Tuesday, April 08, 2014

'Luton on Sunday' newspaper bows to Luton Taliban


The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is 125 years old this year, and Prime Minister David Cameron sent them his sincere congratulations on reaching this milestone. He praised their work for peace, their charitable endeavours and their efforts on behalf of the environment. "This is true faith in action," he wrote, acknowledging that they have also endured fierce persecution for expressing that faith. This gesture clearly touched a number of Ahmadiyyans all over the world, mindful that in some countries to be Ahmadi is a crime, punishable even by death. For the Ahmadiyya, jihad is not violence, which they repudiate: it is the peaceable struggle against the flesh in a never-ending quest for the peace that passes understanding. And blessed are the peacemakers.

In commemoration of this anniversary, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community took out a two-page advertisement in a number of local newspapers. Luton on Sunday agreed to publish this advertisement (pp4-5):


They then received a complaint from one Dr Fiaz Hussain, who is co-ordinator of the Preservation of Finality of Prophethood Forum (PFPF):


Followed by a delegation of 'Community Leaders':


And then Luton on Sunday issued this swift disassociation and apology (p4):


This is yet another example of Muslim intimidation of the media into conforming to a narrow interpretation of sharia. The advertisement was accepted by the newspaper, and there is no editorial compulsion to endorse the content or message of any such promotion.

Notwithstanding this, Luton on Sunday felt the need to issue an apology for offending "the Muslim community in Luton", as though the offence caused by such a repudiation to the Ahmadiyya community is of no consequence at all, which, of course, it isn't.

One doubts that this delegation made violent threats or even intimated that the Luton on Sunday offices might be firebombed or their staff harassed. But clearly the newspaper came under some sort of pressure to "completely dissociate (themselves) from the content of the advertisement", and this could only have come from a persuasive if not forceful assertion of the sort of narrow Sunni-sharia orthodoxy that is in force in Pakistan (via the malignant Wahhabi-Salafi strain), and which is being incrementally imposed upon or adopted by the British media.

The Ahmadiyya call themselves Muslims, and clearly some other Muslim groups are offended by this because the Ahmadiyya believe that other prophets followed Mohammed: he was not the 'final seal'. This sort of religio-identity dispute is, of course, nothing new: the Church of England calls itself Catholic (and Reformed), which irks one or two (Roman) Catholics. But newspapers and other media are not exhorted by sundry zealous priests and cardinals to dissociate themselves from advertisements which might contain this historic assertion of Anglican belief. It is surely not for Luton on Sunday or any newspaper to take a dogmatic view of the deeply-held sensitivities of one religious denomination, or to impose a moral view of religious blasphemy when Parliament has abolished the concept.

It is to be observed that the Luton on Sunday statement of apology refers only to 'The Ahmadiyya': the Islamic inquisition has clearly determined that they may not be referred to as 'Ahmadiyya Muslims', for the Preservation of Finality of Prophethood Forum (PFPF) has weighed their theology and found them quranically deficient if not heretical.

And so, once again, we observe the adoption of a sharia blasphemy code, which His Grace noted as far back as 2007. The UK now has a de facto blasphemy law which protects the Sunni-sharia assertion of Islamic doctrine vis-à-vis Allah, Mohammed and the Qur'an. And now, in Luton, the views of the Ahmadiyya can go hang with the sensitivities of Christians. Shame on Luton on Sunday for tacitly supporting their persecution.

109 Comments:

Blogger seanrobsville said...

Who next? How long before advertisments from Jewish-owned companies or companies selling Israeli products are banned?


8 April 2014 at 14:14  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

It would be interesting to understand how much this decision was influenced by:

1. Muslim economic leverage
2. Fear for the safety of the newspaper and its employees.
3. The desire to be seen as sufficiently committed to diversity.
4. The desire to maintain community peace.

Anyways, it seems a small minority was a little thing to toss in front of the bus for the sake of any of the above.

carl

8 April 2014 at 14:26  
Blogger Shlomo Tannenholz said...

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8 April 2014 at 14:35  
Blogger Shlomo Tannenholz said...

The "Preservation of Finality of Prophethood Forum (PFPF)" is clearly a hastily arranged front for the evil and genocidal Khatm-e Nabuwwat organisation, a Deobandi-inspired and funded collective that operates in the UK from various Deobandi-managed mosques, Islamic centres and an HQ in Forest Gate. Lord Hussein of Luton (clearly a dissembler) was caught out addressing one of their events (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/07/ahmadiyya-community-uk-action-hate and elsewhere) and the movement has a lot of followers in the UK; more followers than there are Ahmadi Muslims, unfortunately. The Deobandi movement and its even more puritan colleagues in the Ahl-e Hadith movement (and the slightly less puritan, though no less dangerous, Barelwis) will gradually destroy religious harmony in the UK - it is their sole aim.

8 April 2014 at 14:48  
Blogger Mark Williams said...

On an interesting sidenote try typing into your search engine "Muslim apologises" and see what comes up. Being Muslim means never having to say your sorry (unless threatened by legal action)

8 April 2014 at 15:26  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

The Ahmadiyyas present a rather subtle threat in that gullible and well-meaning politicians will claim that they have finally found examples of the elusive moderate Muslims, and hold them up as examples of moderate Islam to an even more gullible public, ignoring the fact that it is the Ahmadiyyas very moderation that makes them so hated by genuine Muslims.

8 April 2014 at 15:32  
Blogger Ivan said...


Dr Abdus Salaam, the Nobelist was an Ahmadiyah. He opined that the Koran was the noblest gift vouchsafed to mankind - clearly a blooper of the first order - but even this did nothing to endear him to the fundoos back in Pakistan.

Cameron, the raging idiot, who has no problems siding with Wahabi fundamentalists in Syria against Christians, is the last person one can expect to stand up to the Deobandis (as I learned from the poster above). These uniformly butt-ugly buggers, with zebibah bumps on their foreheads, gained from incessant head-banging, have been the bane of easy going Muslims worldwide.

8 April 2014 at 15:56  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Happy Jack remembers the adverts from the 1970's where Lorraine Chase declares: "Nah, Luton Airport!" and "It's Nice 'Ere, Init"

This should now be voiced over to proclaim: "Nah, Luton Cop-out!" and "It's Wahhabi-Salafi 'Ere, Init"

Shameful.

