Wednesday, February 12, 2014

For those who can't be bothered to read the Archbishop of Canterbury's Presidential Address to Synod


For those who can be bothered, the Address may be found HERE.

47 Comments:

Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Strewth!

Can't see the word Jesus/Christ/Repent/Salvation in that circle/pie.

Looks more like a motivational speech conference than a meeting to discuss the course Christ may wish them to walk towards and therefore lead others...as His supposedly loyal servants?

Blofeld

12 February 2014 at 12:52  
Blogger Tom said...

Christ is there, top-right corner. Smaller than 'bishops' and 'church', of course.

12 February 2014 at 13:12  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"Filling us the grace and love of Christ WHO LEADS US IN MISSION."

Indeed Tom, but as shown above from the full address, He did get a likkle message in dispatches but as a footnote at the end and as a way of saying 'He blesses us so who needs a map or set of instructions, we are on track'.

What on earth would the Apostles, who wrote the epistles and relentlessly mention who are hope is and why, and are our foundation going forward as Brethren, think of a 'Leader' and hierarchy that is ashamed to mention His name throughout??

When The Son Of Man Comes, Will He Find Faith On The Earth?

Great Shame and tragic as an insight into navel gazing.

Blofeld
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12 February 2014 at 13:23  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

They have created an 11th Commandment

Thou shalt not mention the name of the Lord thy God in public, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that mentioneth his name in public and therefore causeth offense to others.".

Blofeld

12 February 2014 at 13:32  
Blogger William Lewis said...

Having heard the address I think that Christ was in it more than the metric shows. Given that the most common command of the Bible is "do not be afraid" I would add that it was based on biblical foundations and pertinent to the audience.

I hope and pray that the Synod embraces the hopes expressed therein. There is more than enough division.

12 February 2014 at 13:33  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Welby said

"We all know that perfect love casts out fear. We know it although we don’t often apply it. We mostly know that perfect fear casts out love."

William said

"Given that the most common command of the Bible is "do not be afraid" I would add that it was based on biblical foundations and pertinent to the audience."

Ernst says

"Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight."

First, what the Bible means by "the fear of the Lord" is far deeper than mere "respect." You can have respect for policemen, and for debating partners, and even for money. But the "fear of the Lord" is something that takes its specific character from its object, from the Lord. It is awe. It is worship. It is wonder. It is absolute adoration and hanging on to His every word and following it to the letter.

The church used to instill this awe. The main reason she is so pathetic and subservient to the world today is because she no longer instills this awe or even knows it. For this awe is "the beginning of wisdom" and the heart of all true faith.

"Perfect love casts out fear" (1 Jn 4:18)

Love should cast out terror, but it should not cast out awe. True love of God includes awe.

For the absence of the fear/awe of God is arrogance and pride. How dare sinners put their arms round God shoulders, as some chum, without first falling down in repentance and fear and calling on the Blood of Christ to save us?

Christ himself told us to fear, and whom to fear: "Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell" (Mt 10:28).

Blofeld has spoken, my lad.

12 February 2014 at 13:52  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"do not be afraid" is a commandment from God that He is with us whilst the world is against us...however

Ecclesiastes

7:16-18 Do not be overrighteous, neither be overwise-- why destroy yourself? Do not be overwicked, and do not be a fool-- why die before your time? It is good to grasp the one and not let go of the other. The man who fears God will avoid all extremes.

8:12-13 Although a wicked man commits a hundred crimes and still lives a long time, I know that it will go better with God-fearing men, who are reverent before God. Yet because the wicked do not fear God, it will not go well with them, and their days will not lengthen like a shadow.

12:13 Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.

In Jeremiah 18:1, 2, Jehovah tells His servant to "go down to the potter's house," and there He would cause him to hear His words. Obedient to the word of the Lord, Jeremiah went to the potter's house, and saw him working on a vessel on the wheels, "And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter." The potter then took the clay again and made it "another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it."

Having seen what the potter wrought, the Lord spoke to His servant as He had promised, and the words spoken were addressed to the house of Israel. God was instructing His servant as to His sovereignty, saying, "Cannot I do with you as this potter? . . . Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel" (Jer. 18:5, 6). The nation of Israel was not free to do exactly as it pleased, for it was in God's hand and He could do with it just as He pleased.

At the time God was speaking to His servant Jeremiah, the house of Israel was "marred in the hand of the potter." God in His goodness had brought them out of Egypt, and had planted them in the land of promise to be a witness for Himself to the nations of the world. He had hedged them in, keeping them apart from the nations, so that they might be free from all the pollutions of the nations, and He had protected them, giving them His law that they might know how to be pure as a people for Himself. Alas! they were found marred in the hand of the potter. They had become polluted with idolatry, their kings, their priests, their princes, their elders, and the people themselves were all involved in the ruin that was about to bring upon them the judgment of God.

