Friday, March 28, 2014

Baroness Warsi's sharia priorities


On 25th March, Government Minister for Faith and Communities Baroness Warsi chaired the inaugural meeting of the Foreign Office group on Freedom of Religion or Belief, "to discuss vision and strategy". Commenting on the first meeting of the new group, the Baroness said:
Freedom of religion or belief is a personal priority for me. Across the world, people are being singled out and hounded out simply for the faith they follow or the beliefs they hold. The persecution of people because of their faith or belief has, I believe, become a global crisis. I want to make sure we have the best advice available. This is why we have set up this new Advisory Group, made up of real experts in the field, and of those who are working every day in practical ways to defend the right to freedom of religion or belief. I look forward to working with them as we seek to move towards a world where no-one is persecuted for what they believe.
And she tweeted:


You will see that she found it "Thought provoking".

The following day, on 26th March, Government Minister for Faith and Communities Baroness Warsi chaired the inaugural meeting of the Global Islamic Finance and Investment Group, "to help Islamic finance grow globally, as well as developing London as one of the world’s leading Islamic finance centres". The Baroness said:
We expect the global market for Islamic financial services to experience significant growth over the coming years, but feedback from decision makers in the Middle East and South East Asia suggests there is a lack of awareness of the UK industry and that we should be doing more to promote the sector. There are also major opportunities to attract investment into the UK as demand for Islamic finance increases from private investors and Sovereign Wealth Funds.
And she tweeted:


And tweeted:


And tweeted:


And tweeted:



The Baroness re-tweeted the hope that "in 20 years we will look back at today's GIFIG as a major tipping point inshallah". She was palpably excited about "Huge opportunities for growth in #Islamicfinance asset management and the insurance sector", and "Identifying ways of bringing together public+private sectors to develop a mature #Islamicfinance market". She felt "we must find commonality between ethical finance and #Islamicfinance", and thought David Cameron's speech "was a huge boost to the future of #Islamicfinance". But the challenge remains: "How do you communicate #Islamicfinance to a global audience?" Because "Global industry looking to the #UK as a standard setter in #islamicfinance" so "@bankofengland the race is on! Will South Africa beat the UK in issuing a #Sukuk first?"

That's clearly a very important question. 

You see, "@bankofengland have determined that the Islamic Development Bank's Sukuk could be accepted as eligible re. Liquidity"; "The UK's planned issue of a Sukuk will be immensely helpful re. Liquidity #islamicfinance". Importantly, "This month the @bankofengland + the PRA, has published a consultation paper consistent w/ Basel Committee re. Liquidity". But we can be happy that "#UK the only major #EU jurisdiction to have authorised wholly or standalone sharia compliant banks", and the Baroness was clearly happy that "Many are here today".

But the challenges are profound: "What are the key regulatory challenges for #Islamicfinance institutions and how can we jointly overcome them?" You see, there are "Major opportunity for #Islamicfinance markets to join up with #UN principles of responsible investing", so thank Allah that we're "Discussing how world finance centres can work together more closely to develop global #Islamicfinance market", because "#Islamicfinance is part of a wider movement; a new more responsible, more inclusive capitalism". Apparently, this is "#thoughtleadership".

His Grace can't help feeling that if Baroness Warsi exuded as much fervour and zeal about the persecution of Christians throughout the Middle East as she manages to conjure for sharia finance, HM Government might just begin to identify ways of alleviating the suffering, trauma and bloodshed that is occurring, as the Baroness observed last year, "on a biblical scale". It is utterly unacceptable that the only statement issued following the meeting of the Foreign Office group on Freedom of Religion or Belief was "Thought provoking". What are they going to do? When are they going to do it? How will foreign policy be geared toward the objective? 

It is good that we have this group, but its brief is vast, abstruse and discursive. There may very well be a pressing problem for Bahá'ís in Iran or the Serers in Senegal, and their suffering is no doubt profound. But until the Government establishes a group dedicated solely to the appalling plight of Christians across the Middle East, and acknowledges that this is invariably being meted out by Muslims, there is no hope of evangelic deliverance appearing anything like a political priority.

And so the Baroness's Twitter feed becomes a metaphor for her real priorities: the pursuit of religious liberty is worth a photo-tweet and is "thought provoking"; sharia finance is worth a photo-tweet and a stream of tweets, with identifiable plans, opportunities, determination, tipping points, communications and a prime-ministerial speech. This, apparently, is #thoughtleadership, and in that Foreign-Office realm of faith, the suffering God is subject to Mohammed's Mammon.  