(With apologies to non mouse for the appalling misuse of the English language)

8 April 2014 at 16:03  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

But the cartoon story so they say is different – I think not: 'All in all its just Another brick in the Wall'

I commissioned the cartoons in response to several incidents of self-censorship in Europe caused by widening fears and feelings of intimidation in dealing with issues related to Islam. And I still believe that this is a topic that we Europeans must confront, challenging moderate Muslims to speak out. The idea wasn't to provoke gratuitously -- and we certainly didn't intend to trigger violent demonstrations throughout the Muslim world. Our goal was simply to push back self-imposed limits on expression that seemed to be closing in tighter.

“Why I Published Those Cartoons”
Flemming Rose (Culture Editor, Jyllands-Posten)
Washington Post - Sunday, February 19, 2006

8 April 2014 at 16:24  
Blogger Jim McLean said...

This is so worrying. The consequences will be felt, perhaps not today but in twenty to fifty years time.

8 April 2014 at 16:26  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

You'd have thought that Luton was a big enough place to have a proper newspaper. I wouldn't subject my parrakeets to the humiliation of using Luton on Sunday to line their cage with.

8 April 2014 at 16:26  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

If anyone needed an example of why Tommy Robinson and the EDL in Luton made a stand against islam and sharia, surely this should serve that purpose.

8 April 2014 at 16:42  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

A useful illustration of the importance Muslims attach to their faith and of how jealously they guard it. Their devotion outclasses anything English Christianity can offer, and the Luton on Sunday versus Community Leaders fixture was clearly a walkover for the away side—reasonable English compromise wilted and died when confronted by confident, assertive Islam. If this can happen when Muslims are just five per cent of the population, imagine what the future holds.

8 April 2014 at 18:31  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

The gentle folk working on Luton on Sunday have no more wish to be apprehended at the office entrance by two of the Islamic devout carrying machetes than you or this man posting here, Archbishop. Interestingly, the intensity of the humbling apology is that that would have occurred had the Inspector been entrusted at short notice with the editorship - the incumbent having fled in fear of their life. That is, to announce to the readership, in a none too subtle way, the nervously close encounter with the religion of peace that took place. So well done them. Though one does understand that the terror these near misses install in the indigenous peoples of these British Isles are far outweighed by the benefits of mass alien immigration or so they say. So we’ll just have to live with it, what !

Tally ho !

8 April 2014 at 18:43  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

By the way. A fellow at work has been given a ‘Keep Calm and Carry On’ mug by his beloved so he can drink his tea at work in comfort rather than straight out the flask. (One assumes it is tea, looks like whisky from a desk or two away)

Anyway, it was not lost on this man that these particular words in poster form were never issued to the wartime population. They were being saved for when the NAZIs landed on these shores.

Anyway, Luton on Sunday, can the Inspector interest you in two score and ten per chance ?


8 April 2014 at 18:52  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Carl @ 14:26

Fifteen years ago, it would have been your Point 3 (tolerance).

Now, I'd say 2 (fear),1 (economic leverage),4 (community peace), 3 (tolerance) in that order.

The Inspector clearly also thinks fear is the controlling factor. Any other opinions?

8 April 2014 at 19:02  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Must PM Cameron always squint in his pics? Nice Conservative blue tie, though. Very subdued and proper, even if bit dull.

Ah, Inspector, good point about the preparations for Nazis coming to the UK. So easy to forget. Stephenson, in The Man from Intrepid, penned quite a few jabs for the post-invasion industry the poltroons in government and industry spawned.

8 April 2014 at 19:07  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

@ Inspector

"Though one does understand that the terror these near misses install in the indigenous peoples of these British Isles are far outweighed by the benefits of mass alien immigration or so they say."

Gordon Broon and Tony B. Liar thought they were being clever by importing an electorate, whereas in fact they have imported an Ummah, which will not be quite so easy to control.

8 April 2014 at 19:12  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Yes chaps, the tool that is fear. As a lad growing up in Cheltenham in the 1970s, one recalls the then newly arrived brown types could be found inside public houses in the first half of that decade. Now they could have been Hindus, but the fact still remains you didn’t find them there, Hindus or otherwise, at the close of the decade. One suspects 1980 is around the time Mohamed got organised in this country.

Let us not forget that the religious extremists wield fear as a two edged sword. To threaten the kaffir, but just as importantly, to keep their own on their knees five times a day, away from drink and away from bacon.


8 April 2014 at 19:23  
Blogger Integrity said...

Your Grace;
Talking of censorship, has anyone noticed the Christian Concern issue with the QEII Conference Centre. The centre cancelled a booking that Christian Concern hade at the QII to have an open debate on SSM. QII cancelled it at 4pm the day before it was due to happen.
In an on-going case between QII and Christian Concern, QII say they will claim estimated costs of £50,000 from Christian Concern.
Christian Concern have now contacted Eric Pickles because he has publically claimed that Britain is a Christian Country. Yet the QII, which is a building under his Ministry, cancelled the meeting because it did not meet their diversity standards.

So Eric, is it a Christian country or only when it suits the Government?

8 April 2014 at 19:30  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Sean, one is now convinced that Labour could lose every single muslim vote in much of an instant. Take SSM. Not a squeak from the Labour party. Nothing at all. A fatwa directing all Islamic votes to their de facto party ‘Respect’ is eventually going to happen, come what may. Might even be on the back of the most apparently innocent of issues too !

Labour know it’s only a matter of time, and there is nothing they can do about it ! {Heh Heh}


8 April 2014 at 19:31  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

By the way Sean, Labour always did have a patriarchal and condescending attitude to coloured immigrants. At local level, they would house them, help set them up, even find jobs for them. But it was always understood that their political representation would be taken care of by a traditional Labour white man in his fifties who had been through the 39 45 war in the ranks. Or even tanks !

It worked when it was mainly West Indians, but not any longer with the Saracen...

8 April 2014 at 19:48  
Blogger Stuart Mousir-Harrison said...

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8 April 2014 at 19:50  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

In The Downfall of the Netherlands: Land of the Naive Fools, a Dutch Pakistani asks ‘How can a people be so advanced in their thought while being so naive at the same time?’ He answers that the Dutch are a people ‘who lived so long in a neatly arranged society, and developed its kindness so far that it not only forgot what a mess looks like, but never developed the intelligence to keep itself clean’.

Every country in Europe is discovering what a mess looks like. All that’s needed now is an outbreak of intelligence.

8 April 2014 at 20:03  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

There was an interesting post at 19:50 from an apparent white man from Luton. Knowing His Grace would see it anyway, he felt compelled not to let it stand, yet it was not malicious in any way. Now sir, whoever you are, that is NOT understandable unless you are in fear, then it would be...