In long-suffering and mercy God was waiting, looking for some evidence of repentance, so that the judgment long since predicted might be delayed, or that He might, in mercy, turn from His anger and bless them. They could not escape from the hand of God, but God was prepared, like the potter, to make them into another vessel, a vessel that would be for His pleasure.

How wonderful is God's mercy! He has no delight in judgment, but He delights in mercy for those that fear and love Him.

Fear/awe brings us into a right relationship as to who is the potter and who the vessel.

Blofeld

12 February 2014 at 14:12  
Blogger gentlemind said...

I think the speech ought to have come with instructions - I didn't know when to laugh and when to cry.

When we disagree with somebody, we disagree with them about some thing. Welby instructs A to disagree with B while facilitating B's practical flourishing. But the flourishing does not exist in relation to B - it exists in relation to the thing which A and B disagree on!

This is the way that morality is ushered out - by ushering in "tolerance" in the name of mutual flourishing. Diabolical.

12 February 2014 at 14:20  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Oops

"there is going to have to be a massive cultural change that accepts that people with whom I differ deeply are also deeply loved by Christ and therefore must be deeply loved by me and love means seeking their flourishing. We cannot make any sense of 'Philippians chapter 2' and the hymn to the Servant unless we adopt that approach. The gift that Christ gives us, of loving us to the end, to the ultimate degree is meaningless unless that love is both given and received, and then passed on.

Yet Paul said in concluding, Mr Welby;

17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern.
18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the ENEMIES of the cross of Christ:
19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—WHO SET THEIR MIND ON EARTHLY THINGS.
20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

These Paul is speaking about are people who say they are the friends of Christ and the cross of Christ, who advocate Christ, who identify with Christ, whose names are on the church roll, who want spiritual leadership, but they are the enemies of the cross of Christ.
They're very subtle and quote from a glossary of terms, but they are professors who are not possessors. There are those who may profess Christ but don’t actually have a personal relationship with Him. Paul describes for us the enemies of the cross of Christ and when he refers to the enemies of the cross of Christ, I believe he is referring to those who don’t preach a pure gospel. It takes discernment to recognise them through their crafty use of words..

Paul says, I tell you now even weeping. Paul was moved with compassion and emotion for them, but they choose to be enemies rather than friends of Christ.

Blofeld

12 February 2014 at 14:33  
Blogger Flossie said...

How interesting to learn that the 'facilitated conversations' on which the Archbishop of Canterbury is so keen are being financed by The Episcopal Church in the USA - especially bearing in mind the fulsome praise he has recently heaped onto the Presiding Bishop over the deplorable Honorary Doctorate awarded to this appalling woman by Oxford University.

http://www.kendallharmon.net/t19/index.php/t19/article/52979/

12 February 2014 at 15:20  
Blogger Nick said...

He seems to be saying that those of us who want the church to be rooted in Scripture, rather than social trends, are simply "afraid".

So courage means having the "courage" to go against what God ordains. No wonder he talks about his heart beating faster, that's what happens when you get closer to the precipice.

12 February 2014 at 15:32  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Read it. Warm and fuzzy.

As CS Lewis wrote, perfect love is not the only thing that can cast out fear. Alcohol will do it, and ignorance (fools rush in where angels fear to tread) and presumption too.

On the other hand, the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, fools despise wisdom and instruction, as Proverbs tells us.

Via media sounds great until you come to the point where the road divides into two routes- one strait and narrow, the other broad and easy.

Re-read John Bunyan and choose wisely. Don't take to road to Laodicea.

12 February 2014 at 17:37  
Blogger Thomas Keningley said...

Mmm. Yes, a suspicious lack of "Jesus" and a miniscule "Christ", barely visible. Even the more generic "God" appears less than "world". Sigh...

12 February 2014 at 18:02  
Blogger Anglican said...

It does appear that, in the future CofE, people will be able to believe anything, and have any ‘lifestyle’ they like (provided these are not contrary to received political correctness). “If we are to live out a commitment to the flourishing of every tradition of the church there is going to have to be a massive cultural change that accepts that people with whom I differ deeply are also deeply loved by Christ and therefore must be deeply loved by me and love means seeking their flourishing.”

