Tuesday, June 24, 2014

Tory answer to terrorism is censorship and more surveillance

"British Muslims flock to jihadists' hardline sect," says today's Times. The ISIS recruitment video appears to be working: if you're depressed at the prospect of a tedious life of sex and alcoholism in Britain, come to Iraq or Syria and stone a few homosexuals and prostitutes, or behead the odd infidel. It's fun. In the words of one young British Muslim: "A message to the brothers who have stayed behind. You have to ask yourself what prevents you from joining the ranks of the Mujahideen? What prevents you from obtaining martyrdom? You are going to die anyway."

Try to watch that recruitment video soon (very soon), because the Government is demanding that Google remove it from YouTube. That is the Conservative response to the imminent threat of 400 jihadi youths about to return from their tour of duty in Sunnistan.

You expect this sort of thing from David Cameron. But Liam Fox?

He is in favour of increasing state monitoring powers "to intercept the communications of extremists". Of course, they'll intercept the communications of the rest of us as well, and maybe His Grace will fall within the emerging redefinition of 'extremist', for isn't an extremists simply someone who believes very strongly in something with which you happen to disagree?

Liam Fox is of the view that the people will accept greater levels of surveillance to monitor the ISIS extremists when they return home: "A majority of people will accept that an 'ideological battle' means that the authorities will need greater powers to intercept the communications of extremists," he said, explaining: "They hate us because of who we are. We can't change that. It is our values and our history that they detest more than anything else."

But British values and our national history include freedom of religion and freedom of expression. Jihadi recruitment videos are undoubtedly disturbing and reprehensible, but you don't solve the malignancy with censorship. Indeed, the entire history of religion teaches us that where beliefs are suppressed by the state, they tend to spread underground as believers contend for their faith against the persecution. The antidote to Islamic religio-political extremism is the Judæo-Christian ethic and the values of the Enlightenment. Against malignant totalitarian theocracy you argue for peace, goodness, tolerance and the virtues of liberal democracy.

But Cameron isn't persuaded, and Fox seems to share this Tory strand of authoritarianism. "The whole area of intercept needs to be looked at," he insists. "We have got a real debate, and it is a genuine debate in a democracy, between the libertarians who say the state must not get too powerful and pretty much the rest of us who say the state must protect itself."

So, in order to protect its citizens, the state will restrict their liberties and subject them to increasing levels of surveillance. In this "ideological battle" between libertarianism and authoritarianism, the current Conservative leadership inclines toward the latter.

"It became necessary to destroy the town to save it," said a US soldier when asked to justify a decision by allied commanders to bomb the Vietcong. That quotation has been distorted over the years: "We had to destroy the village in order to save it." Village, town, country - the size of the community is irrelevant: the principle is the same. Regardless of civilian casualties, the enemy must be eradicated. So, to protect freedom of religion, we must restrict it. To guard freedom of speech, we must limit it.

And so the Islamists amongst us modify our values and regress our liberties by a couple of centuries. Therein lies their victory.


Blogger The Explorer said...

On the positive side, at least it is admitted by the authorities that there is a problem to be dealt with.

24 June 2014 at 09:17  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Goodness! So the politicians who open the gates to mass immigration from the sub-continent in the first place (they are still ajar, needless to say) then bewail the fact that they've let in some very nasty people and take the opportunity to restrict freedom for the rest of us! What rattles my stays is when the magic-lanternistas refer to these jihadists as 'British.' In what sense are they British? Do they share our history, culture, values? I think not...though admittedly Henry VIII was keen on a spot of beheading. Seems to me that in highlighting one clear and present danger, the good Dr Fox and Co are ignoring a more fundamental one - themselves. As that French fellow once wrote, 'J'accuse...' Now, back to my boiled egg and soldiers...

24 June 2014 at 09:17  
Blogger JimS said...

Muslims living in Britain, not British Muslims ever.

24 June 2014 at 09:34  
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24 June 2014 at 09:34  
Blogger Roy said...

Well, if you have no firm convictions of your own it is only natural to think that censoring the convictions of others is the solution to any problem.

24 June 2014 at 09:37  
Blogger Roy said...

Blogger JimS said...

Muslims living in Britain, not British Muslims ever.

Although I agree with Mrs Proudie of Barchester who objected to the media and politicians describing the Jihadis as "British" I think you are going too far in implying that Muslims cannot be British. Many Indian troops fought for Britain in the two world wars.

As that was in the days before the partition of the subcontinent into India and Pakistan there were probably large numbers of Muslims among them. They would be much better role models for young Muslims living in Britain than the terrorists of the Middle East are.

24 June 2014 at 09:47  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

Terrorism has been an essential and intrinsic feature of Islam for its entire history. There is nothing that Cameron and his minions can do to change that, any more than Tony Bliar's 'Cool Britannia' was inclusive enough to prevent 7/7.

Once Islam becomes non-violent, it ceases to be Islam, eg Bahai and Amadiyyas who are exterminated as heretics.

We can look forward to a perpetual civil war for as long as Muslims remain in Britain, which they refer to as 'Dar al-Harb' - the domain of war.