8 April 2014 at 20:12  
Blogger Sister Julian said...

from Sister Julian OSC
While what happened in Luton is dreadful, would that those who follow Christ were as strong in our faith and prepared to stand up for it like the muslims do. One day our apathy is going to be our downfall as we realise too late that we have failed Our Lord and let the enemy not only storm the gates but come in and take over, turning our churches into mosques. Already in my part of the country church school buildings are now muslim centres -
we surely need to gird our loins and stand up for the faith, as His (late) Grace and countless others have done down the centuries. We will not be left to worship quietly when the takeover happens, we shall suffer as our Christian brothers and sisters are doing in countless countries in Africa as well as the middle and far east.
Should we perhaps sing a rousing chorus of Stand up stand up for Jesus, before we forget what that means?

8 April 2014 at 20:26  
Blogger Sister Julian said...

from Sister Julian OSC
While what happened in Luton is dreadful, would that those who follow Christ were as strong in our faith and prepared to stand up for it like the muslims do. One day our apathy is going to be our downfall as we realise too late that we have failed Our Lord and let the enemy not only storm the gates but come in and take over, turning our churches into mosques. Already in my part of the country church school buildings are now muslim centres -
we surely need to gird our loins and stand up for the faith, as His (late) Grace and countless others have done down the centuries. We will not be left to worship quietly when the takeover happens, we shall suffer as our Christian brothers and sisters are doing in countless countries in Africa as well as the middle and far east.
Should we perhaps sing a rousing chorus of Stand up stand up for Jesus, before we forget what that means?

8 April 2014 at 20:26  
Blogger Saruman The White said...

As a regular reader of His Grace's thoughts I do feel compelled to point out in the interests of fairness and balance that
a) I have observed in my role as University Chaplain that the Muslim community in Luton has a reputation for a certain flavour of (religious) conservatism,
b) the Ahmaddiya's position within the wider Muslim community is not too dissimilar to that of Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons in the Christian tradition (.i.e not accepted by that wider faith community as members, including myself).
In the light of this the newspaper's comments are rather more understandable. I'd be as concerned about whether David Cameron, or his advisers, were aware of the issue, and of any repercussions that might arise from his letter of congratulation.

8 April 2014 at 21:12  
Blogger Saruman The White said...

Inspector General, perhaps he, seeing the prevalence of pseudonymous posts, felt the need to hide likewise... and thus all the more praise is due to Sister Julian for his integrity and openness.

8 April 2014 at 21:16  
Blogger Saruman The White said...

Or, I should say, "her" *blush*

8 April 2014 at 21:17  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...


Saruman, you shame the Inspector, who is obliged to use a non de plume (guerre ?), but there is good reason. For the Inspector is none other than a top Hollywood actress renowned for her nude scenes. It would take an effort of Titanic proportions to get her to reveal who she really is...

Oh dear, I’ve said too much. {AHEM}


8 April 2014 at 21:26  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

It is unwise to get too involved with any muslims here let alone praise one particular branch over another, before you know it we'll be embroiled in nasty civil conflict through no fault of our own. Best rise above the lot of them and concentrate on Christianity here.

8 April 2014 at 21:29  
Blogger Hannah said...

Another excellent post from His Grace. Good observations from Seanrobsville as well; I know my brother has had problems with business deals because of our faith.

Hi Inspector, a hollywood actress of Titanic proportions? Well, if only you were a Canadian actress who'd recently come out * swoon *...

8 April 2014 at 22:09  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Integrity @ 19.30, this communicant apologises for not replying to the pointed commentary on Eric Pickles that you made the other day in response to a laudatory post. In defence of Pickles, he doesn't seem the type who would intuitively support SSM. However as Minister for Communities in the Cameron/Clegg Moral Enlightenment he is charged with promoting inclusiveness and equality. One can imagine that suitably pre-programmed interns would have been sent from the politburo to ensure that EP toed the party line at all times. As you may be aware, most political offices keep pro-forma letters in two categories; those in reply to letters of support and those in rebuttal of criticism. One suspects you received a suitably amended edition of the second format, handcrafted by a young pioneer.

8 April 2014 at 22:15  
Blogger Malcolm Smith said...

Mind you, if a newspaper printed an article on "Mormon Christians", I would expect the Christian churches to insist they correct their mistake.

8 April 2014 at 22:30  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Inspector, you are wise to keep your identity secure and one trusts you use a
non de plume email account too. We wouldn't want any harm to befall a member of the fairer sex.

Pamela Geller, President of the American Freedom Defence Initiative (AFDI) and Stop Islamisation of America (SIOA), has drawn attention to a worrying event.

Sweden's immigration policy is increasingly under fire in on-line blogs because Muslim immigrants are perceived to be overwhelming the culture.

In line with the “Do not criticise or insult Islam” *diversity* and *liberalism* in Europe, 'Expressen', one of Sweden’s biggest newspapers, used hackers to get into Disqus and obtain the email addresses and identities of commenters online. They then revealed the persons behind the user IDs. The newspaper sent a reporter and a cameraman to one person’s home and asked them about things they had written on websites.

'Expressen' published the names and photos of some people, which led to at least one person losing his job.

8 April 2014 at 23:23  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Malcolm Smith, it wasn't an "article". The paper made no "mistake".

It was a two page advert placed by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Did it breach advertising standards?

8 April 2014 at 23:28  
Blogger Ivan said...


This is not about standing up for the Christian faith. It is just to let the runts know that they cannot set the agenda. The difficulty with Islamic infiltration is that they invariably ensconce themselves in seemingly innocuous positions, halal caterers, customs officials, consular services and the like. Middle to low level positions that fly just under the radar, sufficient to cause damage, but not of itself serious enough to trigger a robust response. The host is expected to die of a thousand cuts. The FN in France has the right ideas to cut through the fog.

9 April 2014 at 03:42  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

This story once again shows how desperately we need a written Bill of Rights/Constitution which amongst other things guarantees free speech, real free speech short of actual incitement to commit a crime.

The Americans decided it was better to have the loathsome Fred Phelps causing offence with highly unwelcome speech than to have free speech limited. They were right.

Its not only Mad Moham who is protected from criticism either. People are afraid to express their true feelings on several other major issues too.

'Paranoia strikes derp
Though your lives it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line they'll take you away...

Its time to
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down'

Stephen Stills

9 April 2014 at 06:56  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

Some good news! Tim Burton has been acquitted in the Taqiyya Thoughtcrime Trial.