“People with whom I differ are also deeply loved by Christ.” Very true. But does that mean that they are necessarily Christian? It applies equally to Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus. Christ does love them, but that does not make them Christians, or members of the church. Some of the things the Archbishop talks about have never been a ‘tradition of the church’ or countenanced by Holy Scripture. How long does it take for something quite new – and opposed to every tradition of the church from the beginning, as well as Holy Scripture – to become a ‘tradition of the church?’ Absolutely anything could become a ‘tradition of the church’. Devil worship anyone? It would be like living on a quicksand. There can be only one result – the CofE would fade away like the smile of the Cheshire cat.

12 February 2014 at 18:05  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Well, so, let's remember the purpose of this speech. In the CoE's continuing quest to blow the back of its head all over the wall ... uh ... consecrate Women Bishops, it has so far done the easy parts. The difficult work (i.e. all the practical details) is still to come. This speech was a plea to the majority to not use its advantange to press home to total victory. Because if they do that - if they don't provide some institutional way to protect the perpetual existence of opponents of WO within the CoE - then this whole effort is going to collapse.

carl

12 February 2014 at 18:30  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Anglican @ 18:05

DO you have an alternative name ready for yourself if your last sentence were to come true?

12 February 2014 at 18:56  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...



“We have received a report with disagreement in it on sexuality, through the group led by Sir Joseph Pilling. There is great fear among some, here and round the world, that that will lead to the betrayal of our traditions, to the denial of the authority of scripture, to apostasy, not to use too strong a word. And there is also a great fear that our decisions will lead us to the rejection of LGBT people, to irrelevance in a changing society, to behaviour that many see akin to racism. Both those fears are alive and well in this room today.”

{HOLDING BACK THE TEARS…}. It’s true, oh so true…

Condemning promiscuous sex with strangers in public areas, the rampant disease transmitted, the drug abuse required to maintain {AHEM}, an erection to service as many men as possible, the disgusting pornography involved in arousal, the predation of young boys, the child abuse that is gay adoption, the incidence of violence in gay relationships, the unfaithfulness of these couples towards each other, the suicides resulting from a life of debauchery now denied the older ones as their looks have gone, the corrupting of society to accept all the aforementioned, which will eventually lead to LGBT going into schools, protected by man’s law, to advocate young boys bugger each other.

Yes, all this and more, can be compared to racism, can it ?

By the way Mr Welby, delivering the LGBT “to irrelevance in a changing society” is actually a worthwhile goal to aim for. But don’t take this man’s word for it, log onto Pink News and see your sinning flock in all it’s selfish glory. Make a comment there, and bathe in the warm reception you will receive.

Of course, the church can close its eyes to all that. But if does and if the CoE ‘embraces’ homosexuality, it embraces the lot, all the above, not just those ‘sincere and loving partnerships’ that are church types. And just to make sure, that nice Mr Tatchell will be back to see you to make sure you comply, as well as canvassing for future LGBT initiatives. And if you don’t prostitute your office further by whole heartedly throwing your lot behind the latter, he’ll go straight to the press and condemn you all for going back on your pledge and reverting to a ‘homophobic institution’. A short and curlies situation, if you will, that will NEVER end.

Good day to you Sir.



12 February 2014 at 19:04  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Inspector @ 19:04

My reading is not that LGBT will become irrelevant, but that the Church will become irrelevant if it doesn't go with the social flow.

Two conflicting views of Christianity going on here.

1. A human invention that used to mould social attitudes, but must now follow them.

2. A Divine revelation that includes the injunction to not be conformed to the World.

The one view has God on its side. The other doesn't because it isn't sure if God exists, and even if He?She?It? does, best keep quiet about the fact in case you give offence to somebody.

12 February 2014 at 19:20  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Hmmm. You may have something there Explorer...

Anyway, if Mr Welby is somewhat worried of his church turning into an irrelevance, he could do worse than to invest in a line up of dancing girls. The ‘Lambeth Belles’ perhaps. If he wants to chase fashion, then let him go ahead with that. I’ll tell you this, it would be a damn sight more wholesome than adding anus sex to the canon...

12 February 2014 at 19:36  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Inspector:

It all hinges on the Resurrection. If that happened (an historical event about which it is possible to have a rational opinion) then Christian truths are still binding.

If it didn't, then let us eat drink and be merry (as far as personal finances,health issues, natural disasters, or the decisions of idiot politicians will allow) until such time as death takes us. (Or until death takes our culture: at the hands of those with a more robust conviction than hedonism.)

12 February 2014 at 20:19  
Blogger Integrity said...

William Lewis said @ 13:33, I hope and pray that the Synod embraces the hopes expressed therein. There is more than enough division.
I agree, but division in the church comes when a path is chosen by those who wish to ignore the words of scripture.