54 Comments:

Blogger David Hussell said...

Your Grace, you ask,

"What are they going to do?"

How sensible of you.

But since Blair, governments are not so much about doing anything in particular, but merely about giving the impression of doing things. Post-Blair government has become about photo-opportunities, spin and giving impression. It is not about long thinking and planning; it is not about taking decisive actions and it is certainly not about taking responsibility for anything. But they will take credit when things unexpectedly go well, often through good fortune.

Why is this ? The Mother of Parliaments is now but a shadow of its former self. Laws and regulations pour in from Brussels. Policy is often formed there as well. Opinions and attitudes are certainly shaped there. At least an entire generation has known nothing else. Many of them rather like, not doing anything much, except talk. Indeed, they would be terrified of having to think things out for themselves from first principles, of having to do their own long term thinking and planning, and most of all they would be terrified of having "to do" anything decisive about huge moral issues like the threatened substantial destruction of Christian populations in a broad swathe of the Middle East.

That is why the whole British political establishment, which includes most of the left/liberal press and media, especially the BBC, are so desperate to maintain this cosy statures quo, of doing next to nothing, of importance. British politicians, by signing away their powers, have made themselves into ornaments and tinkerers at the edges of any important problem, they are political pygmies compared to their forebears, and that is why they do not do very much at all.

So the talking, the tweeting and the photo-opportunities will continue until we restore proper, representative, responsible government to this country, and when hopefully, people of realism, character and possessing a modicum of Christian formed morality will return to Westminster. Until then Your Grace, no one, not the politicians anyway, will do anything much about this question or the other important ones.

28 March 2014 at 08:39  
Blogger Mark Williams said...

No mention of Jizyah then? Isn't that a fundamental part of Islamic finance

28 March 2014 at 09:25  
Blogger Steve Buckley said...

# I don't really # have a @ clue how people communicate# with each other anymore@# - I'm terri#@bly confuse#d@ by it all.

I'm off down the Strand to buy a new pencil.

28 March 2014 at 09:37  
Blogger Roy said...

David Hussell said...

The Mother of Parliaments is now but a shadow of its former self. Laws and regulations pour in from Brussels. Policy is often formed there as well.

Yes but our MPs have got their priorities right and they have ensured that there has been no reduction in their salaries to match their diminished responsibilities. They still pay themselves as if they had the British Empire to run.

28 March 2014 at 09:59  
Blogger Len said...

There is a saying "whoever pays the Piper calls the tune" and the music seems to have taken a definite Islamic tone...

'Freedom of religion' is a politically correct position to take as long as this does not allow free expression of biblical Christianity!..
Why not Biblical Christianity?.
Because Biblical Christianity is the only God ordained source of salvation..It really is as simple as that.
The biggest repressive anti Christian forces are Islam and Atheists.(possibly in that order?)

Since the banking industry(as are many others) seems to be motivated mostly by greed expect a lot of 'bowing and scraping' to the new money arriving on our shores...









28 March 2014 at 10:32  
Blogger Ars Hendrik said...

The intention is clear enough from Warsi's excitement levels:

Apathetic
Helping those persecuted unto death for their faith (or Christians in Muslim controlled countries, as they are also known) – Solution: set up a meeting and claim to have made real progress whilst actually doing f-all except pass around a plate of taxpayer-funded biscuits.

Orgasmic overdrive
Contrive the Western financial markets to sucker in as much Arab money as possible whilst not irritating the sensitive, interest-adverse practitioners of the religion of peace – Solution: balls out, kick-ass top gear foot to the floor effort.

On the subject – can anyone explain to me exactly what the difference is between the Sukuk and a bond, other than the fee paid for the loan of money in a bond is called 'interest' and the fee paid for the loan of money in a Sukuk is called 'rent' (apparently, the Sukuk 'rent' rate is often benchmarked to an interest rate like LIBOR). Doesn't it all simply come down to charging money for loaning money, never mind how it is dressed up?

28 March 2014 at 10:49  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

"Political Islam" and a duel to decide who sets the rules: the Muslim Brotherhood or the House of Saud. No shortage of information in this unusually detailed analysis on the FT website:

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/8a965110-b4c0-11e3-af92-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2xG8oWfrQ

28 March 2014 at 12:37  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Warsi desires ‘a world where no-one is persecuted for what they believe.’ However, she also desires ‘the right to freedom of religion or belief’, which is interpreted by Islam as the right to eradicate all other religions. She will know perfectly well that her argument is predicated on a lie but, then, our diverse, multicultural society is built on lies and it seems we can always find room for one more.

