Thursday, February 20, 2014

More bishops heap burning coals on Cameron


His Grace appears to be (very slightly) in error. Not to worry: he has never claimed to be infallible.

His previous assertion that 74 Anglican bishops "were unable, for one reason or another" to sign the fractious letter to the Mirror is true only if one includes the inability to sign because they were not asked. The Bishop of Bradford (Bishop-designate of Leeds) the Rt Rev'd Nick Baines was not approached (which is a little odd, seeing as how his insightful views are very much in the public realm, and appreciated across the political divide).

So, the best thing to do is to re-open the signatory-list of this red-topped letter, and see how many bishops and archbishops actually support it.

The original list:

Stephen Platten, Wakefield
David Walker, Manchester
Tim Stevens, Leicester
Andy John, Bangor
Tony Porter, Sherwood
Paul Butler, Durham
Alan Wilson, Buckingham
Alan Smith, St Albans
Nick Holtam, Salisbury
Tim Thornton, Truro
John Pritchard, Oxford
Steven Croft, Sheffield
Jonathan Gledhill, Lichfield
Michael Perham, Gloucester
Alastair Redfern, Derby
Lee Rayfield, Swindon
James Langstaff, Rochester
Martin Warner, Chichester
Mike Hill, Bristol
Martin Wharton, Newcastle
Peter Maurice, Taunton
Gregory Cameron, St Asaph
Peter Burrows, Doncaster
Stephen Cottrell, Chelmsford
Martyn Snow, Tewkesbury
John Holbrook, Brixworth
David Urquhart, Birmingham

Now includes:

Nick Baines, Bradford
Pete Broadbent, Willesden
Paul Bayes, Hertford
Graham Kings,  Sherborne
Stephen Conway, Ely
Brian Castle, Tonbridge
Jonathan Clark, Croydon
“One of the things about the church, both the Catholic and Anglican and the other churches in this country, is that we have people on the ground all over the place. And it is from the upswell of feeling that they are reporting, that sense that they are seeing in their own church communities as priests, as ministers, as pastors … that these letters and the comments of Cardinal Nichols are coming. I am entirely with him.”
Justin Welby, Canterbury

If other bishops would care to add their names in the comment thread, or email/tweet His Grace directly, he will produce a more complete list. It is important to establish the real extent of this politician-prelate gap; to understand precisely what proportion of the Anglican Episcopacy repudiates the Government's welfare reforms based on their unrivaled "on-the-ground experience". Bless you. 

91 Comments:

Blogger WindsorBloke said...

In this letter and elsewhere they don't help their case by the use of exaggerated language. Destitution? Poverty? Really?

I remember from my boyhood people talking about "struggling to make ends meet", or "finding things a tough at the moment", but poverty?

In the words of my late mother, "it's poverty when you haven't got shoes to go to school". I'd hazard a guess that several of these "destitute" families have got satellite TV and mobile phones.

Certainly there are people in need who require help, but they're not helped by over-egging the pudding.

20 February 2014 at 12:01  
Blogger Pete Broadbent said...

You can add my name. This isn't party political - it's simply based on the day-to-day experience of our priests and lay people running food banks and involved in debt counselling on the ground.

Pete Broadbent
Bishop of Willesden

20 February 2014 at 12:07  
Blogger English Pensioner said...

The only comment that I'd make is that 100 bishops for this country seems rather excessive.

20 February 2014 at 12:17  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

I think this letter demonstrates just how in thrall to socialism is the Christian church in England.

20 February 2014 at 13:54  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

‘I was not asked to sign it’—Nick Baines

They couldn’t fit his title on the envelope: ‘Bishop of Leeds for the Diocese of West Yorkshire and the Dales’. As the Church withers, its dioceses grow ever larger.

Talking of withering: ‘The Rt Rev Nick Baines, the Bishop of Bradford, said some parishes in his diocese were 95% Muslim but that this should not be seen as “a problem”.’—Daily Telegraph

20 February 2014 at 13:55  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Mrs Proudie, will your Lordship be signing?

20 February 2014 at 14:01  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

A bit of petty pedantry if you'll forgive, Your Grace. In the first sentence of your post, it should read "...because they were not asked."

20 February 2014 at 14:18  
Blogger non mouse said...

Hmmm. On the aggressive Lancastrian socialist the CoE have put in charge of my home territory (Yorkshire) ...

I guess the Germans must approve of what Your Grace is doing, though. So that's a plus.

Meanwhile, how much tax revenue will continue to go to the euSSR and other foreigners: within and without the UK?

And one can't help wondering how much food we're importing from China now. Especially after the flooding of so much farmland.

20 February 2014 at 14:22  
Blogger radicalj said...

A colleague at CAB said to me this morning that 'thousands of young people' in our area were being thrown out of their homes because families could not afford to feed them. When questioned, he did not actually know whether it was because of food poverty - had simply assumed. (I did not try to unravel 'thousands'.) I asked him about the teenage boys who have sought our help over the years made homeless when Mum's new boyfriend moves in - but he had not considered them. I suggest that the 'evidence' supplied to the bishops will be of the sort recounted to me by my colleague. We need a proper apolitical, neutral investigation into this matter.

20 February 2014 at 15:49  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Two points:

Did we ever come to an agreement on who were the ‘deserving poor’ and who the ’undeserving’…

Secondly. As the CoE turns itself upside down in cartwheels as it runs naked down the path to embrace the latest fashions, a thought has struck. It’s not so long ago when everyone, poor included, paid a tithe to the church. Surely, the time has now come for bishops (not poor) to pay a tithe to the parish benefit surfers (wretchedly poor, apparently, and whose predicament is the cause of many a sleepless night, I can tell you…).

Shall we say 10% of net income chaps ?

You think that idea is…, what was that ?

Good grief – no need for that kind of language my dear lords…





20 February 2014 at 17:45  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

In case there are any bishops here wanting to tell the Inspector go forth...

Gloucester has a rather well off poor. You see, he can’t get any of the English blighters to clean his offices. It if weren’t for the EU crowd emptying the bins, we’d be up to our necks in dust. What does that tell you ?