24 June 2014 at 10:07  
Blogger I Moore said...

Jihadists, Scottish nationalists, the EU, multicultural tribalism, all have the same source, the British political establishment. It is the retreat of the British political establishment that has given room for this fracturing of our country and giving room for foreign ideologies. The only narrative we have had from the political class for the last 40 years is the EU, and that is essentially one of defeat, one of being too feeble to run our own affairs.

If we want to defeat more than the symptom of the Jihadists then we need to rebuild a self confident nation again, something that offers us more than managed decline.

24 June 2014 at 10:16  
Blogger John Wrake said...

Roy at 09.47:

You are making a fundamental mistake in your assessment of Indian troops in World War II.

Indeed, there were large numbers of Muslims in the Indian Army and there were Muslim soldiers in the British Army post World War II, especially in Malaya, where I served with some of them.

They were not British, any more than the Hindu soldiers were British, but they fought in accordance with British rules and standards of behaviour. They were all volunteers and accepted the terms of service offered and the close relationship they enjoyed with their British officers has survived the years in many cases.

Do not confuse the loyalty of soldiers like the Gurkhas for their adopted country, or the loyalty of Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus in the British Indian Army to their officers and the oaths they had sworn, with the loyalty of Muslims for the tenets of their religion and the actions it enjoins. Just because they live here or were born here does not automatically change a culture and mind-set which remains totally foreign.

John Wrake.

24 June 2014 at 10:27  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

The whole exercise is purely cosmetic. Cameron can do nothing effective. If he really wanted to censor incitement to jihad, then he would ban the Koran, which is the fons et origo of all Islamic violence.

24 June 2014 at 10:29  
Blogger IanCad said...

Well! - That didn't take long, did it? The video has gone.

One victory for censorship.
One loss for liberty.

We've already lost the battle.
Safety, safety, safety.
The bleat of the authoritarian throughout history.

We are a nation of utter wimps.

24 June 2014 at 10:30  
Blogger bluedog said...

Well said, Your Grace.

Once again the political class show they have not the slightest idea of how to win an ideological battle. But then in the Parliament there is no need to do so because all three parliamentary parties share virtually identical ideological beliefs. Hence Liam Fox's confusion when confronted by a real difference such as the ideology of Islam, or perish the thought, Ukip.

The only way to deal with Islam is to expose it for what it is, a criminal manifesto.

Censorship greatly benefits Islam.

As for, 'Of course, they'll intercept the communications of the rest of us as well, and maybe His Grace will fall within the emerging redefinition of 'extremist'. Without question. Equality of censorship demands that all radical clerics in their cyber mosques or cathedrals be similarly muzzled.

24 June 2014 at 10:31  
Blogger Jay Bee said...

"We have got a real debate, and it is a genuine debate in a democracy, between the libertarians who say the state must not get too powerful and pretty much the rest of us who say the state must protect itself."

Note the priority in the above phrase. Protection of the state. Protection of the security apparatus. Protection of the political class. How about protecting the citizens they are supposed to serve?

I don't like the way things are shaping up at all. The authorities have openly admitted that they can't track all the terrorists. What should have been whispered in the dark corners of Whitehall has been shouted from the rooftops! Returning Jihadis will be delighted to receive intelligence via the MSM that there is a good chance they will be able to plot without detection and strike before arrest. We need to ask ourselves why they are being tipped off in this way. Particularly as the counter-terrorism budget has just been halved. What is the ethnic breakdown of FCO mandarins. Have they been infiltrated by a fifth column? Or is it that a couple of incidents like the recent Belgian shooting might be “convenient.” Nothing too outrageous mind, don't want to overdo it and stampede the sheeple. Just enough to justify ramping up surveillance and restricting freedom.

Each step along the road to tyranny is always justified by necessity. All part of the plan?

24 June 2014 at 10:35  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Bugged telephones, intercepted e-mails, closed circuit television and all the rest of the gadgetry will make it easier for Big Brother to keep the arrests and prosecutions going. How many of these arrests and prosecutions, though, will have jihadists or mujahideen or other Muslim troublemakers as their object, and how many of them will be targeting “islamophobes”?

24 June 2014 at 10:57  
Blogger English Pensioner said...

The authorities admit there will be a problem but there is general opposition to more surveillance. In that we can't throw all the Muslims out of this country, it would be interesting to know what actions, if any, those opposed to increased surveillance might suggest.
I note with this, as with many other suggestions floated by governments covering a range of issues. those who oppose a proposed activity rarely come up with an acceptable viable alternative.
So what should the government do about all these potential terrorists returning to this country?

24 June 2014 at 10:58  
Blogger Jay Bee said...


Revoke the citizenship of Jihadis they know about, render them stateless and preferably stranded abroad. Those that they have to hunt for inside the UK and the ones they stop at the border should be deported to face war crimes trials in the country they were fighting in. Otherwise held until international war crimes trials can be established.

24 June 2014 at 11:16  
Blogger Len said...

How long before the authorities start rounding up people they perceive as a threat to National Security?.
Bet it won`t just be radicalized Muslims?.