28 March 2014 at 13:07  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Ars Hendrik

Doesn't it all simply come down to charging money for loaning money, never mind how it is dressed up?

Years ago I read something about the sin of usury in the medieval Church. From memory (not guaranteed 100 percent accurate) what it boiled down was this. To lend money for interest is always, without exception, to commit the sin of usury — any money, any interest. So (in today’s terms) the OAP who manages to save 50 p a week and puts it in her savings account at Barclays is committing the sin of usury by putting her merciless squeeze on the poor oppressed downtrodden friendless starving bankers. But there were some dissidents within the Church who saw what was wrong with this approach and wanted to make it possible to conduct a business without committing the sin of usury, so they came up with an alternative mechanism, which, as you say, had as much to do with the dressing-up — the new terminology they devised to explain how it worked — as with the mechanism itself.

28 March 2014 at 13:12  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Goodness! I do think the Baroness needs to cut out the condensed milk from her Earl Grey: its not just the sands of time or the desert that are shifting south...

28 March 2014 at 13:44  
Blogger James said...

It is utterly unacceptable that the only statement issued following the meeting of the Foreign Office group on Freedom of Religion or Belief was "Thought provoking".

You evidently know absolutely nothing about working with the FCO...

28 March 2014 at 13:50  
Blogger Ars Hendrik said...

Thanks Uncle Brian - I thought it was just window dressing.

Mrs Proudie, what do you mean? Are you suggesting that the noble baroness has become broad in the beams, as the saying goes? It could just be the unflattering nature of the swathes of clothing that she is required to wear - not exactly slimming, as Nigella found out on her hols.

28 March 2014 at 14:04  
Blogger IanCad said...

I wonder YG, if the good Baroness will show as much concern for the plight of Sawan Masih (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26781731) as for the pockets of those wealthy Muslims whose sensitivities must be catered to at all costs.
Can't let a beheading or two stand in the way of inter-faith dialogue, can we now?

28 March 2014 at 14:24  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

IanCad

Surely not, Ian. That would be imperialistic neo-colonialist interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign independent country. It would be going back to the bad old days of Disraeli and his quip about the crown jewels.

28 March 2014 at 14:49  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Dear Ars, one is currently on Calorie-watch in readiness for bathing at Broadstairs

28 March 2014 at 15:07  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Just another step along the way.

In today’s increasingly interconnected world, where fast flow of information and human migration has transformed socio-cultural boundaries, religious intolerance and incitement is a recipe for disaster. Combating religious discrimination and intolerance, therefore, remains a formidable challenge of our times. If not addressed squarely, such intolerance will have serious repercussions for the unity, stability and coherence of our societies. Its long term impact on the multi-cultural fabric of current international order as well as regional and international peace and security are even more problematic.

http://www.oic-oci.org/oicv2/topic/?t_id=8945&t_ref=3590&lan=en

So far so good then.

28 March 2014 at 16:14  
Blogger Integrity said...

Your Grace,
The ever progressing march of all that is not of Jehovah can, if one lets it, be rather depressing.
With tomorrow being the first day of same sex marriages I have been asking God, what's going On?
I contacted most of the MP's who voted against the SSM bill and a few replied, Bless them.
It is when I praise God for his Majesty and Greatness, then my heart is lifted.
We all have different preferences for worship music and I like a lot of different styles. As long as God is lifted up then it's ok with me. A current music song that is particularly uplifting is;
10,000 Reasons (Bless the Lord)Matt Redman. It can be heard on YouTube and gives one good reasons to bless His Name.

28 March 2014 at 17:42  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

They're selling the nation for a bit of money for the City. Happy Jack says a pox on them all.

28 March 2014 at 17:57  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Seems her remit is too great. Do we really need her working as ‘Minister for Islamic Economic Interests’ maximising the financial opportunities available to those who adhere to an alien, and in this man’s opinion, vile belief system that inherently persecutes their neighbours whenever they get the chance ?

One hopes this diversion will not prevent memsahib from saying anything about the state persecution of Christian registrars in this country who want nothing to do with the latest affront to the senses. How can she keep quiet over this intolerance of religious belief at home when it is in her power to put a stop to it ?

28 March 2014 at 18:02  
Blogger Nick said...

Mrs Proudie @13:44

Condensed milk with Earl Grey tea, and not a hobnob in sight?

How dreadfully un-British!