One is struck by the modern definition of poverty. “To be unable to fill the car with enough petrol to ensure at least one day out in the countryside per week, when everybody else is working”.

20 February 2014 at 18:49  
Blogger Integrity said...

Your Grace,
Am I being mean spirited or un- Christian in the secular sense.
As was said on the previous post, 'The poor we shall always have with us'. Yes, the scriptures talk a lot about the poor a but there is something missing in the rush to be socialistic in the provision of charity.
I believe that it is better to die of hunger but know that ones sins are forgiven since one is going to a better place for eternity.
To die with a full stomach but end up in hell because no one took the time to tell you about the saving grace of Jesus Christ is the worse of the two options.

I would agree with Phil Roberts on the last post that when someone becomes a true Christian, their circumstances seem to improve.

20 February 2014 at 18:49  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Dear Happy Jack, my Lord the Bishop thinks, (and I agree with him) that socialism is the Devil's way of disguising evil in the fleece of a lamb. So no.

20 February 2014 at 18:51  
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20 February 2014 at 20:49  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Blogger Integrity said...

"I believe that it is better to die of hunger but know that ones sins are forgiven since one is going to a better place for eternity.
To die with a full stomach but end up in hell because no one took the time to tell you about the saving grace of Jesus Christ is the worse of the two options." Outstanding!!!

But this would not be the case.

BECAUSE GOD CARES FOR HIS OWN
1 Peter 5; 7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you

1. He knows our names
John 10: 3

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

2. He numbers the hairs of our head
Matt.10: 30
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

3. He counts the steps of our feet
Job 14:16
16 For now thou numberest my steps: dost thou not watch over my sin?

4. He writes down the thoughts of our hearts
Mal.3; 16

16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.

5. He bottles the tears from our eyes
Psalms 56.8
8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?

6. He holds our right hand in his hand
Isa.41;13

13 For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.
Psalms 73: 23Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand.

7. He supplies all our needs

Phil.4;19

19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Blofeld

20 February 2014 at 20:52  
Blogger Nick said...

Around 2000 people in the UK died from hyothermia in 2010/2011. Most of them elderly, who probably couldn't afford the now extortionate fuel bills we have to pay. I doubt many had satellite dishes or even mobile phones (not the sort of thing the elderly are interested in).

20 February 2014 at 20:53  
Blogger John Matthews said...

The welfare bill is something like 2.7% of overall benefits. The government need to make cuts to the benefits for the affluent elderly but all 3 parties are shit scared of doing this because they are more likely to vote!

20 February 2014 at 21:02  
Blogger Nick said...

I meant to add this quote to my post....

"If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."

That's not socialism, just the word of God.

20 February 2014 at 21:09  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Dear Nick, I do believe you are admonishing me...goodness! I have no wish to offend anyone, but am a devotee of Samuel Smiles...self help and all that, though of course the deserving poor need help and compassion

20 February 2014 at 21:15  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

It's one thing capping Housing Benefit and sensible to reduce Child Benefit to the first two children payable to the most needy, but quite another when the Job-centre staff are given targets to hit for the amount of claimants they have to sanction in a week/month. They don't know what to do next to punish the unemployed driving them to the food banks, to steal and skip dive. Instead the government should be spending time enabling the creation of more jobs. In many areas real jobs are rare with more applicants than a company can deal with, there are no real jobs just many scams and zero hrs contract jobs that don't pay enough to stop claiming some sort of government help. Blame Labour for bringing the standard of living down as they killed off enterprise and brought in working/family/ and other tax credits enabling state dependency.

20 February 2014 at 21:39  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Inspector
And who do you think did the cleaning before the foreigners arrived with their cheap labour Hmmmm?? Yes, the British.

20 February 2014 at 21:44  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Marie, Happy Jack often wonders if it is business who benefit from working and family tax credits. And who benefits from high rents that are subsidised by the tax payer too?

And, to Jack's way of thinking, all benefits should be means tested in some way. This culture of 'entitlement', another socialist innovation, is a silly thing. Why would someone like Her Majesty the Queen want a winter heating allowance, a free TV license or a free bus pass - or a state pension, come to that? Yet, she is 'entitled' to all three.

20 February 2014 at 22:15  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Happy Jack said, Why would someone like Her Majesty the Queen want a winter heating allowance, a free TV license or a free bus pass - or a state pension, come to that? Yet, she is 'entitled' to all three.

I can think of a scenario HJ: Her Majesty does bet on ponies, doesn't she? A few bad bets, God forbid....

But seriously, you do want to give out a free TV license. Full cable and free movie channels too. And a daily allowance of take-out food and soda drinks. Better to keep some folks fixed on the tv set, fat behinds drilling a crater into the couch, rather than roaming around outside hungry and bored, causing all sorts of mischief. Ok, seriously for real again, we will have to find ways to keep large numbers of chronically unemployed and unemployable in our shrinking new economies on the dole. Better think of ways that are affordable, that guarantee at least a place to live and food and that keeps them off the streets. My bet is that the threat of losing the government-supplied big screen and the cable plan for misbehavior will work way better than the threat of jail or even the death penalty.

20 February 2014 at 22:39  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Avi, my dear friend, we are talking here mainly about the elderly! (bus passes at 60; winter fuel at 60, with additional benefits at 80; and old age pension soon to be at 67.)

Jack doubts these folk pose much of a threat to social order. This excludes Blowers, of course, who is a miscreant of the first order.

*chuckle*

20 February 2014 at 22:50  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Ah, I see, Jack, I'll have to blame the Inspector for throwing me off with the feckless youth who won't dust his offices. Can't have the elderly...especially of the Mr Blofeld variety... rooting around his desk, standing over his shoulder in an inch of gathering dust with a mug of tea and a donut, providing hours of gratuitous advice as he strives to impose a thin red line of order and decorum on this blog.

