Wednesday, May 21, 2014

Ukip if you want to, but only Conservatives can deliver change

As we prepare to cast our votes in the Euro Elections of 2014, there is no doubt that this has been the most fractious, fraught and fascinating campaign probably in the whole (brief) history of elections to the European Parliament. Most polls have Ukip poised to win a stunning victory, reflecting (according to Ukip), a general discontent with the aloof and unaccountable oligarchical governance to which we are routinely subject, and which we are powerless to affect. While that's undoubtedly part of the 'Farage against the Machine' appeal, the reasons for Ukip's surge are actually more complex and nuanced, seemingly reflecting a general cynicism and deeper discontent with our institutions of state if not the whole political system which has ceased to be responsive to the concerns of the British people.

The European Union is bureaucratic, opaque, inefficient, incompetent, corrupt and anti-democratic. Peter Oborne of The Telegraph goes further, calling it a "criminal organisation". In response, the 'mainstream' parties advocate engagement to effect change; Ukip sees the whole project as completely unreformable, and we would quite simply be better off out.

After 40 years in the euro wilderness, you'd think the cartel of corruption would be self-evident to all who have eyes to see. It is perplexing and intensely frustrating when people do not see the world quite as we do, but diatribes of irritation and patronising abuse persuade no one. And, regretfully, there's too much of that from both sides.

The rise of Ukip is entirely the fault of the establishment parties: they long ago ceased to offer real choice in their mainfestos, and the people are increasingly discontent with the interminable tinkering at the peripheries of politics. And when it comes to the EU, all rivalries are invariably set aside to rig whatever votes are necessary to ensure that the juggernaut merrily rolls on to its pre-ordained end. The teleology of "ever closer union" is immutable: to believe in it with all one's heart, soul and mind is to have reached the seventh circle of enlightenment; to have attained the superior knowledge and insight of the political elite who have moulded the political parties in their image, and who rule the hollow corridors of our perishing democracy.

You may think that Nigel Farage - fag between fingers and pint in hand - is more in touch with your concerns and the pressing needs of wider society. You may believe that Ukip is pursing a purer form of politics and restoring meaning to democracy. It is certainly true that Ukip membership grows while the other parties are being deserted in droves. But it would be a profound error to conflate popularity with righteousness, or mistake arty sophistry for wisdom.

Ukip can no more change policy in the EU than the Conservatives: the PR system of election and QMV system of voting are designed to ensure that the Union will achieve its ends, whatever the expressed discontent of the people. And should those pesky national populations become recalcitrant, the Oligarchy nullifies democracy and appoints regional governors to bypass national democracy and ensure compliance, as we have seen in Italy and Greece. In that sense, it really doesn't matter who you vote for: British MEPs are just actors in a political façade designed to ape the parliamentary process and delude the electorate into believing that democracy matters. It doesn't, and it was never designed to from its very Monnet-Schuman inception. What do the people know about the economy? How can they possibly make sound judgments on social policy? What do they understand of justice? How can they grasp the imperatives of immigration and supranationalism?

No, in all these areas and more, policy must be left to the guardians and philosopher-kings. As Harold Macmillan prophesied, we have overthrown the divine right of kings to fall down for the divine right of experts. And these anti-democratic guardians and philosopher-kings are anonymous, unaccountable and immovable. You may justifiably hold them in contempt, but voting Ukip will not make them known, or accountable, or unfix them from their castles and courts.

David Cameron leads a Conservative Party which is pledged to offer the first referendum on Britain's EU membership in a generation. Of course, the outcome of this Euro Election has no direct bearing on that, except to say that any weakening of the Conservative Party is more likely to put Ed Miliband into No10, and he is not offering an In/Out referendum. We know that Cameron has his flaws and himself inclines to support EU membership, but, in Augustianian terms, he is the lesser evil of all the base and nefarious powers which seek to exert themselves. Yes, like his MEPs, he is himself impotent to effect change, but he and only he is offering an opportunity for us to deliver change. He did, after all, fulfil his pledge to withdraw Conservative MEPs from the federalist EPP, for which he still endures shame and ridicule.

You may think he's a pathological liar and the Conservative Party simply cannot be trusted. Well, His Grace has suffered the deceit and poisonous slanders of both, and yet he can still see that the only way to escape the malign Euro-morass is to pinch his nose and support the only party which is offering a solution. Compromise often grates on the conscience, but, in the absence of righteous governance and pure motive, it is a necessary part of the human social contract.

Certain people are saying that no Christian can support Ukip. Those who are propagating this lie tend to belong to the religious or political elites who are directly responsible for the perpetuation of the whole artificial construct, and who somehow benefit from its existence (or hope to). The greater truth is that no democrat can support the European Union. Those who have come to understand this fact appreciate how urgent it is for Britain to reclaim its liberty, revive its Parliament and restore its democracy.

This is not a partisan feud or a trivial left-right squabble. It transcends tribal allegiances because it cuts to the heart of what it means to be free. You are free to vote Ukip, and that is your democratic right. But, for as long as we are in the EU, that freedom is an illusion and that democratic right a pretence. Ukip cannot hasten UK secession because they will never form a government and Nigel Farage will never be prime minister. You can make David Cameron squirm and sweat, and you can enjoy his embarrassment and discomfort, but that infantile pleasure is ephemeral and risks damning the nation to an eternity of EU decrees, binding diktats and unaccountable political lobbying, leading ultimately to our inescapable abasement in a United States of Europe.
"Our constitution cannot be reduced to a mere treaty for co-operation between governments. Anyone who has not yet grasped this fact deserves to wear the dunce's cap."
(Valéry Giscard d'Estaing, President of the European Convention, 29th May 2003).


Blogger William Lewis said...

Your Grace

I have half-heartedly voted UKIP for the last two General Elections. However, I have never been more convinced of the importance of voting for them at these European Elections. Mr Farage has been allowed to speak to the people for a while now and they are beginning to wake-up and remember what democracy is supposed to be about. He and UKIP now need a leg-up. I won't be holding my nose while I give it to them.

21 May 2014 at 08:21  
Blogger Curmudgeon said...

Surely the very act of throwing a pebble in the pond by voting UKIP actually help to hasten UK secession. Otherwise it is a counsel of despair.

21 May 2014 at 08:30  
Blogger Jim McLean said...

Excellent article. I don't think YG realises how deeply the scars run, though. For so many people, David Cameron (and the others) are simply seen as career politicians who use their advisors to come up with assurances and statements which are aimed only at securing their vote.

If David Cameron wrote to me personally, promising to give me £1m if he reneged on his promise of a referendum, I would still feel that there was a catch. That is how deep the suspicion and apathy is for those establishment politicians.

Part of Farage and UKIP's popularity are - for a small part at least - due to the fact that there seems to be more passion and conviction than career aspiration.

21 May 2014 at 08:57  
Blogger JimS said...

It is precisely because voting UKIP will have no effect on the EU parliament that we should vote for them, they can do no harm even if they were to be all hard line fruitcakes and 'racists'.
What might happen though, if the non-liberal, non democrats are wiped out and the so-called conservative and labour parties are given a good kicking, is that their pro-EU leadership is removed and replaced by pro-UK leaders instead.
UKIP is our only hope.

21 May 2014 at 09:00  
Blogger PrincessofWails said...

Your Grace

I agree with all previous commentators. It may well be that voting Conservative may be necessary next year; my guess is that Labour will suddenly have a Damascene moment. Meanwhile, stuck in a Rotten Borough, my only hope is to vote UKIP tomorrow.

21 May 2014 at 09:30  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Your Grace,

Whilst I agree with much of your analysis, I am surprised and disappointed by your defeatism.

Ukip, and the other anti-EU parties in other EU countries, do not need to form a Westminster Government to remove us from the EU. But they do need to foremost, build up their own strength, and thereby edge, force the other mainstream parties towards their position, and that is what is happening in fits and starts.

Dave will be replaced by a more vigorous pro-British leader and then a deal may emerge, indeed the possibility of joint candidates for Parliamentary elections, has been agreed by Farage already, and that is with any party, not just Conservative.

Clearly Ukip need to be fast on their feet and opportunistic. They are therefore not going to reveal the full range of the conditions that could create opportunities for more damage to be done to the main parties, not for its own sake, but to create openings for deals and so on, advantageous to the OUT scenario. Reacting to opportunities wins battles as well as thorough prior preparation.

To be blunt we either have to secure a democratic withdrawal or leave future generations not just debt saddled, but facing the distinct possibility of a need for, eventually, at the present rate of deterioration, less than ideal and democratic methods for effecting change. I would prefer to work for a democratic change and not dwell too deeply on the other possibilities.

As for the "Christians should not vote Ukip", that line is frankly, ludicrous, revealing a deep absence of understanding as to the nature, philosophy, intentions and eventual end state of the EU itself. It is a secular, deeply anti-Christian totalitarian project. How do such politically blind people reach such high positions in Churches? It contrasts strongly with Jesus' streetwise, intuitive, grasp of human nature and therefore his ready political awareness. I support Ukip because I am a Christian.

21 May 2014 at 09:32  
Blogger dav phi said...

WE are where we are because of Labour and Conservative. That is the reason they do not deserve my vote. I will be voting UKIP, not because I believe they can change the map but because I want to register an opinion.

21 May 2014 at 09:46  
Blogger John Wrake said...

Your Grace,

Pinning your hopes on the provision of a referendum to enable us to leave the European Union and moreover, trusting a Conservative government led by David Cameron to provide it, presupposes a Conservative win in 2015 and ignoring the change in the rules due on 1 November this year.

It is time to review a few facts.

We do have a written Constitution, which specifically de-bars this nation from being ruled by any foreign power. The fact that previous governments of this country have acted unconstitutionally in order to join and maintain our membership of this ungodly and undemocratic club is not a matter of opinion, but of fact. As such, our membership is unlawful and expressions of opinion unnecessary. We are not to be governed by Treaty, but according to our Constitution.