28 March 2014 at 19:22  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Fie, Mrs Proudie, what shocking concoction is that? Earl Grey with milk? And not any milk but condensed milk? What's next, cream in milk and then maybe a twirl with a cinnamon stick? Ugh! Perish such barbaric thoughts.

28 March 2014 at 19:29  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

His Grace said: It is utterly unacceptable that the only statement issued following the meeting of the Foreign Office group on Freedom of Religion or Belief was "Thought provoking".

It's about little steps and small victories, YG, better than saying the usual, "interesting."

28 March 2014 at 19:36  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

One hopes this diversion will not prevent memsahib from saying anything about the state persecution of Christian registrars in this country who want nothing to do with the latest affront to the senses. (The Inspector

O, for Heven's sake, Inspector, how tiring. Must you always get in the way of the dynamics, of progress, of a little bit of fun?

As Baroness Warsi tweeted, "@bankofengland the race is on! Will South Africa beat the UK in issuing a #Sukuk first?"

Chin up there, old man, don't be a curmudgeon and let's see you wave that Union flag from the bleachers, shouting with a mighty voice, "SUKUK FOR BRITANIA FIRST!!!"

28 March 2014 at 19:56  
Blogger skeetstar said...

Britannia

28 March 2014 at 20:35  
Blogger 45minutewarning said...

If Cranmer will forgive me for going off-topic for a moment, there is a very good article on the DT's website by Brian Sewel in which he expresses his disapproval of SSM and offers an intelligent and genuine defence of religious freedom for Christians in the UK. Well worth a read I think

28 March 2014 at 20:46  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Right. Thanks. Autocorrect switched to Britania for me, a girls's name. Reconfigured. Oh, both girls' and girls's are apparently still acceptable.

28 March 2014 at 20:47  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Ah, there you are Avi. Unable to give Cranmer ones full attention tonight as been too busy massacring the local cats. TB scare, don’t you know. Still, time to put away the bloodied shovel for now, and leave some for tomorrow, what !

Pip Pip, that man.

28 March 2014 at 21:50  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Ah, volunteerism still lives. Explains why my cat arched her back and hissed at your Avatar inspector. I'll be showing it her to shoo her off the coffee table from now on. Keep up the good work and don't forget it's puppies next! A good weekend. Don't forget to shout "sukuk for Britannia first...inshallah!" with your mates at the Mouse and Wheel.

28 March 2014 at 21:57  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Inspector

Massacring the cats can bring the risk of a plague of rats. We don't want the Black Death all over again, do we?

28 March 2014 at 22:44  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Brian, your average mog would soil its fur and its owners carpet at the thought of taking on a rat. That’s a dogs speciality. Various breeds of terrier on hand, specially bred for the job, you see. Truly, those four legged lads are indeed man’s best friend. Of course, they are honest things and not duplicitous, so the ladies aren’t too impressed...

28 March 2014 at 23:16  
Blogger Len said...

My cats are expert ratters(you just wouldn`t believe the size rat a small cat can drag home)

28 March 2014 at 23:33  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Ars Hendrik (10:49)—Looking to see what my copy of Reliance of the Traveller, a statement of Islamic law, has to say about interest, I found this in the ‘Notes and Appendices’ section:

‘w43.1 A formal legal opinion (fatwa) given by the mufti of Dar al-Ulum and his assistant in Deoband, India, states that dealing in interest is permissible between Muslims and non-Muslims in enemy lands (dar al-harb), meaning areas in which the rules of Islam do not exist, such countries not holding its validity or believing in it. This fatwa states that it is permissible for a Muslim to both take interest (riba) and give it, and claims that India is an enemy land (dar al-harb), so there is no objection to dealing in interest there, and it lastly permits Muslims to put their money in the banks of non-Muslims and take interest from them, and likewise permits them to loan the state money for interest. That is a summary of the contents of the fatwa. It bases the permissibility of dealing in interest (riba) with non-Muslims in enemy lands (dar al-harb) on the opinion of Imams Abu Hanifa and Muhammad ibn Hasan Shaybani, the colleague of Abu Hanifa (Allah Most High have mercy on them). Without a doubt, this is what the two Imams have explicitly stated, and is the position of the Hanafi school, as conveyed in both its main texts and their commentaries.’

The fatwa is derived from the words of the Prophet: ‘There is no usury between the Muslim and the hostile non-Muslim in enemy lands.’