20 February 2014 at 22:58  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Thirteen hours have now elapsed since Your Grace’soriginal post giving the score as 27 signatories compared with 74 non-signatories, In that time six new names have appeared on the list, so that—unless a lot of bishops are playing their cards very close to their chests—the score now appears to stand at 33 to 68. That is still an overwhelming majority of “Noes”. I would suggest that the half-dozen new names have made no material difference and that, in consequence, Your Grace’s original conclusions still hold.

20 February 2014 at 23:01  
Blogger Roy said...

Integrity said...

I believe that it is better to die of hunger but know that ones sins are forgiven since one is going to a better place for eternity.
To die with a full stomach but end up in hell because no one took the time to tell you about the saving grace of Jesus Christ is the worse of the two options.


Most sensible people have no desire to die of hunger or to see other people do so. People who are starving need food, not sermons. The Lord's brother, James, realised that.


James chapter 2 v. 15-17

If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

20 February 2014 at 23:03  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Avi, there is a serious problem with youth too. In the 'old days' it was acceptable for lads to go into non-skilled work. There was no shame in sweeping roads, emptying dustbins, being porters, working on factory floors or being bus conductors.

Nowadays, we have to be a 'high skilled economy' with a 'highly educated workforce', and what's prized at school is the academic achiever. It's university before unemployment now.

There was a time when there was pride in work; now its pride in a certain type of work. No wonder our youth stand aside and let the East Europeans, who's heads have not been filled with such guff, take the 'menial' jobs. And the state fund them to do so.

20 February 2014 at 23:11  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Happy Jack 22:15
Of course businesses and landlords benefit, it's crazy.

I agree wealthy pensioners whose income is over a certain level should not have government benefits, neither should those who choose to live abroad.

20 February 2014 at 23:34  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

It's crazy state dependency for both employee and employer.

20 February 2014 at 23:50  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

I referred the single mum of 2 who I visit every week to a food bank. She had no money, and her request for financial help from her estranged boyfriend and the father of her 2 children were met with requests for blow jobs.

She has no money not because of 'the cuts' but because she blew it all on cocaine.

The mum of 3 young children who I have just had to buy school uniform for because theirs is so ill-fitting & filthy is also skint. This is not because of 'the cuts' but because on a number of occasions they have failed to turn up for appointments at the benefits agency and so have had sanctions imposed.

Maybe I should mention the mother who received a food parcel from a local church, and then used the money saved to get another tattoo.

The decisions of these people - and countless more I could recount to you - beggar belief to the average Daily Mail reader, just as they do to me. But these people are to pitied more than derided. Each of them has a sad and frequently tragic set of circumstances. And the reason I help is because in the middle of it all their are innocent victims ... the children.

What really should be derided is the mindset of Bishops who would rather drive these unfortunate people into the loveless arms of the state than seize the opportunity to guide them into the arms of The One who can bring them salvation & restoration.

As for the idea that the church has 'people on the ground' - sadly that's largely a joke. The bishops really should stop believing their own PR based on the stage-managed exhibition visits to worthy projects (I know, I was part of one just the other week) and go do an episode of "undercover boss" to discover the truth. The presence of the church in most of the areas that I minister in is practically non-existent. These estates are spiritual wastelands where the gospel is neither seen or heard, and where most of the Anglican places of worship are boarded up or frequented by a dozen octogenarians. And those agencies that do go in with some 'faith basis' are so frequently unsure, embarrassed or ashamed of their faith that they are virtually indistinguishable from the secular state bodies they replace.

As usual, instead of grasping the opportunity to be the body of Christ, the CofE seems intent on insisting that the state ought to be the agent of salvation.

21 February 2014 at 00:05  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Rebel Saint, a powerful post and Happy Jack agrees with your insights. When offering charity became the responsibility of the state, something was badly damaged in our nation.

21 February 2014 at 00:12  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Jack, it's the attitude people have about work. It's changed within my life time. Just yesterday I was bitching to a friend I hadn't seen in a while about how I'm getting tired of management, branding and marketing design I've been doing for a businessman friend for six months now (was to be a 4 week project!), with very little driving and that I look forward to its completion and can hardly wait to get behind the wheel full time again. That last bit was missed, as it doesn't conform to the standard upward mobility scripts and my friend started congratulating me on my "advancement," saying how he hopes it "works out" and I can get back into the biz. No one wants to believe that someone would voluntarily give up the better money, suits, an office and team lunches for decent working man's wage, work shirts, an 18 wheeler and coffee with the loading dock guys with crates and boxes for lunchroom furniture. It seems that most people now don't like to work with their hands, to get bone tired, sweaty and dirty, to be around machines and regular working folk. That's going to seriously hurt us down the road not only economy-wise, but as a society.

Greetings, Rebel Saint. Good words. Been a long time.

21 February 2014 at 01:56  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Roy

You quote what Christians are to do but the one who gave the promises that He would care for His own said "Do Not Worry "...

31"Do not worry then, saying, 'What will we eat?' or 'What will we drink?' or 'What will we wear for clothing?'
32"For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
33"
But seek FIRST His kingdom and His righteousness, and ALL THESE THINGS will be added to you.
34"So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."

You quote James but Ernst prefers the words of the one honouring the promises made, we are sometimes merely the vessels that bring what He has ordained for others and if we ignore His wishes and not us then another will act. It is He working through us, not visa versa!!!

Blofeld

21 February 2014 at 02:08  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Happy Jack said...

Avi, there is a serious problem with youth too. In the 'old days' it was acceptable for lads to go into non-skilled work. There was no shame in sweeping roads, emptying dustbins, being porters, working on factory floors or being bus conductors (Dear Lad, the shame comes not from the role but the wages being paid..ps, factory jobs are few and far between as we have successfully destroyed our manufacturing base, hence the scarcity).

Nowadays, we have to be a 'high skilled economy'*giggles* with a 'highly educated workforce'*chortles, and what's prized at school is the academic achiever *hue guffaws*. It's university before unemployment now (For that highly pried media degree? There are more young students seeking a degree in photography than there are the number of jobs available in the whole of Europe for that skill!!).

