Tuesday, June 24, 2014

Israel attacks Syria – an inconvenient truth

It would appear that the Israeli Air Force launched retaliatory attacks across the Syrian border following the death of a 15-year-old Israeli citizen called... Mohammed.

Curious thing for the tool of an oppressive, racist and apartheid state to do, is it not?

Mohammed lived in the Arab village of Arraba in the lower Galilee. Doubtless the BBC, which had a big map of the "Israeli-occupied" Golan Heights to illustrate its coverage, and the Guardian, amongst others, will get round to explaining this little incongruity in due course.


Blogger Ivan said...

Even more curious is that the retaliation appears to have targeted Syrian Army positions holed up against the ISIS.


Too many curiosities, the mind boggles.

25 June 2014 at 07:19  
Blogger Rasher Bacon said...

Ivan - Those capitals are priceless


That's what we call a holiday! Also, if his own mother is described as metaphorically malodorous, surely being a traitor to her is a Good Thing? Very confusing. The writer is obviously a bit cross.

His Grace is right - this will be an interesting one to watch the BBC cover. All the same, it's always possible for the state of Israel, just like our own, to do wrong.

25 June 2014 at 09:34  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Perhaps this was simply a matter of protecting the borders and Israeli citizens ?

Living here at this time in the UK it is all too easy for us too forget that the basic purpose and duty of a nation, the Nation State, is to protect its territory, and therefore its borders, plus of course, its own citizens, regardless of ethnicity or religious affiliation.

If these military actions conflict with certain ideas of the left, that points to the faulty nature of their ideas, may I suggest ?

25 June 2014 at 09:51  
Blogger Ivan said...

Rasher Bacon, its a perspective. I read Arab reports with my Pravda glasses on. Now I find that I have to do same with any news from the Israelis.

Another curiosity that proved deadly to the boy, is that he was on a truck with his father, who supplies the Israel posts with water. Rather reckless of the father.


25 June 2014 at 09:53  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

The presence of a Hezbollah unit alongside the Syrian government troops defending Quneitra would explain two things: who it was that launched the rocket attack from the Syrian side of the border that killed an Israeli civilian, and why Israel had a clear military need to strike back, in addition to lending tactical support to the U.S.-backed rebels operating in that area.

Debka File reported at the time: Israel struck nine Syrian targets in response to boy’s death, and as a boost for the rebel bid for Quneitra

25 June 2014 at 10:08  
Blogger Len said...

It would seem that the life of an Arab is more respected in Israel than some Arab states.
It may be(as David Hussell suggests) that Israel was protecting its borders (are they still allowed to do that?)but if I were an Arab in Syria or Iraq or anywhere where the Jihadists were liable to break out and to begin 'religious cleansing' I know where I would rather be... Israel every time!.
(Whenever I try to spell check jihadists it comes out 'sadists.'perhaps my computer know best?.)

25 June 2014 at 10:19  
Blogger Jay Bee said...


Israel was protecting its borders (are they still allowed to do that?)

They are. We aren't.
They would anyway. National survival.
We won't. National suicide.

25 June 2014 at 10:37  
Blogger Athanasius said...

It is, indeed, a curious thing for the Israeli government to do, especially since, had he lived, citizen or not, young Mohammed would have been subject to something like 30 "Jim Crow" style laws such as the 2011 Admission Committees Law which makes it legal to refuse Arab citizens residency on the basis of the "social fabric of the community". Should he have held land, it would be subject to confiscation and "housing licences". At school, the education laws would have made it impossible for him to learn Palestinian history or literature. If he made it to university, he would be one of the 7.9% of Israeli students who are Arab and even if he graduated it would be only to earn (as most Arab citizens of Israel) one third of the income of Jewish citizens. Of course, one could assume that Arabs earn what they are worth, in which case one should then go on to wonder why the Israeli state is using the death of one such worthless individual to justify attacking an entire country of them. It's a puzzle, isn't it?