We are constantly told that no government can be bound by acts of its predecessors - the excuse offered by those purporting to change the way we are governed in relation to Constitutional Law.
We do not need a referendum to reject the treaty signed by Heath in 1972, which was founded on a lie about loss of sovereignty and has the nature of treason.

What is needed is a Parliament composed of honest and patriotic people, wedded to the purpose of upholding the rights and privileges of those who have given them power and with the courage to stand up to the bullying and lies which presently mark the European Union.

John Wrake.

21 May 2014 at 10:00  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Cranmer, your despair & defeatism is self perpetuating. And your tribal allegiance to the conservatives is as frustrating as it is foolish.

Your stubborn refusal to support AV - thereby perpetuating our ridiculous 2 party system (or actually, one party with two colours) was also indicative of that.

The lie that "Only Con/Lab" can deliver change so any other vote is wasted is folly of the utmost. And as long as you believe that, and preach that, that will be reality.

However, revolutions do occur. And they occur when enough people believe they can occur. Bring on the revolution.

Each successive victory for UKIP brings greater momentum. It sends out stronger & stronger signals.

I will never vote Lib/Lab/Con again. I wonder just what it will take before you ever break your allegiance to the conservatives.

How any Christian in good conscience vote for any of the 3 main parties is beyond me. They are morally & spiritually bankrupt.

21 May 2014 at 10:03  
Blogger Irene's Daughter said...

dav phi is so right. The EU election is an opportunity for the people to voice their discontent - not just in Britain but right across Europe. We all know that EMPs have no real power and that the European Parliament is just a facade of democracy. But if enough of us vote for anti EU parties, the pompous bigwigs might just hear and be sufficiently frightened of losing their status to dissolve the whole EU machine before Europe explodes.

21 May 2014 at 10:05  
Blogger Len said...

A brilliant article if I might say so Your grace.
It seems that a small group of elites with a definite end time agenda have created a' Frankenstein type' monster in the European Union and let it loose and there is no means to restrain or to reason with it.
This was created in deception and grew in deceit.It is growing in power and consuming nations identities and freedoms.
Christians can only watch in horror and wait until God`s judgement eventually falls upon it.

21 May 2014 at 10:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reforming the EU is an impossibility. Attempts at renegotiation are doomed and it is deceitful for Cameron to pretend otherwise. The UKIP phenomenon isn't about reform its about Independence. We have no illusions about EU tyranny or the legislative powerlessness of elected MEP's but large numbers of eurosceptics can and will disrupt proceedings and expose the sham for what it is. Van Damprag, Baroness Ashphalt and the rest of the circus will be mercilessly pilloried on YouTube and shredded by on-line alternative news outlets all year round.

If the elite are under the illusion that after thowing an electoral hissy-fit, the plebs will quieten down and go back to providing tax income for their expense fiddling pockets they are in for a shock. We are fed up with being taxed, regulated, cheated, lied to, spied on, insulted, smeared, patronised, and colonised. We want our europhile ruling class kicked out of office and replaced by patriots. Voting UKIP tomorrow is merely the start of a very long and bitter struggle, but we are going to get out of the EU even if we have to fight our way out.

21 May 2014 at 10:20  
Blogger Pèter Grimes said...

A good answer, but unfortunately to the wrong question. No sane person doubts the ability of a Conservative government to sort out Europe.

The question you should ask is "will they"?

Given that we are constantly told by the political class, of all stripes, what we SHOULD think about Europe, I think most people who oppose EU membership [at least under the current terms], believe the answer to that question to be "no".

That is why a lot of people will be voting UKIP tomorrow

21 May 2014 at 10:29  
Blogger IanCad said...

Ok! I'll try to look on the bright side.

UKIP does well. So well in fact that the CP will have to look for another leader.

One who will negotiate our way out of the EU. In concert with other like minded members of the federation.

But! Please! No more talk of a referendum.

21 May 2014 at 10:46  
Blogger Ars Hendrik said...

This is a heartfelt plea from an old Tory, but what you seem to ignore is that Cameron, even if he wins the 2015 election, will embark upon a completely pointless and doomed attempt to 'renegotiate' our membership – something I am sure you will acknowledge will fail. He will then offer a referendum to the people; a referendum that he, with the full weight of government, will campaign against – he had already said this.

I am not stupid enough to think that stockbroker-belt Farage (fag or not) in 'my kind of bloke'. What I want his party to do, in the election on Thursday, is to deliver a man-sized kick in the groin to the other parties, Cameron's in particular.

I agree with you that 'Ukip can no more change policy in the EU than the Conservatives' – very true. But they are not promising to do that. What they want to do is walk away from the whole mess and reassert our independence as a free nation that makes its own laws and controls its own borders.

For me this is not personal – I have no desire to see Cameron 'squirm and sweat' and would derive no 'infantile pleasure' from doing so. That is not the point – I am not voting UKip to punish the Tories, I am going to vote UKip because I am utterly sick of having absolutely no alternative to the pro-Euro parties (Conservatives included) who are already pledged to 'damning the nation to an eternity of EU decrees, binding diktats and unaccountable political lobbying…' We are in this nightmare already and Cameron is in no way forceful enough to do anything about it.

21 May 2014 at 10:58  
Blogger graham wood said...

John Wrake. A very good post and expresses my long held belief.
You say: "We do have a written Constitution, which specifically de-bars this nation from being ruled by any foreign power."
But our Constitution has long been ignored by our political class, except when it suits them to quote the word "unconstitutional"
The Petition and Bill of Rights were specifically drafted to save us from the repetition of despotic government.
Both of these are still extant LAW and should direct all government policies - now subverted by the EU.
As is also the Coronation Oath Act which binds the Sovereign to govern only in accordance with the Constitution.
All of these being constitutional law, it should be needless to point out, cannot be repealed except by the express will and intent of Parliament.
All it requires as you say, is for patriotic MPS to invoke the supremacy of our own Constitution over that of the self appointed EU Mafia, to reassert British sovereignty.

21 May 2014 at 11:13  
Blogger Andrew Hill said...

The three "establishment" parties have had 50 years to prove whether they warrant the trust of the British people. They are all implicated in the deception which took Britain into the EU in the first place, and none of them have ever shown much sign (with the partial exception of the Thatcher years) of backing down from their active parts in the resulting process of stealthily yet ruthlessly bankrupting this country morally and spiritually, as well as having good goes at economic bankruptcy too. I think the warrant for any faith in the Conservative Party has long evaporated, however fine the efforts may be of the excellent individuals who continue to make principled stands within that party.

UKIP may well be a forlorn hope, but as a Christian, I find many more reasons for voting UKIP than for any of the others. The time has surely come for those who share the EU concerns and its impact on Britain to unite under one banner. UKIP is the only one available, and it is gradually rolling out a decent set of wider policies, and maturing beyond its early populism and slogans. UKIP has the only chance of bringing people in from the grass roots, whether of Con, Lab or Lib Dem background. It is significant that UKIP is indeed showing some real signs of such widespread grass-roots support from across the parties. The Conservative Party shows no sign of achieving a real top-down through-and-through EU exit initiative, and even if it did, would never command the wider grass roots support necessary anyway, because of the old tribal instincts.

21 May 2014 at 11:21  
Blogger Simon Cooke said...

Were I planning the "In" campaign for a putative referendum on membership of the EU, I would want Ukip to be the torchbearer for us leaving the union. This is because there's a sufficiently large constituency out there who while not happy with the EU, do not want to be associated with a party they see as xenophobic, even racist.

I am struck by the even-tempered nature of His Grace's post nearly as much as I am struck by the naivity of many commenting - so there'll be 20 or so Ukip MEPs attending a parliament with no power and no sovereignty. This will change nothing - and nor would having four or five Ukip MPs change anything (except, of course, for reducing the likelihood of us not getting a referendum on EU membership).

21 May 2014 at 11:26  
Blogger Sister Tiberia said...

Ars Hendrik said

"I am not stupid enough to think that stockbroker-belt Farage (fag or not) in 'my kind of bloke'. What I want his party to do, in the election on Thursday, is to deliver a man-sized kick in the groin to the other parties, Cameron's in particular."

Frankly, that's why I'm voting UKIP on Tuesday (in defiance of one Northern Irish RC Bishop whom I'm sure will lose no sleep over my decision). I know of no other way to express publicly my feelings about the mess that our career politicians have led us into, I can't stomach voting for any of the Lib-Lab-Con mess and I still have a misguided sense that since women campaigned, went to prison and died for my right to vote, I can't just stay at home. So, that's one more pointless vote for UKIP, because I see no alternative. Democracy is a wonderful thing...

21 May 2014 at 11:32  
Blogger graham wood said...

Cranmer. You say, rightly,

"Ukip can no more change policy in the EU than the Conservatives: the PR system of election and QMV system of voting are designed to ensure that the Union will achieve its ends"

In a word, you have exposed the gigantic bluff which is Cameron's promise of "reform" of the EU, followed by "negotiations" and then a referendum. The bluff is similar to the now infamous words of Edward Heath: "I hardly need assure you that there will be loss of national sovereignty"

As for Cameron's referendum pledge. His bluff should be called: consider:
1. The pledge leaves him a hostage to political fortune. He knows he cannot deliver.
2. Reform of the EU? Not possible for the EU's doctrine of the "occupied field" means that NO meaningful return of powers back to members states is possible without treaty change.
3. Barosso has already stated there will be no new treaty (to accommodate the UK)
4. Even if returned to office Cameron well knows that meaningful "re-negotiation" of our membership status is impossible within a realistic time scale after the 2015 GE.
5. EU politicians have stated clearly that they do not intend to allow the UK concessions denied to them. Why should they?
6. Any referendum result is not binding upon a UK government.
7. The "outers" in a future in/out referendum campaign will be fighting against the combined opposition of the three main parties, big corporations, the Leftie propaganda of the BBC and most of the media.
Cameron knows all this - hence the sop thrown to the faux eurosceptics in his own party and in the country to give the pretence of a "democratic" vote to the people.