There was a time when there was pride in work (see NHS, Civil Service etc); now its pride in a certain type of work (it's simply a career now and NOT a vocation hence Jocentre plus, when the last thing they help somebody do is get a job, unlike the ole days..mere state snoopers paid to observe and hassle relentlessly the unfortunate of society, whilst they push paper around meaninglessly. Not fit for function but that's how IDS likes it!!). No wonder our youth stand aside and let the East Europeans, who's heads have not been filled with such guff, take the 'menial' jobs (Dear lad, TSK, TSK, the Europeans are economic migrants that come like birds..stay a while, take the slim picks from the land and are off. The indigenous has to deal with the aftermath of the new low wage benchmark after Patryk the plumber and his mate Bartek the builder have gone back to Warsaw, whilst still trying to eek a living in HIS/HER Homeland). And the state fund them to do so (Cobblers!!. The state now ensures this dismembering of the country for the ruthless global needs of the large employers such as Virgin/ SIR Richard Branston and WPP Group/ Sir Martin Sorrell.
You know, those chaps who wanted the Euro and said disaster would befall us unless..?! Oooh how they do love a cheap migrant worker).

Blofeld

ps

How about going back to grammar schools but reforming them.

First two years learning at Grammar grades are the same for all but should some not appear academically minded after assessment, going into years 3-5 introduce vocational classes for these boys and girls that teach subjects such as building construction/auto mechanics (no more European builders and our kids can fix rather than nick cars), registered nursing (no more can't speak de lingo immigrants),fitness trainer or aerobics instructor (that should help with adolescent obesity at the source)etc.
British jobs for British people!!!

See lad, what can be achieved if you have the brains of a reformed super villain but a heart for the young and the Lord.

Blowers.

ps

The NHS has just kindly informed me via my report that old Ernst has a sizeable tumour growing on his thoracic spine hence the terrible pain and why I am now having to take 8 steroids a day..Now wouldn't that have been nice to know when the consultant advised re me osteoarthritis spondylosis...and we used to administer the affairs of empire with a few hundred well meaning souls...What an absolute shower we have in our land now.

21 February 2014 at 02:58  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Extra Sensory @ 2.58

Please accept my Christian sympathies regarding the news of the tumour on your spine. Your faith seems strong. Good. Trust ! My prayers are assured.

21 February 2014 at 08:14  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Rebel Saint @ 00.05

I agree that many C of E clergy, especially Bishops, have a strange fixation seeing the State as the agent of mercy not the Church or citizen led schemes, which are far more flexible and compassionate. It is almost as if they have unconsciously, in their minds, "outsourced" Christian compassion from the voluntary organizations and the Churches to the State via the pages of the Guardian, and the ballot box. It reflects a lack of realism on their part I conjecture. It is in the culture they breathe I think rather than a thought through matter. Perhaps it is easier to urge the State to take responsibility for caring, using other peoples money, than urging and organizing your own organization to revert to perform vigorously its traditional role of supporting the economically needy ? It is all part of a wider societal change towards atomised individuals, far looser family structures, and so called "communities' that are sadly all too often merely groups of persons who happen to be living near one another but have no sense of belonging or commonality at all.
The State is by its nature remote, bureaucratic, rigid and dispassionate. Of course many front line clergy are heavily involved in practical end food banks etc and are far more realistic about the limitations of the state. Like all organizations it is often a mistake to judge all its members and workers by its leaders, many of whom are drawn from a very narrow section of British society, the public schools. I have nothing against private education or public schools but I have found that it is capable of producing a very remote, unrealistic and sheltered mindset.

21 February 2014 at 08:38  
Blogger Simon Sarmiento said...

You might want to spell Baines correctly...

21 February 2014 at 08:50  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Blowers, Happy Jack is saddened by this news from the NHS. He will pray for you and visit the big church to ask Jesus to aid you.

God Bless.

21 February 2014 at 09:24  
Blogger Len said...

Sorry to hear about the tumour Ernst.
I will certainly pray for you.

“The Lord bless you and keep you;
The Lord make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you peace.”’

21 February 2014 at 09:33  
Blogger Roy said...

@ Blowers

Thanks for your comments on my comment regarding the Epistle of James. Your comments are always interesting and thoughtful

Like the others who have already respond to your bad news about your health, I hope the treatment proves successful, and I will add my prayers too.

21 February 2014 at 09:44  
Blogger Roy said...

@ Rebel Saint

Your comments about the problems of some of the recipients of food aid have the ring of truth about them and sound more authoritative than those of the bishops who seem well intentioned but ignorant.

It must be depressing at times trying to help people who contribute so much to their own problems. I don't know if God can get depressed but perhaps He feels the same about me.

Anyway, as you pointed out, the children are innocent and the feckless parents need God's love, including the practical expression of it in the assistance that you are endeavouring to provide.

It is a pity that the bishops don't do as you suggested. It is also a pity that Britain lacks a modern version of General Booth, the founder of the Salvation Army.

21 February 2014 at 09:55  
Blogger Nick said...

Bloeers, I sm sorry to hear that. I do pray you get better treatment from the NHS. I see that your heart is in the right place thiugh and your rrust and peace of mind are rooted in God.

21 February 2014 at 10:00  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Dear dear Mr Blofeld, I am so sorry to read of your news and hope and pray that the Good Lord watches over you and keeps you safe. I shall think of you in my prayers today.

21 February 2014 at 10:27  
Blogger hywel snook said...

In the 80s a nun came to church to start a tradecraft stall. In the 90s in church we did a 24hr fast for the hungry of africa. In the 90s and 00s we campaigned against SAP or austerity measures in the developing world. Now these same issues are in the UK truely scary. See my blog on this http://bit.ly/1bqI8Hx

21 February 2014 at 11:00  
Blogger bluedog said...

That's terrible news, Ernst. All the very best for speedy and effective treatment.

21 February 2014 at 11:04  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Blofeld

I’m sorry to hear your terrible news, Ernsty. And to make matters even worse – if I’ve understood you correctly – an earlier wrong diagnosis has meant they’ve been treating you all this time for something you haven’t got, leaving the tumour free to develop. The heart sinks.