9 April 2014 at 07:13  
Blogger Len said...

It seems incomprehensible to me that our government through pursuing the anti Christian agenda that it is undoubtedly doing is sowing the seeds of its own ultimate destruction and will take the Country down with it.
Are they totally blind to this because I cannot believe this is a deliberate intentional policy?.

One of the most alarming sentences in the Bible is' God left them to their own devices..'So I gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices'.(Psalm 81:12)

I see this in the Church and in the Government..It is almost too late to disestablish the Church from our rapidly sinking Society.
Apostate Christianity will be given over' into the hands of the enemy 'as happened in the past to the children of Israel.

9 April 2014 at 07:51  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Len @ 7.51

"I cannot believe this is a deliberate intentional policy..?"

I agree with your post. No it is not deliberate. There is of course a refusal to accept truths as plain truths, a doubting and questioning, reflecting post-modernism. Cameron and his ilk are thoroughly relativist. They probably get a buzz from defying what they see as norms and standards, and some people have genuinely convinced themselves that "reform" as they see it, is the right, moral thing to do, but no, they are not deliberately trying to bring the entire house down. However pulling out some major supporting bricks from a structure already weakened by decades of undermining is very risky.
So the process of piece by piece demolition continues . The motive is quite simply short term political gain, nothing more than that, I believe. When they look back they may regret it. We have seen something, I believe, approaching regret, certainly strong surprise, at the present levels of abortion, in relation to the envisaged small beginnings of that "reform", but which now of course have burgeoned out of all proportion to that which was used as compassionate justification, originally, for changing the law.
It may be similar with recent changes perhaps. How many marriages will we see in future ? Yet one of the reasons for the redefinition was to strengthen the institution. Let us now watch it strengthening shall we ?
No it's not deliberate, just an inability to respect the source of the earlier respected understandings, and an inability to imagine the accumulated effects of many changes, most small but some significant, upon society. At the moment we are seeing some significant ones roll past us. They are, in OT terms, blind guides leading the blind, and those prominent "prophets", who should be prophesying, are all too compliant, silent even sometimes.

9 April 2014 at 08:30  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Explorer @ 19.02 says/asks 'The Inspector clearly also thinks fear is the controlling factor. Any other opinions?'

There is plenty to be afraid of; just look at every nation on earth with an Islamic minority and there is low level civil war. The only variable is the degree of hostilities, with the Islamists the aggressors in every instance. There are still members of the British population who cannot bring themselves to see the Muslims in these terms. More fool them.

A shining example is Fraser Nelson, editor of the Spectator. Only the other day Nelson published an op-ed in the Daily Telegraph that was nothing more than a puff piece for the success of British Muslims in contributing to society and participating in all walks of life. One wonders who ordered this pack of lies.

In any event, for those without a DT paywall pass, the comments column was shut down after 53 entries, all of which were unremittingly negative. One concludes that the bloggosphere is right on the case and that the comments were shut down to prevent total humiliation of the Muzzies. Most DT comments run to 1000 entries.

9 April 2014 at 08:30  
Blogger IanCad said...

IGIO

I await your further revelations with Bated breath.

9 April 2014 at 08:53  
Blogger The Explorer said...

David H @ 08:30

Excellent analysis.

Most disastrous social initiatives are dreamed up by well-meaning theorists who believe we are all guided by rationality and that there is no such thing as sin (only ignorance).

Invariably, society turns out to be less rational and more sinful than the theory allows for.

Even when I was an atheist, Rousseau's verdict on humanity (especially children) seemed to me to be nonsense: as evidenced by Rousseau's actual conduct.

9 April 2014 at 09:55  
Blogger Busy Mum said...

It might be more appropriate if 'Luton on Sunday' turned into 'Luton on Friday' and left the good burghers of Bedfordshire to read the Bible and other Christian works on Sundays.

9 April 2014 at 10:26  
Blogger David Hussell said...

The Explorer @ 9.55

Thank you. And of more importance, congratulations for escaping from the traps of both Rousseau "rationality" and atheism. Like Humanism, many contemporary, thinking westerners sadly fall into those traps and never get out again, though some do.

I read about Rousseau relatively recently, as part of the theology degree that I am now about to complete. His treatment of his own bastard children, conceived by that poor, exploited serving woman shocked me, and that doesn't often happen. He was an evil old man in my opinion, imposing his crazy theories on people, even his own offspring, whilst living a life of some comfort himself. All students of his thoughts should be made to read first, about how his ideas actually played out in his life.
"By their fruits ye shall know them", never fails me as a test I find.

9 April 2014 at 11:09  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Len (07:51) and David Hussell (08:30)—It is intentional, certainly regarding Third World immigration. Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi, a fervent advocate of European unity, favoured the destruction of ethnic homogeneity in Europe. Nick Griffin speaking in the European Parliament said: ‘Mr President, when the godfather of the European Union, Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, published the plan for a united Europe and the ethnocide of the peoples of Europe, the encouragement of mass non-white immigration was central to the plot.’

One of Coudenhove-Kalergi’s slavering admirers, Peter Sutherland, stated in 2012 that the EU should ‘do its best to undermine’ the ‘homogeneity’ of its member states.

Having undermined the very basis of the nation state, ethnic homogeneity, politicians are now at leisure to complete the destruction by, for example, subverting the traditional concepts of marriage and the family.

9 April 2014 at 11:10  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Johnny R:

Excellent.

Would I be right in thinking the plan was to follow the old US model: new immigrants would put their past behind them and simply think of themselves as Europeans?

Three thoughts, if so.

1. Multi-culti got in the way. They were encouraged to retain their old identity. And they have.

2. US immigration has backfired in C21. Mexican immigrants don't want to become American; they want to return the South West of America to Mexico.

3. The Emperor Valens was persuaded to let in an influx of Germans to become nice new Romans. Instead, they stayed German, defeated a Roman army, and opened the border to more Germans. The rest is history.

9 April 2014 at 11:44  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Johnny Rottenborough @ 11.10

An interesting suggestion from you.

Clearly cultural Marxism lies deep, behind much of the present "reforms".
However I do not believe that the politicians of the established parties, almost all equally culpable I think, are doing this to deliberately destroy our society. They argue, partly from misguided principle, and partly from short term political and career self-interest, that they are doing it, to improve, as they see it, society. But they are classic "willing fools", undoubtedly.
They do not fully grasp the strategic, societal, long term implications of their actions, I believe. I see no long term, strategic thinkers anywhere near the levers of government. They are devoid of wisdom. In totally different fields of governance, I know, but just look at their clowning behaviour with energy policy, or the shambles of the Defence Reviews. They really do not know what they are doing, and think nothing through whatsoever.
How is it we come to this low pass where nationally, we have spent so much on education, but are so incapable of putting real thinkers into government ? It baffles me. The only explanation is perhaps to say that it reflects the shallowness of the contemporary, relativist culture that the established parties seem to reflect so accurately?