24 June 2014 at 11:19  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Dear English Pensioner, you raise a valid point. My suggestion would be that any mosque found preaching jihad in this country is automatically closed and demolished; Jay Bee's suggestion on rendering jihadis stateless is a good one; restore treason as a capital crime; stop all further immigration from muslim countries. One could also legislate that all preaching must be done in English so that it can be understood by all, though enforcing it would be tricky I admit. There, that should put lots of cats amongst pigeons I think...

24 June 2014 at 11:25  
Blogger Len said...

Since we in the UK started down the path to become a secular Nation we seem to be encountering more and more problems.
It seems that we have a lot less freedom that a we had when we were a Christian Nation.Perhaps a Democracy can only function with a Christian ethos?.
We are having more and more laws and less and less freedom as individuals and groups as our Secular Government tries to combat the rising tide of corruption and lawlessness and new laws are churned out almost daily it seems by the EU.
We have an enemy' within the Gates' in more than one aspect.

24 June 2014 at 11:32  
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24 June 2014 at 11:35  
Blogger Jay Bee said...


Voices are already being heard on the BBC suggesting that any crackdown on Islamic extremism should be counterbalanced by sanctions against fundamentalist Christianity.

The most recent was an Anglican Bishop no less. At first I thought he was talking about the Westboro Baptists or Koran burners but it soon emerged that his quarry was evangelical Christians of all denominations. Apparently we take the Bible too literally.

24 June 2014 at 11:45  
Blogger Busy Mum said...

Of course, Pickles will just have to say 'No' to the London mega-mosque now....

24 June 2014 at 11:46  
Blogger Busy Mum said...

Len and Jay Bee - there is a proposal for schools to challenge the extremist views of parents,including homophobia etc. In other words, an education system pioneered by the C of E will now reject anybody who lives according to the Bible.

24 June 2014 at 11:49  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Busy Mum

For schools to "challenge" what parents teach their children could be quite sinister, depending on what they mean by "challenge". Have they said what they plan to do, exactly, if a mother or father carries on teaching their children that it's better not to be this or that?

24 June 2014 at 12:30  
Blogger David Hussell said...

The rejection of Christianity as the background cultural theme music from say, the 60s onwards, as opposed to an active belief by a majority, and the erosion of democracy and freedom of speech, are happening in roughly the same half century, with the first proceeding the second. Although being contemporary is far being from a proof of causality, the linkage is clear, if not totally direct.

We are paying a very high price here, as greater control will alter everything, and that can simply not be accepted. If I cannot live anymore in a culturally Christian country I want to live in a free, democratic one, where the best ideas, including faiths, can respectfully battle it out in the market place of ideas. Without freedom, life could get very bleak, innovation and energy will drain away, and society will stultify, ultimately. I ask myself what did my father and grandfather risk their lives fighting for, in two world wars, if not for their families to live in freedom ?

Simplifying, because of unlimited, undiscriminating, immigration imposed on us by the political centre and left, we find ourselves harbouring those who hate us, our systems of governance and other faiths, not just the indigenous one, Christianity. These incompetent politicians, who are about to betray our national political heritage, freedom of speech, argue that the answer is more control of over 60 million of us. Down the drain goes a 1000 year struggle for self-expression, free speech, freedom of faith and political beliefs - all utterly appalling, and totally unacceptable ! There is nothing conservative about this pretend Conservative Party.

Forcing myself to be positive, this can only serve to define Ukip even more distinctly as a contrast to the craven, destroyers of our nation and its democracy, which rests upon freedom of speech and faith. As a Christian I do not expect an utopia, far from it, but one does expect a reasonable degree of competence and prescience. But the establishment parties have utterly failed to nurture this country, and are instead actively undermining some of its greatest achievements. This cultural vandalism must be resisted.

24 June 2014 at 12:36  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Bravo David Hussell, bravo! Hobnobs heading your way...

24 June 2014 at 12:45  
Blogger Philip said...

Isn't Dr Fox advocating the surveillance and monitoring of extremists? And that should be done to enable the state to fulfil its role to protect us? But the problem is of course, this monitoring of extremists can become to monitoring and surveillance of us all, and the State's definition of "extremism" can be extended to include anything that isn't in agreement with the lib-left authoritarian State's prescribed values.

But I absolutely agree that "the antidote to Islamic religio-political extremism" is the assertion of Judæo-Christian values. The marginalisation of Christianity and rejection of morality and a clear sense of right and wrong informed by Christianity leaves a vacuum ready to be filled by another religion.

Of course multiculturalism which effectively promotes everything except Christianity (which must be marginalised) has had a role in allowing extremist Islam to grow.

24 June 2014 at 12:48  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Philip @ 12.48

I agree with Cranmer and yourself. The antidote is a strong assertion of the foundations of our society, which are its Judaeo-Christian roots and the subsequent ideas of The Enlightenment, the two sets of values having managed to co-exist reasonably peaceably for several centuries. Why should those outstanding cultural achievements be forced to retreat ?