21 February 2014 at 11:22  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

The problem with the idea of taking away child benefit for 3rd 4th 5th 6th children is enormous. Why should later birth children, who already get fewer university places and an iffier start in life, also have yet more hand me downs, poorer food, and yet more chance of finding themselves in care, or pimped out, or own the streets? Those things are what happens when children are not cared for, and it is cheaper to keep them within their own families than to end up paying out for foster care, children's homes, or prison.

Why stigmatise children for their birth order? It is the children who suffer the most.

21 February 2014 at 11:32  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

sorry, "on the streets" of course.

21 February 2014 at 11:33  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

@ ernst

Best wishes and prayers for your recovery. In addition to NHS treatment have a look at laetrile, and a daily decent dose of vitamins C and D. Oranges, fruits, sunshine, prayer, oh, and this blog of course!

21 February 2014 at 11:38  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Dear all

Thank you for your kind concerns, prayers and well wishes.

Old Ernst is cheesed off especially because he has had to fight to get to where he is today with demanding an MRI scan etc.

"and a daily decent dose of vitamins C and D. Oranges, fruits, sunshine, prayer, oh, and this blog of course! " HG blog is the first of ernst five a day!!

" Uncle Brian said...

Blofeld

I’m sorry to hear your terrible news, Ernsty. And to make matters even worse – if I’ve understood you correctly – an earlier wrong diagnosis has meant they’ve been treating you all this time for something you haven’t got, leaving the tumour free to develop. The heart sinks." Indeed, we are surrounded by utter incompetence in all walks of public life that is highly paid yet we are to treat it like a charitable mercy from on high to the great unwashed and undeserving.

I remember when it wasn't so..

God bless you all.. we keep walking towards the glory and the hope of holding His pierced hand and expressing our pathetic excuses at thanks for His great unfathomable love towards us.

21 February 2014 at 11:53  
Blogger David Waters said...

Looking through the signatories to this letter, I noticed that the Anglicans and the Methodists were better repesented than the others (URC and Quakers).

According to whychurch.org.uk, the Anglicans and the Methodists are the fastest declining major denominations in the UK.

Is there a link here? Perhaps the more successful denominations are too busy spreading the gospel to have the time to write letters to the Mirror?

21 February 2014 at 12:00  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

Can we get together an enormous virtual bouquet for Ernst? I will kick off the back row with some virtual large flawless delphiniums, and some silvery blue eucalyptus leaves.

21 February 2014 at 12:03  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Dear Old Ernst,

His Grace is profoundly saddened to hear of your diagnosis: you will be included in his intercessions. Richest blessings upon you and yours: may you know the peace and grace of the Lord as you contend with hardship and endure suffering.

Some of you may remember David B, who is now in the latter stages of bowel cancer. He, too, needs our prayers.

His Grace really must formulate some sort of cyber-anointment for the sick and dying: he isn't quite sure how to download and distribute olive oil.

21 February 2014 at 12:17  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Mr Blofeld, I am so, so sorry old friend. While I will pray and wish for a refuah shlemah for you, a complete recovery...in a strange tongue, entirely according to my customs and whether you want me to or not... I will also count on your inimitable character and extraordinary bloody-mindedness to pull yourself bravely through the treatments ahead so that you may continue with your mission to astonish and bedevil us on this forum for a long time to come.

21 February 2014 at 18:50  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace.

Humbled by your kind support and the well wishes of the communicants on the blog.

E S Blofeld

Avi.

Old Ernsty will try to stick around for as long as possible, to complete the mission to annoy the heck out of old Corrigan.

*Chuckles*

Blowers

21 February 2014 at 22:34  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Blowers, not forgetting the most important mission of *duck hunting*. Now is not the time to put your binoculars and hunting hat down or your shotgun.

"I'm sowwy, fewwas, but I'm a vegetawian. I just hunt for the sport of it. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!"

*chuckle*

21 February 2014 at 23:09  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Cressie is going to send Nurse Scrumptious around to look after you with a newly crisp starched uniform and bags of goodies.

Cressie has been inundated with volunteers... had no idea you were so popular with the young French nurses, wicked Ernstie.

You are in our thoughts and we will all pray for your recovery. Courage mon vieux!

22 February 2014 at 02:11  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Happy Jack said...

"Blowers, not forgetting the most important mission of *duck hunting*. Now is not the time to put your binoculars and hunting hat down or your shotgun." Dear Lad, perish the thought. Old Blowers has a soft spot for the foolish fowl, who unfortunately is his own worst enemy...If only he had the same passion for the Owner rather than the supposed 'company' what a fellow he would be?

What do you say to people who believe they are ordained as a body to forgive sins in place of God Himself...even the self-righteous hypocritical Pharisees knew better than to be so arrogant as to claim the power to forgive someone's sin ... Luke 5:21 "And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying ... Who can forgive sins, but God alone?"

Jesus forgave sins and the Scribes, students of the Law, rightly stated that only God forgives sins. If they were wrong about that, then why didn't Jesus correct them immediately?

Instead, he affirms their claim "Who can forgive sins, but God alone" and states he has the authority to forgive sins then heals the paralytic. It should be clear that only God forgives sins

You will hear it delivered religiously by the RC's like Albert, Corrigan etc with vain semantics but no Biblical proof that Jesus gave such authority to any man (Apostles could only pronounce the sins that "have been" forgiven (aphiami. It is the perfect passive in Koine) by God.)

Romans 10:3,4 proclaims, "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Ernst loves the silly bird but what can one do?

"And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish [Koine Greek, noutheteo] him as a BROTHER."

Blowers

22 February 2014 at 02:38  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Cressida de Nova said...

"Cressie is going to send Nurse Scrumptious around to look after you with a newly crisp starched uniform and bags of goodies. "Huzzah, just in time for me new noshers being delivered on Tuesday
2 pm. It's only taken 10 months!!! Good old NHS.

Cressie has been inundated with volunteers... had no idea you were so popular with the young French nurses, wicked Ernstie (Shhh, my dear. If Mrs B hears stuff like that, she'll put grit in me hemorrhoid cream).