21 May 2014 at 11:33  
Blogger Ars Hendrik said...

Simon, no one is saying that voting UKip will lead to a material shift in power in Westminster or the EU.

That is not the expectation of the majority of people posting in favour of a UKip vote.

21 May 2014 at 11:34  
Blogger Rasher Bacon said...

I had the same response as Peter Grimes. There is a difference between what the Conservatives can do, and what they will do.

Their will is key, as it directs their admittedly great capability, for good or evil.

If they have lost their collective spine on this point to UKIP, they will only get it back by being stronger than UKIP (on this point). If they claim to be a democratic party, they must be made to respond to the will of the people. Otherwise that claim is empty and its emptiness goes unchallenged.

I don't like the way that highly educated and well-resourced politicians use their power to peddle nonsense like 'exit will harm British trade'. It might, but it needn't if they were more competent, determined and imaginative in negotiation and preparation.

I should therefore vote UKIP. I wonder how the secession of the plebs could be made to work in modern times....

21 May 2014 at 11:35  
Blogger graham wood said...

Oops. Error.
My last post should read:
The bluff is similar to the now infamous words of Edward Heath: "I hardly need assure you that there will be NO loss of national sovereignty

21 May 2014 at 11:37  
Blogger Ars Hendrik said...

Sister Tiberia - 11:32

I entirely agree that apathy or defeatism is no solution.

No vote is pointless because all of the pointless votes, added together, can speak with a loud voice.

21 May 2014 at 11:37  
Blogger David Hussell said...

John Wrake @ 10.00

Thank you for reminding us of the basic constitutional position.

Freedom based on the rule of law, and our own, British Constitution, will not be trampled on for ever. We will reassert British sovereignty over Britain. We will get out, but it is going to be tough journey.

21 May 2014 at 11:39  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

I will be voting UKIP. I come from a long Conservative line, and have supported the conservatives and electioneered and worked for them many times.

The lack of democracy so well described by His grace, together with those accounts that have not been signed off for-( oh how many years?)- because no accountancy firm will put its reputation on the line, need a strong protest and not a weak one.

Furthermore I am unimpressed by the political and moral calibre of some of the commissioners we have sent out there, trailing financial and other, questions about their actions. People often forget who they are, but most of them would be better suited to incarceration in a different sort of institution, and none of them did we vote in.

I am dismayed at the draining away of truthfulness in Europe and the US. The latest example is the ridiculous situation in Ukraine. It is no real secret that the Russians and Chinese have well understood that the West is trying to surround their borders with missiles. Why else are they now engaged in joint military manouevres? We know that the new govt in Ukraine was an unelected puppet government. We even know that there was an agreement not to extend NATO into ukraine, as even the pretty dreadful Kissinger attests, now being broken. We also know Germany in particular needs good relations with Russia as a pathway to China and for gas. But these facts are only discussed in dribs and drabs in the media, of what used to be a free country which cherished the freedom of the press. Some comment pages now actively censor these easily discoverable truths.

Apparently barely any more is our press really a free press. Partly because pre-emptive wars of aggression which risk third world war are where it is at. We are at the mercy of the self-restraint of a still somewhat totalitarian leader of a nuclear power who boasts of wrestling bears. So far he has shown a restraint and statesmanship and desire not to rock the boat a lot further that have been surprising. But that is a surprise and thanks not one bit to the deliberately provocative Obama and Europe!

We have no choice other than to vote UKIP, who at least tell us the truth.

21 May 2014 at 11:41  
Blogger Sister Tiberia said...

Ars Hendrik

There was a time I too believed that. Now...well, I'm less sure.

21 May 2014 at 11:47  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

The 2014 EU election would be a non-event, less important then the contents of Prince George's latest nappy if not for Farage and UKIP - and that's how MSP would prefer it.

21 May 2014 at 11:57  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...


You miss one very poignant point in your post.

This is NOT the conservative government of Maggie Thatcher, with her at the helm, but David Cameron, the shiny one, the heir to Blair, who will lead this pathetic charade of a re-negotiation of powers.

Nothing of any use will be offered by EU, as the old imperative of divide and conquer will be enforced via diplomacy within.

After this has occurred it will be "Why should Uk be allowed this when we are not" that will echo from each country within this cabal called a Union.

He will come back, tail between legs and put in place with the help of the other parties and MSM a strategy of fear, that leaving would be disastrous for us.

Our only hope of reform is that other countries vote in Anti EU parties such as UKIP, to create a groundswell that FORCES change to all members.


E S Blofeld (with a heavy heart)

21 May 2014 at 12:00  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

I hear what YG is saying but I'm afraid the loathing of Scameron and Blue Labour runs too deep for pinching the nose and voting for these wazzocks and spivs.

I will be at the polling station at 07.00 tomorrow IF ONLY to cast a UKIP vote to give a 2 fingered salute to the liberal left elite who say that if you have a problem with mass immigration you are an evil racist bigot.

I just want to say bollocks to the lot of them. I suspect I am not alone.

21 May 2014 at 12:02  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"Hm.. not many (ie none) of His Grace's communicants agree with his post today on @UKIP vs @Conservatives"

But Your Grace, Simon Cooke and Simon Mason, those paragons of Conservatism DO!!!! * Chortles Madly*

21 May 2014 at 12:06  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

...and Dan Hannan (my favourite Tory along with David Davis who should have been party leader) is praising Cranmer's line on Twitter.

Sorry Dan, the people are too angry and will never have a better chance to say so.

21 May 2014 at 12:17  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

pledged to offer the first referendum on Britain’s EU membership

The legislation for the AV referendum specified the action to be taken in the event of a Yes vote:

The Minister must make an order bringing into force section 9, Schedule 10 and Part 1 of Schedule 12 (‘the alternative vote provisions’) if more votes are cast in the referendum in favour of the answer ‘Yes’ than in favour of the answer ‘No’.

As far as I can tell, the European Union (Referendum) Bill makes no comparable demand in the event of a vote to leave the EU. Whereas the AV referendum was binding on government, the EU referendum would appear not to be.

For 40 years now, in government and opposition, Conservative leaders (including the Blessed Margaret) have deceived the people. Rather than honestly admitting their goal is ‘true European unity’, they have employed lies and subterfuge to bring about ever closer union step by step. To vote Conservative is to condone fraud.

21 May 2014 at 12:21  
Blogger Preacher said...

It seems that UKIP is going to have a field day tomorrow. If they have the result that looks likely, my advice to them would be - don't start to celebrate yet!- You have one year to show us what you are made of. We have given you the chance to show your mettle, you have promised much. Now Prove you can deliver what is needed.

Of all the countries snared by the E.U, I believe that we alone have the courage & tenacity to oppose this boastful, unconstitutional, conspiracy that wishes to impose it's will on all of the Countries of Europe, & to set an example to them, that their exists a way to reject it & re-establish our own & their own democracies & reclaim independence from the E.U.

If the people choose UKIP, it will be up to you Nigel & Co to prove the scoffers & mockers wrong & show us what you can & will do, if the chance arises next year.
Don't let us down!. P.

21 May 2014 at 12:44  
Blogger Irene's Daughter said...

Simon Cooke said
Were I planning the "In" campaign for a putative referendum on membership of the EU, I would want Ukip to be the torchbearer for us leaving the union. This is because there's a sufficiently large constituency out there who while not happy with the EU, do not want to be associated with a party they see as xenophobic, even racist

Actually its the press who are determined to call Ukip xenophobic and racist! And I suspect that the majority now trust the press - and its associated commentators - to speak even less truthfully than politicians.

21 May 2014 at 12:44  
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21 May 2014 at 12:55  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

The UKIP needs to be careful this doesn't become a "We're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it anymore" moment. The dissatisfaction must be carried into elections that can result in change. If you vent all the rage and frustration now, you will have accomplished nothing.


21 May 2014 at 12:56  
Blogger Nick said...

Given David Camerons record on democracy, I wouldn't trust him to honour the result of a referendum on EU membership, especially if it was a "No".

I think it's better to uproot the weed that is our EU membership, from the ground up. The EU has to see that it is deeply unpopular; a vote for the Tories would not send that message.

I don't think anyone can accurately predict what will happen to Britain and the EU in the future; just as none of us could have predicted the demise of marriage at the start of this Parliament.The EU itself could fall apart under the weight of it's own corruption and unpopularity

Without a doubt, I am voting UKIP tomorrow. Their solutions may seem simplistic, but at least they stand for something, which LibLabCon no longer does.

21 May 2014 at 13:16  
Blogger bluedog said...

Your Grace,

Your communicant is convinced that voting Conservative tomorrow would be a great mistake. As previously explained, your communicant had a close relation who was a Conservative MP for thirteen years. Enormously capable and successful, but never a holder of cabinet rank because of an unfashionable tendency to speak his mind, this individual came to despair of the EU at an early stage after UK admission. He knew too much and could see where it would lead. Your communicant was inclined to disagree, being young, naïve and inclined to be idealistic. It must have been around 1994 when a letter arrived containing a card that explained the founding of UKIP and its aims. On the back was written in a familiar hand, 'These people are the only hope. The others will never get us out'.

So true.

21 May 2014 at 13:19  
Blogger Ars Hendrik said...

So far a resounding 'NO' to the sentiments expressed in Cranmer's post.

Cannot remember the last time all of the bloggers here agreed on an issue - a red letter day for Tories who just assume that defectors will obediently return to the fold after they have had their little moan.

