Thursday, May 15, 2014

Welby: "We must be battering at the gates of heaven in prayer" for South Sudan


Blogger Sister Tiberia said...

God help us all.

She is in my prayers.

15 May 2014 at 13:02  
Blogger Hannah said...

She is in my prayers as well. I bet that this doesn't get advertised like Boko Haram, although it is equally vile. Where are the celeb hashtags?

15 May 2014 at 13:40  
Blogger Ars Hendrik said...

Listening to the Archbishop describing what he saw is like being punched in the stomach. Who says Christians do not live in the real world.

He is an inspiring man, who ends by saying: 'I see God in the extraordinary fact that after half a century of civil war… we could stand and see people weeping in compassion because the spirit of God still moves in love in their hearts.'

A slight gripe to my fellow commentators – the post on the abduction and murder of schoolchildren in Nigeria garnered 32 comments, the post on the never ending homosexual 'crises' in the church 135.

Priorities ladies and gentlemen, priorities.

Let's see how this one does.

15 May 2014 at 15:21  
Blogger IanCad said...


Exactly. You beat me to it.

After four hours this thread has attracted three comments.
Yesterday, when the subject was bum-banditry, there were thirty two comments in the same length of time.
Why the obsession?

15 May 2014 at 16:31  
Blogger Hannah said...

Hi Ars,

If there was a 'like' button, you'd get a like from me for your comment, above.

15 May 2014 at 16:57  
Blogger Time For Tea said...


Perhaps one suggestion for the lack of comments is that there's not a lot of controversy in the Nigeria article or this one. Christian and secular people alike would condemn these actions in the main I would suggest.

Islam and many other groups have persecuted the people of God for centuries. Persecution of Christians is to be expected and will only get worse in the future as we see Christian freedoms eroded in all parts of the globe.

Steve Chalke is, to a lot of people both secular and not, a representative of Christ and Christians in this country. He is very high profile and has been for a long time. For him to be saying homosexuality is acceptable to God is significant, particularly at the moment given the current attention that is being paid to the subject.

Apostasy in the church is a sign of the times we live in whereas persecution has always been with us.

Just a thought...

15 May 2014 at 17:57  
Blogger jsampson1945 said...

Re Nigeria and South Sudan, prayer and action would be more appropriate than discussion.

15 May 2014 at 18:18  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Why so few comments ?

This is so appalling people may be lost for words ?

15 May 2014 at 18:44  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Happy Jack says that sometimes sorrow just leaves you with nothing to say. The only thing to do is ask God to send His help.

15 May 2014 at 18:47  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Fellows - Don’t waste your time on prayer. If you want to save her, threaten to expel the South Sudanese from their UK embassy. It means a lot to these primitives to have a foothold within proper civilisation, as opposed to whatever Sudanese savagery passes for that at home…

15 May 2014 at 18:49  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Unless I am mistaken, the ABC witnessed the fall out of the tribal ethnic/constitutional civil war in the newly independent country South Sudan (cap Juba).

The woman under sentence of death issue is subject to the Islamic Republic of Sudan (cap Khartoum north of the partition line)

15 May 2014 at 18:56  
Blogger IanCad said...

I'm with you there Inspector.

"Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."

15 May 2014 at 19:26  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

We can do as the Archbishop says and pray for her as I'm sure everyone will do. We can hope that she makes a safe escape before her 'punishment' begins which is two years after she gives birth apparently.

The Archbishop also sets out five practical steps to do to help the Sudanese Christians. I would think the Bishops in Sudan need a lot of support and guidance from the mother Church to help them create the culture of a society of reconciliation Archbishop Welby speaks of.

Instead of the various branches of the Church and Christian groups here bickering amongst themselves over how they can twist and fudge what is says in The Bible in order to justify the acceptance and blessing of sins because they think they are being progressive, modern and popular when in fact the Church needs to be anything but. It's the steadying compassionate voice of reason and temperance to the rapidly spiralling out of control western decadence.

Someone can start a petition to the Islamist Sudan government and their leader Omar Bashir. Similar to the 'Stop the Execution of Pastor Nadarkhani' one.

15 May 2014 at 20:43  
Blogger Nick said...

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15 May 2014 at 20:59  
Blogger Nick said...

Make a donation to OpenDoors. There are many Christians around the world who are being persecuted, mostly, but not exclusively, by Islamists. North Korea is at the top of OD's list of nations persecuting Christians. Let's put our money where our mouth is. I've already made a few donations.

As to discussing other issues on this blog, that is a perfectly valid thing. Maybe the reason our prayers are not always answered is because of our nations sin.

"The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective."

15 May 2014 at 20:59  
Blogger chrish said...

A fine and moving piece from the Archbishop.
Yet he doesn`t tell me WHO is doing all this...and I would trust his judgement.
I`m guessing Islam again...but if he doesn`t say,I rather think that he`s letting Islam off from its atrocities; much as the liberal left do here in Britain.
That said, he`s now a bigger man that I thought he was.
Like Rowan in China-he`s seen things we`ve never seen; so such men are not the fops and fools that the western media make them out to be.
Justin needs prayer too to stomach all this, and still be able to be the good man that he is.
Will pray for him and for S.Sudan-as well as that poor lady under the evil of Sharia.

15 May 2014 at 21:24  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

Ian Cad Ars

"A slight gripe to my fellow commentators – the post on the abduction and murder of schoolchildren in Nigeria garnered 32 comments, the post on the never ending homosexual 'crises' in the church 135."