You are in our thoughts and we will all pray for your recovery. Courage mon vieux! (Trust you are taking care of the silly old bird for us. Bonne nuit les amis et ma douce chose Cressie)

Le Blowers

22 February 2014 at 02:58  
Blogger non mouse said...

Dear Mr. Blofeld - I also am very sad to see your news. One's faith in 'health' services is greatly depleted. Still, hope and prayers continue ... may your doctor presently know what he does! Trusting that the pain, and its cause, are now under control.

Best wishes.

22 February 2014 at 03:02  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

non mouse said...

"Dear Mr. Blofeld - I also am very sad to see your news. One's faith in 'health' services is greatly depleted (Ernst cannot believe the utter incompetence that besets us daily from public bodies.
This awful hospital actually killed off my net door neighbour 7 years ago. He went in for a hip replacement etc. Went back a year later for a checkup. They did blood tests and found he had cancer..but when they looked back to his admission tests for the hip replacement and specifically his blood tests taken then, they discovered they missed the results that showed he had it. He could have my been saved if they caught it there and then. This is why I believe in litigation against the NHS.
I know my own organisation I worked for over 20 years career only changed policies when it cost them monies. Ditto callous organisations like NHS. Sad but true!!). Still, hope and prayers continue ... may your doctor presently know what he does (I will watch him like a hawk, the arrogant quack, who said it was all muscle spasms)! Trusting that the pain, and its cause, are now under control (The terrible pain, unfortunately, is due to the large tumour attached to me thoracic spine making a good night's sleep near impossible and NOT the osteoarthritis, more's the pity, hence why the pain killers are not working as they should).

Best wishes." God bless you too and nighty night, me non mouse.

Blowers

22 February 2014 at 03:37  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...


Ernstie you will pleased to know I am keeping an eye on silly ole bird. As expected he does get out of line occasionally .

However, when I threaten to send him to a Russian gulag with Stephen Fry as a cell mate, he comes to his senses immediately:)

22 February 2014 at 03:38  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Cressie

"Ernstie you will pleased to know I am keeping an eye on silly ole bird. *Good girl*
As expected he does get out of line occasionally *Is the pope a catholic? *Chuckles* . "

"However, when I threaten to send him to a Russian gulag with Stephen Fry as a cell mate, he comes to his senses immediately:) " Like a cross or holy water to Dracula!!!

Nighty Night my young lass, going to see if I can get a few hours sleep?? Had a few large Brandies, may not ease the pain much but Ernst feels warm and smashing!!!

Blowers xxx

22 February 2014 at 03:52  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Marie: "I agree wealthy pensioners whose income is over a certain level should not have government benefits, neither should those who choose to live abroad."

Don't include state pensions in that, they're not benefits but investments. F'sure, they're unfunded but there's been a promise there.

22 February 2014 at 08:41  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Blowers, Happy Jack is pleased to hear you will continue your vigilance for fowl intruders and continue entertaining us all with you wordsmithery.

Cressida de Nova, Happy Jack respectfully inquires whether Nurse Scrumptious and her troop of young French assistants ever provide services in the North West? Jack has one or two ailments that would benefit from treatment.

*chuckle*

Of course, my friend Blowers takes top priority.

22 February 2014 at 12:43  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Blowers. One adds his name to the list of regret. Perhaps you might like to type out all the familiar names on this blog and bring them with you to the clinic when you go. We will of course be with you as more than printed names you know.

David B’s situation is much bleaker. One doesn’t quite know what to say to an atheist approaching the end. You see, it has never occurred to this man that the soul does not survive when the body is no longer viable. We are far too much of a splendid creation for that. If only all and sundry could live out their lives with that in mind.





22 February 2014 at 12:56  
Blogger Anthony Joseph said...

Are you really suggesting, John in Cheshire, that having the view that people shouldn't starve is "socialism"?

Jesus wept!

22 February 2014 at 19:55  
Blogger Anthony Joseph said...

"When offering charity became the responsibility of the state, something was badly damaged in our nation."

Er, no. Something is being badly damaged now.

22 February 2014 at 19:59  
Blogger Anthony Joseph said...

This is basically a government that will stoop this low: to starve working class people in order to pay bankers bonuses.

22 February 2014 at 20:07  
Blogger bluedog said...

Anthony Joseph @ 20.07 says, 'This is basically a government that will stoop this low: to starve working class people in order to pay bankers bonuses.'

Intellectual dishonesty or utter incomprehension?

Let's go with the second proposition.

There is no direct causal link between welfare payments to the poor and the size of banker's bonuses or anything else pertaining to bankers.

Indeed, if the working class are working they are not starving either.

Your point?

22 February 2014 at 20:31  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Bluedog

Cutting benefits to make more money available for housing price speculation is beyond making bad decisions but is sadistic and cruel. One in 6 GPs asked to refer a patient to food banks in the last year.

What Cameron fails to mention and is part of his cruel sadistic propaganda is that the debt in Britain has never been higher. He is only increasing the debt.

1st half of the program up to 11:46 mins. Watch it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UrrC-1nNr4

22 February 2014 at 21:35  
Blogger Anthony Joseph said...

This is a system blue dog, that is happy to hand billions of pounds in public money to banks, but not to feed needy British people.

22 February 2014 at 21:47  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Anthony

But .... if the banks had gone under what would have been the impact on ordinary people? No work equals poverty and hunger and despair.

And the best way to see the needy are fed is to give them the ways and means to do this for themselves.

The transition from welfare dependency can be assisted by charitable organisations with projects like 'food banks'. Where's the harm in that?

22 February 2014 at 23:40  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

HJ
The banks were saved with Q1 the gov. they didn't need to go further with Q2 and Q3, and they still have not reformed the banks, just put it off.

23 February 2014 at 03:41  
Blogger Anthony Joseph said...

Jack. It is the obscene bonuses paid to the people who wrecked our economy that irk. Not the "rescue" of banks from their own foolhardiness per se.

The way to give people the means to feed themselves is to give them money, one way or another. Food costs money. Food banks do not feed the hungry, they help them for a few days. Most people came to terms with the fact that charity doesn't work over a hundred years ago.