25 June 2014 at 11:12  
Blogger Len said...

And his fate in Syria or Iraq if he was of the 'wrong' religion?

25 June 2014 at 11:16  
Blogger Ariadne said...

Athanasius is certainly sold on the Arab fantasia. And that is all it is. A deadly one.

The past year has seen a dramatic increase in Arab Christians enlisting in the Israeli army, doubling the number of each of the preceding three years — a sign, say some, of splintering loyalties among Israel's Palestinian population

Jewish Israelis are compelled to make themselves available to Israel’s military, but the obligation has never been applied to the 20 percent of Israeli citizens who identify as Palestinian, and are sometimes called Israeli Arabs. As descendants of the people that Jewish armies fought and defeated to create the state of Israel in 1948–but, who, unlike the 700,000 who fled or were forced out of their homes, were permitted to stay—young Palestinians living Israel were never expected to carry arms to defend it.


From Time which used to deal fairly with Israel but hasn't done so for a very long time.

25 June 2014 at 11:39  
Blogger Ivan said...


It makes sense for the Israelis not to train the Palestinians who would be likely to use the same arms against them. Its certainly not a case of the Palestinians enjoying the high life. If my loyalties were to Palestine why would I fight for the Israelis?

25 June 2014 at 11:47  
Blogger Ariadne said...

I'm not sure when this was written but apart from the pernicious Sabeel and the equally pernicious EAPPI Arab Israelis do better now.


The Druze should not be forgotten.

25 June 2014 at 11:52  
Blogger Ariadne said...

Ivan, even the worst of the Arabs for whom Israel is responsible, like the MK Zoabi, do better in Israel than in almost any Arab country.

The Druze, Beduin and other Arabs are volunteers to the IDF.

Also the non-citizen Muslim population of Jerusalem is showing in polls that it does not want to move to PA rule.

It would be a fascinating picture if not located on the edge of a volcano that is not of Israel's making.

25 June 2014 at 11:57  
Blogger Ivan said...

Ariadne, whether they do better or worse is not the point. They don't want to fight for the Israelis and therefore it makes sense not to train them.

25 June 2014 at 12:01  
Blogger Nick said...

One wonders how Corrigan would have explained this if he were still around on this blog

25 June 2014 at 12:16  
Blogger Ivan said...

Don't worry I'm his Doppelganger.

25 June 2014 at 12:18  
Blogger Sister Tiberia said...

What happened to Corrigan? Haven't seen him in ages

25 June 2014 at 12:31  
Blogger Hannah said...

Israel is of course a liberal democracy under siege & has every right to defend herself. I bet if it ever came to it, Arab Israelis would vote overwhelmingly to live in Israel, rather than return back to their own lands of Gaza, Iran, Saudi, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt...

25 June 2014 at 12:52  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

one should then go on to wonder why the Israeli state is using the death of one such worthless individual to justify attacking an entire country of them. It's a puzzle, isn't it?

Only if one is anti-Semitic dupe for Islam:
there are so many holes in the tripe you offered, there's nowhere to hold the vinegar.

Three Israeli kids get kidnapped and we hear nothing. Nothing either about the 'palestinians' dancing in the street - they don't even report rocket attacks anymore because they're as common as flies on dung - oh! did someone say they come in from Gaza - the little tinkers aren't they pesky little blighters.

Palestine history? you mean since Arafat invented the PLO and 'Palestine' after Jordan booted him and his band of murderers out to bomb airplanes, athletes and old Jews in wheelchairs?

Comeback when you've done a little hiotroical research yourself.

25 June 2014 at 13:06  
Blogger Ivan said...

Dreadnaught, I see you are lying again. Good work my friend.

25 June 2014 at 13:14  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Corrigan is probably busy praying for Carl's hate festering anti Christian soul after hearing him renounce Catholics with unabashed hatred and all of their works and ways.
Gosh,that was a surprise LOL

25 June 2014 at 13:17  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Corrigan stomped off the weblog several months ago. He got crosswise with our host over something and decided to leave. Don't know what it was about. But our host did say Corrigan demanded return of the money he gave for upgrading the website.