I don't think so - not this time.

21 May 2014 at 13:35  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

For me there is only 1 option in who I vote for if I want to see us leave the EU and that is certainly not Conservative. Indeed, both this year and next year the only choice available to me is UKIP.
Sure, "Call Me Dave" may say he will give us a referendum on our membership but I neither trust him no trust in his ability to win an election in order to do so.
Now you may say that UKIP don't have a chance of winning the general election next year, and this may be true. But what they do have is a chance of taking out Labour MPs. You see, I live in Newham. I am in the constituency of Lyn Brown. And I have heard conversations between many who would have normally been Labour through-and-through saying that they will be voting UKIP this week. And if you listen to what Nigel Farage says, and indeed what polling suggests, then we see that voting for UKIP comes from across the spectrum but particularly from the disaffected white working class.
So you see, come 2015 we could well see some major scalps taken by UKIP, not a few of whom could well be those of current Labour MPs. So a vote for UKIP could actually end up making Farage the kingmaker and he could be the only way of holding Cameron to account for the EU referendum.

21 May 2014 at 13:43  
Blogger Maalaistollo said...

G K Chesterton's poem 'The Secret People' is worth re-reading in the present circumstances.

It ends like this (with even a consolatory thought for Nigel Farage should matters not turn out as he and we might hope):

'They have given us into the hand of new unhappy lords,
Lords without anger or honour, who dare not carry their swords.
They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;
They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.
And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
Their doors are shut in the evening; and they know no songs.

We hear men speaking for us of new laws strong and sweet,
Yet is there no man speaketh as we speak in the street.
It may be we shall rise the last as Frenchmen rose the first,
Our wrath come after Russia's wrath and our wrath be the worst.
It may be we are meant to mark with our riot and our rest
God's scorn for all men governing. It may be beer is best.
But we are the people of England; and we have not spoken yet.
Smile at us, pay us, pass us. But do not quite forget.'

21 May 2014 at 13:46  
Blogger Gary said...

Cameron has dragged this country further into the abyss with homosexual marriage, so I, for one, have switched to UKIP.

21 May 2014 at 14:35  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Youthpasta @ 13.43

You can take it from this former Conservative, but now Ukip activist, that Farage is building a party from the entire spectrum of the social groups. It is a treat to see the well-off, the comfortably placed, amongst which I place myself, and the not so comfortably placed, plus lots of Dave's favourite demographic, the hardworking men and women, all rubbing shoulders and cooperating as never before, or at least not since we had National Service, I suspect. There are all ages, creeds and colours too, I will add. All sane, law abiding types are welcome !

21 May 2014 at 15:48  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Ars Hnedrick @ 13.35

I agree.

The joy and beauty of this blog is that we enjoy civilised, informed disagreements as a rule. But I have never seen almost all, the overwhelming majority disagreeing with His Grace so utterly, too. But we all make mistakes, I say mischievously !

21 May 2014 at 15:51  
Blogger John Wrake said...

Your Grace,

One further thought on the subject of the unconstitutional nature of our membership of the European Union.

There has been much comment and discussion of the wrongs of government policy since 1972 and even references to the fact that such policies in relation to the E.U. have been ratified by the Queen.

It should not be forgotten that unconstitutional legislation dates back to the Liberal Government of Asquith.

It was the Parliament Act of 1911 which stripped the House of Lords of its power to influence the passage of government finance Bills, thus removing one of the constitutional restraints on an over-powerful House of Commons. At the same time, it effectively destroying the power of the monarch to exercise the Royal Prerogative by refusing to ratify unconstitutional legislation.

It is not Her Majesty the Queen who has ratified treasonous treaties and changed the meaning of marriage, for She has been denied Her rightful place in the government of this nation. The Royal Prerogative is now claimed to be Parliamentary prerogative and major checks on misgovernment are no longer in place.

We need a return to constitutional probity. Neither Conservative, Labour, nor Liberal Democrat parties will supply it.

John Wrake.

21 May 2014 at 15:57  
Blogger William Lewis said...

This election advert caught my eye on His Grace's home page and gives an idea of the amount of money that would be thrown at us by the EU elite were we to get a referendum. If Cameron was also campaigning for IN then it shows just what we would be up against. I do not believe that Cameron would ever deliver us from the EU.

21 May 2014 at 15:57  
Blogger Shadrach said...

I think Dave must have Cranmers ear!

You may think he's (Dave) a pathological liar and the Conservative Party simply cannot be trusted.

Christian Concern said today 'David Cameron has undermined Christianity in this country' say 1 in 3 voters. Their whole message can be read here.

Cranmers Post is the cry of a man sinking in to quicksand. He has one arm and his head just out and his last cry is 'Vote Conservative' not 'Help save us'

UKIP may be a party of odds and sods but it heralds the view of the majority today. It will not affect the outcome of anything but as others have said it will show the voice of the people.

Nothing will change until next year and Cranmer is wright that no other party is interested in exiting the EU but then neither is the Tories. You can't trust them with a referendum as they fiddled the figures of petitions and formal consultations to get the answer they wanted.

any weakening of the Conservative Party is more likely to put Ed Miliband into No10

We can't continue to vote in fear.
At the moment there is no alternative but Dave must go (to the tower preferably).

21 May 2014 at 16:00  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Ars Hendrik

What I want his party to do, in the election on Thursday, is to deliver a man-sized kick in the groin to the other parties, Cameron's in particular.

That’s what’s called a protest vote, I believe, and there’s nothing wrong with that, as far as it goes. But a vote for Ukip can surely achieve more than that.

Dave must have realised by now that taking the Tories out of Angela Merkel’s EPP was a tactical error, even though it may be quite true that it was a move he was forced to make. His makeshift replacement, the European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR), seems to be fast approaching the end of its natural lifespan. When that happens, the Tories will be left without a natural home in the European Parliament. Our Nige, in contrast, has at least two influential partners in Europe, Marine Le Pen and Geert Wilders, neither of whom is a mouth-frothing neo-fascist like Jobbik or Golden Dawn, any more than Nige himself is.

Conclusion: Within the narrow bounds of the European Parliament, Nige is poised to become a bigger man than Dave. It’ll be up to him to play his cards right, though, to convert his potential strength into concrete results.

21 May 2014 at 16:40  
Blogger Owl said...

"pledged to offer the first referendum on Britain’s EU membership"

Another caste iron pledge.

YG, I sometimes dispair when in any run up to an election, you suddenly revert to a supporter of Dave (as only he can change things).

Please understand, Dave isn't going to change anything.

Dave is going to feel the iron fist inside the velvet glove.

I refer to the long frustrated and angry british population which has had more than enough.

I think you also underestimate how deep seated this anger is.

Dave and co. are going to get used to the word "NO".

We'll deal with the "elites" in due course.

As an Irishman, it seems that I have more faith in the British than you do. It just takes a long time for them to get angry enough.

Other than that, please keep up the brilliant work. It is greatly appreciated.

21 May 2014 at 16:40  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Anti UKIP Political campaigning by proxy and funded by our taxes.

21 May 2014 at 17:53  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Owl @ 16.40

I agree with your post but would draw attention to the fact that "anger" which is being used as a damning criticism of Ukip supporters, is not I argue, such a terrible thing, if channelled appropriately. But the British are, for cultural reasons, afraid of it, and I include myself as having had that sort of upbringing. However this can result in others failing to grasp the depths of our reactions to something, and therefore pressing ahead with it. Controled vocalised anger has perhaps, a social use, in preventing violence? Discuss if you know more about this than myself - I am conjecturing here.

Jesus taught (Len, do use your formidable Biblical memory) that anger was one thing but that it should not lead to sin, implying violence or something equally, normally undesirable.

Those are my off the cuff thoughts, for what they are worth. As I said, I don't pretend to be a social psychologist or behavioural anthropologist.

21 May 2014 at 17:56  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Archbishop. There comes once a century, a political wave that sweeps all before it, as they say. One hundred years ago, the last wave was very much in existence and when it subsided, ten years later, there was a Labour government headed by Ramsey MacDonald. Can you really appreciate what happened then - a socialist government in the United Kingdom a mere five years after the zenith of the British empire which occurred in 1919 following the issuing of mandates to run parts of the former Ottoman empire and the absorption of German overseas territories. Imperial yet socialist, the very seat of Empire – could you have imagined such a thing had you been a contemporary !

This in a country where four fifths of it was owned by a tiny number of ennobled families all of whom you could have accommodated in Buckingham palace at the same time, at a pinch. This in a country where men still doffed their hats to their betters.

Their traditional party of representation, the Liberals, lay in ruins. But unlike the Conservative party of today, the Liberals did not actually contribute to their demise by letting its supporters down (SSM & some vague promise of a referendum but not a straight in / out as that is ‘not the question the British people want before them’).

Now, what were you saying about the futility of the unstoppable surge of support going to UKIP at the expense of the Conservative party ?

21 May 2014 at 17:58  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

The Inspector is most impressed by the tone of comment from his co-communicants today. Does a fellow good to be amongst it, I can tell you…

“When we adopt the Standard, and go into battle, we do so freshly inspired and we go with hope in our hearts”

We can’t know the outcome, it’s all new to us, but we do indeed have hope, and nobody can take that away from us. Isn’t that a marvellous thing in itself !

“Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus, going on before !”
Do you know, one is even more confident than the benders were a few months ago just before they got what they wanted at decent society’s expense. It’s time for us patriot types now, what !

“Into the valley – Ahoy ! Ahoy ! Land sea and sky !”

We may be a light brigade at the moment, but a much larger and heavier formation is in the making. And there’ll be credible and honest policies too - how can there not be with so many experienced political types flocking to the cause now they’ve set themselves free from Cameron’s Conservatism, can see the way ahead, and can see what we must do to get there !!