23 February 2014 at 06:32  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Food banks are essential. Poverty hunger and despair lead to an increase in violent crimes,a no win situation for everyone.

23 February 2014 at 07:38  
Blogger Watchman said...

No surprise at the addition on Pete Broadbent, Member of the Labour Party and former Labour Councillor.

I too have noticed how many of the "poor" despite being "desperate" always/seem to be attired in the latest "gear", have expensive mobile phones, cigarettes at over £8 a pack, Sky, big TV and a bin full of takeaway packaging, but not a book in the house.

The ones in real need ate usually the elderly or those who are loathe or embarrassed to involve themselves with state and council agencies.

The "food banks" seem to be going down the road of so many fake "charities" of exaggerating a problem to keep themselves in the/limelight.

Apart from the relatively few genuine people!le in need, what this exposes is the moral poverty of so many people who have been weaned on a diet of dependency and institutionalised fecklessness, by the utterly and irredeemably morally bankrupt Left who, like Hamas, feed people lies, bribe them with a few crusts and use people as human shields and cannon fodder for their "revolution".

Keep exposing these hypocrites Your Grace who still try and promote Jesus as some sort of socialist revolutionary.

23 February 2014 at 10:14  
Blogger Watchman said...

Rebel Saint and Avi Barziel, voices of common sense in a Statist, unthinking, patronising, leftist moral nuclear wasteland that passes for thought in these comments. They are the problem and the cause, and far from being the "solution", are knowingly keeping the pot boiling while they huff and puff about "bankers", "inequality" and the usual junk, just as Hamas do keeping their people as perpetual "victims". Solve the problems and they're out of a job.

23 February 2014 at 10:30  
Blogger Watchman said...

Mr Blofeld, Sorry to read of your problems. Cut down drastically on glocose producing carbs theory feed a tumour. Increase fat intake as fuel (real butter, cheese, meat", low fat diets/are bad news.

Get hold of some DMSO pharmaceutical grade, online, also eat a few bitter apricot kernals daily for their amygdalin content, also apple pips, cherry and peach stones. You can get the BITTER apricot kernels on Amazon.

There are some who will poo-pooh this. You have nothing to lose trying it out.

Oh yes and previous advice about Vitamins. 1000mg Vitamin C, high dose of D3 and also B12

23 February 2014 at 10:40  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Anthony J, Happy Jack disagrees: "Most people came to terms with the fact that charity doesn't work over a hundred years ago."

Jack is no expert in social history but he believes there should be a small state and a large community. In what way does Christian charity not work?

23 February 2014 at 11:39  
Blogger bluedog said...

Anthony @ 21.47 said, 'This is a system blue dog, that is happy to hand billions of pounds in public money to banks, but not to feed needy British people.'

We clearly face a massive gap in perceptions, or to put it another way, different versions of reality.

The banks respond to an economy that is in the first instance dependent on settings defined by the government. In addition, the banks provide the short-term finance for the government, it's a symbiotic relationship. Prior to 1996, the Banking regulatory system was well-defined and had evolved to reflect lessons learned from the Secondary Banking Crash 1973-77. Gordon Brown had a chip on his shoulder about the power of the Bank of England and decided to create a new and independent regulatory entity the Financial Services Authority. Labour was even more interventionist than this and the British government bought a failing building society that was converted into a bank. You may recall the name Northern Rock, which operated in NE England, where Tony Blair's parliamentary constituency was based.

Common sense will tell you that a bank should not lend more money against any asset than that asset is worth. Whipped on by its political master, Northern Rock started to expand its business and offered housing loans at 105% of valuation. This had the effect of stimulating a recovery in the depressed north-east housing market, no bad thing for Tony Blair. However the quality of the NR loan book was shocking.

Meanwhile in Scotland the independence movement was gathering momentum, and there are suggestions that Gordon Brown had some very unusual discussions with the aggressive leadership of Royal Bank of Scotland about the post independence financial landscape in Scotland. It also seems that Gordon Brown allowed RBOS to take some very risky takeovers at the peak of the financial bull market, just before the Lehmann Bros crash in the summer of 2008. At this point the British economy was floating on a sea of borrowed money and bore a closer relationship to a hedge-fund than to a leading global economy. But that was the intention, the patina of wealth would ensure re-election of Labour in 2010.

Once the tide went out following the Lehmann collapse, credit evaporated and asset values started to collapse globally. Importantly, structured financial products of staggering complexity to which ratings agencies had granted very generous ratings, proved to be worthless. Most banks in Europe and North America became insolvent.

Time for some role play. You are the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Governor of the Bank of England comes to you with the news that the FSA has totally failed in its supervisory role; Northern Rock, government owned, is bankrupt, RBOS is on the brink of collapse and so is the other Scottish bank, HBOS.

Demonstrate your grip on reality by outlining the measures that the Chancellor should take in order to avoid a total implosion of the British economy that would leave the Great Depression looking like a minor shakeout. Remember too that in the Great Depression, not a single bank failed in the whole British Empire.

Looking forward to your reply.

23 February 2014 at 11:39  
Blogger bluedog said...

Marie @ 21.35 says, 'Cutting benefits to make more money available for housing price speculation is beyond making bad decisions but is sadistic and cruel.'

A complete misrepresentation of what the government is doing and I'm no fan of Cameron and Osborne. However, their economic policy is exactly right and the UK is economy is showing some of the best growth in the OECD and certainly the best growth in the EU. Yes the debt is horrific but the economy only grows when the supply of money in the economy is growing, hence Q1,2,3. Over in the European Central Bank, prior to the appointment of Mario Draghi, the previous incumbent allowed Eurozone monetary aggregates to contract, leading to the disasters in the Latin bloc. Note too that the German economy is now shrinking.

To suggest that by cutting benefits the government is making more money to the housing sector is simply completely wrong. We don't have a centrally planned economy. If you are worried about government debt and if the government is paying benefits with borrowed money, you should applaud any attempt to stop that practice.

