Sunday, May 25, 2014

Australian Army: "Catholics need not apply"



Presumably, there are no Muslims serving in the Australian Army.

Or are they exempt from mandatory attendance at the Mardi Gras?

66 Comments:

Blogger Nick said...

I suspect that this was a knee-jerk reaction by the military rather than official policy. As we know, discrimination against Christians is more likely to be an arbitrary, silent process than an open one. It seems the ADF didn't expect Major Gaynor to go public on this. He is quite right to force the ADF to clarify their "policy" piblicly, it cannot be left as an arbitrary issue whether religious belief precludes joining the army. Good luck to him on that. Either way, the ADF is going to be made to look very stupid indeed. Can't believe the ADF are made to march at gey "pride" rallies. What a laughing stock!

25 May 2014 at 12:03  
Blogger Len said...

Perhaps the ADF have something like 'In the army' in mind with an all singing dancing soldiers performing a' camp' routine?.

Christianity has always grown under persecution perhaps this is the way forward?.

25 May 2014 at 12:08  
Blogger William Lewis said...

Good on him. There seems to be a common theme of underhand tactics, lies and deceipts by which gay marriage is being enacted and enforced around the world by our "enlightened" masters.

25 May 2014 at 12:21  
Blogger William Lewis said...

deceits

25 May 2014 at 12:31  
Blogger Nick said...

As a light-hearted view, this could be the future of the ADF, if YG will permit me to post a link.....

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=monty+python+gay+soldier+parade&qpvt=monty+python+gay+soldier+parade&FORM=VDRE#view=detail&mid=A0FEF63164B7EB0424DEA0FEF63164B7EB0424DE

25 May 2014 at 12:34  
Blogger Len said...

Nick,(25 May 2014 12:34)
LOL.

25 May 2014 at 12:45  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Looks like the Chief of the Australian Army staff is about to offered a very attractive early retirement package that he will be told by his political masters he would be a fool to turn down, as they would have it.

An army officer CAN refuse a direct order, but only if it can be considered illegal. That’s his position. Being told to order his men to queer is in this man’s opinion one such occasion.

But the responsibility falls to the general, and it is the general who ultimately is going to suffer the indignation of being told to clear his desk. It will be done on the quiet of course, after the event. Don’t want to upset the shirt lifters while they are in vogue...

25 May 2014 at 12:45  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

Where does this leave The Royal Australian Army Chaplains Department?

25 May 2014 at 12:52  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

We should all take comfort in the knowledge that the present glorification and promotion of homosexuality will eventually run it’s course. Man without God is proving to be such a corrupt animal, don’t you find.

The seeds of this happening are already out there. We have now the first generation of children whose sad fate was to be ‘adopted’ by gay couples. On reaching adulthood, it is somewhat inevitable that many of these children are going to be maladjusted, for they will have endured a form of state sanctioned abuse. Can we who follow Cranmer honestly say that we are robust enough to withstand the pressures of the mind the children will endure. May God have mercy on their innocent souls as to what may happen to them in their lifetimes.

For a lifestyle involving the revolting, unhygienic, and mentally unstable practices of anus sex, promiscuity, infidelity, pornography and drug abuse, there can be no other long term eventuality. It will be for the young again to point out these self deluding emperors have no clothes. The adults being seemingly mesmerised by our new found ‘freedoms’...

25 May 2014 at 13:10  
Blogger Shadrach said...

We must make a stand against the aggressive agenda of the LGBT brigade. Not just them but all sexual immorality, otherwise we are discriminating.

25 May 2014 at 14:34  
Blogger Philip said...

Isn't there a conservative govt in Oz? Therefore,

1) what is that conservative govt going to do about this.

2) how can the army imply forcing its soldiers to march in a march in support of gay 'marriage' march is govt policy when the govt is opposed to it?

25 May 2014 at 15:57  
Blogger Shadrach said...

Up until recently one could hire an Army Band. My son had a Welsh Guards Band for his wedding. All very nice but I wonder if soon they will only play at venues that are all inclusive and therefore not at Christian Weddings or other events.

On the subject of marches, The 'March for Jesus' began in London in 1987. In 1994 the first Global March for Jesus covered every time zone and involved over ten million Christians from over 170 nations. It is estimated that, by the final Global March for Jesus on 10 June 2000, over 60 million people in 180 nations had taken part in the March for Jesus. (Wikipedia)
How many would we get for a March for Jesus in London now? A couple of thousand at best probably.

Some Christians around the World are still holding a 'March for Jesus' on Jesus Day, usually the Saturday before Pentecost Sunday.

25 May 2014 at 16:07  
Blogger Albert said...

One wonders whether, when they fought in WWs I & II, whether your average Aussie soldier thought this was what he was fighting for.