21 May 2014 at 18:00  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

“UKIP cannot hasten UK secession because they will never form a government and Nigel Farage will never be prime minister. You can make David Cameron squirm and sweat, and you can enjoy his embarrassment and discomfort, but that infantile pleasure is ephemeral and risks damning the nation to an eternity of EU decrees, binding diktats and unaccountable political lobbying, leading ultimately to our inescapable abasement in a United States of Europe.”

There you go again being all negative, defeatist and spineless, grow some and vote UKIP for a genuine window of opportunity at getting out of the EU stranglehold. Who says Nigel Farage cannot be Prime Minister? He might not conform to your view of what a PM should look and sound like or be, but he deserves a chance. It can be a reality as can extricating ourselves from the vice like grip the EU has on us. 75% of our laws and growing are made in Brussels.

People are voting UKIP because they really are with the main three and are disillusioned, desperate for change and proper leadership, not to make David Cameron squirm and sweat, who cares about him? This is serious stuff and I think you know so that's why you're having a wobbly.

21 May 2014 at 18:01  
Blogger Mark Williams said...

"the Oligarchy nullifies democracy and appoints regional governors to bypass national democracy"

Didn't the Emperor appoint Peter Cushing as a Regional Governor with a Death Star to enforce complience?

21 May 2014 at 18:02  
Blogger Gergiev said...

I agree with most of this succinctly argued analysis. However, I believe that a victory for UKIP is necessary to push one of the other parties into holding an in/out referendum. I know it is already Conservative Party policy but I do not believe that it can be trusted to deliver without sustained popular pressure; a UKIP victory tomorrow would be such pressure and it might also push Labour in the same direction.

21 May 2014 at 18:10  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

“You may justifiably hold them in contempt, but voting UKIP will not make them known, or accountable, or unfix them from their castles and courts.”

Neither will voting Conservative, you are deluded if you think David Cameron can successfully re-negotiate treaty changes in Britain’s interests that will all be agreed to by the 27 other member states. Angela has already publicly told him “Nein” before he's even presented the changes.
Voting UKIP now and in 2015 will be our only chance for regaining our country back.

21 May 2014 at 18:13  
Blogger Owl said...

David 17:56,

I think the comments on this blog answer you quite adequately.

UKIP may be the ventil to release the rage.

If not, then Dave's in deep sh*t.

21 May 2014 at 18:15  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Shadrach said most apt;

"We can't continue to vote in fear."

Someone very dear to all believers said...
Do not be over-anxious, therefore, about to-morrow, for to-morrow will bring its own cares. Enough for each day are its own troubles.

Lets deal with the GE when it comes..Who knows what the SR in September may bring. 'Yes' and then a rout for Labour in Westminster as it's Scottish power base is decimated!

If we have placed UKIP in a position of strength tomorrow, if Scottish Yes, well Hoots Man, then Eddie Milibod and his miscreants are out of the equation. Simples *squeak*


21 May 2014 at 18:16  
Blogger Flossie said...

THIS is why I shall be voting UKIP tomorrow.

(Also because I loathe and detest Cameron/Clegg/Miliband.

21 May 2014 at 18:20  
Blogger Flossie said...

And I totally agree with Peter Hitchens here:

21 May 2014 at 18:23  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Flossie @ 18.23

Greetings !

Peter Hitchins is a miserable, negative old trout but everything that he said about Cameron in his book "The Cameron Delusion" has come to pass. Well said Hitchins. Cameron is no conservative and his appointment was a disaster to his party - but a gift to Ukip ! Hoorah !

It is most heartening to see so many brave souls rallying to the cause and expressing such solidarity - a veritable ecumenical solidarity, indeed an inter-faith one as well ! Long may it continue. A special mention must go to our vey own Inspector, who is always both stalwart and courageous, when we are in a tight corner. Greetings inspector ! I do hope that His Grace can steady his nerve, rediscovering his Christian courage soon.

21 May 2014 at 19:46  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Salutations David H. Yes, you’re on the money there Sir. One is voting UKIP tomorrow, and thereafter it must be said, because David Cameron has convinced him ‘it’s the right thing to do.’ Good old David C, we couldn’t have got this far without him, and his marital concerns for those types who loiter around school gates at going home time.

One even went so far as to book Friday off in anticipation of the results coming in during the small hours, only to find out tonight they won’t be released until Sunday evening. Now there's suspicion, why are the authorities hanging on to the ballot for so long. Damn EU, can’t trusty the corrupt bastards...

Anyway, one will be holding court at the “Mouse and Wheel” on Friday. Sent the telegram boy over tonight suggesting they get an extra keg of Guinness in.

By the bye, don’t be too hard on Cranmer. Like us, he’s in the middle of a Reformation of sorts. We await patiently as he considers his options.

Cheery pip !

21 May 2014 at 20:09  
Blogger Ars Hendrik said...

What an utterly fantastic thread today.

I cannot wait to vote tomorrow - the first time in a very long time that I feel my vote may make a difference to my country if not my constituency.

Actually excited at the prospect of voting - who would have thought it?

Responding to the Inspector's rallying cry:

'But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect.'

Get stuck in.

21 May 2014 at 20:14  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Felicitations Ars, you are in fine form this day.

So you’ve felt it too, eh, that wave that is engulfing the political here and now. They'll feel it soon enough, what !

The whole rotten unrepresentative structure is about to be shook with such force.

Absolutely splendid !

21 May 2014 at 20:34  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

ComRes Final Euro poll (% of vote)– CON 20, LAB 27, LD 7, UKIP 33, GRN 6

As this is done on a PR basis (unlike the nationals), this will translate into a hefty win for the Kippers, a thorough thrashing for the Cons & the Lib Dems face meltdown (good). As an added bonus the BNP will be hurled in welcome electoral oblivion(yes!, yes! yes!). Plus the fact the Labour Party will do well enough for them to keep Miliband on as leader, so he can help them loose the 2015 general election. Alas the Greens & the SNP, look like they will be in strong position, but you can't have everything you want in life.

Put the Champagne on ice for Sunday, keep the faith true believers.

21 May 2014 at 21:07  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

I will not be voting tomorrow. I have only voted once in my life and that was over 30 years ago when I was 18.

The sparrow falls because God wills it.

More to the point. I don't have strong views one way or the other on the EU. I think there are pros and cons of membership and we tend to blame all of our problems on the EU. It is a cop out.

Our problems run far far deeper than EU membership. We pretend that all of our troubles would be solved if we left and that stops us tacking them now.


21 May 2014 at 21:32  
Blogger David Hussell said...

David Kavanagh @ 21.07

Hearty salutations Sir !

You bear tidings of great joy, or expectations anyway. Your figures are heartening, whilst your analysis and opinions are impeccable.

Blessings on you and yours.

Ars Hendrick @ 20.14

Equally stout greetings, Sir !

We fight the good fight, towards freedom !

Blessings on you and all yours.

Godspeed to all, of His Grace's communicants.

Thank you Your Grace for your excellent work over the years, flying high the flag, and please forgive my harder edge, which shows through occasionally.

21 May 2014 at 21:39  
Blogger chrish said...

It`s UKIP for me too.
If only to see the BBC, Channel 4 and the liberal broadsheets attempt to tell me that I didn`t know what I was doing...and it was a bad night for UKIP( anything less than a torchlight procession with Putin as guest speaker).
The political class and their parasitic sublets like charities and academe need to pay for how they`ve insulted the good people of this country ever since 1990.
Muck out the barn-vote UKIP!

21 May 2014 at 21:49  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Phil, a rare and precious thing is a vote. If you can’t lower yourself to cast it for any one side in particular, do go and spoil your ballot. You participate legitimately in that way. The counters like drawings from talking to one of them. Popular images would be thus – dog, cat, horse, naked woman. Or you could use your imagination – Amundsen planting his flag at the south pole, or the Relief of Mafeking...

Do you know, if one wasn’t already committed, he’d be damn tempted to do that himself...

21 May 2014 at 21:53  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

As UKIP candidate for Barchester, I shall be voting for myself. I am going to wear my purple crinoline with gold stripes and shall be distributing hobnobs (not as a bribe but as refreshment, naturally).

21 May 2014 at 22:01  
Blogger bluedog said...

chrish @ 21.49 says, '( anything less than a torchlight procession with Putin as guest speaker).'

Haha. Yes, that's what the Left are desperate to see. They need a visual metaphor of that type to complete their EU funded anti-UKIP propaganda campaign.

21 May 2014 at 22:09  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mrs Proudie @ 22.01, may one suggest that you should send the episcopal wagonette on a tour of the alms houses to help the old and infirm reach the polling stations?

It goes without saying that they would reward your generosity with the appropriate vote. Otherwise they might find themselves hobbling home afterwards.

Hobnobs not withstanding.

21 May 2014 at 22:18  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Phil @21.32

'The sparrow falls because God wills it'.

I don't deny that my friend, but on more than one occasion I have seen a sparrow fall because I put .22 air rifle round through it.

Do at least follow The Inspector's suggestion to write a short pithy comment on the ballox paper. The candidates are shown the spoiled papers you know.

21 May 2014 at 22:47  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

PS I can JUST imagine myself voting Conservative again as I did in Mrs T's day if Dan Hannan and David Davis took over, purged the Cameroons and took the party sufficiently in the right direction to make Kenneth Clarke resign in disgust.

He lost the Tories the doctors' vote you know back in1990. I was there. Neither forgotten nor forgiven for what he did to the NHS....swore I'd never vote for them again while he was in the party and I haven't.

21 May 2014 at 23:00  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

seed, one is distraught that you despatch birds with your air rifle. The Inspector begs you, his friend, to reconsider your intervention in the natural order...