If I read it correctly, as Britain is an enemy land, Muslims living here would only be governed by the rules of Islamic finance if they were dealing with a bank or other such institution wholly owned (and perhaps wholly staffed) by Muslims. Warsi will be pushing Islamic finance as another ratchet in Britain’s Islamization.

28 March 2014 at 23:45  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Inspector, Happy Jacks asks if you're not fond of cats? May he ask why?

Len said...
"My cats are expert ratters(you just wouldn`t believe the size rat a small cat can drag home)"

No, that's bad Happy Jack. You must not think such a thing and you can't possibly say it.

*chuckle*

29 March 2014 at 00:18  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

She shouldn't be allowed to push muslim finance in Britian. She needs to go.

29 March 2014 at 02:15  
Blogger Ivan said...


Sukuk and similar Islamic financials are already in operation in Malaysia, where an increasing number of Arabs turned to party, when the going got rough in the West after 9/11. This is all about getting misguided Arabs to park their funds in London to get creamed by the bankers, a long honoured practice since the days of the petrodollar.

Since Islamic finance has as one of its core principles, the concept of risk-sharing, in practice what usually happens is that the Muslim saver loose big, unlike that in other banks where the debtor is the first one made to get the haircut. Some decades ago, the Islamic banking institutions in Malaysia were the only outfits willing to lend to Chinese businessmen with risky propositions. This was well reflected in their perpetually red balance sheets.

As I mentioned before, the Muslims are easy marks when it comes to parting with their money in the name of religion. Fellow feeling, of itself should stop us from exploiting them in this way.

Who put Warsi in charge of Religious Affairs? Why its the same Cameron, the great white hope of the Tories. The one who rammed through homosexual marriage, since it is the Conservative thing to do, which would have come as a great shock to the worthy gentlemen pictured on the right.

29 March 2014 at 05:00  
Blogger Len said...

Cameron is going to have to do a fine balancing act if he hopes to attract Muslim money..
First he [Cameron] needs to explain why he pushed through HIS gay rights legislation when he had no mandate to do so...
Should Muslims be putting their money into the hands of such an infidel?.

Has Baroness Warsi thought this through?.

29 March 2014 at 08:24  
Blogger Holy Things said...

Well observed, Your Grace, and I delighted at your return to form.

29 March 2014 at 09:12  
Blogger bluedog said...

One thing is certain, Len @ 08.24, the noble Baroness will not be tweeting the Mujahideen with a reminder that it's not too late to marry each other today in the mosque.

29 March 2014 at 09:34  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

When one spent time out in Malaya (one's husband was then Anglican Bishop of the Malacca Straights) it was the custom to serve condensed milk with tea. I never got used to it. I like my Earl Grey with lemon, naturally.

29 March 2014 at 15:00  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

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29 March 2014 at 15:05  
Blogger Integrity said...

Has anyone got a bucket? I am about to be sick after reading and seeing photos on MSN about those so called marriages today.
Seeing men kissing turns my stomach.
I will really have to pray for an understanding of God's purposes in this age. God relented on destroying Sodom if just one righteous person was found in the city. Does that mean we have hope for the salvation of our land?

29 March 2014 at 17:25  
Blogger Len said...

I was watching TV earlier and' gay marriage' was being discussed.
There was a lady in ordinary attire and a vicar wearing a dark suit and a 'dog collar' .I thought we are going to get the Christian view put forward here,then to my dismay it was the vicar who was promoting gay marriage and the lady was defending Christian morality..
What is happening to our Society what on Earth has happened in the Church?.
I can see some pretty awful prospects laying ahead , there will be the Catholic faithful clinging to the remnants of their Church ,the Church of England selling out to the Humanists and the only religion which will not be dominated by humanists will be Islam..
There are going to be some very hard decisions to be made by anyone trying to make any sort of moral stand against the 'Tsunami' of Humanism which threatening to sweep all before it..


29 March 2014 at 18:55  
Blogger Len said...

I put forward a theory.
The Christian church in the West is folding under a sustained attack by Humanists..
Islam is the only religion to have the balls to make a stand against humanism..(I am by no means promoting Islam)
Islam recognizes Jesus Christ and strangely enough' Mary' as well.Islam recognizes Jesus Christ as 'a prophet' but not as the Son of God and denies that Jesus was
crucified.
So there is some sort of 'common ground'(not a lot but enough perhaps to make some sort of shaky 'compromise?.')

Chrislam. Christianity/ Islam

Could this be the last days ecumenical nightmare forced upon the world by aggressive humanists?.