To us we see these two posts as separate issues. To Sudanese and Nigerians these issues are very much linked. Many Africans have told us and we have not listened, that the tolerance of homosexuality and sin in the West fuels these atrocities in Africa.

Before the homosexuals get shrill. I don't blame you, I blame ourselves for not making sure that our leaders condemn all sin.

Murder and rape of children abroad AND arse banditry in the church!

If you condemn one without the other, you are not condemning anything, because your words are meaningless.


15 May 2014 at 21:25  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Nick @ 20.59

I can recommend Open Doors as an organisation of the faithful, staffed by intrepid evangelists who will journey into areas that other Christian outreach workers avoid.

I try to assist them in a number of roles, none of which takes much time or skill, but enable me to show solidarity , albeit in small ways, with fellow believers enduring life in v.difficult places.

Open Doors contains the best and the toughest Christians in my opinion, true activists not dreamers and pontificators. I salute them.

15 May 2014 at 22:08  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Exactly IanCad. When prayer can boil a kettle, let this man know. He'll sign up to it.

15 May 2014 at 22:23  
Blogger Shadrach said...

A moving video.
The ABC is not only over the CofE but the Anglican Church Worldwide.
This accounts for his involvement in this situation.

The church in Africa and indeed in many other parts of the World are growing and performing significantly better than the church in the UK.

I wonder to whom his message is directed? There are sparse numbers of Christians in the UK who can pray effectively, be concerned or give practical help.

If the ABC would only take the CofE to task and clear out the woolly wets who are holding the church back from effective growth and commitment to the Lord Jesus Christ, then we might begin to see a formidable number of Christians once again in this country capable of helping in situations like this.

In other words ABC, get your own house in order.

15 May 2014 at 23:09  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

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16 May 2014 at 00:39  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


Priorities ladies and gentlemen, priorities.

There is an assumption built into this comment: "Lack if comment equals Lack of concern." The actual equation is "Lack of comment equals nothing useful to say." I don't feel any particular need to declaim "This is terrible." We know it's terrible. It doesn't need to be said.


16 May 2014 at 00:41  
Blogger Happy Jack said...

Happy Jack says prayer and action are not mutually exclusive.

What chance action without God's support?

What chance prayer without action where God calls for it?

And sometimes all we have is prayer.

16 May 2014 at 00:47  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Two points of a factual nature to add. First, this is not happening in South Sudan but in Sudan, or the Republic of Sudan. For three years now they have been separate countries. South Sudan, with a mainly (or wholly) Christian population, was split off from Sudan precisely to protect the Christians from Muslim oppression – in the same way that, seventy years ago, Lebanon was split off from Syria for the same reason.

Second, from what CNN is reporting, the woman was accused of apostasy and handed over the police on the initiative of her own brother.

And yet, after this further exposure of the shameful depths to which a family can sink in the name of Islam, the ridiculous and hypocritical word “Islamophobe” has still not been fed into the shredder.

16 May 2014 at 03:00  
Blogger Ivan said...

Islam is all about regulating the possession of women, lands, children and slaves. Its a Darwinian machine for the propagation of oppression and superstition. The alledged spirituality is mainly a distraction. That some Muslims themselves fall for the spirituality angle, is neither here nor there since there are fools in every age. Jesus Christ gave only one criteria to judge the provenance of these things: by their fruits will ye know them . The fruits of Islam are bitter indeed. The bloodbaths and enslavement that this murderous cult has repeatedly plunged whole nations, and peoples ever since it first emerged from Edom is testament to the simplicity and effectiveness of the Hobbesian mechanism at work: the type of relentless, cruel perfection that species of ants have evolved.

16 May 2014 at 05:13  
Blogger Len said...

As Carl says "Lack of comment equals nothing useful to say."

What can one say or do about the appalling slaughter of men women and children? One can point to' religion' as the cause but this is clearly not the only cause.Wars and atrocities are nothing new as I believe Stalin killed more people than Hitler?.
There is something inherently wrong in man and until this is recognized and the solution realized we will continue to repeat the tragedies of history.
Welby is right in the respect that the solution to the inherent cruelty and depravity of man is not within the hands of man but entirely in the Hands of God if we could but recognize it.

16 May 2014 at 10:00  
Blogger Phil Roberts said...

Welby has in effect said "over to you God" we can do nothing. It is the equivalent of washing our hand of the situation.

The Sudanese and Nigerian Churches have told the Anglican Church what we can do that would help them.

That is condemn homosexuality in society and especially inside the Church.

Do we do anything? Answer No

So do we really care as fellow Anglicans? Answer No

Why should God listen to your prayers Welby?

As leader of the Church do you love him and keep his commandments?

You are as guilty as those who pulled the trigger.

Are they real tears of crocodile tears?

If they are real do what your fellow Church leaders ask of you.

Not what is easy and demands no sacrifice.



16 May 2014 at 14:02  
Blogger Len said...

Western Culture and the Christian Church has become a focal point for all that Islam sees as corruption.
As Phil Roberts says the Christians Africa(and worldwide) need our support and we can do this through aid agencies but even more so by cleaning up our Churches and throwing out all the corruption which has been allowed to accumulate there.
It really is time for Judgement to start in the House of God.It is no good wringing our hands and empathizing with' the suffering Church'... drastic action is needed now.
It would really be better to have no Church at all rather than a corrupt one..

16 May 2014 at 16:59  

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