21 May 2014 at 23:09  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

The Remarkable Sparrow

Thought to be associated with man for a couple of thousand years at least, the sparrow has made a livelihood from man’s transport of the time. That is, the horses dung, or rather the insects drawn to the dung. A specimen could eat between a third and half of his bodyweight in insects every day. What that has meant to man’s comfort over this time is palpable.

So when you see a sparrow,which due to the concreting over of much of our land is not everyday, you are seeing a brother to man. Who while doing his bit in his survival at the same time benefited us.

21 May 2014 at 23:36  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Phil, I'm really surprised at your decision not to vote.

I would say many of our problems do stem from the EU's dictates, and the unbalanced relationship we have to have with them. It certainly is not mutually beneficial.
Don't you care or see the bigger picture? I suppose living in Wales running your own firm you might be getting lots of subsidies from the EU and therefore you're not inclined to want to rock the boat.

21 May 2014 at 23:48  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Lee Rigby, 4th July 1987 – 22nd May 2013.

22 May 2014 at 00:32  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...


I am not ambivalent about the EU for selfish reasons (or non existent subsidies!)

"I would say many of our problems do stem from the EU's dictates"

Yes but far more stem from poor decisions by our own governments both Labour and Tory. (The Conservatives probably the most damaging to Britain overall)

The current coalition and the previous Tory administrations will I think go down in history as being a complete disaster for Britain.

Before you moan at me. Who took us into the EU in the first place?


22 May 2014 at 03:41  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...


I am not in the UK tomorrow (Today) to spoil my ballot.

I could have done a postal vote I suppose. However, spoiling my postal vote seems to me to be completely ridiculous!

Relief of Mafeking.

Britain at its best. Ingenuity, see it now? I thought not, so the question is why not?

What has changed?

(Don't say the EU!)


22 May 2014 at 03:48  
Blogger IanCad said...

Ars Hendrik wrote:

Responding to the Inspector's rallying cry:

"But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect."

Sorry guys I must say this again:

The Rage of Dreaming Sheep.

22 May 2014 at 06:12  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...


Inspector, you are right to express concern but it was over 30 years ago I shot a couple of sparrows that were dust bathing in my seed bed and I am sorry about it. My orchard, hedgerows and coppice are sanctuaries for many birds (look me up on YouTube under Stephen Hayes). Just couldn't resist the riposte!

Read the ballot paper carefully- there be knavish trickd.

22 May 2014 at 07:19  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Dear Johnnie Rottenborough, I would like t join you in remembering Lee Rigby, the poor lad who was slaughtered on our streets a year ago. I shall be praying for him and his family in the Cathedra this morning.

22 May 2014 at 07:55  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Have a good Ukip day !

22 May 2014 at 08:22  
Blogger Flossie said...

There is a superb article by Brendan O'Neill in spiked online about why the liberal elite and mainstream media hate Farage and why we, the lumpen proletariat, are fighting back.

I think he is spot on.

Just off to cast my vote for UKIP. Thanks for the warning, Rambling Steve. I shall take my specs.

22 May 2014 at 08:55  
Blogger Andy said...

Drivel. Vote UKIP

22 May 2014 at 09:26  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Flossie, top of the ballot paper in my part of Hampshire is the fraudulent 'An independence from Europe' scam party and lower down several pseudoparties scrambling for eurosceptic and nationalist votes.

If we had any real, unbiased investigative journalists they would be finding out who is behind these 'literal democrat' style spoilers. I have my suspicions.

22 May 2014 at 09:44  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Rambling Steve,

Thanks for the pre-view. Off to do my bit now. You're on the money with your comments - shows that the media and press have prostituted themselves to the establishment that wants to trap us under EU serfdom. Truth will out !

Must look at Flossie's article later.

22 May 2014 at 10:25  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Rambling Steve Appleseed said..

"Flossie, top of the ballot paper in my part of Hampshire is the fraudulent 'An independence from Europe' scam party and lower down several pseudoparties scrambling for eurosceptic and nationalist votes." INDEED!

A sneaky ploy to get the weak minded or those in a hurry to get to work, to put an X beside the 'United' bit?

This country is littered with chancers at every level of authority.

Was going to vote Tory at local level but after the charade at Croydon with fake 'romanians' and the stage managed left fabians protest and MSM in attendance, who CCHQ have joined forces with nationally to discredit UKIP, it was an angry NO to Mike Fisher and Co at Croydon as my vote went elsewhere.

If Tories want to get into bed with the enemy and MSM over UKIP, then hope they don't mind old Ernst giving them a kicking in the duvets.


22 May 2014 at 10:49  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Voted UKIP

22 May 2014 at 11:42  
Blogger A.K.A. Damo Mackerel said...

Your Grace, is there anyway I can 'like' an article son I can come back to it ago in a few months time if needs be?

22 May 2014 at 12:02  
Blogger Flossie said...

The sneaky trick brigade are really out in force, aren't they? I read my ballot papers (we have local elections as well) extremely carefully.

How about this, then, spending OUR money on more sneakery.

22 May 2014 at 12:38  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Flossie, Rambling Steve,

Same here in sleepy Suffolk, the spoilers are out in force. Top of the very long paper was "An Independence from Europe", lower down below the usual BNP was another confuser, "NO2EU" , I think it said. Ukip with its unique £ sign was at the bottom as my party briefing told me it would be.

As Steve said if we had proper investigative journalists they'd be discovering who lies behind this obvious spoiling scam - it can't be a coincidence that they all appear just as Ukip create a serious challenge to our continued entrapment within the EU can it ? I smell a rat !

22 May 2014 at 13:05  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Flossie at 12:38

Windows Explorer tells me, in the nicest possible away, that it is unable to put me through to your Breitbart link. Any suggestions?


22 May 2014 at 13:15  
Blogger David Hussell said...


You are right. The article by Brendan O'Neil is superb in every respect. He has his finger on the button.

22 May 2014 at 13:23  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Uncle Brian @ 13.15.

To find Flossie article I just put in, "UK government funds anti-Ukip group", and hey bingo up it popped.

It is a disgrace, the fact that this is happening, and must stop, immediately.

Good luck finding it.

Once again I'm indebted to Flossie our intrepid truth seeker !

22 May 2014 at 13:28  
Blogger Len said...

I think the lie that politicians have presented to us in the form of the EU has finally been uncovered.Those behind the EU think the EU has progressed(if that is the correct word?) so far that it is impossibly for anyone to stop it or even change it.They may be right.
We didn`t sign up for this and we don`t want it.Small minorities have done very well out of the EU at the expense of the majority.
Those behind the EU have taken our moral framework our very foundations and trampled them underfoot.We are now expected to call evil good and good evil.Those we expected to lead us have betrayed us in every respect.
Enough is enough.
I`m off to vote and it will not be for those who dragged us into this mess or those who want to keep us there.

22 May 2014 at 13:31  
Blogger Flossie said...

Thanks David for pointing the direction to the Breitbart article. If that doesn't work, go to, make sure you get the London edition (there is a link in the black banner at the top) then scroll down until you get to the article, which is accompanied by a picture of two black blokes holding up red cards saying 'Show Racism The Red Card'.

22 May 2014 at 14:00  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Flossie and David Hussell, thank you both!

In case he hasn't seen it already, this snippet may interest Darter Noster, our fellow communicant who told us once, if memory serves, that he drives a bus in Sunderland:

Other big funders are Sunderland City Council, who have given nearly £130,000 over the last decade and South Tyneside Council, who have given over £50,000.

22 May 2014 at 14:19  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

Well it looks as if the Electoral Commission have a lot of answering of extremely difficult questions to do.

I was one of two voters at the polling station. The other lady voter looked at all the candidates and made an angry sound as she saw the confusion, then her eyes went to the bottom of the list and she went in. I guess we both voted UKIP.

In a country that supposedly prides itself- or should I say use to pride itself- on free and fair elections the allowance of the first name on the ballot paper together with their tag was a complete and utter disgrace that probably wouldn't be allowed in a third world country.

Shame upon them and the head of the head of the Electoral Commission should roll on this. Has anyone started an online petition yet?

22 May 2014 at 14:43  
Blogger Shadrach said...

About to break the habit of a lifetime. Always been Conservative. Still am conservative, so voting UKIP.

22 May 2014 at 14:54  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Thank you Flossie.
It's shocking that the Welsh govenment have given so much when there are hundreds of more worthy and productive causes here.

"Some of the largest sums have come from the Welsh Government, who since 2006 have given the group £66,838.17."

22 May 2014 at 15:00  
Blogger Brian West said...

I told my MP last year that if the government went through with the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) legislation, I would never vote Conservative again. I also pointed out that I always vote in elections, on principle.

It's a secret ballot, so I shall not tell you all how I am voting; but I don't mind if you try to guess.

It appears that, unusually, His Grace's argument has won little support from his usual followers; it will be interesting to see what he has to say in his next post or two.

Brian West

22 May 2014 at 15:07  
Blogger IanCad said...


Thanks for the eye-opener.
Totally out of line, and I voted CP.

With all the equality/racist/sodomite zealotry going on I'm getting a little contrary.

Men for men's work.
Black folk commit far more crime than is fair for their demographic profile.
And, Darn It! No! I do not want our youth to be taught that the Homo lifestyle is normal.

Rant over.

I look forward to a revitalised CP after the drubbing they seem on course to get today.

22 May 2014 at 15:11  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Shadrach @ 14.54

To vote Ukip is as close to voting truly "Conservative" as one can get now, as (look away IanCad) it's crystal clear that there are few active conservatives left in the Conservative Party, sadly. I go with the reality of any situation, not a past state. Moreover it's only by giving them a good kicking that we can assist the few genuine conservatives left in the Conservative Party that they must regain control and replace "Dave" the Imposter with a genuine conservative. to vote for them is to consign the party to the dustbin of history, as it entrenches the power of "the modernists".