Those extremists of the The Enlightenment, the militant atheists and Humanists, who claim that science and faith for example are incompatible, quite erroneously, and that therefore Christianity must be swept out of the public square, which it largely contributed to laying out, may now, eventually, see that they have been attacking an ally not an enemy - they are rather slow to catch up with the times I think !

24 June 2014 at 13:20  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

Removing 'jihad porn' from Youtube will have no effect whatsoever, as the distribution network will just revert to its pre-broadband retail outlets, namely DVDs in mosques.

24 June 2014 at 13:30  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...

Busy Mum has raised ther question of schools "challenging" what children are taught at home by "extremist" parents.

What are schools to do when the parents "challenge" back? Johnny Rottenborough posted this comment yesterday on the "Feebleness of the MCB" thread:

Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ bluedog (11:20)—Teaching Christian belief to secondary school Muslim youth could earn you a posthumous VC

You’re not far off the mark: ‘Four men launched a horrific attack on a teacher in which they slashed his face and left him with a fractured skull because they did not approve of him teaching religion to Muslim girls.’—Daily Mail

24 June 2014 at 13:44  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Against malignant totalitarian theocracy you argue for peace, goodness, tolerance and the virtues of liberal democracy

When you’re afflicted with a malignancy, there’s no point being nice to it; you have to get rid of it before it gets rid of you. For 60 years now, we’ve tried being nice to Islam and it has got us nowhere. In fact, scrub ‘nowhere’—the sacrifices we have to make to accommodate Islam are taking us backwards. Islam has made Britain a worse place to live and, unless we remove the tumour, it will eradicate Judæo-Christian ethics and plunge the Enlightenment into darkness. The fall of European civilization would be Islam’s greatest prize. Thanks to the mincing liberals, the prize is currently falling straight into Islam’s lap.

24 June 2014 at 13:53  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

All too much for the Inspector, who has fled to the ethnically underprivileged area of Cumbria. That is to say, there aren't any muslims, let alone mosques here.

Anyway, now to the good news. There has been a marked reduction in the wearing of ugly beards by ugly muslim men in Gloucester. That's encouraging stuff, you know.

Let us pray that these battle hardened jihadists have a bloody rough time from their people when they return. We can but hope that these extremists are given short shrift, whatever that means, if they try to recruit further...

And so endeth the news from this really beautiful part of the realm. Now, gentlemen, if you will excuse a fellow, he has some serious relaxing to do.

God save the Queen and England !

24 June 2014 at 13:56  
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24 June 2014 at 13:56  
Blogger Busy Mum said...

Uncle Brian - exactly.
I picked this up on the daily school news bulletin I get into my inbox, which extracts the main articles re education from across the press. The main article is in the Daily Telegraph. What I find alarming is that the mainstream belief that sodomy is wrong has been demonised to the extent that within under half a century, holding that core Christian belief is no longer a 'British value' but is now labelled as an 'extremist' position. The clue is in the word 'value'. The minute objective British virtues were replaced by subjective British values, the downward spiral into a free-for-all was inevitable.

24 June 2014 at 13:56  
Blogger Busy Mum said...

...and yes, I noticed Johnny R's comment re the posthumous VC. I thought that summed up the situation in a nutshell.
If I challenge back, I am an Islamophobe, a homophobe, an intolerant, fundamentalist Christian bigot.
If muslim parents challenge back, they are being faithful and devout, worthy of respect.

At what point does one stop banging one's head against the brick wall and start knocking it down?

24 June 2014 at 14:04  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

In 1Samuel we readcof High Priest Eli who rebuked his wicked sons Hophni and Phineas overctheir fornicationband blasphemy in God's temple.

But we read 'But they did not listen, for God had already decided to slay them.'

That's where we are now. Every poster on this blog knows that our so called leaders are not going to take effective action against the threat that our noble ancestors resisted becausecthey thought Christendom was worth saving.

This lot can't think its worth saving since they've been working to destroy it since about 1963.

24 June 2014 at 14:12  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Interesting post YG

The Middle Eastern mindset differs from that of the western mindset in many ways, from their hot temperament that is easily roused to argument and violence to their need for strong authoritarian leadership. They are followers and programmed with the Quran not to question or think for themselves via the Imams, community leaders, sheiks. Etc.. They are not particularly freedom loving peoples. We need to understand this but we don't. We think everyone is like us and must desire freedom. Therein lies one of the culture clashes. These videos stir the Middle Eastern senses to follow a strong leader even though he's an extremist nutter to us to a lot of young Asian men it means what they were born to do.

There was relative peace and prosperity in these middle eastern countries for 40 to 50 years, Saddam kept order and control in Iraq but the Yanks wanted rid of him as he was on the verge of starting to sell the oil using the Euro instead of the Dollar which would have been a great loss for the U.S. He wasn't playing ball the way the Americans wanted and was being very difficult. So they pushed him and manipulated him into invading Kuwait and when that didn't work they made up the story of WMD with Teflon Tony standing shoulder to shoulder without question.