12 February 2014 at 21:21  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

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12 February 2014 at 21:24  
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12 February 2014 at 21:28  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

I thought I would share with you my Lord's prepared address to Synod which, alas, he was not called upon to deliver.

"Let us, with a gladsome mind, reflect upon the traditions of our Church. Not gladsome to be gay, but glad that it is the church of Cranmer and of Hooker (not that sort of hooker) of George Herbert and Bishop Jewel. Indeed, let us not forget the stirling work done by Mrs. Cranmer, Mrs Hooker and Mrs Jewel, gathering the flowers of the field to adorn the Communion Tables of our parish churches and brewing the cups that overfloweth. There are many mansions, and not everyone is forced to live together and share the same bathroom or toothbrush, for the water of life can flow through several fawcets - different though equal). Our Lord told Peter he was the rock, and it is time for us to throw the first stone at those Spacely-Trellisites who, with weasel words and wicked enthusiasms seek innovation, which is indeed a horrid thing. Let us move forward to 1662 with grace and hallelujahs, observe the Feast of King Charles the Martyr and tell the blighters to bugger off..."

I have to admit I helped my Lord a bit...well a lot...well, (ahem) all of it.

12 February 2014 at 21:30  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

That’s it Explorer. “Blessed are those who have not seen yet believe”

Would make a rather good motto for the CoE, than as Mrs Proudie purports, “Sing hymns if you are glad to be gay”

Then the AoC can address the flock. “Render unto Wonga what is Wonga’s. Then don’t borrow from him again but rejoice in the generous state benefits that hard working types provide unto thee, for thou are not worthy, thy slack lot”.

12 February 2014 at 22:18  
Blogger William Lewis said...

Integrity

"I agree, but division in the church comes when a path is chosen by those who wish to ignore the words of scripture."

True, but division can also come through a lack of consideration, and love for our brothers and sisters and ++Welby was right to highlight this I think.

Of course, the CoE is trying to encompass increasingly divergent views, some of which are straying from biblical truth, and this cannot continue forever.

How the CoE handles the issues around women bishops and its approach to gay marriage and gay clergy will be a touchstone (shibboleth) for many.

12 February 2014 at 22:22  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Mrs Proudie, Happy Jack says that was a controversial speech you crafted. You are a lady with hidden depths. And there was Jack thinking you were 'Low Church'!

'Church of England - Back to the Future III'?

12 February 2014 at 22:28  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Dear Happy Jack, I think I am fairly Low with considerable Broad bits...

12 February 2014 at 22:42  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Inspector, strong words @ 19:04 but Happy Jack agrees with your views even if he's not entirely comfortable with the way you've expressed them.

Jack suggests you omitted perhaps the most significant aspect for a Christian - the biblical warnings of eternal consequences if people do not turn to Jesus and reject sin.

Speaking the truth with love means preaching God is a God of Mercy but His Mercy and Love requires repentance and a new life.

Jack will reserve his views on your comment @ 22:18. He recalls having an exchange with you on this on his first few days here.

12 February 2014 at 22:44  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

My Dear Mrs Proudie, Happy Jack says there is nothing 'low' about you. We need to finfd another word. Slope is 'low', not you. And Jack is confident that with regular exercise, when the weather improves, the 'broad bits' will disappear.

*chuckle*

12 February 2014 at 22:50  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Jack. If the CoE can “come to terms” with homosexuality in general, it would be in an excellent position to extol why dog shit in the street is not necessarily a bad thing...

Let the condition be as it is now, under the advice of a priest. On an individual basis.

For God’s sake, there are some issues where a united front is not the thing...



12 February 2014 at 22:53  
Blogger Inspector Sidney Wang said...

This man agrees with Inspector.

12 February 2014 at 23:06  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Agreed, Inspector.

12 February 2014 at 23:13  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

... and with Jack's hat on.

12 February 2014 at 23:14  
Blogger Inspector Sidney Wang said...

Happy Jack,

Sidney Wang greets you from the far away east. He notes that a man should wear a hat and you have a good one there...

12 February 2014 at 23:18  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Sidney Wang sir. Consider yourself elevated to that of Chief Inspector. In England, at least...

12 February 2014 at 23:23  
Blogger Inspector Sidney Wang said...

Inspector, Inspector Wang is honored by such a compliment. He bows to you. For humble Wang, he gains inspiration from Inspector General Superior in England, have admired you ever since I was tiny little detective.. If Inspector is ever in China, one shall take him to the 'House of the Dragon' in Peking, for oriental food, such as Chop Dick Duck.