If you're a Catholic (or other kind of orthodox Christian or Orthodox Jew or Muslim or anyone who's noticed teleology is inbuilt into nature) living in Australia, how confident would you be in General Hurley defending your freedom.

P.S. I'm guessing Australia's Head of State also disagrees with General David Hurley.

25 May 2014 at 16:30  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "It will be for the young again to point out these self deluding emperors have no clothes."

But, my, are they well hung! :O

25 May 2014 at 16:41  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Hands off - the name Barmy Army is ours!

25 May 2014 at 16:51  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Rather an ignominious end to what was once the southern part of the Imperial British Army.

An it’s somewhat appropriate that DanJ0 presents his irreverent self as present if not correct. It’s all being done for him and his kind, apparently...

25 May 2014 at 16:59  
Blogger IanCad said...

I'm sure he Chinese have noted this.

A vast resource rich continent.
Under populated. Made soft through plenty.

Could be taken at any time.

25 May 2014 at 17:02  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "An it’s somewhat appropriate that DanJ0 presents his irreverent self as present if not correct. It’s all being done for him and his kind, apparently..."

Our kind, Inspector. ;)

25 May 2014 at 18:30  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Those blasted Roman Catholic consciences, they do seem to trouble people so very publically at times. But what I don't really understand in all this is why the armed forces are taking part in a Mardi Gras.

25 May 2014 at 18:33  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Also, that Michael Voris fella in the clip seems like a bit of a nob. A Roman Catholic version of Richard Dawkins, really.

25 May 2014 at 18:38  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

This report was not a paragon of journalistic virtue (admittedly a low standard.) Major Gaynor was not ordered to attended the Mardi Gras. His official complaint specifically states that participation was voluntary. And the "bullying girly men" was completely out of line. The report hurt his credibility a little.

carl

25 May 2014 at 18:59  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

In this post modern world, religion has been consigned to the super-set of self-created realities. It can co-exist with the modern world so long as it recognizes the place set aside for it. That place specifically prohibits the assertion of binding universal truth claims. People get in trouble when they violate that prohibition. To be intolerant is to deny the self-created reality of another based upon the self-created reality you espouse. That's why Christians like this Major get in trouble. He is told he must act as if his religion is true only for him. But that is in effect a demand to deny his own faith. Hence the conflict.

carl

25 May 2014 at 19:11  
Blogger David Hussell said...

I feel that the Major was absolutely right to force this unfair treatment into the open. His views and beliefs, part of the mainstream of western thought and morality for many centuries, are entirely correct. Bullying by the kind of zealous politically motivated people behind this man's troubles must be resisted by all committed Christians and members of other faith groups. I wish the Major well.

25 May 2014 at 19:28  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

One has said it before, and like much of the Inspector’s findings, if not quite all of them, it’s worth saying again. Sure you all agree.

“The Army should have total freedom to recruit whomever they want, free from political correct niceties. The idea that the armed services should be some kind of employment opportunity for openly gay men is damn absurd. How bloody good are they at soldiering and, most importantly, gelling with their colleagues is what counts !”

{GRUFF GRUNT}


25 May 2014 at 19:35  
Blogger Albert said...

Carl,

That place specifically prohibits the assertion of binding universal truth claims.

I'd prefer that to read:

That place absolutely prohibits the assertion of absolute binding universal truth claims.

It brings out the incoherence a little better.

25 May 2014 at 19:36  
Blogger Len said...

What we are coming to now is who do we obey the laws of man or our Christian conscience?.

If one is ordered by a superior to carry out a command do we obey or disobey.(this is hypothetical)

I think it quite clear that a Christian should obey the Holy Spirit and accept whatever the consequences of that action are.

25 May 2014 at 19:43  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Albert

The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.

The most interesting thing the Major said was that the efforts in the Middle East floundered because we don't understand what it means to fight a religious war, and we have no contrary ideology with which to oppose it. To win, you must defeat the religious worldview opposing you. That requires a contrary worldview more coherent than what the West currently fields.

carl

25 May 2014 at 19:46  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Len @ 19.43

Christians must obey the laws of man until, they clearly conflict with the laws of God. At that point we diverge from the world, and follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Disagreements should not be entered into lightly , but only regarding significant matters of principle based on well thought out and expressed faith positions. I would not attempt to define the two categories in advance, but committed Christians of sound, mature judgement, well versed in the scriptures and the traditions of their Church will be able to readily winnow the wheat from the chaff.

25 May 2014 at 20:31  
Blogger Albert said...

Carl,

It's hard to see how you can win anything when such an incoherent world-view (except for a test of will, of course!).

