn't like change , didn't like foreigners and didnt care if things were bad for him.
And you hounded him. Sacked him. Imprsonbed him.
So now it is a matter of just dividing the uk up into tribal areas.

27 January 2014 at 06:09  
Blogger IanCad said...

Johnny Rottenborough wrote:

"---Don’t blame the native British for their country’s present sorry state. Blame the Establishment for dumbing down---"

So, our sturdy native stock requires the Establishment to tell them what to think!

You may be right; and if so, then the very notion of representative government is obsolete.

Governments nearly always reflect the character and whims of the people.

Even monarchies: "The King rules at the pleasure of his people"

Don't blame the Establishment. Blame the British.

27 January 2014 at 08:35  
Blogger Len said...

The whole' British thing' was one of freedom.
That is why we fought every invading force.
But we have been invaded by stealth.The enemy has become one with us.
The enemy was once easy to define he came at us in boats armed with swords and spears and all could see who he was.He later came with planes and bombs .
In all this he failed ,but then he conceived a far more cunning plan He would become one of us and destroy us from within.

27 January 2014 at 10:41  
Blogger Len said...

So this 'enemy within 'decided to rip up and destroy the very foundations of our British society.
The first foundation to be attacked was our Judeo /christian foundation.He did this by attacking the Genesis account in the Word of God and replacing it with the word of man 'Evolution.If the very foundation stone of the bible could be discredited that would invalidate the whole structure of the Bible.The Church has even assisted the evolutionists in this!


Destroy national identity by allowing unrestricted entry into our Country.

and so on.

Create the problem then supply the solution , which is more laws ,less freedom, more problems , more laws,etc.

The EU is a veritable' Trojan Horse' and our establishment will never want it removed it serves them too well.

27 January 2014 at 10:54  
Blogger bluedog said...

IanCad @ 10.45 wrote, 'A more pansified, TV. addled, risk averse and conformist race of losers would be hard to find anywhere.'


'And we shall shock them: nought shall make us rue... WS, King John.

27 January 2014 at 11:32  
Blogger IanCad said...


I may be guilty of a little hyperbole but I shall not deceive myself by citing the days of yore as a pattern for our eternal greatness.

Did not the sturdy Vikings, terror of the nations, sire the ever-so-nice and oh-so-polite Swedes and Danes? Now navel gazing folk with milk in their veins.

The Arab Corsairs, intrepid and bold now peddle their sons and daughters in the bazaars of the Barbary Coast.

The Romans pick pockets around the Trevi Fountain.

We talk of Drake and Hawke and Nelson but sail only with Cunard.

Fortitude must be practised to be maintained.

27 January 2014 at 12:52  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Johnny R
Well get the directions printed and put up in Victoria coach station arrivals. A coach can be arranged to transport them onwards to Dean and billed to the Con party. They've got plenty of crony donors to pay for it.

27 January 2014 at 13:32  
Blogger bluedog said...

IanCad @ 12.52, so what should Denmark (pop. 5m) and Sweden (pop 8.5m) do? Invade China to get noticed? You're being frivolous.

There is no suggestion that Britain can return to the glory days and rule 25% of the planet on behalf of a grateful and adoring populace. The combination of circumstances that enabled our extraordinary adventure have gone and will never return. But the British people have not lost their DNA, and the nation has not been conquered and ransacked by a foreign power. There is no reason why Britain cannot prosper as an independent nation state seized of its own sovereignty. What is totally enervating is the EU and its progressive erosion of that sovereignty, encouraged by a self-perpetuating and self-serving elite.

If you have never come across the Canadian Boating Song (anon), this communicant commends it. A bit Scottish perhaps, but here are the first and last verses;

'Listen to me, as when ye heard our father
Sing long ago, the song of other shores —
Listen to me, and then in chorus gather
All your deep voices, as ye pull your oars:

Fair these broad meads — these hoary woods are grand;
But we are exiles from our fathers' land.

From the lone shieling of the misty island
Mountains divide us, and the waste of seas —
Yet still the blood is strong, the heart is Highland,
And we in dreams behold the Hebrides:


'Come foreign rage — let Discord burst in slaughter!
O then for clansman true, and stern claymore —
The hearts that would have given their blood like water,
Beat heavily beyond the Atlantic roar:
Fair these broad meads — these hoary woods are grand;
But we are exiles from our fathers' land.'

Now this communicant is not Canadian and has yet to visit Canada. But he knows his way around the Gaeltacht, a part of Britain still, and is always deeply impressed by the raw energy of these words that speak of a Britain we must hope we have not lost.

28 January 2014 at 10:28  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Petition sponsor Chris Moos emailed this today.

...We fundamentally believe in freedom of expression in an open, liberal and free society and therefore strongly defend Maajid’s right to express his views. Maajid was commenting on a recent BBC programme which covered this issue and wanted to make the point that as a Muslim he did not regard depiction of the Prophet Muhammad as being offensive...

Nick Clegg

28 January 2014 at 13:19  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

Your Grace, I signed it and I also pointed out to Nicky Campbell(by e mail) on his show the other morning that there was a petition for Mr Naawaz as he only saw fit to mention the petition against when introducing his topic for that day. He still didn't see fit to mention it so it seems the media,esp the BBC,take sides on this issue. That might have a small bearing on the vote count.

28 January 2014 at 15:32  
Blogger IanCad said...

bluedog wrote:

"--There is no reason why Britain cannot prosper as an independent nation state seized of its own sovereignty---"

That prompts the question: Where was all that good DNA when we gave so much of our independence to a foreign power? The EU.

Sovereignty, once lost is rarely gained back without the distresses of war. Neither is it achieved without a resolute and determined populace.

Can't see it happening.

Stirring words indeed from our Canadian cousins.

As with all such jingoistic and sentimental claptrap; sung after the bars are closed.
You won't hear such lines at 6am.

The Highland Clearances were a great blessing for so many Scots.

28 January 2014 at 18:11  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr IanCad @ 18.11 asks, 'Where was all that good DNA when we gave so much of our independence to a foreign power? The EU.'

Answer: the impending loss of sovereignty was never explained and was always concealed.

And, 'As with all such jingoistic and sentimental claptrap.'

But man does not live by bread alone, there's the vision thing. Why else would otherwise rational individuals drive massive 4WD motor cars around in cities? Answer: they dream of being somewhere else, and they have bought a tantalising vision of escape to a new reality.

The truth is that at any given time the numbers of movers and shakers amount to at best, 2% of the population. But out of that demographic comes the exceptional who point the way to a better future and have the skills to both sell and manage that vision, and its execution. That vision word again.

So to criticise the British as a bunch of pansified losers misses the point. 98% of the population will always simply conform in the interests of survival. The skill comes in changing the agreed path to enterprise and success, such that a majority of the 98% concurr.

28 January 2014 at 21:19  
Blogger IanCad said...


"---the impending loss of sovereignty was never explained and was always concealed---
"--98% of the population will always simply conform in the interests of survival--"

I usually agree with you on most issues but I'm having a deal of difficulty understanding as to how exactly, the above statements, by you, can be taken as anything other than an endorsement of my low opinion of the manhood of this country.

So; A Hitler could lead us just as easily as the Germans??
Maybe so.

28 January 2014 at 22:24  

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