So maybe, in a sense, society elects the political leadership it deserves? But I don't believe that, as I think that the leadership is way behind the basic common sense still possessed by the average person, but that cultural residue may be diminishing, I am not sure. Only time will tell.

9 April 2014 at 11:45  
Blogger The Explorer said...

David H @ 11:45

When Cultural Marxism is REALLY working, people follow it without even realising what they are doing.

They simply think they are following truth (no, cancel that: since it doesn't exist.) They think they are following reality; rather than a view of reality as defined by Cultural Marxism.

As Baudelaire said, if the Devil exists, it would be in his interests for people not to believe in him.

9 April 2014 at 11:52  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

Multiculturalism could only work if everyone played nicely together. But with Islam as the playground bully this is not going to happen, and the end result will be a homogenously monocultural Muslim Europe.

9 April 2014 at 12:06  
Blogger The Explorer said...

seanr @ 12:06

The multiculti theorists probably thought everybody WOULD play nicely together: just as kids in school will if you allow them all to follow self-directed learning. (A problem about actually allowing them to follow their own interests is that some of them are interested in bullying: a fairly self-evident possibility to anyone not floating on the clouds.)

They just thought all religions were a) equally untrue and b) equally about people being nice to each other. They hoped for the best, and failed to do the background research.

9 April 2014 at 12:16  
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9 April 2014 at 12:44  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

Quick question. I've heard this phrase being used before here, but what exactly cultural marxism? Is it an actual philosophy based on Marxism or is it a good soundbite the right has made up because liberal doesn't sound as threatening to the average Joe?

9 April 2014 at 12:44  
Blogger David Hussell said...

The Explorer @ 11.45 + 12.16

Agreed !

9 April 2014 at 12:55  
Blogger The Explorer said...

David K:

Cultural Marxism = PC. It dates from 1923 and the Marxist Frankfurt School.

WW1 should have been between classes not nations. The workers behaved politically incorrectly by fighting each other.

Nationalism was too strong, and so must be destroyed by destroying the nation. Do that by destroying patriotism, religion and the family.

The new class war is not economic (bourgeoisie v proletariat) but cultural: hegemonic white male v minorities (racial, sexual, 'criminal').

Once the white male hegemony is overthrown, and the culture has collapsed, the economic revolution can be implemented.

Main proponents: Adorno, Horkheimer, Lukacs, Marcuse and, above all, Gramsci.

9 April 2014 at 13:01  
Blogger David Hussell said...

David Kavanagh @ 12.44

Cultural Marxism ?

Does it exist, as a theory and practise ? Yes, very much so. I am no expert, others here who have studied politics formally probably know more than me, but it is easy to research the basic ideas and history.
Just do a search on Frankfurt School Cultural Marxism, and you'll be on the right track. It has had almost a 100 years to embed its cancer in the body of western civilisation, seeping into it via socialism, into liberalism and now, even so called "Conservative" politics. Mention it to most people and they cloud over as few anyway, know about its more well known earlier cousin, economic/political Marxism. The failure of mainstream Marxism, when the western proletariat, the labour component, did not fulfil the predictions based on classic marxist theory, and rise and murder their "oppressors", the owners of the other two means of production ( land, capital ) led to the creation of a cunning delayed fuse destructor, the cultural variant. So it was designed as a slow acting worm munching its way into the heart of "the system". Of course opponents of this would just explain it as the onward, upward inevitable march of post-enlightenment "rational" society. But the results speak for themselves I think.

9 April 2014 at 13:10  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

Explorer,

Thanks for that explanation.

9 April 2014 at 13:11  
Blogger The Explorer said...

If the EU dream is for us all to forget our nationalities and become simply Europeans, the Scots really aren't getting the big picture.

9 April 2014 at 13:15  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

David Hussell,

Thanks for that as well.

If it is the contention here by yourself and explorer that these shadowy figures decided to import 'militant Islam' to destroy Europe as a 'Trojan Horse' then they are extremely stupid, naive or both. It isn't playing with fire, it is playing with plutonium, if this thesis is indeed the correct one.

9 April 2014 at 13:18  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

Sean

8 April 2014 14:14

"Who next? How long before advertisments from Jewish-owned companies or companies selling Israeli products are banned?"

That is already happening in the cause of 'freeing Palestine' & 'stopping Zionist ethnic cleansing'. Look up the BDS campaign, the frequent 'boycott Israel' events at our universities and you will see what I mean; there are already well know companies and celebs who are endorsing this hate campaign. So 81 years after The Nazi party came to power in Germany, Jews are yet again victim of a boycotting campaign. I'd also note that the real ethnic cleansers were Arab states, who after 1948 stole property, boycotted, imprisoned and then expelled 800,000 plus Jews from their borders, whose communities had lived there well before Islam ever existed.

9 April 2014 at 13:28  
Blogger The Explorer said...

David:

More their descendants. The Frankfurt School fell foul of Hitler. Those who survived fled to America. Lukacs wrote the most influential book (bar 'The Communist Manifesto' on Marxist theory and gave reign to his ideas under Bela Kuhn.)

Gramsci (Italian in Moscow) fled Stalin and was imprisoned by Mussolini and died 1948 or thereabouts.

Marcuse emerged again in the 60's and masterminded the cultural changes in the USA.

9 April 2014 at 13:28  
Blogger The Explorer said...

David K @ 13:18

'Kun', not 'Kuhn'.

Not stupid for a Marxist. Because people are simply ciphers (until after the final revolution) they will behave as Theory says they will, and put class interest ahead of nation or religion.

And then these ciphers have the annoying habit of ignoring theory and doing their own thing. (Like still adhering to Islam.)

9 April 2014 at 13:47  
Blogger David Hussell said...

The Explorer @ 13.28

Accepted, with thanks.

What I find so utterly incredible, is how few, even thinking people, are totally unaware of what has and is happening. Truly they have covered up their tracks very well. Also their followers have been so clever about picking language to disguise the true origins and motives behind it all. Never has such a malign theory been put into practise for so long, so successfully and with so few realising. It's about marketing really I suppose.
Of course nothing is irreversible, so there is always hope, but there's no sign of any turning point approaching, quite the reverse, as it seems to be accelerating I'd say.