12 February 2014 at 23:36  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

That was “Chop Duck” my man – wasn’t it ?

12 February 2014 at 23:45  
Blogger Inspector Sidney Wang said...

Ah yes Inspector,

My English isnot as fluent as it could be...This man learns!

12 February 2014 at 23:52  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Greetings from Happy Jack, Inspector Sidney Wang and welcome. Yes, Jack agrees, all men should wear hats.

Are you familiar with the oriental expression: "I better get home or the ducks will have something to eat"? Makes a man quiver.

12 February 2014 at 23:54  
Blogger non mouse said...

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13 February 2014 at 03:08  
Blogger non mouse said...

Your Grace - One recalls when our islands were beset by Vikings. The invaders murdered King Edmund of East Anglia in AD869, even though he had earlier supplied them with horses, food, and winter quarters.

The Vikings demanded that Edmund surrender his country and its wealth, and serve as an 'under-king.' Here from Aelfric's account (BL, Cotton Julius E. vii, ff 203r-207r) we see the difference between a saintly leader, and a weak and feeble bishop:

Indeed, then King Edmund summoned the bishop who was nearest to him, and considered with him how he should answer the cruel Hinguar [the Viking]. The bishop was fearful of this sudden event and for the king's life, and said that it seemed advisable to him that he should submit to what Hinguar demanded from him. Then the king fell silent and looked to the ground and said regally to him next: "Sadly, bishop,the wretched people of this land are treated too miserably, and I would rather fall in battle now as long as my people might enjoy their homeland."

And the bishop said: "Alas, your people lie dead, and you do not have help to enable you to fight, and the Vikings will come and will bind you alive unless you save your life by flight, or you save yourself by submitting to them."


The king insisted, despite carnage both wrought and pending: "It has never been my custom to take flight; I would rather die if I must for my own homeland; and Almighty God knows that I will never deviate from his service, or from his true love, whether I die, or I live."

Then, rather than kill Hinguar's messenger, Edmund tells him: ". . . I will not defile my clean hands with your foul blood, because I follow Christ, who set us such an example; and I will happily be killed by you if God ordains it so. Go very quickly now and tell your cruel lord "Edmund will never yield in this life to Hinguar, the heathen commander, unless he will first submit with faith in this land to Christ the Saviour" ("PSE" 135).*
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*Treharne, Elaine, ed. and trans. "Passion of St. Edmund." ["PSE"] Old and Middle English c.890-c.1400. An Anthology. 2nd edition. Blackwell: Oxford, 2004; 132-139.

Cont'd...

13 February 2014 at 03:12  
Blogger non mouse said...

cont'd...

Well, of course the Vikings did him in, and the usual miracles and wonders ensued in relation to the uncorrupted body of the saint. My point, though, is that Edmund's example inspired our people then, as it should now.

Actually Aelfric indirectly excuses the bishop by suggesting that ". . . it does not become those who are chosen to serve God to consent to any man's death, if they are the Lord's servants" (PSE).

However, one doubts if he would excuse bishops who consent to the death of the Lord's church in England; because surely that is what will ensue as formerly loyal members leave, refusing to celebrate unnatural, un-Godly practices.

13 February 2014 at 03:29  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Goodness! A new communicant - how splendid! Greetings and felicitations Inspector Sidney Wang. May I ask...can you speak in Tongs?

13 February 2014 at 08:51  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Dear Happy Jack, I shall take to my exercise-Penny Farthing immediately and melt away the Broad bits...who knows, I might even get High...

13 February 2014 at 08:53  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Dear Mrs Proudie, forgive Happy Jack for not doffing his hat this morning. It really is quite a palarther on this bloomin' contraption.

Now, dear lady, do take care if you're considering mounting a 'penny farthing'. Leave that to Slope. The narrow saddle all the bumping may be suited to his disposition. No, you my fine woman, deserve better.

Jack will endeavour to get one his pals to deliver a new cycling machine to the Cathedral - a tandem. It has a comfortable, sprung saddle so much smoother. They are not yet in production but Jack knows a man who knows a man. Much more refined and, think, you and your Lordship can spend many happy hours riding together in the countryside of Barsetshire. The only decision is whether one mounts it with you at the front or rear.

13 February 2014 at 10:31  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Dear Happy Jack, the tandem sounds delightful! I shall watch out for the post office delivery man with anticipation. I read somewhere that Mrs. Bloomer has invented a suitable mode of dress to facilitate riding these new-fangled contraptions, so I shall investigate. Now I must go and lie down - this dreadful news from Belgium about euthanasia for children has upset me terribly and am near to tears.

13 February 2014 at 16:40  

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