25 May 2014 at 20:33  
Blogger Roselyn Drake said...

Don't any of these people understand what not discriminating means? After centuries of discrimination the army needs to tell people it doesn't do this any more. This man is a fool thinking a bit of show and tel is meaning he is queer. The army is better off without him.

25 May 2014 at 20:33  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Opinions sought,

On the video, for the first time, I heard the term "Cathophobic" used - a phobia about Catholics. Should we gain leverage by widening this to the clearer, Christianphobic" ? It's easer to pronounce and includes more who of those who regard Jesus as Lord.

Comments invited.

25 May 2014 at 20:39  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

David H: "On the video, for the first time, I heard the term "Cathophobic" used - a phobia about Catholics."

I quite like that term. One can foresee lots of pointless mini-threads under newspaper articles about whether it is actually a phobia, just like one sees about homophobia. No doubt, they'll argue on one side that anyone European who knows their history should rationally have a fear of the Roman Catholic church regaining its power. Others will argue that it's just a word meaning undue discrimination in current usage, whatever its etymology.

25 May 2014 at 20:57  
Blogger Thomas Keningley said...

Don't play into their speech codes. The pathologising of opinions is precisely part of the problem of our creeping totalitarianism, the solution will not be achieved by trying to beat them at their own game.

25 May 2014 at 21:01  
Blogger Thomas Keningley said...

Roselyn Drake: His objection was to giving public endorsement to homosexuality, not people thinking he was homosexual.

25 May 2014 at 21:02  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

DanJ0. ”...a fear of the Roman Catholic church regaining its power. “

As Mrs Proudie might say: “Dear sweet thing, the Catholic church is not out to get you, but to comfort you in your troubled life”


25 May 2014 at 21:04  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

No need to follow the Muslims' line in concocted pseudo phobia labels, the prefix 'Anti' has served us well all these years.

25 May 2014 at 21:05  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "As Mrs Proudie might say: “Dear sweet thing, the Catholic church is not out to get you, but to comfort you in your troubled life”"

Inspector, history very much suggests otherwise. The Roman Catholic Church is a political entity seeking to impose its ideology on the rest of us, based on a warped sense of what we all are and how we should all behave.

25 May 2014 at 21:12  
Blogger Roselyn Drake said...

Thomas Keningley the Army is merely advertising that it no longer discriminates against homosexuals.

25 May 2014 at 21:21  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

DanJ0. The temporal ambitions of the Catholic church ended centuries ago. But don’t let that truth spoil a good conspiracy theory.

25 May 2014 at 21:28  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Roselyn Drake, run along dear. The men have much to discuss...

25 May 2014 at 21:32  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector, I may start using the term "Big Catholic" soon. ;)

25 May 2014 at 21:41  
Blogger Roselyn Drake said...

You presumably agree with Queen Victoria on the subject of female homosexuality

25 May 2014 at 21:43  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Roselyn, not to put too fine a point on it, isn’t there some child care you could be carrying out right now ?

25 May 2014 at 21:50  
Blogger Roselyn Drake said...

Inspector General in Ordinary oh dear, I'm sorry, would a little elder care help? Would you like some information on the Australian child care system?

25 May 2014 at 21:57  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

Goodnight all...off to watch the news and see UKIP do well, (Hurrah!) , so we can leave it to our antipodean distant cousins to down tinnies and speak amongst themselves.

A virtual snifter of elderberry port for the Inspector at bedtime. How frightfully decent and kind!

Check it for arsenic Inspector (ASIDE)

25 May 2014 at 22:24  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Thank you all for your advice.

Maybe on balance the phobia label game is best left to others, it being a linguistic device to wrong foot ones adversary if one is lacking reasoned arguments !

25 May 2014 at 22:50  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Thank you all for your advice.

Maybe on balance the phobia label game is best left to others, it being a linguistic device to wrong foot ones adversary if one is lacking reasoned arguments !

25 May 2014 at 22:50  
Blogger Hannah said...

Hi Inspector,

Oh you are being so Inspectorish with Roselyn right now. Me and my girlfriend find you soooo funny and charming, so find it difficult to have a go at you really.

25 May 2014 at 22:53  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

David H, sought opinions on:

"On the video, for the first time, I heard the term "Cathophobic" used - a phobia about Catholics. Should we gain leverage by widening this to the clearer, Christianphobic" ? It's easer to pronounce and includes more who of those who regard Jesus as Lord."

To which Danjo replied:

"The Roman Catholic Church is a political entity seeking to impose its ideology on the rest of us, based on a warped sense of what we all are and how we should all behave."

He's entitled to his opinion. However, maybe he also appreciates its the Catholic Church that represents the most uncompromising theological position on human sexuality. Its a very significant enemy of those with a homosexualist agenda. That's why so many secular atheists and homosexuals attack the Church.