9 April 2014 at 13:53  
Blogger 45minutewarning said...

To be fair to Luton On Sunday, they are not the only Vichy-style surrender monkeys to wave the white flag when confronted with this "peaceful" religion. A gay teacher recently had to resign from a school where Muslim parents objected to his teaching children about the honourable practice of homosexuality. Even the gay god bows to Allah!

9 April 2014 at 14:04  
Blogger The Explorer said...

David H @ 13:53/ 45min @ 14:04

'David' was ambiguous. I was making the point to the other David that the "shadowy figures" I had mentioned were mostly out of the picture before mass immigration began.

45min: really interesting. How to balance the claims of one victim group against those of another victim group is a real headache for PC, but until I read your example I'd have said Gay trumped everything else.

9 April 2014 at 14:20  
Blogger The Explorer said...

David H:

Interesting, looking back on the thread, to see how closely your definition of Cultural Marxism tallied with mine.

It is an identifiable phenomenon, with a definable ancestry: despite its efforts at concealment.

All we can do is to continue exposing to the light of day.

9 April 2014 at 14:26  
Blogger The Explorer said...

'exposing it.'

9 April 2014 at 14:36  
Blogger David Hussell said...

The Explorer @ 14.26

Yes, I agree.

"....exposing to the light of day".

I am not one ever to say "it is too late", being an optimist, but our problem is that there are legions of people across the entire spectrum of society who would resist, tooth and nail, it being seriously "outed" on a mass scale, as they would feel that they were then shown up for the gullible fools that they have been, But perhaps I'm wrong?
To be a fool amongst millions, including the rich, powerful and famous is not the shame experience that being exposed alone would be. Is there a clue there ?

9 April 2014 at 14:39  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Explorer (11:44)—simply think of themselves as Europeans

When Third World immigration began in earnest in the 1950s, politicians came out with soothing noises along the lines of: the first generation may have difficulty adapting but subsequent generations will be more British than we are, but cabinet minutes of the time show that ministers were fully aware of the hostility being encountered by West Indian immigrants. Churchill was horrified at the prospect of what he called ‘a magpie society’, and Aneurin Bevan was ‘apparently unprepared to see his socialist paradise enjoyed by “coloured” Britons’. Those two quotes come from footnotes in Ian RG Spencer’s British Immigration Policy Since 1939 (Routledge, 1997), and this page gathers together some Churchillian pronouncements on immigration. It almost seems as though some higher authority had ordered the admission of Third World immigrants to Europe and even Churchill had to acquiesce.

@ David (11:45)—There may be an ulterior motive to some of the clowning. The defence shambles is a deliberate preparation for EU Armed Forces; national Armed Forces are being diminished to give politicians the excuse to say how much more sensible it would be to have a Europe-wide military. On energy, however, wind turbines are so totally useless that only clowns could possibly want them. I think what has gone fundamentally wrong with politics is that the élites, for decades now, have been enamoured of supranational government and are deliberately strangling to death the nation state.

9 April 2014 at 15:00  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Johnny Rottenborough @15.00

Well I certainly agree that our national defence capability is being slashed for the reasons you outline. I am so pleased that military chiefs have been outspoken about it.
Yes, and the energy fiasco is pure incompetence, but encouraged by the EU obsession with man-made climate change, of course.
Not wishing to switch into party political mode, but the whole sorry catalogue of disasters, and with the overarching threat to our national survival uppermost in my mind, explains my ditching of the pretend Conservatives, for Ukip, as representing our last ditch defense of what remains worth building upon again, if we can ? Yes we can !

9 April 2014 at 15:17  
Blogger The Explorer said...

David K:

Thinking about it some more, I'd say mutli culti had different motives from Cultural Marxism.

I'd say multi culti wanted to avoid a third European war by undermining the nationalism of the various nations. a) Import non-European foreigners to dilute things. b) Eventually, dissolve the nations into one European identity so that a new European global power could emerge. (As Johnny R says re armed forces.)

By undermining the nation, multi culti fuelled the aims of Cultural Marxists (who probably infiltrated), but I think the basic motive was different.

Both groups probably miscalculated about Islam: thinking Muslims would either become good secular Europeans or good class warriors, and neither group anticipating that the religion would survive as a third option.

Hope that helps.

9 April 2014 at 16:25  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

The Explorer

In historical sequence, I think your option (b) came first: the overriding purpose of the Common Market (later the European Community and then the European Union) was made quite explicit from the outset: that there should never again be a war between France and Germany.

The import of cheap labour from the West Indies (UK), North Africa (France and Belgium), and Turkey (Germany) began at much the same time as the Common Market, but I don't think there was any joint planning at the European level. In fact it began in the UK twenty years or more before Heath took us into the EC.

9 April 2014 at 17:38  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Uncle Brian:

Yes, I'm fuzzier about multiculturalism's origins than about PC.

Multiculturalism is younger than PC, arising in the 60's (although thought about before that.) Dance's 'History the Betrayer' is about the need not to teach the nation its own history and to think globally as a way (at least implicitly) of avoiding another war.

It wouldn't have caused the initial influx of cheap labour, but it would have caused the philosophy of 'a community of communities' rather than an integrated nation. And mixed in with respect for other cultures would have been a loathing for the indigenous variety, and a desire to see it irrevocably altered.

David H @ 13:10 made the very valid point of how Cultural Marxism has infiltrated other movements. Impossible to say, I imagine, exactly what's motivating whom.

Clearly some immigration has been ideological rather than economic, as in Andrew Neather 2008: rubbing faces in diversity.

9 April 2014 at 18:04  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

David H: "Does it exist, as a theory and practise ? Yes, very much so. I am no expert, others here who have studied politics formally probably know more than me, but it is easy to research the basic ideas and history."

I usually write people who use the phrase off as tin foil hatters because it seems to massively over-emphasise the extent to which we're collectively manipulated. The other negative of the phrase is that it has been picked up by far right numpties like Nick Griffin and propagated to gullible thickos who like the idea of a enemy within.

9 April 2014 at 18:39  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

That's not to say it doesn't have some sort of existence and pedigree, of course. Clearly there was a 'Frankfurt School' of such thought.

9 April 2014 at 18:40  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Collectively manipulated ?

Take a walk down the street DanJ0, and take in the sameness of everybody...

9 April 2014 at 19:13  
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9 April 2014 at 19:14  
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9 April 2014 at 19:14  
Blogger The Explorer said...