25 June 2014 at 13:40  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

You have to love these threads about Israel. An Arab boy gets killed by Arabs and within ten posts we are discussing the treatment of Arabs by ... Israelis.



25 June 2014 at 13:44  
Blogger David Kavanagh said...

Yeah, well if there is a bit of news out of the middle east the BBC/Guardian always try and portray Israel in the worst possible light; even when it is Israel striking back on behalf of its Arab citizens. Which reminds me Athanasius, how's the rest of the middle east doing for human rights? Isn't Israel the only place in the region that protects minorities? Christians, gays and the Arabs? But if Israel is so bad the Arabs living in Israel could always take their chances with Hamas and go to gaza. Or why not Saudi? Heavenly havens for them, no?

25 June 2014 at 14:11  
Blogger David Hussell said...

David Kavanagh @ 14.11

Quite !

It continues to amaze me how Israel attracts so much criticism, yet it is as many here say, it is the only democratic country in the region and one which protects minorities including gays, Christians, Arabs and what have you. Whilst elsewhere in the ME minorities suffer, sometimes even unto death.
No one claims that Israel, like any other State, especially one that is effectively on a permanent semi-war footing, is perfect. Moreover, being run by human beings, and politicians to boot, it is far from perfect, but the contrast between inside and outside its borders is stark. But how can the blind be encouraged to see the wider picture, that's the

25 June 2014 at 14:29  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...


Dreadnaught, I see you are lying again. Good work my friend.

Obviously got something on yer mind there fella -or is that it? BTW don't assume my friendship you sniping arsewipe!

25 June 2014 at 15:36  
Blogger Ivan said...


It was wrong to call a tourette afflicted idiot, a liar, I should have instead alluded to your invincible ignorance. I've always assumed, that the format here precludes any sort of small beer alliances. Lee Van Cleef is my copilot through the maze.


Its every man for himself.

But back to what set me off:

Three Israeli kids get kidnapped and we hear nothing.
Where have you been? None other than our very own Hannah, assured us some days ago that should even a hair of these kids get ruffled the Palestinians will pay dearly. The actual language was much more colourful and set me thinking about what (the resident) Dr Johnny wrote about Semites returning to type. Where else have I heard language like that? Oh yes, when Hamas in the 90s ranted about "opening the Gates of Hell" and so on. Its good to see brothers sharing the same language again. Brings tears to my eyes really, but I may need some for the 500 or so Palis in Israeli hands. The whole of the West Bank was shut down for 11 days, and you haven't heard a thing? Makes me wonder if you are really the type who should be doing the hasbarat.

'palestinians' dancing in the street
The hijabi bibis may have learnt a thing or two, after the video showing two or three of them shaking their arses, became a permanent fixture on the Israeli propaganda circuit - look how they shook their rumps at the WTC - even though they didn't know where it was. I have little doubt given a few more years of retelling and larding, it may even make it to the civics classes as a prime example of man's inhumanity to man.

Palestine history? you mean since Arafat invented the PLO... The Palestinians rather inconveniently owned the land they were driven away from. Hasbara accountants use the sneaky device of excluding the commons - playgrounds, fairgrounds etc in claiming that Palestinians owned no land, but even with all that sneakiness, the Palestinians owned 60 to 80% of all the productive land in Palestine. They had far greater claim to that land than some fellows born in Lublin or Cracow.
See any British report of the 30s or 40s, or are these men liars too?

Thanks for playing friend, its about midnight here. I'll pack in with a silent invocation to St Corrigan.

25 June 2014 at 16:52  
Blogger John Wrake said...

Your Grace,

Would you care to comment on the closing down of the U.K. Column Live News broadcast at 1.00p.m. today by the quango set up to control use of porn sites by children, which is supposed to exclude actions against newspapers?