Gadafi also had relative peace and prosperity in Libya by keeping control of fractious groups and terrorists, he was planning to use his gold backed Dinar to sell oil and do business instead of the Dollar. He also had socialist ideas for the people of Chad.
Mubarak in Egypt kept order and control and there was relative peace and prosperity for over 40 years.
Syria the cradle of Christianity under the control of Assad's father then Assad was civilised,cultured and had a rosy future with the discovery of oil and gas off its coast, which upset the Saudis as it is in competition and of course there is the path of the Caspian oil and gas pipeline route which is causing so many arguments.

Tunisia there was also relative peace until it was used to sow the seeds of unrest and ignite the turmoil of the Arab spring.

So yes, I tend to agree with Liam Fox, get rid of the lot of those videos in this country and make a law to prosccute anyone found making them here. They incite to war and to glorifying Islam and all its barbarity. They don't enrich our lives but give ideas to those at a loose end and who need to adapt to integrate and assimilate properly. For Muslims to respect us we need a strong leadership in Downing street to lay down the laws, British laws and Christian backed laws to protect our freedoms and OUR CULTURE. To stamp out anything Islamic. Those who don't like it will leave.

24 June 2014 at 14:14  
Blogger Drastic Plastic said...

The politicians bring in masses of people none of us want (Somali goatherds, etc). When it goes bad, rather than expel them, they propose to put *us* in chains?

The conditions for some nationalist socialism must be almost perfect now. And getting more so every day.

24 June 2014 at 14:15  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

The 'Enlightenment' was a parasitic growth upon Christianity. When it kills the host it will die too. And tyranny will supervene.

I believe that God is allowing this jihadism before our eyes to teach us how bitter and ruinous our rejection of His beloved son Jesus is for us as civilisation, nation and individuals.

Its a merciful warning.

24 June 2014 at 14:22  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Removal of the videos is a mistake. Here one is looking from the muslim immigrant's view who only wants to live and thrive in this country. We must ask ourselves how many of these types would like to be rid of the control the evil prophet has on their lives...

Let the worst excesses of Islam be on show for all to see, and for nearly all to reject...

24 June 2014 at 14:25  
Blogger Busy Mum said...

Drastic plastic said "the conditions for some nationalist socialism must be almost perfect now. And getting more so every day." When even lovely English ladies like me:) have got fed up with head-banging, yes, the conditions are perfect.

24 June 2014 at 14:28  
Blogger IanCad said...

A most heartening post David Hussell @ 12:36.

There are those who yet cherish our liberties and will not sweep them away when storms begin to blow.

That said, I'm still a Conservative.

24 June 2014 at 14:43  
Blogger Busy Mum said...

But Inspector, you want to "Let the worst excesses of Islam be on show for all to see, and for nearly all to reject..." yet everybody saw Lee Rigby; you can't get much worse than that and still people are afraid/unwilling to reject it, many people even embracing it in its sugar-coated form as an antidote to Western decadence. How many more excesses will there have to be until people open their eyes? By the time sufficient people have rejected it in their hearts, their brains will be telling them that the price for rejection will be their lives.

I agree with Rambling Steve - this is the price we are having to pay for our rejection of Jesus. And as 'much will be required of him to whom much is given', the UK will pay heavily for despising the grand Christian heritage which it is willfully throwing away and failing to safeguard for its children; a huge betrayal of trust for which God will call us to account. When even an A level history teacher thinks the Bible consists of only the Pentateuch and has never even heard of Wycliffe or Latimer, woe is me, woe is us! Especially when she then marked my daughter's essay down for a 'misunderstanding of the Reformation' - truly we have blind leaders of the blind, and woe be to those who can see.

24 June 2014 at 15:02  
Blogger Father David said...

I'm surprised that someone as old fashioned as that Inspector cove refers to Cumberland and Westmoreland (not forgetting North Lancashire) as "Cumbria"!
He also rejoices in the lack of facial hair being displayed by our Moslem friends in Gloucester when he himself sports enough fluff on his top lip to stuff a cushion with.
Can't see what all the fuzz is about re these misguided Moslems from Britain going overseas to join in the jihad. If they are stupid enough to venture back to Blighty then surely their features are well enough known for Passport Control to apprehend them and then the Fuzz can take appropriate action.
By the way, Inspector I do hope that a chap like you has a jolly good time among the lakes and the mountains of the English Lake District.

24 June 2014 at 15:14  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ IGiO (14:25)—how many of these types would like to be rid of the control the evil prophet has on their lives

At the most, 20 per cent. ‘80 per cent of Muslims actively practised their religion, the highest proportion of those with a religion.’—Daily Telegraph

24 June 2014 at 15:16  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

I wonder whether the Establishment's real reasons for censorship are to prevent kuffars from seeing Islamic incitement, rather than Muslims.

After all, the Muslims are going to get hold of this stuff anyway, through the usual channels among the Umma.

But if kuffars, especially the types of proles who are liable to vote for UKIP, see this Islamic propaganda, then they may come to understand the true nature of Islam and realise what the jihadists have in store for them and their kids. This could lead to a rise in Islamophobia which, as we all know, is the greatest threat to global peace since the Cuban missiles.