29 March 2014 at 19:34  
Blogger Nick said...

Len

Yes, we are seeing a sickening spectacle of sycophancy towards the gay lobby. But do you really think that everyone believes in it? Do you think that without pressure from the gay lobby, they would have come up with ideas like gay "marriage"?

I don't think so. I think what we are seeing is brainwashing on a global scale. The problem with brainwashing is that if the victim dares to even think outside the box, they become afraid.

Poliitical correctness has spread across the West like the plague. It has no reasoned arguments, it just relies on an individual's spiritual weakness to establish itself. It's a kind of metaphysical parasite.

29 March 2014 at 19:55  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mrs Proudie @ 15.00, this communicant notes from an earlier post, 09.20 on 26/3, that you seem afraid of the prospect of being murdered in bed by the Mohammedans. It seems necessary to point out that the late Princess Diana frequently found herself in bed with Mahommedans and the experience was apparently entirely satisfactory. Has one misunderstood the point you were making?

29 March 2014 at 20:55  
Blogger richardhj said...

Len 18:55. Same on Radio Manchester yesterday. A vicar lamenting how awful it was that he couldn't marry gays in his church whilst a scientist spoke against.
Whilst I could say that the BBC was being surprisingly even handed, it is of course now ".too late" so there is no danger for them in being less biased.

29 March 2014 at 22:11  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

I am not here to rub salt into the wounds. This is a sad day for the Church of England. Communicants will have to face up to the fact that the whole exercise of Anglicanism has been a charade from the beginning. I know Russians who had to go through a similar experience when faced with the revelations about Stalin. It is a painful experience but in the end it is better to know the truth.

I am very sorry that your Anglican leaders have all let you down so badly and made a mockery of you and the scriptures. I feel bad about it so I can only imagine how you all must feel.

You can no longer cling on to the sinking vessel. It has sunk . Move forward. There is only one answer for Christians . A swim across the Tiber.

30 March 2014 at 05:31  
Blogger Flossie said...

You are not wrong, Cressida. I think the Church of England is finished. So does Damian Thompson, who seems to be a lot more perceptive than most of our bishops, who seem markedly reluctant to speak out against this travesty.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100265463/gay-marriage-will-change-the-church-of-england-forever/

And they are planning to weaken the established church even further with women bishops. Pah!



30 March 2014 at 09:14  
Blogger Len said...

The Reformation started with the desire to re establish the Church that God intended.
This desire to re establish God`s Truth was purchased with the blood of the martyrs.
The shepherds of the reformed Church have turned out to be 'hirelings' who deserted the flock because they did not have the courage or the integrity to look after their flock and have to all intents and purposes fled and have left their flocks to the wolves.
God has provided a solution to this tragedy happening within the Church'.(I can vouch for this because it became my only option.)

Ezekiel 34.(A Prophecy Against False Shepherds)

30 March 2014 at 10:16  
Blogger IanCad said...

False Shepherds?

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:--" 1 Peter 4:17

30 March 2014 at 10:47  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Goodness Bluedog, I am quite taken aback! Murdered in our beds is not the same as other dormitory activities that must not be named. It is all too late now anyway - the gates have been opened and it is just a matter of time, and numbers.

30 March 2014 at 12:45  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Mrs Proudie
Clearly you didn't develop the art of "pulling" the tea whilst in Malaya. Pity you could have livened up the church bazaars at Barchester.

30 March 2014 at 14:44  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Dear Manfarang, our church bazaars in Barchester are lively enough, let me tell you! Why, we have Signora Neroni reading palms dressed as Gypsy Rose Lee (or should that be Traveller Rose Lee in these politically correct times?). Mr Slope draws quite a crowd with his coconut shy (though shy is not the word I'd use to describe him), advising young men that 'it is all in the flick of the wrist.' Young Stanhope does those caricatures-whilst-you-wait and Mrs Quiverful sells off her unwanted baby clothes (of which there is a never ending supply). My Lord the Bishop opens the proceedings then beats a hasty retreat to 'The Three Wise Virgins' to share a firkin with Archdeacon Grantly. Do feel free to drop by...

30 March 2014 at 18:37  
Blogger Len said...

Possibly one of the greatest dangers to the Christian church is the Church itself.
The Church has conceded ground that it once stood on...
Islam does no such thing once Islam has gained a foothold it will not relinquish that foothold
If the Christian church is in retreat it will probably end in a rout as most retreats did.
IF we stand on The Rock(Jesus Christ) we will be unmovable..

31 March 2014 at 15:20  

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