Who has U.K.Column frightened?

John Wrake

25 June 2014 at 16:57  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

carl jacobs

The Group F matches are beginning in a few moments. The way things stand, Iran seem to have a better chance than Nigeria of getting through to the next round. But if anything should happen to put the Iranians on the next plane back to Tehran, how long will it be before someone starts putting the blame on the International Zionist Conspiracy?

25 June 2014 at 17:00  
Blogger Hannah said...

Hi Ivan,

I was quoting an Israeli Minister. But yes of course terrorists, who've committed an act of, well, terrorism, should be dealt with in the most severe possible way. You disagree? If it were the Indian government facing such an issue, would you expect them to sit on their backs and let the terrorists tummy tickle you? Please do tell.

25 June 2014 at 17:38  
Blogger Ariadne said...

Palestinians didn't own the land at all. It was sold to Jews by the effendis, absentee landlords in the main, who employed itinerant Arab labourers. These effendis also charged far above the market price for the land and threatened other Arabs with death for selling land to Jews. The landless peasants have done rather well out of their fictions. What's a lot less forgivable in their genocidal intent towards Jews.

And in fact, as indicated above Palestinians weren't Palestinians until the PLO created them.

25 June 2014 at 18:50  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

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25 June 2014 at 20:50  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Sorry Ivan, I was wrong, and I over estimated you; you are not just an arsewipe: your'e an ignorant, double-flush anti-semitic-arswipe.

Have a gruesome nightmare now. Nighty- Night

25 June 2014 20:50

25 June 2014 at 21:00  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Ariadne @ 18.50

Although no expert on the history of the patterns of land ownerships in Israel, I understand that the system of absentee landlords, tenants and day labourers was prevalent in Biblical, NT times. At least one NT parable touches upon that system of land tenure and agricultural production.

25 June 2014 at 21:20  
Blogger Ivan said...

Hannah, I take it that I interpreted the minister correctly.

Ariadne, this bullshit about the land being owned by effendis or Sultan Murad II, (who didn't even want to sell what he owned) with the Palestinians moving in them as spectral dervishes is effectively dealt with in the pages of the British Survey here:


One story in particular, about the oranges of Jaffa (lately turned sour) is worth reading


Dreadnaught, you seem to be at a loss for words. Hehe.

26 June 2014 at 05:37  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Ivan the Troublesome

As far as you are concerned sure, except for one - TROLL!

26 June 2014 at 06:54  
Blogger Ivan said...

Dreadnaught the Unsinkable

TROLL, like in TRON, fits you perfectly given your sci-fi avatar.

26 June 2014 at 07:25  
Blogger Len said...

God is using Israel like a magnet to draw all His enemies into one place so that He can deal with them collectively.
Seems to have attracted one or two on this blog as well.
God Bless Israel and the Jewish people!
Watch this space!..They will list themselves.

26 June 2014 at 10:02  
Blogger Rasher Bacon said...


From where I sit, I can't really come down either side on each land disputes. I quite agree that uprooting orchards is utterly pointless, but I find a marked absence of impartiality and any sort of Christian fairness in your comments. Trial by internet advocacy group is not a method I recognise even in a neighbourhood boundary dispute in the UK, so why should I join you in it here?

Also, your attitude to the 'recklessness of the [lorry driver] father' is pretty horrific. It's of the same wellspring as the 'child-rat' in your original cartoon-like link. You have absolutely no idea why that boy was in that cab, or with his dad, and no conception of the injustice of this sort of collateral damage - just the injustice of the other sort of collateral damage. No chance of take-your-son-to-work day in your kingdom then. Maybe it would be better if the father had died - not such bad press.

I prefer the fewest possible people dying, so most have the opportunity to hear the good news of Jesus Christ and be safe for eternity.