24 June 2014 at 15:31  
Blogger Uncle Brian said...


This could lead to a rise in Islamophobia which, as we all know, is the greatest threat to global peace since the Cuban missiles.

Have no fear, Sean! Rescue is on the way! Liam Fox is promising us that State Security will be maintained at all costs, with all the latest bugging equipment etc., precisely so that Islamophobia shall be ruthlessly stamped out.

24 June 2014 at 15:45  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

My dearest Busy Mum, we have here a damnable situation whereby the poor wretches involved, to wit, those obliged to follow Islam need rather more than the one terrible incident involving a brave soldier of the Queen before their inbuilt fear starts to cause cracks.

It is to us that the exploitation of Islam's greatest weakness be best undertaken. Any hold on a man that causes him to literally kill his own brother at apostasy needs but undermining of the foundation which underpins it before the whole rotten structure starts to collapse.

24 June 2014 at 16:40  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...


We can guess this is the case, because 'the faithful' place great store in importing their holy men from their blasted countries of origin. Now, that's got to stop. We have experienced the evil these fellows have brought over with them as it is. No more of them, and indeed, the return of said blighters who are here must happen.

As one advises. Break British Islam from the inside. Stop them topping up the poison from without, and start the phase of disarming...

24 June 2014 at 16:52  
Blogger David Hussell said...


Do enjoy your rest in that most english of English regions, the Lake District. It's a favourite of yours I believe ?

Keep an eye open for any Loch Ness monsters now lurking in the English depths, as rumour has it that a few of them, concerned with being nationalised by "Wee Eck" have sneaked down the waterways at night - jolly astute you know your common or loch side monster !

Have a seriously good rest.

24 June 2014 at 16:58  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Rottenborough old fellow. A 20 / 80 split is what it is right now, and that does not surprise. Just think, we could make that 30 / 70 in maybe three to five years. But we do need continued coverage of 'Islam Today' in the world to accompany. No hiding away videos because they happen to be inconvenient to politicians.

24 June 2014 at 17:00  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Marie 1797
Freedom is a central tenet of Ba'athism.Freedom from western control.

24 June 2014 at 17:01  
Blogger David Hussell said...

His Grace's communicants may wish to know that,

firstly, Meriam Ibrahim has been rearrested at the airport. Let us hope that she is swiftly released.

secondly, that Daniel Hannan has written a cracking, short, punchy article for The Telegraph with a h/line something like, "Why do we stay in the EU when it humiliates us ?" Well done Daniel. Mainstream and cautious types like him are becoming bolder and bolder in their strident criticisms of our continued and disastrous membership of that dysfunctional political empire - following the leadership from Ukip of course !

24 June 2014 at 17:13  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Greetings David. Indeed, very close to the Scottish border here, but no plans to create refugees centres at the occasion of a 'Yes' vote. It's not just in England that politicians are a world away from the people they supposedly represent.

By the way fellows. The Inspector's posts today are courtesy of young Sophie who wants her machine back when she's finished pouring out this man's man's next pint.

Good Lord, England nearly scored. Must try and pay more attention to this futile match currently showing...

24 June 2014 at 17:14  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

In Jan 2007 A report in the Guardian said:

In the survey of 1,003 Muslims by the polling company Populus through internet and telephone questionnaires, nearly 60% said they would prefer to live under British law, while 37% of 16 to 24-year-olds said they would prefer Sharia law, against 17% of those over 55. Eightysix per cent said their religion was the most important thing in their lives.

Nearly a third of 16 to 24-year-olds believed that those converting to another religion should be executed, while less than a fifth of those over 55 believed the same. The survey claimed that British authorities and some Muslim groups have exaggerated the problem of Islamophobia and fuelled a sense of victimhood among some Muslims: 84% said they believed they had been well treated in British society, though only 28% thought the authorities had gone over the top in trying not to offend Muslims.

Less than six months later they were blowing up people in London.

Seven years ago we had this knowledge and nothing has changed - maybe as IantheCad says; not enough of us are dying for the rest to be worrying about.

24 June 2014 at 18:14  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ IGiO (17:00)—we could make that 30 / 70 in maybe three to five years

Pew Global Attitudes asked British Muslims:
● ‘Is Islamic Identity among Muslims in Your Country Growing?’ – 77 per cent said Yes
● ‘Is Growing Islamic Identity Good or Bad?’ – 86 per cent said Good

Bearing in mind the strength of Islamic identity, your 30/70 looks a trifle optimistic. 10/90 is probably more like it.

A First Great Western express has just tooted On Ilkla Moor Baht ‘at as it roared past the webcam on the Dawlish sea wall.

24 June 2014 at 18:17  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Now see here Johnny. We have to operate within the parameters of what can be achieved. Mass repatriation cannot be achieved, even if the Baghdad Car Bombers set up a branch in this Island.

So, what have we left to work with. Well, we can take the sting out of Islam's tail by isolating the thing within these walls, so to speak. We can also imprison the vicious muslim who calls for jihad in an authoritative office, such as imam.

It's going to be a battle of attrition. But from this man's point of view, that may not be a bad situation. The polarising that will inevitably follow should bring an end to secular indifference and a strengthening of our (white) Christian heritage. The British way will eventually win out as it must - it being superior to the Islamic.