DanJ0:

What, in your view, is the origin of the term Political Correctness?

9 April 2014 at 19:19  
Blogger Busy Mum said...

45minutewarning @14.04
Re the gay teacher having to resign. I have been following that one and it is incredible how much sympathy there is for him from the teaching profession. I asked how it was different from the Scottish school chaplain who had to resign because he lamented - on his facebook page - the passing of the SSM bill. The general feeling is that being 'anti-gay' is inappropriate in an 'educator' and teachers have a duty to make children understand that some families are different and that's not a problem in any way.....these are the people who are overseeing the education of Britian's children! One actually said that the belief that gay is sinful is inferior to the belief that it's not. I have close family who have been in the teaching profession prior to SSM and they report that several militant homosexual teachers have been pressing for years to include LBGT issues in school curriculums.

9 April 2014 at 19:59  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Uncle Brian:

I'd say PC and Multiculturalism can be compared to Romanticism.

Romanticism arose at a point in time, and spread itself through music, art and literature across a range of countries.

There was no mastermind co-ordinating things (although there were theorists in each country): it spread as the result of intellectual and cultural interaction, and because it suited the mood of the moment.

And, in due course, the anti-Romantic reaction set in.

9 April 2014 at 21:33  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

The Explorer

Romanticism lasted a long time, though, didn't it? Virtually the whole of the nineteenth century, give or take? How long are we going to have to wait for the anti-PC and anti-multiculti reaction to set in?

9 April 2014 at 22:29  
Blogger bluedog said...

JR @ 15.00 says, 'for decades now, have been enamoured of supranational government and are deliberately strangling to death the nation state.'

Look no further than the Bilderberg Group. Their own website is wonderfully uninformative and misleading: http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.html

See also Wikipedia: http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.html

Note comment by Dennis Healy. Now this communicant is aware that DH was a Communist, and when part of the British military legal team in the occupied port of Trieste in 1945, was thrown off the deck of a British warship in Trieste harbour for inciting mutiny and revolt. Did DH ever change his spots?

9 April 2014 at 22:46  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Uncle Brian:

Impossible to say.

Islam would put paid to both, as in seanr @ 12:06.

Whether the triumph of Islam is inevitable, I don't know. Last time it seemed certain to overrun Europe, Tamburlaine appeared out of nowhere and changed the situation.

Rise of nationalism? Collapse of EU? Too many unknowns to venture a prediction.

9 April 2014 at 22:51  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ bluedog (22:46)—Exhibit B:

And yet there is a place on earth where new forms of global governance have been tried following World War II: in Europe. More than half a century ago Jean Monet said: ‘The sovereign nations of the past can no longer provide a framework for the resolution of our present problems: And the European Community itself is no more than a step towards the organizational forms of tomorrow’s world.’ This was as valid then as it is now.—Pascal Lamy, 2009

9 April 2014 at 23:34  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Explorer, Happy Jack says "tolerance" has become the weapon of the liberals. It has been raised to the level of an absolute morality.

We must now tolerate all things that do not evidentially harm other individuals. Original sin and man's fallen nature is no, no in this world view. Man is rational and calculating. Liberty is all. And the impact of private actions on the common good is down played. The intolerable must not be mentioned in a tolerant nation. If it is, it is bigotry or hate.

10 April 2014 at 01:47  
Blogger The Explorer said...

Happy Jack:

If Rousseau's view of humanity is correct, tolerance is fine.

If the biblical view of humanity is correct, tolerance turns into Marcuse's 'Repressive Tolerance' and becomes a new form of tyranny.

10 April 2014 at 07:29  
Blogger David Hussell said...

The Explorer @ 07.29, Happy Jack @ 01.47

The new so called tolerance merely seems to be a thin mask, which is now slipping, for enforcing a deep seated intolerance of all who disagree with the rapidly evolving "new tolerance". Liberalism has become distinctly illiberal in fact.
As Explorer says, this seems to support the biblical view of humanity, that it is only a framework of rules for living by that can make us truly free.

10 April 2014 at 08:30  
Blogger The Explorer said...

"The law may chain up the wolf, but it is the Gospel that changes the wolfish nature."

Samuel Bolton

10 April 2014 at 08:41  
Blogger David Hussell said...

The Explorer @ 08.41

Brilliant quotation, most pithy. Well said !

Now I will have to look up Samuel Bolton.

10 April 2014 at 09:08  
Blogger Len said...

The liberals have let loose a monster which they are unable to control and will eventually destroy them and all they hold dear.
The tragedy is that they are blind to this and will not listen to any who try and warn them of this occurring and that society as a whole will suffer from their experiment in 'liberation'.

The Atheist is the centre of his little universe and because of his total inability to perceive the spiritual dimension is 'putty in the hands' of the master deceiver the prince of this world.

If you reject the Light of this World(Jesus Christ) then you will not even be a contender in the fight over truth and true spiritual liberty.


10 April 2014 at 09:27  
Blogger bluedog said...

Let's blame Rousseau for discovering Inequality and the French Revolution for proselytising Egalitarianism. Our current problems stem from the latter, or rather, a manic obsession with finding new pockets of Inequality to eliminate. We can blame multi-culturalism upon the Equality/Inequality nexus too, as multi-culti is just the assumption that all cultures are Equal. We know they are not.

A fundamental flaw in Democracy is the need of democratic politicians to be seen to do something. Thus a politician like Cameron who has been brainwashed that the French Revolution was Good, can only accept that Equality is invariably Good too. His conditioning prevents him reaching any other conclusion. Introducing SSM is therefore a blow in favour of Equality, (while carefully ignoring the difference between Equality of opportunity and Equality of outcome), and thus automatically Good as well as representing Progress. Progress is really the abolition of previous taboos and is presumed to win votes despite its obvious limits; at some point progress will hit a brick wall in practical terms once everything is permitted.

His Grace's socially conservative communicants will of course be able to discern the difference between motion and progress. It goes without saying that Cameron and Clegg cannot.

In political terms, the issue becomes one of re-branding Equality as Bad, or if not Bad, at least potentially undesirable. We can already see instances where Equality is rejected, such as in sporting events like the Olympic Games. In sporting events not only is there a recognition that an individual or team may come first and win, but men and women are ruthlessly separated on a basis that flies in the face of gender neutrality. So, given that sports are a celebration of Inequality and enormously popular as a result, how to transfer that thinking and that metaphor to the political and social arenas?