23 February 2014 at 11:52  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Bluedog I disagree. The economy's growth now is from the housing bubble forming. There has been NO increase in actual productivity output, there has only been wealth redistribution. Cameron on the BBC has rejected the fear of a housing bubble, but the average house price has increased to over £250k now in the UK up by 12% . This is fuelling a debt crisis but he doesn't give a damn.

Where do you think the money for this Help to Buy Ponzi scheme is coming from?

Cameron is only concerned with re-election, and he'll do anything to achieve it even if it includes throwing disabled people out of their homes because they have a 'spare' room, (that is really sadistic and un Christian) or creating poverty.

Inflation figures are being miscalculated to show it as under 2% when it really is far higher @ 8% (note the content of everyday groceries getting smaller and of inferior quality)
and wages haven't increased much at all for many years. There are no decent jobs to lift people up because there is little productivity - most jobs are in the zero hours service industry and other non productive sectors with middle men companies who's services cream off those few who actually DO produce something. But even these are fiercely competed for because we have more people than available jobs and are letting in ever more people.

The government have neglected the environment by not spending any money on maintenance of the land and rivers in order to keep food production and small industries going and growing Cameron and Osbourne are only interested in the financial sector have not yet introduced proper regulation there because they know it will curb a lot of the fraud going on and they don't want to do that. London is the least regulated of the financial markets.

According to Max Keiser David Cameron is a troll – someone with a sadistic and cruel mindset – and this is proven true with what he is doing now with outrageous sanctions and delays on benefits, how can this be giving hope to the unemployed???
He seems to be betting on the housing bubble trickling down to the rest of the country but how? People need a very good job to be able to afford a house but the average wage is £26k You do the figures Bluedog.
Cameron is trying to cure a debt problem with increasing more debt and it doesn't work, but what's most insulting is he thinks the
public are stupid.

23 February 2014 at 19:33  
Blogger bluedog said...

You make some very good points, Marie, and there's seems little doubt that inflation is understated. When debt as a percentage of GDP is as high as it is there is no chance of repaying it, the government has to inflate the debt away.

You say,'Cameron and Osbourne are only interested in the financial sector'. That's because the City generates 10% of GDP and, I think, a higher percentage of tax receipts. Pump priming in the financial sector is the easiest way to grow the service based UK economy and increase government revenues. As the Conservatives have only been in power since 2010, they can't reasonably be blamed for the structure of the British economy. Margaret Thatcher did a good job in breaking the power of the unions, but she went too far in her demolition of other industry structures, for example in brewing, now largely foreign owned. Too many of the old staple industries have been sold off by the City and the UK has lost the right to manage its own businesses and decide where to invest. Hence my comment above about the British economy being like a hedge fund. But again, whatever Cameron's personality faults, that's the situation he inherited.

The critical point at this stage of the recovery is to avoid withdrawing the stimulus too quickly. Doing so risks destroying the good work done to date. Thus debt may continue to increase, but at a lower rate. A global rise in interest rates could catastrophic for the UK, but seems extremely unlikely.

In the view of this communicant it is essential not to lose sight of the damage done by Blair. He now says, mea culpa, 'We got immigration wrong'. Utter lies, he achieved exactly what he set out to do; lower wage costs and destroy the natural suspicions of the British people by flooding the country with Muslims and other third worlders.

How to unscramble that omelette?

23 February 2014 at 20:12  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Bluedog

“Avoid withdrawing the stimulus too quickly.” You mean stop printing money (which pays for the Ponzi scheme Help to Buy.)

There is no way the debt will be inflated away as it's too high and increasing which Cameron fails to inform us. That is a very destructive, investors are not going to buy bonds because they know they will be worthless when the hyper inflation kicks in. Printing money and other forms of inflation does NOT WORK, increasing the debt with Housing Ponzi schemes DOES NOT WORK.

Wealth creation meaning productivity in UK is down, Big employers don't want to pay a decent wages. Increasing productivity does work. It's slow and hard slog to grow other industry sectors from scratch. British companies need to be supported by giving them orders. Having faith in new British inventions and selling them to a wider audience than just the EU is required.

This government could have made headway in correcting the damage done by Bliar but instead they carry on more or less the same. Cameron and Osbourne are spineless incompetents or as corrupt as the last lot.

23 February 2014 at 22:42  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

This song by The Who springs to mind. Great British band.

"Won't Get Fooled Again"

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?

There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss



23 February 2014 at 23:05  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Marie 1797, you have surprised Happy Jack being a fan of the Who. Jack likes their album 'Tommy' best.

Can Jack enquire why you have the year 1797 as part of your name?

Jack notes that in January 1797 London hat maker John Hetherington wore a silk top hat in public and attracted such a large crowd of onlookers he was fined £500 for causing a public nuisance.

24 February 2014 at 00:02  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

I like The Who.


"Tommy" is good but a bit sad I find.

1797, well it's just easy to remember.

24 February 2014 at 00:40  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

Ernsty,

I am sorry to hear of your heath problems, you are in all of our thoughts. As is David B.

24 February 2014 at 10:45  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

@Bluedog/Marie,

Good points, but also remember the rebates from the PPI farce has led to the injection of £19 billion into the economy- which people are duly spending- and therefore providing some form of 'growth' to the economy. In my humble opinion,this is what they should have done with QE, i.e. the 'helicopter strategy', rather than using it to prop up insolvent banks, giving hedge funds free lunches and paying the government's -increasing and not decreasing- debt pile (or using it to fund proper building projects such as nuclear power,rather than giving it to the French). Not that I should complain as I've done well out of selling my Gilt pile over the past couple of years...

Oh and has been pointed out the biggest drains on welfare are pensions. Albeit, as Danjo noted as a technicality they are supposed to be via a state funded insurance scheme, but one which was never run as a non-state fund would be; in fact I think ALL of the welfare budget was supposed to be paid for by NI contributions, but it just became another de facto tax, rather than a proper insurance scheme or investment fund.

Also, to my mind it is a disgrace that we have 'food banks' (which are run by a private charity?) at all in what is supposed to be a 1st world country. But I can see there are other threads on this, so I'll not say and more on this thread about that topic.

24 February 2014 at 10:49  

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