24 June 2014 at 19:57  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

To anyone who believes, even optimistically, that mass alien repatriation can be achieved, the Inspector gives you this.

In 1921, a senior British army officer involved in the Anglo-Irish war remarked thus, albeit not verbatim.

"What we need to do to win this cannot be achieved. Not when the world's press looks on". He was alluding to a continuation and expansion of the Black and Tan strategy of burning out IRA suspects families from their homes.

If colonel Bernard Law Montgomery could see that nearly one hundred years ago...

You know the rest.

24 June 2014 at 20:31  
Blogger Inspector General in Ordinary said...

Penny's dropped. The courting of Mary Jane, on Ilkley Moor, and without a hat, of all things !

Reckless stuff in Yorkshire, what !

The appeal of a woman, a young man casts caution to the wind. (Don't tell mum)

24 June 2014 at 20:44  
Blogger bluedog said...

David Hussell @ 17.13 says, 'Mainstream and cautious types like him are becoming bolder and bolder in their strident criticisms of our continued and disastrous membership of that dysfunctional political empire - following the leadership from Ukip of course !'

Events, dear boy, events. But watch out, Ukip, the chief mainstreamer is about to steal Ukip's entire manifesto. If Juncker gets up as President of the European Council, Cameron's promise to renegotiate with the EU is check-mate. The hints have already been dropped by No 10 and you can see the next gambit.

To win the election in 2015, Cameron needs to bring his EU referendum forward so that it is conducted simultaneously with the GE, and he will campaign for Brexit.

Vale Nigel Farage.

The good news would be the subsequent disintegration of the EU. Once Britain breaks the spell of EU political authority, other nations will leave too with Frexit on the cards; freed from the yoke of the Boche once again.

24 June 2014 at 21:53  
Blogger Martin Marprelate said...

The antidote to Islamic religio-political extremism is the Judæo-Christian ethic and the values of the Enlightenment.

Not at all. If that were all that is needed, all the Moslems would be good little humanists by now.

The antidote to Islamic extremism, and to Islam in general is the Gospel. There is a massive religious void in the country and Islam has merely moved into part of it, leaving the rest to tree-huggers and Feng Shui practitioners.

The vastly greater part of Christendom in Britain today is utterly devoid of power (cf. 2 Tim. 3:5). Until that is addressed (cf. 2 Tim. 4:1-2), Islam will continue to thrive and a substantial part of it will be of the militant variety.

24 June 2014 at 23:03  
Blogger TigerO said...

SkyNews interviewed an imam on the evening news (18:00hrs) on Sunday to provide us with the good news that Islam is truly the religion of peace and that the young jihadists are not representatives of their religion. They are the product of a small minority of radicals within islamic society.
Then he went on to say that Western and British foreign policy is the root cause of the problem. Primarily caused by the failure to control the Jews in Israel and return the region to the Palestinians, the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and the indiscriminate murder of Muslim civilians. If we change our foreign policy then peace will be restored.
I heard the same speech from the Michael duo filmed by a witness as they hacked him to death in the street.
This man stands there and says that you change your policy to suit us or we wage war against you but really we are peace loving. These are threats with menace and yet the journo failed to call him on it.

24 June 2014 at 23:17  
Blogger seanrobsville said...

Sharia enforcement in Londonistan.

Muslims smash American's eye for drinking alcohol in their ghetto.

24 June 2014 at 23:19  
Blogger Harry-ca-Nab said...

Well I, a blond Englishman in a business suit, was frisked at B'ham airport whilst 2 women in burqas were waved through by security.

Not only was my privacy invaded but they refuse to profile the "at risk" group.


24 June 2014 at 23:28  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ IGiO (19:57)—It’s our Christian heritage of being nice that has landed us in this godawful mess and further applications of niceness, no matter how copious, will do nothing to help. I’m not clear what ‘isolating Islam within walls’ entails but, given the Muslim birth rate, the walls would regularly have to be demolished and rebuilt further out. At what level of non-Muslim overcrowding will niceness give way to nastiness, I wonder?

@ IGiO (20:31)—No one is suggesting burning Muslims out of their homes. If we ever summon sufficient sense to elect an avowedly anti-Muslim government, even the densest Mohammedan will see the game is up, grab whatever baksheesh is on offer and scarper.

24 June 2014 at 23:35  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Hey Johnny
Anti-Muslim government?
And the biilions of petro-dollars that swirl around the City?

25 June 2014 at 03:49  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Busy Mum

Interesting you mentioned Latimer and Wycliffe since I am currently at Wycliffe Hall Oxford with 90 other C S Lewis students for a week of studycon C S Lewis Christian themes in writing.. More details on my Facebook page (Stephen Hayes)

We are just up the road from where Latimer, Ridley and His Grace paid so dearly for refusing to bow to a corrupt authority.

Time to re-read 'The Last Battle? Tashlan =Chrislam? Lewis was a true prophet indeed.