10 April 2014 at 13:50  
Blogger Edward Woodward said...

I can't help but think that this is simply a case of siding with the majority in order to keep up reader levels and advertising fees.

10 April 2014 at 14:52  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Len: "The Atheist is the centre of his little universe and because of his total inability to perceive the spiritual dimension is 'putty in the hands' of the master deceiver the prince of this world."

I bet you have a total inability to perceive Oberon and his faery [1] world too.

[1] No, not that kind.

10 April 2014 at 18:17  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Explorer: "What, in your view, is the origin of the term Political Correctness?"

Political correctness as something distinct and ideological goes back to at least the time of Henry VIII. As for the term, I have a vague memory of the two of us having this conversation in the past and my finding something back to the 1700s. But anyway, where are you going with this? It's almost always used pejoratively either as some sort of satire or as some sort of political bitterness.

10 April 2014 at 18:27  
Blogger The Explorer said...

DanJ0 @ 18:27

I don't recall the 1700's connection, or the conversation. (You may well be right though: we've talked about a lot.)

Your comment of 18:40 of "some sort of existence and pedigree" makes the Frankfurt School and its influence sound quite minimalist.

But if the Frankfurt School is accepted as the originator of Political Correctness in its modern sense (as applied to the failure of Marxist theory in World War One, and the need to re-define the class war), especially via Marcuse once he had moved to America, then the Frankfurt School has been extremely influential, and has an influence that is still ongoing.

10 April 2014 at 19:12  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Explorer: "Your comment of 18:40 of "some sort of existence and pedigree" makes the Frankfurt School and its influence sound quite minimalist."

Undoubtedly we get loads of cultural crap from the Merkins but I struggle to see this as a directed revolutionary thing. For the most part, it seems to be about consciously avoiding negative labels, such as "the handicapped" i.e. fairly trivial stuff. It's been tied into a wider way of thinking now, perhaps satirically, where one can be guilty of cultural heresy but I'm inclined to think that's inevitable in our global world since the 1950s.

Some people think that George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four is just around the corner because people prefer "disabled" or "challenged" to "handicapped" these days. I wonder whether those people have actually read Nineteen Eighty Four because the actual process is quite different even though nominally they're both about changing thoughts by changing language.

10 April 2014 at 20:48  
Blogger The Explorer said...

DanJ0 @ 20:48

Nietzsche would have despised PC for aligning itself with society's losers; and insofar as there is an element of genuine compassion I think PC has done some social good.

The driving force, though, as I understand it, was/is to counteract the politically incorrect response of Europe's workers in WWI when they aligned with nation instead of class.

To enable a politically-correct response, the nation must first be subverted by destroying religion, patriotism and the patriarchal family unit.

It was Marcuse who said that the post-industrial situation of the West called for a new form of class war: various minorities against the patriarchal hegemony.

Once the patriarchy is finally overthrown, and Capitalism is finally defeated, the original Marxist economic revolution can finally be implemented.

That's the line I've been following on this thread. Multiculturalism is an incidental ally of PC because it, too, attacks the idea of the nation; but its intellectual pedigree is different.

10 April 2014 at 21:39  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Explorer :Once the patriarchy is finally overthrown, and Capitalism is finally defeated, the original Marxist economic revolution can finally be implemented."

But who is actually doing all this stuff? Who is driving it? The tin foil hatters love to call people like me "useful idiots" for buying into the idea that someone in a wheelchair is only disabled in as much as their legs don't work, and for not realising that in doing so I'm an unwitting foot soldier for some dark, powerful, revolutionary group plotting society's downfall. Yet in all probability, it's just mostly undirected thinking which is evolving as it goes in a marketplace of ideas as circumstances change.

11 April 2014 at 06:37  
Blogger The Explorer said...

DanJ0:

I'm sure you're right about an element of undirected thinking: ie my example above somewhere of Romanticism.

The directing element would be Gramsci's strategy of "a long march" (echo of Mao) through the institutions of the West. Get control of the organs of opinion: press, other media, schools, universities and subvert them from within.

Marcuse focused on universities with 'Repressive Tolerance'. Drive conservative opinion out of the academy by a mixture of hiring/firing, promotion, and controlled reading lists. From this come the speech codes: good in some respects, but Orwellian in intent. Control what can be thought by the control of what can be said.

Once only politically-correct ideas are available, the next generation will absorb them as a matter of course and the whole process will become self-fulfilling.

It's only fair to say that some types of Christianity have had similar methods.

Would like to continue the discussion, but will be off blog for the next few days. Come back to me on another thread.

Regards.

11 April 2014 at 08:34  
Blogger Len said...

'But who is actually doing all this stuff? Who is driving it?'

Good question.

But we cannot answer that question with getting a look at 'the bigger picture'.
Man was created a neutral spiritual being he could derive his energizing power from the Creator or from 'other spiritual sources.
Satan was cast into darkness 'spiritual darkness' where he lives and rules.
The only way to discern Satan and his intentions properly is through the Word of God.There is no other way!.
So Satan works through the hearts of men who are in direct rebellion against the Creator.We have never seen such evil as in the last Century in the history of the World and as God withdraws(unwillingly) then Satan gains more authority as he takes up the ground left vacant.

There are groups of people throughout history who have reversed the roles of God and Satan and see Satan as the 'good guy' and God as evil and want to depose the one and to instate the other.There have been people throughout history who motivated by lust for power and control who have been energized by evil spiritual beings to pursue what they though were their 'own agendas' but were being used by spiritual forces much as puppets.
Hitler is a prime example of this in action.Hitler was responsible for the deaths of millions of people and ultimately( when he was of no longer use) killed himself.
We see this pattern repeated over and over again the 'Columbine killers 'are another example there are thousands more.





11 April 2014 at 08:41  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Len: "But we cannot answer that question with getting a look at 'the bigger picture'."

Feel free to present the smaller picture too by naming names. I feel I can ignore the fairy tale version, myself

12 April 2014 at 10:53  
Blogger Len said...

fairy tale ...how original...

12 April 2014 at 16:21  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Go on Len, attach your spooky tales to the real world and present some names. I don't care if you think they're agents of your devil, I'm just interested in who the bloody hell these people are who have such control.

12 April 2014 at 19:10  
Blogger Len said...

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13 April 2014 at 13:30  
Blogger Len said...

Danjo ,
A good place to start would be the old adage' follow the money'.
ww.realworldorder.net

You won`t need any tin foil wrapped around your head to take a look at this website but feel free to apply some if you really want to.

13 April 2014 at 16:21  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

LOL!

13 April 2014 at 19:36  

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