Israel is a nation state forced into existence more by the grim irony of genocide than any Balfour, Montefiore or Herzl. Evil things were done by both sides, from motives which only God can see. It's there now, recognised by the UN, and still capable of doing wrong things on a regular basis, much like our own government, and much like you and me, if we were being forced to make decisions every day.

When Israel arrests a guy from Jews for Jesus they should expect the same criticism from His Grace as His Grace levels at the authorities in the Tony Miano case. When any Arab or Persian utters any desire to wipe Israel off the earth, they should expect the same quality of anger from you, that you level at unjust land grabbing.

I don't get that degree of balance from your comments, sir.

If you're ever able to step back and get a Christian perspective, give me a yell. It's not a pretty picture to look at, as you see your own sins replicated in a situation where they have irreversible effects.

Then, only the gospel can help. Same as it ever was...

26 June 2014 at 10:30  
Blogger Hannah said...

In respect of the land issue, Elder of Ziyon already dealt with this yonks ago -


26 June 2014 at 11:04  
Blogger Ivan said...

Rasher Bacon, fair comment. But I take issue with your idea that my disposition will have any effect on the ground. If it did, I would be more circumspect.

In my defense, I have to say that I no longer believe that lies for whatever reason have brought any kind of peace to the world.

26 June 2014 at 11:20  
Blogger Hannah said...

Well hello Ivan,

If 3 kids had been kidnapped here in the UK by a terrorist organisation, then you can bet Cameron, Clegg et al wouldn't be standing idly by. The same goes with the constant firing of rockets from Gaza into Israel. Israel gave up Gaza and what happened? Hamas turned it into a fundamentalist Islamic hell hole internally and externally does nothing but act and call for the destruction of the Jewish state and the Jewish people. You're a Christian and you support these guys.. what a poor reflection on your judgement :


26 June 2014 at 11:22  
Blogger Ivan said...

Hannah, I don't support any guys. The Gazans are known troublemakers, whom the israelis have been trying to pass on to the Egyptians since the 50s or thereabouts. Given the kind of people they have there, don't you think the Israelis are putting people unnecessarily at risk, by recruiting spies among them. How many among the two thousand that were recently released, were turned? No doubt you will argue that it is out of sheer necessity, its always necessity where the Israelis are concerned. Collaborators have never had an easy time anywhere in the world, and I maintain that the Israeli security establishment who have shown a callous disregard for the well-being of others, most clearly apparent when they used the passports of sundry nationals of other countries, in the their assassinations, will be the least troubled by the deaths. And please spare me any further comments along the lines that that the dead may in fact be innocent, and therefore somehow Ivan must feel queasy. It is a structural property of the conflict, that I can do nothing about. You saw how the Shias in the various cities of Iraq were lined up and shot. What I feel or do not feel can do nothing to save the dead, who are caught in the jaws of a pitiless maze.

26 June 2014 at 12:24  
Blogger Ariadne said...

David @ 25 June 2014 21:20

I don't think much had changed as regards land for centuries. And of course since Israel is civilised and democratic anyone who has title deeds to a property they claim can sue in court and receive the property. But of course forgeries are not acceptable.

Ivan, you are a dope and worse. Palestine Remembered! Do you hate Jews?

26 June 2014 at 18:33  
Blogger Ariadne said...

As for uprooting orchards: it's the annual practice of Arabs to prune their olive trees very drastically and then claim "settlers" cut them down.

Israel is very righteous in caring for and mourning one of its own Arabs.

26 June 2014 at 18:39  
Blogger Ariadne said...

Len, well said. I think you can apply Genesis 12:3 to yourself. In the first part.

26 June 2014 at 18:43  
Blogger Ariadne said...

Ivan, I don't think anyone sane would care to enter your fantasy state.

26 June 2014 at 18:52  
Blogger Ivan said...

Ariadne, your definition of sanity then is to stir a hornet's nest, and blame the bees for stinging.

27 June 2014 at 02:05  
Blogger Ivan said...

your definition of sanity... should read: your idea of sanity...

27 June 2014 at 02:53  

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