22 May 2014 at 15:25  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Marie 1787 @ 15.00

Since "Tony" gave the Welsh their Parliament, voted for by the slimmest of majorities, it has gone from bad to worse in the Principality, where I grew up.

Socialism rules the land almost without effective opposition, encouraging all sorts of inefficiency and waste. It never ceases to amaze me how my parents pleasant but modest 3 bed bungalow in a prosperous part of Wales attracts more Council Tax than our Suffolk, far larger, detached country cottage in a much bigger garden and probably worth twice as much, if not a bigger multiple. The answer of course is the that the public spending patterns in Wales and eastern England are so very different, reflecting the stark political differences.

And that simple homely, little pattern and contrast is not atypical of the differences in efficiency across the public sectors of the two, contrasting areas. If Wales ever did go independent, which is very unlikely as they are a far less restive lot than the Scot. Nats group, it would be a disaster I am sure. As it is, there are serious questions to be asked as how various services there are run, particularly certain hospitals.

So no, I am not surprised that the Socialist Welsh Government are pouring money into this very political anti-Ukip organization - truly disgraceful !

22 May 2014 at 15:37  
Blogger Sister Tiberia said...

Just went and cast me vote, and gave the guy with the blue rosette a hard time going in and coming out! Amazing the number of anti EU parties on the ballot paper that nobody has ever heard of with names suspiciously similar to the UK Independence Party...not trying to split the UKIP vote are they? Of course not, just my paranoia.... :P

Bloody hell, I'm learning to really hate politicians

22 May 2014 at 15:39  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

You will all enjoy this


22 May 2014 at 16:49  
Blogger Brian West said...

Actually the voting paper I was given was slightly worse than described by some respondents above; the UKIP line was below the lowest fold of the form, and at first glance I thought it was not there. Patiently making sure the voting paper was fully unfolded, I found it after the final fold.

Brian West

22 May 2014 at 17:16  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

@ Brian West
That is quite appalling. We cannot let this rest as it would set an appalling precedent and possibly mark the end of fair elections in this country.

Which we will not stand for.

What is the purpose of an electoral commission, part of whose brief is to ensure that the names of the parties should be sufficiently dissimilar as not to cause confusion if they cannot even rise to the level of very basic common sense? And I mean very basic. Forget all their impressive sounding qualifications the average person with a Mcjob at McDonalds could have done far far better than this abject farce!!

We need a protest march and/or a petition, and to raise such a determined stink that it never happens again. I would also think that all the thousands of people who incorrectly voted- and for some it will be through eyesight problems- should send a letter of complaint both to the egoistic, uncaring and dishonest man, with contempt for the common person and happy to garner votes through voter error, heading this nonsense rump party, and to the electoral commission. Sacks and sacks of mail protesting at being effectively disenfranchised would concentrate the mind no end, and serve them right.

22 May 2014 at 17:31  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Inspector here. Just voted for UKIP. One’s small part in the beginning of what will probably be the slow extraction of this fine country from the despicable EU. Well, you have to start somewhere, so today is hereby designated ‘Day 1’

One did vote for the Conservative council candidate. This should be viewed as this man’s appreciation of their sensible stewardship of local revenues. It’s not their fault their party leader is a gay whim obliging arse.

Only two others in the council ballot. The Lib-Dems, famous for their madcap ideas around here, perhaps the next one is a crèche exclusively for the children of eastern Europeans so the parents can take two British jobs, not just one. And those Labour blighters, whom one has always suspected would love to put up a statue of Lenin in Gloucester park.

Onwards and upwards, what !

22 May 2014 at 17:33  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Lucy Mullen @ 17.31

You are absolutely right. A huge fuss needs to be kicked up about this as otherwise we'll continue sliding down the slope of electoral fraud, which started of course with the Blair introduction of postal voting. Brian West's experience is just not acceptable in a supposedly mature democracy.

Should it be done via Ukip or not, I wonder ? It is both a point of principle as well as a party political one.

22 May 2014 at 17:48  
Blogger Shadrach said...

Brian West said;
It appears that, unusually, His Grace's argument has won little support from his usual followers; it will be interesting to see what he has to say in his next post or two.
Don't hold your breath Brian. Cranmer doesn't get it wrong, no matter how many people say different.

22 May 2014 at 18:35  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

The Dutch will release exit polls on Thursday evening, but Britain will only announce its results late on Sunday, once voting has finished in all EU member states, it says here. If the Dutch are allowed to know what their own exit polls tell them, why are ours kept secret for so long? It can’t be an EU ruling, otherwise it would apply to the Dutch as well. So whose clever idea was it, then?

22 May 2014 at 19:00  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

David Hussell
“Socialism rules the land almost without effective opposition, encouraging all sorts of inefficiency and waste.”

You can say that again! Edwina Hart Ass Member for Gower wants to close off two junctions of the M4 where I am in order to force people to use a small three mile obscure 'A' road they built that cost £107 million paid for in EU subsidies, jobs for the boyos or what! She is quoted saying she “regrets capitalism” and reads The Morning Star paid for by the taxpayer. That the town's businesses will suffer as trade and much needed industry is driven away is not her problem. She's all for centralising everything in Cardiff. Things are getting out of hand.

I now think the Welsh Assembly the biggest waste of money ever and should be abolished as it's just another layer of bureaucracy. The Welsh will never make it on their own for several reasons I won't go into.

The Welsh ballot paper had 11 parties to choose from, I've never heard of the The Socialist Party of Great Britain or of the Socialist Labour Party, if they do exist we have not had any literature or door knocking in my area. Of course I voted UKIP.

22 May 2014 at 19:05  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

A little googling and I’ve answered my own question. It turns out that the Dutch have a law of their own that overrides the EU order to keep the election results secret until the polls close in every country. Which party in Westminster, I wonder, will dare to introduce a bill like that in the Mother of Parliaments?

So as not to influence those who have not yet voted, the European Commission has ordered that Dutch authorities do not make any official announcement of the results before polls close everywhere on Sunday, something they neglected to do at the last election in 2009.
Polling organisations will take exit polls, but the (No Style) blog has recruited over 2,000 volunteers to go to some of the around 10,000 polling stations where Dutch electoral law says the vote results must be read out after they are counted.
The volunteers will report the results, which are slated to be much more accurate than exit polls, and they will be given out on the blog's website and on Twitter with the hashtag #geenpeil (Dutch for 'no opinion poll') from when voting closes at 1900 GMT.

22 May 2014 at 19:32  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Marie 1797 @ 19.05

Good for you. I know the Gower well having been brought up not far away. Cardiff is much too distant for "centralisation" there to satisfy every local need. She is showing how, as an affluent (champagne socialist ?) she is insulated from local closures, but these represent serious problems to the less comfortably off. Anyway the infrastructure is creaking, with the M4 being seriously over busy for much of the day, comparable to the M25. They are really are clueless aren't they ?

I congratulate your tenacity, being able to continue living in socialist Wales, and waving the flag for common sense. By the time I'd completed my school education at 18 I was so sick to the back teeth with the obvious disastrous effects of socialism, based on my early direct experience of its "reforming" dogmas, I'd had enough. The perfectly adequate, although not outstanding, Grammar School that I had entered at age 11 was totally mangled into a very poor split site Comprehensive. The teachers lost heart, and I had to grit my teeth, and work twice as hard to get myself to a good University, Bristol. Although I did a Masters in Cardiff, as it was the most suitable syllabus, I felt that I could never risk making a career and life in socialist Wales, and was happy to live thereafter in various corners of England. Had it been sensibly governed it could have been a different story. But I am delighted there are some determined types like you who stay and wave the flag. My brother and nephew, both with successful businesses, just clench their teeth and get on with it despite the nonsense. Per million capita there are few paying much income tax I understand, but a direct injection of cash from Westminster keeps it all afloat I believe, although I am not claiming great expertise on the fiscal profile of the Welsh Parliament. Enjoy the local cockles, which are excellent !

22 May 2014 at 19:59  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

David you're not wrong, there are more scams than decent jobs. Because there isn't much industry here or private businesses that pay well enough, young people go into the public sector in particular the NHS. They see reasonably paid jobs in nursing and medicine and after plodding though the degree join the service for the money and security. They turn out not to be suited for the job and this is mirrored in the lack of patient care, negligence and fraud of patients records being altered that is happening in hospitals here.

I'm not planning on staying here, I'm not too well at the moment
I'll give the cockles a miss thanks.

23 May 2014 at 01:00  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Marie @ 01.00

Sounds just like France with its huge public sector, and all the young people want to do, including the many "graduates" is join the Civil Service as private enterprise is not popular.

Sorry to hear that you unwell - I do hope that you recover fully, very soon. God Bless.

23 May 2014 at 08:07  
Blogger William Lewis said...

Well I voted UKIP, but Mrs. L. failed to follow the Lewis Whip and went with Cranmer and IanCad for the Conservative Party (at least it's Dan Hannan). There will of course be repercussions for this insubordination - I shall be withdrawing my usual pleasant demeanour in a drawn-out sulk until the results come out.

23 May 2014 at 08:45  
Blogger Manfarang said...

"After 40 years in the euro wilderness, you'd think the cartel of corruption"
Corruption? You don't know the meaning of the word.Try living in other parts of the world to find out.
This Peter Osbourne is a completely stupid person.
Manufacturing has largely declined in the UK although there are signs under the coalition of a revival in this sector.
With the UK out of the EU a lot of the financial services would go to Frankfurt and a lot of the rest to Dubai.
So with a mostly agricultural economy how would most people survive.From Mrs Proudies vegetable garden?

23 May 2014 at 09:17  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Dear Manfarang...everyone is welcome to my carrots and courgettes...the walled garden behind the Palace is a cornucopia of vegetables and, as you know, the Peas of the Lord be with you. always. We have an excellent team of gardeners who work round the clock...mind you, I can't understand a word they say as the come from the Balkans...strapping lads all hired by Mr Slope.