There is no quest for temporal power in order for the Vatican to impose its will in some imagined return to the Inquisition. There is an ongoing re-statement of its moral teachings on sex and a legitimate attempt to influence public opinion and the opinion of politicians.

25 May 2014 at 23:29  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Ps

This part of Danjo's comment is addressed against all Christians: "based on a warped sense of what we all are and how we should all behave."

Believing in the reality of the Judaeo-Christian God forms a "warped sense" of man's purpose and God's plan for us - and instils a fear of nasty consequences.

26 May 2014 at 00:31  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

In all probability, what I wrote is the truth and I feel I ought to point it out. I hate to think of people wasting their lives following a bizarre and controlling ideology in most cases simply because of what their parents are or were. That bus advert should be everywhere, out of a love of humanity.

26 May 2014 at 06:09  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

The same applies to Islam too, of course, though it's not centrally controlled as with the Roman Catholic Church. These ideologies need to be challenged daily.

26 May 2014 at 06:16  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Until some narcissistic sonofabitch with a gun gets pissed because he can't get laid, and decides to take it out on who ever he happens to walk by him on the street. He makes his suffering significant in his own eyes with six random lives, and then kills himself - for what had he to fear from divine retribution - and we are left with YouTube videos of the killer. Except for the families of the dead to whom all justice is denied. There is nothing but an awful sense of pointlessness. Of a life snuffed out so another could make someone care about his problems.

God's probably dead so relax and enjoy yourself. Unless your kid encounters that maniac with a gun on some random sidewalk and you have to live with the aftermath for the rest of your life. Yeah, just cross your fingers and hope that won't happen.

carl

26 May 2014 at 06:51  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Happy Jack @ 23.29

I try to avoid mere "tribal politics" or for that matter, a "tribal" support of ones own Church just for the sake of it, even when that Church has not got its theology right.

So in that context I agree with you that, within the western Churches, it is the Catholic Church that has the strongest theological position on the nature of man and woman and the purpose of our sexuality, and all that flows from it. So yes, this is why it is attacked with such vigour. The role of the Catholic Church is in these respects much appreciated by me and many other traditional protestants. I also much appreciate the equally sound position of the Orthodox Church of course.

There are sections of the Church of England, where the theology, a complementary understanding of the nature of man and woman is employed, which is also clear and traditional, and in practice very close, parallel you could say, to that of the Catholic Church. But we are still in a minority, although a growing one, and are ignored, perhaps thankfully.

26 May 2014 at 08:21  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

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26 May 2014 at 08:59  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

David H: "So yes, this is why it is attacked with such vigour."

It's a foreign power which tries hard to influence our politics at times. Our very history leads us to treat it with suspicion. Heck, even our constitution carries that legacy. One might say that the suspicion is part of our traditional British way of life. We can look at Ireland to see its hegemony and effects when it takes hold, though thankfully the people there are choosing to free themselves too as time goes on.

26 May 2014 at 09:01  
Blogger Tom Mushroom said...

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26 May 2014 at 09:35  
Blogger Tom Mushroom said...

Danjo

So are a Protestant atheist, then?

26 May 2014 at 09:36  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Tom: "So are a Protestant atheist, then?"

Well, I was loosely brought up in the CofE so perhaps I'm an Anglican a-theist if you like.

26 May 2014 at 09:47  
Blogger Albert said...

DanJo,

One minute you say Catholicism is an ideology that needs to be challenged daily, the next you say:

Our very history leads us to treat it with suspicion. Heck, even our constitution carries that legacy. One might say that the suspicion is part of our traditional British way of life.

And you thereby show you have been duped by a load of Tudor (!) propaganda!

26 May 2014 at 10:08  
Blogger Len said...

Best to avoid all the propaganda(religious and otherwise) and go by the Word of God.

26 May 2014 at 10:28  
Blogger Albert said...

Quite so Len! Glad to see you coming round to the Catholic way of thinking!

26 May 2014 at 10:37  
Blogger Len said...

By' Catholic' I assume you mean the Universal Church of God Albert not the Roman thing?.

26 May 2014 at 10:43  
Blogger Albert said...

One and the same, Len!

26 May 2014 at 10:44  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

It seems like arguments from our traditional British way of life aren't that popular when used in some situations rather than others. Heh.

26 May 2014 at 11:24  
Blogger Harry-ca-Nab said...

Fascinating.

Does that mean that Muslim soldiers are forced to attend. Or Feminist soldiers at ProLife rallies. Or gays attend catholic mass, mosques or celebrations of heterosexuality?

Given the high percentage of Catholics in Australia they could be in some difficulty - maybe they should call in all the gays in a draft to replace outgoing Catholics.

That really should scare the taliban!!

26 May 2014 at 14:13  

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