25 June 2014 at 07:43  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Rambling Steve

Enjoy your week at Wycliffe studying C.S.Lewis. I confess to being a touch envious.

Two questions please. Is it a Summer School, repeated annually perhaps ? Is it for writers, as in authors, or for any and all who appreciate his contribution to Christian "education" and reading ?

If it is of a general nature, and if your course is repeated, I may be interested another year. Next week I am in a far less attractive (to me) place than Wycliffe College, next to the Thames near Tower Bridge, studying at a non-denominational Christian Summer School. London is not my favourite city, at all.

25 June 2014 at 08:04  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Dear David Hussell, you might be interested in the summer school I am running at the Palace in Barchester: in the mornings we explore hobnob recipes from around the world and in the afternoons we get stuck into a Trollope.

25 June 2014 at 08:33  
Blogger Rambling Steve Appleseed said...

Hi David.

No this is a one off and open to anyone. Summer schools of various kinds are run at Wycliffe, I think this is the first entirely on CSL. Heard of it via the Oxford CSL Soc on Facebook. It sold out quickly.

We're looking at Out of the silent planet, Lion witch and wardrobe, Miracles, Problem of Pain and The Great Divorce. A book a day Michael Ward the noted Lewis scholar (and recent Tiber swimmer!) is leading. Last night we had a talk from Walter Hooper whobis just aboutcthe last surviving link with Lewis. And not I fear (see Psalm 90 vs 10) for much longer.

Yes I fear 'The Last Battle' with its 'Cruel Calormenes' conquering Narnia by stealth and treachery may turn out to be prophetic.

I plan to start a C S Lewis society in Hampshire to help get the great man's thoughts out to those who can use them in our doomed but heroic rearguard action against the Madness as England dies in her drunken sleep. Suggest check links from my profile in 6 months if interested.

Better shut up for now, going to hire a hicyvle and see Oxford in the sunshine. May even take a look st the mosque.


25 June 2014 at 08:41  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Rambling Steve,

Thanks for that useful explanation.

Have a fun cycle ride, and enjoy your studies.

25 June 2014 at 08:46  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Bluedog @ 23.53

Like you I expect a political reaction from Cameron "events, dear boy, events" and all that.

Personally, and like most Ukip supporters I care not whether the Conservatives do adopt most of Ukip's policies as long as it takes us out of the growing tyranny of the EU. Most of the party are really, not in it for anything other than the cause of freedom for the UK, restoring us to normal nationhood, self government. Of course there may be a few ego maniacs who allow the party to become more important to them than the country, but that's more a problem with the longstanding establishment parties with their crowds of professional politicians. Nigel really would be happy back in business. We are not interested in building political institutions, we just want our country back - Period as the Americans say.

25 June 2014 at 08:54  
Blogger David Hussell said...

Mrs Proudie,

May I keep an eye open for the HM Post bringing me some tasty Hobnobs ?

25 June 2014 at 08:55  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ IGiO (20:44)—The driver tooted the first six notes of the chorus.

@ Manfarang (03:49)—If we hand our country over to Islam in exchange for a flow of petrodollars that will dry up the moment the oil does, more fool us.

25 June 2014 at 10:31  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Indeed you may dear David, and I can assure my hobnobs are not halal...

25 June 2014 at 10:44  
Blogger bluedog said...

David Hussell @ 08.54, your remarks are made in an excellent 'hostilities only' spirit with which one can sympathise entirely. My post made several assumptions, but there is no doubt that events are crowding in on Cameron, including the Coulson debacle. Scotland next.

One constituency that Cameron is incapable of winning is that of the blue-collar conservatives, where Ukip has been hugely successful as you know. It is for these people that one feels such anxiety. Shafted by Labour, ignored by Cameron and successfully courted by Farage, it will be a tragedy for them to see Ukip go down to a Eurosceptic Cameron. To whom do they turn next?

25 June 2014 at 12:11  
Blogger David Hussell said...

bluedog @ 12.11

What a useful phrase "events are crowding in on Cameron" - very true.

Yes I see your point now, which was a bit below the surface, at least to me, regarding the blue-collar conservatives, and it is one that is very well made.

If they become a forlorn group, leaderless, forgotten, and with all that can flow from that situation, it could turn for the worse, to an extremism which none of us want, including that group itself.

These events and possible events flows from Labour becoming a party for those who work for the Big State, many of which are white collar, forgetting their roots in the working class, and as a matter of historical fact, the WWC; and the Conservatives losing their One Nation, social stance, which coupled with social conservatism, suited many of the working class as well.

25 June 2014 at 13:15  
Blogger Unknown said...

You will not lose any liberty but you may be watched.

25 June 2014 at 14:37  
Blogger John Wrake said...

Your Grace,

Would you care to comment on the closing down of the U.K.Column Live News broadcast at 1.00p.m. today by ATVOD, the quango set up to control the use of porn sites by children, which specifically excludes newspapers from its attentions.

Who has U.K. Column frightened?

John Wrake.

25 June 2014 at 16:51  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Hey Johnny
There is a lot of oil in the Middle East and its not going to dry up soon.

25 June 2014 at 16:57  

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