23 May 2014 at 09:53  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

35% turnout.

So two thirds of us either trust the politicians, trust others to vote wisely on their behalf, or are so intellectually comatose and drunk on junk TV, celebrity guff and glitter and various other stimulants/soporifics that they couldn't even be bothered to spoil their ballot paper. The stay at homes evidently didn't even see UKIP as a threat worthy voting against.

The Bandar-Log are doing the dance of the hunger of Kaa. (Rudyard Kipling's Jungle Book).

No, really, on this showing we are doomed even if DanJo finds the phrase amusing.

23 May 2014 at 10:25  
Blogger Martin Marprelate said...

You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time. Your Grace appears to be in the second category. Cameron will be so pleased.

No Christian should ever vote for Cameron again. We have had atheists as Prime Ministers before- indeed, Walpole was one 300 years ago- but none of them has ever dared to overturn in institutions of God in the way that Cameron has.

If he cannot be got rid of before, he must be voted out next year, and that means voting UKIP at the General Election. If that means letting Labour in, so be it.

23 May 2014 at 10:25  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

From The Jungle Book. Kippers describes the trusting attitude of certain sections of the masses before a good orator.

The moon was sinking behind the hills and the lines of trembling monkeys huddled together on the walls and battlements looked like ragged shaky fringes of things. Baloo went down to the tank for a drink and Bagheera began to put his fur in order, as Kaa glided out into the center of the terrace and brought his jaws together with a ringing snap that drew all the monkeys' eyes upon him.

"The moon sets," he said. "Is there yet light enough to see?"

From the walls came a moan like the wind in the tree-tops—"We see, O Kaa."

"Good. Begins now the dance—the Dance of the Hunger of Kaa. Sit still and watch."

He turned twice or thrice in a big circle, weaving his head from right to left. Then he began making loops and figures of eight with his body, and soft, oozy triangles that melted into squares and five-sided figures, and coiled mounds, never resting, never hurrying, and never stopping his low humming song. It grew darker and darker, till at last the dragging, shifting coils disappeared, but they could hear the rustle of the scales.

Baloo and Bagheera stood still as stone, growling in their throats, their neck hair bristling, and Mowgli watched and wondered.

"Bandar-log," said the voice of Kaa at last, "can ye stir foot or hand without my order? Speak!"

"Without thy order we cannot stir foot or hand, O Kaa!"

"Good! Come all one pace nearer to me."

The lines of the monkeys swayed forward helplessly, and Baloo and Bagheera took one stiff step forward with them.

"Nearer!" hissed Kaa, and they all moved again.

Mowgli laid his hands on Baloo and Bagheera to get them away, and the two great beasts started as though they had been waked from a dream.

"Keep thy hand on my shoulder," Bagheera whispered. "Keep it there, or I must go back—must go back to Kaa. Aah!"

"It is only old Kaa making circles on the dust," said Mowgli. "Let us go." And the three slipped off through a gap in the walls to the jungle.

"Whoof!" said Baloo, when he stood under the still trees again. "Never more will I make an ally of Kaa," and he shook himself all over.

"He knows more than we," said Bagheera, trembling. "In a little time, had I stayed, I should have walked down his throat."

"Many will walk by that road before the moon rises again," said Baloo. "He will have good hunting—after his own fashion."

Good old Rudyard Kippers, ten times the poet and writer Oscar Wilde or Sylvia Plath ever were but almost airbrushed from our history.

23 May 2014 at 10:37  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

seed. It was downpour and thunder and lightening as one made his way to the church hall yesterday. There was also a disturbing lack of seconds between flash and roar, causing one to laugh out loud on the prospect of his interest in politics being the death of him.

35% would seem reasonable then. The inclemency would certainly have kept the socialist or Lib-Dem supporting career benefits drawing wallahs at home. Uninterrupted day time television would have been the preferred choice for their X.

23 May 2014 at 10:53  
Blogger Rasher Bacon said...

Rambling Steve

Thanks - well worth typing out.

I think it was the Bandar-Log who also carried Kipling's message about this idea of truth being ascertained by polling which has made its way via Parliament into the church - 'It's true! it's true! We all say it, so it must be true!"

23 May 2014 at 11:19  
Blogger Gnostic said...

...but that infantile Cameron is ephemeral and risks damning the nation to an eternity of EU decrees, binding diktats and unaccountable political lobbying, leading ultimately to our inescapable abasement in a United States of Europe.

There, fixed it, Your Grace.

THAT is why we won't be voting for the Not The Conservative Party any time soon.

23 May 2014 at 11:23  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Further Malpractice at Polling Stations by poll clerks folding to obscure UKP candidates.

23 May 2014 at 11:40  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Nothing new apparently - according to this report from 5th June 2009. Not sure if complaints were raised at the time, but its too convenient to dismiss the practise as a one off.

23 May 2014 at 11:50  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Rambling Steve @ 10.37

Kipling a better writer and poet - absolutely ! But airbrushed out by the "liberal", liberating PC brigade. But it lays there to be rediscovered one day, just like The Bible itself for most of the cultural Christians.

"To thirds of us either trust ...." Why a low turnout ? I'll take your "intellectually comatose" explanation.

23 May 2014 at 11:52  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Martin Marprelate @ 10.25

"Dared to overturn the institutions of God in the way that Cameron has"

Quite ! It is direct attack on the created order, Natural Law if you like and Christianity, as it was meant to be, but many are too close to the detail to see that wider strategic point. No good will come from this, although in the short term all may appear to be, what passes for normal in this society. God will not be mocked, I am sure of that. I agree that no Christian should vote for The Not Conservative Party again.

23 May 2014 at 11:59  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Goodness. A wall-to-wall UKIP crowd. But what's with the 35% voter turnout? I thought that was a North American malady clinically exacerbated by access to a couple of hundred satellite TV channels. Kudos to the Inspector who braved the elements and probably marched right past his Mouse and Wheel without a longing look, a stern and purposeful expression on his visage, steely eyes fixed firmly ahead towards the voting hall...

23 May 2014 at 12:11  
Blogger Len said...

Cameron drove his 'gladiatorial chariot 'straight through the Christians over SSM and then turned about and declared(far too late) that "this is a christian country" .This had about as much credibility as his 'cast iron promise' of a referendum on Europe.
Unrestricted immigration, bowing to the dictates of the EU,and SSM finished the Conservatives for ever for any chance of ever getting my vote again.

23 May 2014 at 12:22  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Well, Happy Jack voted Conservative.

The Conservative Party is bigger than its leader. He needs to go. The Party represents most of what Jack believes to be right for society.

Cameron, if he was a pope, would be declared 'anti-pope' and the orthodox would remove him. When he declared this he abandoned Conservatism and became an anti-leader:

“Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us. Society is stronger when we make vows to each other and we support each other. I don’t support gay marriage in spite of being a conservative. I support gay marriage because I am a conservative.”

Of course, if the Conservative Party is lost and Cameron enjoys the support of the majority of its members, then it is no longer the true Conservative Party and this will have to break away.

UKIP is not, in Jack's estimation, a Party of government. And, forgive me for saying so, Nigel Farage reminds him of a toff's version of a barrow-boy in a street market.

23 May 2014 at 13:31  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Thanks Rasher, but I didn't type it out. Copy and paste, it was very easy to find. If you knew the key search phrase....

23 May 2014 at 14:14  
Blogger Lucy Mullen said...

@ happy Jack.

I have been pondering the criteria upon which to vote and it seems to me that Eleanor Roosevelt's words come in useful, (though thy are of course an overstatement and in broad brush strokes), which are that:

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

Now if you decide to vote on ideas, which you say, yet you have to distinguish those ideas from the events, and, yes, I have read the CPC literature on the ideas of the conservative party.

But the nub is that they no longer stand for those values. Let us not fool ourselves; few constituency MPs have rebelled on European issues, nor expressed gall at the lack of democracy in the EU, and those who stand strongly together with the Labour MPs Tom Watson and Stephen Danczuk in the line of gruesome fire are few and far between, as also are those who voted against gay marriage, or those who saw through the dodgy dossier, the Iraq war, the American neo-con agenda and and and...

How many understood and supported the policies of Ron Paul in the USA? How many stuck to classical or even semi-classical economics like Thatcher and Reagan espoused? How many have just gone along with the strongly Keynesian drift, and espoused manipulated markets and an absurd degree of quantitive easing aka money printing in the ridiculous hope that it will be different this time to every other time in history?

That is why I voted UKIP. Who realises that Nigel Farage has a better economic brain than anyone in the cabinet? Probably not many as you have been fed rubbish by most of the media.

23 May 2014 at 14:21  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Mrs Proudie
Products of ample manure no doubt.
Anyway I have other concerns at the moment.No BBC World TV just a screen shot of the National Peace and Order Maintaining Council.

23 May 2014 at 15:03  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

David Hussell

Thank you for your kind words on the last thread.

Happy Jack

The Conservative party aren't going to change if people keep voting for them are they?!
In my estimation they are not worthy of the public's votes and to be in government.

The EU is such a vast relentless machine that Britain alone cannot effect change from within it and the few new Eastern European countries have no clout either, it would be like a small group of adults pushing against a forward moving steam roller, hopeless.
On the other hand if we leave, that will fire and inspire others to do the same therefore effecting change and arresting the unrelenting growth of it. UKIP is the catalyst.

We have to look further than the EU, we have many friends in the world, and we are great diplomats too, well maybe not Prince Charles so much! The EU has by stealth of rules and regulations destroyed industries and crushed our competitive spirit and continues to do so.

23 May 2014 at 22:18  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...


Wish you and the Thai people well. Stay safe. Our crappy 'democracy' is better than tanks and soldiers in the streets and we should remember it.

23 May 2014 at 22:51  

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